Gene: 0:14

Hey, this was sir Gean and I wanted to see. How you guys enjoy. Another potential podcast. This one's with yet another dude named Ben named Rob. You're joining in mid-conversation for about 20 minutes to see what you think Enjoy

Dude Named Ben named Rob: 0:35

So you'd hear this thump groan as they pick it up and then they would bounce to the other side and they would keep changing spots, left to right, back and forth. And all that you'd hear is this thump groan, I realized somewhere around rep number 47 that every guy in the gym had gone, Death quiet locked into whatever I was doing curls like and staring in the mirror. So because the ladies were against the back wall and I kind of, snapped out of the, out of this mystical realm they had locked us into. And I looked over and there's another guy doing the same thing, kind of like shaking his head, going, Oh, my God, right, where am I? What am I doing here? And we were both kind of laughing about it, and he looked and he goes, if that wasn't advertisement. I'm not sure what was right. And, we carried on and went on going, but, and that's what I mean by there. There's the uncanny valley creepy zone. We all feel that. And my point is, if you're asking about a one or two second stoop at your ass and you're getting offended. Yeah.

Sir Gene: 1:38

Or one minute.

Dude Named Ben named Rob: 1:39

who's counting?

Sir Gene: 1:44

Hey, if she's there to exercise, she's not going to notice somebody looking at her for a

Dude Named Ben named Rob: 1:47

again the point is they didn't come in in sweats and all bundled up and then, have moved their wardrobe depending on their workout and routine. They've come. To show and so if you come to show one should expect you to be seen that's it and

Sir Gene: 2:06

Absolutely. Absolutely. Now, we were more honest back in the 80s. I remember being in a member of a really nice fitness club, health club, whatever you want to call it. Back in the eighties and they had the club arranged so that all the aerobics classes were taught in the center of the club with no walls on our fall, fall four sides and a variety of gym equipment. The guys were

Dude Named Ben named Rob: 2:33

the

Sir Gene: 2:34

around all four

Dude Named Ben named Rob: 2:35

fishbowl. Yeah, because they had converted over sometimes they'd converted over the squash yeah the quiz. Yeah. Yeah, and it was obvious that the marketing department had stood there and

Sir Gene: 2:47

Yeah. The girls dressed for it. The guys noticed

Dude Named Ben named Rob: 2:51

notice though, back in the 90s, I guess, 80, 90s, even in, I shouldn't go farther than that because I was out of the dating scene. Going to the gym was considered the upscale bar place. Like you'd go to the bar to look for girls, but you kind of knew how the game played. But if you went to the gym, Or at the time, we just started getting the climbing bouldering walls and those kind of things. If you went to those places, you're getting an upscale. You're getting a you're going to meet someone with, want to be healthy healthy, healthy attitudes and look, outlooks at the time and everything like that. You also got obviously the ROID crowd to the, I love the ROID crowd, but you get the idea, right? There's always balances to the thing, but today. Going to the gym is somehow like a Zen Buddhist monk passion where you're not supposed to talk to other people. Especially not look at the females, like they now do the it's hilarious. They're doing segregated now male, female cause I, I feel insecure.

Sir Gene: 3:54

And honestly, I think you have to right now because it's the women just ruined it for people that want to actually exercise in the Because they're not willing to play the part they used to play. But the new part they're creating is making it be an unpleasurable experience to be in a gym. I'd rather be in a, and incidentally, these gyms always existed. So I remember back in 89 going to signing up for a really small hole in the wall gym, which was all about pumping iron and boxing. There was zero women in that gym. I don't know if they weren't allowed or if they just. None of them had the brains to bother wanting to join, but it was a bunch of guys working out pumping iron and and also training for boxing matches and I was it and I was like, it was a 100 percent male gym and out there that was probably a small percentage of the gyms around. But they certainly

Dude Named Ben named Rob: 4:51

remember being in the kickboxing, Muay Thai. And if you saw a woman, it was, it was amazing back in the day. Right. I don't know. I many many moons ago. I got my, I got my black belt in a couple of multiple things. It was we had a really good judo team, so I never got black there. Cause I never competed enough to get the points, but was cruising to Bruce blue ground. This is all before UFC, right? I remember watching UFC with the guys that we'd work out with in Taekwondo, it was after Karate, and then Judo, and we all sat around watching the first UFC tape. High as kites, by the way. Anyway And in being startled and about this, like going because the judo guys were all like this judo guy one and we're like, that's not judo. What is this? Right? What is this jiu jitsu thing at the time? Right? So this is many years ago. So I went through yeah, I went through taekwondo instructed and everything. And I wanted to try it. Some kickboxing matches. And back in the day, you had to go to an Indian reserve because it was all outlawed. Amateur boxing was the only thing that was legalized in there. Oh, this is also Alberta. We were

Sir Gene: 6:03

I should mention, you're

Dude Named Ben named Rob: 6:04

I am from I am from America's Hat aka Communist Central from the Northern perspective.

Sir Gene: 6:10

You're on the borderlands between

Dude Named Ben named Rob: 6:12

And obviously leaning one way heavier than the other based on our political aspirations lately. However.

Sir Gene: 6:18

But you got a bigger border with the

Dude Named Ben named Rob: 6:20

But we were from southern Alberta, which if you're looking for an area oil company country as well as this would be Texas.

Sir Gene: 6:28

Hell, man. That makes you, yeah, that makes you

Dude Named Ben named Rob: 6:30

It does not just for that. But Alberta, Saskatchewan, Manitoba, the prairies very carry very much the attitude of. Of Montana's of Ohio, et cetera, right? Crossing the border back and forth with the only real difference was is that we didn't have handguns, but every other truck growing up about the shotguns in the rear view. So anyway so we were always anyway, we're you have to remember. It wasn't until 96 or something like that. Maybe 93 as well that we allowed Sunday shopping. So we were. We were the last Bastils of the, kind of Christian white

Sir Gene: 7:12

We still can't buy a car on

Dude Named Ben named Rob: 7:13

because,

Sir Gene: 7:15

The car dealers are all closed Sunday.

Dude Named Ben named Rob: 7:18

Is that a law or just? Oh,

Sir Gene: 7:21

Yeah. It's cause you gotta be in church. Yeah. It's not voluntary. It's these are actual

Dude Named Ben named Rob: 7:29

car dealers. Okay.

Sir Gene: 7:32

Yes they're the last thing I think that people didn't care enough to get rid of the laws

Dude Named Ben named Rob: 7:38

can almost get behind that way. You say,

Sir Gene: 7:43

car dealers. It was a problem for Tesla trying to kind of sneak in here, cause they're obviously, they don't really, their car buying experience is filling out a

Dude Named Ben named Rob: 7:51

yeah, online. Yeah,

Sir Gene: 7:54

they were like we just have a showroom. It's not a dealer. You could take a car out for a test drive, but you're not literally, you're not technically buying anything there. You're filling out a form online. And there was a big brouhaha, but I don't even know how it was settled in the end, but I remember it when it

Dude Named Ben named Rob: 8:08

All right. All right. I always am interested in the little localizations there as you travel around. That's a, it's an interesting angle on it where you're just like,

Sir Gene: 8:21

And I asked about Muay Thai because that's the only martial art that I

Dude Named Ben named Rob: 8:24

Okay. And which style though? Was it the problem with Muay Thai is much like kickboxing, right? You have a little bit of the North American versus Europe versus the, the traditional and all the different rule sets in between, right?

Sir Gene: 8:38

so my teacher was from Samoa

Dude Named Ben named Rob: 8:40

very traditional elbow. Yeah. Elbow and the dance of death with the knees. Okay. Bottles on the shins to toughen you up.

Sir Gene: 8:49

I broke four fingers on my left hand and one on my right as in the course of

Dude Named Ben named Rob: 8:55

Yeah, toes and fingers are to be, okay. It's always my feet. My, I had,

Sir Gene: 9:02

It's the shins.

Dude Named Ben named Rob: 9:02

so did you do the pop bottle on the, Coke bottle that the old Coke bottles that used to be curved with the the grip ribs, the, do you remember the ones I'm talking about? Oh, that was the so if you remember the old Coke bottle that had the. Bell curve to it. But the bottom had those spiral. No, the old the glass, the old,

Sir Gene: 9:21

or glass

Dude Named Ben named Rob: 9:23

Yeah.

Sir Gene: 9:24

glass ones were they not straight? I

Dude Named Ben named Rob: 9:26

No we used to have them kicking around. They were almost everyone was searching around for him by the time I was there, but they were the hourglass shape, but they would have the the grip on the bottom was basically, concave half quarter circles all the way around. And they would roll them up and down their shins. We had these ball. Yeah. I'm

Sir Gene: 9:46

Oh, you sure?

Dude Named Ben named Rob: 9:47

couldn't do it. I'm like, you know what I'm just, and plus I was at the time, like 50, 150, 160 pounds soaking wet. So I could drop down to 140 territory. So I just use the idea of I'll just do Not, try not to stand totally with you and, That to you as I move backwards around the ring, maybe by round three, I can move forward because you were tired and I had gas. Yeah. Much different now where I'm packing around old man weight with, 200 pounds. Once you start lifting weights and realize, eh. My metabolism changed. I'm just going to get, I'm just going to

Sir Gene: 10:23

Yeah, it's it when you get to that point where your body weighs what max bench used to be it's kind of like

Dude Named Ben named Rob: 10:33

Yeah. And

Sir Gene: 10:34

not good

Dude Named Ben named Rob: 10:34

and everything. Right. Switched over to Jiu Jitsu. After all, all that, just to, save the knees and because it was the new up and coming thing. But

Sir Gene: 10:45

Did you guys have

Dude Named Ben named Rob: 10:46

we had sorry about that. It is some market calling and I'm trying to kill the phone as I not yeah, we had the early the early Brazilians come up, but this is now going back. 15, almost 20 years. And I remember, so at the time, this was all crazy. We're doing arm bars, rolling around. And then I, dropped off work and everything else. And, came back seven or eight years later and all of a sudden they're doing knee brace, like knee, and you're going for ankle. And now all that's old school. Now they've gone over to wrist locks. They're going to the keto style. And you're like It's super impressive because the guys at the squadron do jujitsu and, I roll lightly nowadays because I'm just one, I am one sneeze away from blowing out some part of my body and causing four weeks of physio to tune of 500.

Sir Gene: 11:41

Yeah. I, that, that shit gets progressively longer. Longer. I'd blown out both my knees when I was young and it was it it's not fun, but you've, you're back to walking within the week,

Dude Named Ben named Rob: 11:53

Wolverine when you're a kid, right? Like you'd be like, Oh, all right,

Sir Gene: 11:56

Yeah, and

Dude Named Ben named Rob: 11:57

through this.

Sir Gene: 11:59

you just don't really notice a lot of this stuff, and as you get older, it's I managed to do something to my ankle while I was asleep about a month ago, and it I, it feels like, I put pressure on it or weight on it when it was in the wrong position or something, and it ended up fucking up a tendon and, Like that shit still bothers me a month later, and it's a minor injury. And it was, it's the stupidity of it was like, I wasn't even doing anything fun while it

Dude Named Ben named Rob: 12:27

you're in that 45 plus, you're just constantly moving from injury to injury with the with the worst part. Like you just said, not even knowing how you, how this happened, right? So you count the days where you're not groaning, moaning and avoiding, certain exercises or, no, no deep, I won't even knee bend today. I'll just walk straight legged around the. Around the house, and as this is just going to keep going straight downhill, right? You're just like, and we don't have the the ability to get to stem cells as easy as you guys. I did try stem cells on my knees they, they have to do a bone extraction. So up here you don't, you have a lot more restrictions, obviously, and have to pay through the nose. Yeah, I would I've been,

Sir Gene: 13:09

So that's a lot of it's Next to the airport down

Dude Named Ben named Rob: 13:12

about it at this point. It did probably yeah. I think it did fix up my knees a little bit, but the

Sir Gene: 13:20

It's actually pretty amazing how

Dude Named Ben named Rob: 13:21

I'm like, I'd like to do this more, but they had to go into my hip to do the bone marrow. So this is all the bone marrow stuff and having somebody bash, basically a screw that they put a needle through at the end into you is, I'm not going to say it's painful. It's disconcerting. And then you're like, okay, the guy's done smashing you on the back with the hammer, putting it in. He's and then the doctor.

Sir Gene: 13:46

If you're awake while you're getting your wisdom teeth extracted you start realizing

Dude Named Ben named Rob: 13:50

Yeah. This is medieval, the medieval torture, right? As you're hearing them crack it in half.

Sir Gene: 13:54

It's like this shit hadn't changed in 2, 000 years, they were doing literally the exact same thing. Let's get a chisel and then start

Dude Named Ben named Rob: 14:01

I don't know if you've ever had bone marrow, but the part of it. That's not that. Yeah, that's not the disconcerting part. He's this is where it's really going to feel strange. And I'm like, pardon after, I assume that was so then they withdraw the bone marrow. And because basically they're sucking out from your body. That's been Equalized, pressurized ambient it creates it creates basically a vacuum and your body has to compensate and it's literally, I, you know how you lick a nine bolt on your tongue? It shot through from my hip, both directions in that same manner. And it popped out my ears. I can almost hear the bone pressurized, repressurized. And I'm like, yeah, you know what? That is disconcerting. Thanks for the three second warning before you Yeah, you sucked all that marrow out. But yeah, anyway it I'm, you guys are lucky down there. Yeah, you're so close because I honestly think that is. A future treatment to a lot of what I'll call aged and injury related in

Sir Gene: 15:01

And ultimately not even using your bone marrow for that.

Dude Named Ben named Rob: 15:05

yeah, and it's getting closer and there's, let's not, we don't need to harvest babies yet. That's just for fun

Sir Gene: 15:11

I, I no, but I could say that stuff, the exactly but I know there's definitely there are people that are doing that for de aging stuff, like getting rid of wrinkles on your face and stuff. And it's it's the next level, if you if you can easily afford Botox this costs a little more, but now you can actually get stem cells in your face and it'll make, it'll literally do an Instagram de aging filter on your face.

Dude Named Ben named Rob: 15:37

is going to be more. And yeah as in the interesting part is I have heard of them doing very refinement now. So actually taking the stem cell instead of just injecting it and saying, go off and find your location. I guess they're now able to tweak them where. Your stem cell, and we want you to become cartilage, so much more focused and refined. So if you start thinking in those terms, yeah, no, no need for plastic surgery. We'll just refill the college and in your face and off you go. Yeah, it,

Sir Gene: 16:08

exactly. And there, it's not all that different from the new synthetically grown real meat. There's two or three companies that are now doing this. And it, it tastes real because it is real. It's just grown without all the other body

Dude Named Ben named Rob: 16:24

We live in interesting times. Now, is it ready for prime time or is this the 20 year?

Sir Gene: 16:32

It's well, there have been a number of like reporters that have gone out to these places and they've tested it and they talk about how it. Tastes just like a steak or whatever. So I think it's certainly in the currently being done, but not, they don't have any of the regulatory approvals

Dude Named Ben named Rob: 16:52

yeah, and not that I don't distrust a reporter telling me what it tastes

Sir Gene: 16:56

And I think it'll probably start selling in some other country first. Not in the U S for sure.

Dude Named Ben named Rob: 17:01

yeah I, it's just the overall factory mechanics and moving through all of that where you're like, okay, when will it actually displace? Products without again what I'll call government fuckery in regards to moving monies towards or making something else less productive and that They are, you talk

Sir Gene: 17:23

I'll tell you what, if it gets rid of the U S having to grow nothing but corn, which sure seems to be mostly what we grow I'm all for it, man. Cause we need more farming diversity. Then just freaking

Dude Named Ben named Rob: 17:36

monocrop. It's interesting.

Sir Gene: 17:38

Huh.

Dude Named Ben named Rob: 17:38

Yeah. I we haven't got to that point here. A little bit of that is that we're still mixed, heavy mixed farming up here. So between we have a much shorter grow season.

Sir Gene: 17:47

You do the rapeseed I know quite a

Dude Named Ben named Rob: 17:49

it's quite a bit, but not as much as you see. Yeah. It, that's because it was a Canadian and, it was one of the major ones pushed I'll say,

Sir Gene: 17:58

And for people that don't know

Dude Named Ben named Rob: 17:59

And the other aspect that maybe people don't understand is once you grow it, it's goddamn impossible to get rid of we. Yeah,

Sir Gene: 18:08

you're saying it's a bit of a rapist are you

Dude Named Ben named Rob: 18:13

But that was heavily subsidized because it was I'll call it a Canadian invention, which isn't quite true. But in regards to its industrial, yes, from the industrialization of it into the farming, it was super hard to get rid of. And then because of the subsidies and everything else it. It became quite popular. We still have a very nice mixture up here. That's just really due to our growing season We have a lot of variety in the Canadian prairies that you guys don't get the reason quite simply for it is all that topsoil you guys get to grow on in The bottom 49 states all came from up here when the glaciers pushed it all off.

Sir Gene: 18:54

Oh, here we go. Here we go

Dude Named Ben named Rob: 18:56

Yeah. Yeah. And so again, the reason you

Sir Gene: 18:59

Yes that the great freeze over Pushed all the good dirt down south and left us with

Dude Named Ben named Rob: 19:04

So again, that's why I think we should be subsidized more. In regards to U. S. Canadian funding, at least from a TV perspective.

Sir Gene: 19:13

Oh, get in line buddy. There's so many countries wanting money from the us.

Dude Named Ben named Rob: 19:17

If you haven't seen it do take a look at something like the Washington Yakima Valley, those things. They have and I have family down across the border. If you go and look, some of their areas, you'll find 4, 5, 6 feet of topsoil. It would be the closest thing that you'd see to that Ukrainian basin where they have 3 feet of that big black soil. We would be lucky up here to have. inches, three to four inches. From a farming perspective up here, we have to do a lot more creative things just because And that also means that especially being in the foothills here, we have a huge amount of ranching because quite simply, you can't grow anything. In the foothills, you can, I don't know, you can definitely grow a crop on there and you're like, you can grow a crop on a quarter of that. Once you move into the scruff lands, the up and downs, like what the foothills, I'm not sure what names you guys call it, you ain't putting nothing but cows out there to eat grass. Let's be honest. If you'd like to take all that agricultural base out because you want to grow food, you can. However at some point, it's just not economically viable pushing cows out there on grass and leaf land is a pretty cheap method. And it then supplies usefulness to that land where you're not going to get that back in some sort of vegan push to protein methodology.

Sir Gene: 20:42

Yeah. And I'm not talking about the fake meat vegan stuff I'm talking about like actual meat. Meat. It's

Dude Named Ben named Rob: 20:47

Yeah, but again, yeah, anything

Sir Gene: 20:49

It's just pure

Dude Named Ben named Rob: 20:50

they've I Sure, I'm just kind of saying is to get that level of factory where you're like, competing against someone who's going to pop a cow into a grassland and sure you have the investment of the cow, but from a ranching perspective in the grasslands, your investment of those cattle is goddamn minimal. Your lease land cost is fairly cheap. If not next to zero, especially if that lands been within the yeah. within the family for a period of time, and to also keep again, government entering into markets. A lot of the guys doing ranchings are actually subsidized to keep that ranch land grass versus putting into farms so that crop prices stay up in other ways.

Sir Gene: 21:32

Same thing with a lot of Minnesotan States as well, where there are two options are to grow either corner grass, everything else is not profitable. And then the grass, because the government pays you to not grow shit. Or the corn because,

Dude Named Ben named Rob: 21:48

Yeah. So all of a sudden you get a couple hundred acres of grass getting paid by government. Now what? You could still run out and bail it or

Sir Gene: 21:56

Maize, it does make for good good land for the deer

Dude Named Ben named Rob: 21:58

Or elk whatever you may want to put a bullet in.

Sir Gene: 22:02

Yeah, if you're lucky enough to have bigger

Dude Named Ben named Rob: 22:04

yeah, we, we get lucky with with having almost all. Game through here. The moose is northern. I'd have to go a couple hours north or towards B. C. to get to moose.

Sir Gene: 22:18

I've watched some of these YouTube videos on, on baby moose, like wandering around Canadian neighborhoods, trying to figure out where the food is.

Dude Named Ben named Rob: 22:26

It's cute. We get baby bears. We have all the usual fauna wandering down. Yeah,

Sir Gene: 22:31

That I

Dude Named Ben named Rob: 22:31

a lot of those things are because from a major Canadian city perspective, you look at Calgary, Edmonton, for example, they're on the river bottoms. Because we're aiming for the river. There's water. That means a lot of the animals just wander up or wander down, whichever way you'd like to say it, the river system, and they pop out in the communities. It's not. Terribly uncommon, but it's still not it still doesn't mean I can go and cam up and sit beside the 7 Eleven and get a moose during during hunting season. It's just it's things popping out of the woods. You're like, cool, better there than on the road.

Sir Gene: 23:09

And I'm sure it's the same thing with the elk, but I know from deer hunting, it's like. The deer know exactly when the hunting season starts because a couple of days beforehand, they're just nonchalantly walking right up to you and wanting to get pet and nuzzle and get some food out of your fingers. And then first day of the season opens up. There's not a deer for 150 miles. They're all gone. It's like, how the hell do they

Dude Named Ben named Rob: 23:36

go out on the first day of hunting. It sounds just like the cartoons with with Elmer Fudd, right? It's just this blasting away. We actually do bow hunting before which, which is pretty polite for Which is pretty, yeah it's pretty polite because from a bow hunting perspective you have first crack at everything, and there's not that many people out compared to rifle, so you can set your stand up and have a little better go of it. The real, yeah, but the real problem with that though is so early in the season the chance, unless you get an early snowfall, they won't push themselves down. You gotta walk pretty far back, so there's all these caveats to it. With being with the foothills all up and down. The mountains like once the snows come in, the elk will push right down to the farmland. So there's a really good chance if you're patient enough that you can land elk, especially if no farmers with land against the edge of that, three, four years ago, nothing but nothing but golden, new old farmer, let us come out there. Now that he's moved on, retired out, I'm back onto crown land, much tougher, you gotta, again, know the locals, know someone with the weather, because you take that week off, it's a warm week. They just, they're not going to drop out of the tree line. So all of a sudden you're like cool. I guess I can shiv a deer cause they're all around, but my family doesn't eat. Too gamey. I can hide elk for the kids, but yeah elk, you can make tastes like cow, deer, you're you're mixing.

Sir Gene: 25:11

I like elk. I've always been partial to elk, although I will say that from a. Just a hardiness standpoint you can't beat

Dude Named Ben named Rob: 25:20

I've only had the restaurant, I'll call it restaurant buffalo. So I'm not a hundred percent sure if that is.

Sir Gene: 25:28

I've bought, but I've never hunted for it, but I've bought a bunch in the, like South Dakota, North Dakota. And it is, it's really good even to the point where I'll even, sometimes I don't do this very often because I always am self conscious about what I'm doing when I go to Whole Foods, but occasionally I'll go to Whole Foods and buy some some buffalo meat out there because they, they have it all the time, but

Dude Named Ben named Rob: 25:53

Is that is is it, do you guys, so when I had it, it was not marbled at all. It was, yes. Okay. Okay. I wasn't sure if so that whole marbling and that whole marvelous. So we grew up on a farm and we'd raise a yearling. We would have the horses, cows and everything, but we would have a yearling bull that we would raise out just to butcher. Okay. It would be kept a little bit separate. We could feed it a little bit more, but it'd be pastured out on the different ones and its meat would come out, not marbled. Deep red. Because it we've never feed lot it. And at the end of the year, this year and half the time it was an asshole anyway, because it was a little bit baby compared to the other animals. And that, that was considered not the best meat, right? You go to a restaurant and this is marbled everything else. And I was always like Where did that come from? Is that?

Sir Gene: 26:45

I think having the the fatty deposits within the fat within the musculature does make for a tastier piece of meat, but I'll tell you from a, just, I don't know how to better describe it than heartiness. Like I, I eat some bison or, Buffalo, I guess some people refer to it. And it, I'm just like full

Dude Named Ben named Rob: 27:09

very dense, and it is harder to

Sir Gene: 27:13

Yeah.

Dude Named Ben named Rob: 27:13

Marbled out steak from, our safeway or whatever else. Easier, much easier to barbecue. You gotta be right on top of your elk steak.

Sir Gene: 27:21

Yeah, you can't let it dry

Dude Named Ben named Rob: 27:23

Yeah or you have to put the pan, put the metal pan in with water in there to keep, there's a variety of ways around it. 1 can agree that the marbling adds,

Sir Gene: 27:32

Or you just cook it in butter.

Dude Named Ben named Rob: 27:34

such a mess, like bringing up the big pan and everything like that. That's why I'm like barbecues right outside.

Sir Gene: 27:40

Yeah, just put a cast iron pan on the barbecue, and then put a

Dude Named Ben named Rob: 27:45

I'm gonna let you in on a secret. I don't, eh, that's sounding way more like work than I care to do just to get that piece of meat. It is, I don't have a smoker. I am like this all my buddies are always like, oh, I'm gonna do this. And I'm like, yeah, cool. Bring me over some.

Sir Gene: 28:02

What? No pellet smoker? What century do you live in? Cool. I know you got to run and we're just going to chat a little bit briefly here just to get a little bit of a sampling in, but we'll get into all the other more interesting topics like you being a dude named Ben and all the

Dude Named Ben named Rob: 28:20

Yeah, I thought it'd be I thought it'd be fun to chat and I wouldn't mind. I wouldn't mind. We could do a topic based, but I think we could go through any social and pick out where the topics are because I'm super interested on hearing everyone's opinion of the unique microcosm that I see there. Yeah, I I'm always like, ah, it's just a variation of how many layers of tinfoil hat one is wearing if you land on any social. But then you're like no, this guy's, this guy's, this person's a full body.

Sir Gene: 28:51

Mhm.

Dude Named Ben named Rob: 28:52

Are you really sure the Jews are running in the world? Cause I gotta say. If they were, it would be fucking much more organized than this. I'm just going to, I'm just going to outline if this is really true like honestly, the shit should be a lot better.

Sir Gene: 29:08

And it all depends on where you work. If you work in Hollywood. I think that's just an honest statement to say the Jews typically are your bosses because there's not as many Jewish people that are acting, but they do have an awful lot of careers in things surrounding that. Which has to do with finance. That's a very doctor, lawyer, accountant, three top Jewish career paths. So it's not hard to figure out where they're going to end

Dude Named Ben named Rob: 29:38

obviously there are what I'll call the in groups in every industry or area as well. Right. And,

Sir Gene: 29:46

like Indians and IT. Yes. Yeah.

Dude Named Ben named Rob: 29:47

I was just gonna, I was just going to bring that up and you've seen them shift heavily into finance, especially in Canada the Eastern, 10, 15 years ago in the east. That was all the shifting. You're seeing that now cross over into the rest of Canada. It started east and then Vancouver, and now it's meeting across the end and you just stop and go, okay is there a comball there? And you're like, no, but there's definitely an investment and there's definitely a culture aspect and I'm going to let you in on a secret. People like hiring people like them

Sir Gene: 30:20

Absolutely. And this is I'm glad you brought that up and we'll probably wrap it up on this. But this is something I've been telling Americans for decades because Americans don't understand this. Every other culture does. And I think the reason is because and maybe Canada is the same way. But the reason is because America. Is made up of a bunch of immigrants over generations. And so there isn't that sort of affinity towards somebody from your neck of the woods that there is with other countries. When you have somebody coming from India and they're the first person to get hired in the company there's an extremely high chance that a disproportionately high percentage of people that they have in an. And the effect on hiring, whether it's a decision maker or just some parallel effect will have similar mindset and similar characteristics to them. And that also means probably a similar background, which probably means same color skin.

Dude Named Ben named Rob: 31:19

political affiliation.

Sir Gene: 31:21

typical thing. It's the reason that we had Irish cops. As a, kind of a colloquial funny thing, but it was based on reality because police ended up coming into the workforce and I saw it firsthand in Minnesota when I lived there with the Somalis taking over the taxi trade. It was prior to the Somalis, there were a lot of Ethiopians that

Dude Named Ben named Rob: 31:49

there's a meatpacking plant here. That is now all Filipino and and talking to, a friend of a friend, in there and the attitude was is. They're all Filipino, the white, it wasn't that they actively pushed out the white workers, but they actively pushed out the white workers. At some point, if you're the only white guy showing up to this job, not, and everyone else around you isn't, you get the idea, right? There's a level of self selection that, that occurs here. And we see this in HR,

Sir Gene: 32:22

They were

Dude Named Ben named Rob: 32:22

and people talk about companies going woke and everything like that. And there's this, When we allow people freedom to self select, they tend to self select. There's good and there's bad to it. It was interesting that you brought up, U. S. and, the Canadian aspect. There used to be the idea of a melting pot and you're the same age as I am. So there used to be something of become American, right, or become Canadian. That first generation Canadian landing in the prairies, first thing they did was built a school. Correction, they built a church, they built the school, and then they hired an English speaking teacher so that their kids were not going to be

Sir Gene: 33:03

Yeah.

Dude Named Ben named Rob: 33:03

weren't going to be Ukrainian, they spoke Ukrainian at home, but those kids were, or Polish or whatever, or German, but their kids were going to speak English and be Canadian, and there was that aspect of us you. Being Canadian, being American first, and then we were Irish American, then we were,

Sir Gene: 33:26

You can celebrate different cultural. Events, holidays, whatever, of where your family originated, but you felt like you were an American or you were a Canadian or whatever.

Dude Named Ben named Rob: 33:39

foremost on the same team. And I think we, this, and I've seen this, again, drift over my childhood. I think you had the, you would swear allegiance. We would do the God's prayer. We would do, Oh Canada, we would do all these things to have a commonality of culture, and now those are actually being, taken out and now never shall we speak of that. Everyone should be whatever they are first. And I'm like I think you're missing the point of needing to be active in creating cohesion and. I think unfortunately, we'll feel the consequences of this sooner or later, and I'm,

Sir Gene: 34:20

I think we already are in a lot of

Dude Named Ben named Rob: 34:21

It's just has it, the question we talked about quite a bit, amongst myself and the other tinfoil hats is, when will it get really bad? When will this pendulum swing over to? The other side which simply means all the worst things are going to happen to the people. We don't want it to happen to, the lower the people in the lower aspects of society who, you know, one, one wants to protect and to help are going to feel this way worse. And it's all being driven from my 10, 15 percent of the population who

Sir Gene: 35:00

The only things sorry to interrupt you there, but the only thing I would say is that might be a similar lining is that there's a book that a friend of mine wrote maybe 10, 12 years ago, which predicted all this stuff. And it's called pendulum and it is basically an analysis of the last. Really hardcore about 300, but going back

Dude Named Ben named Rob: 35:23

the author of that

Sir Gene: 35:24

human history,

Dude Named Ben named Rob: 35:25

Thank you.

Sir Gene: 35:26

Roy Williams. Yeah, if you look up pendulum and Roy Williams on Amazon you'll see it. And I actually both the, he had a coauthor as well. They're both friends of mine, but the book is a it's an analysis more than the predictive thing, but the predictions they're making were very spot on because they say this is sort of. It's a pattern in humanity. It's not something that we're like consciously trying to choose. The only variables are these, the details of the events, but whether something happens or not. Is extremely likely due to the past pattern. What we don't know is where it's going to happen and what

Dude Named Ben named Rob: 36:08

And the extremes. Yeah. The swing.

Sir Gene: 36:11

And in that book, 2023 is the leftmost position on the pendulum. So this is where next year it starts to swing back in the other direction.

Dude Named Ben named Rob: 36:23

yeah.

Sir Gene: 36:24

And 1983 was the opposite side of the pendulum. It was the rightmost pendulum was. The swing is in a very general sense between individualism and collectivism. So right now we are at the pinnacle of the collectivism in the West. Now that pattern holds true for Europe and western countries like the United States, Canada, et cetera, does not hold true for Asian countries. They have their own

Dude Named Ben named Rob: 36:56

I'll, I will take a look.

Sir Gene: 36:58

but if you start looking at Europe. Yeah, Europe, Middle East really, the remnants of the Roman empire and which I certainly consider the United States to be coming out of that historically. We all still adhere to that same

Dude Named Ben named Rob: 37:12

Yeah, I definitely will.

Sir Gene: 37:13

You'll enjoy it.

Dude Named Ben named Rob: 37:14

The the thing is this isn't surprising when people talk about cycles or this pendulum swing the left to the right you only have to look inside yourself to say when you want to make changes inside of yourself you obviously go to extremes and pull back and that's my entire family coming home and the dog now barking. Apologies. Yeah. All right.

Sir Gene: 37:35

things up five minutes ago. All right. So with that

Dude Named Ben named Rob: 37:37

you have a good day, man. Thank you very much. Bye.

Sir Gene: 37:41

All right. Take care.