Sir Gene: 0:14

We're, we're live on the stream, but let's get everything ready before we hit the record button, the podcast, which, which stream? The YouTubes stream. Oh.

Podfather Adam: 0:24

Not, let me send you a link. You don't stream to no agenda stream.

Sir Gene: 0:27

I've never streamed no John the stream, cuz no one would give me access to it.

Podfather Adam: 0:30

What do you mean? You always stream there with Darren,

Sir Gene: 0:32

Darren streams to it? Yes. Darren Streams every day. But I, I've asked guys to teach me how to get a stream set up. Oh no. They

Podfather Adam: 0:39

hate you. They hate you. Yeah, they do hate me.

Sir Gene: 0:41

I'm banned, you know, I'm banned off irc. So

Podfather Adam: 0:44

how really? Oh, you knew that? No, I, I bitched about it. Believe me. I don't know this.

Sir Gene: 0:50

I didn't know that. Like three years ago.

Podfather Adam: 0:51

Three years ago. Oh, you haven't been on since then? No,

Sir Gene: 0:54

no. It's you know, it was a perma band from my understanding, so I even tried,

Podfather Adam: 0:59

Careful now I'm gonna ban you from no agenda social. You, you might, I know you Russian dis disinformation artist.

Sir Gene: 1:05

this is Sir Gene, and today I have a very special guest with me, Adam Curry. I've certainly known Adam for apparently over a decade now. And I've had many wonderful conversations with him, today he's joining me both on audio and video. So if you're listening to this in podcast form make sure you check out the video of this, which will be in the link that's in the podcast notes. And if you're watching this well then please do sign up for the podcast as well. We have plenty of other cool interviews coming up, and I'll be talking more about them in the coming weeks. Adam, how are you my friend?

Podfather Adam: 1:42

I'm good, Gene I am, I'm just gonna put, put up with the video, as you know. I, I really despise it. But you're my friend. I love you. And that's and so, you know, anything you ever ask me I would do for you, I would walk through over hot

Sir Gene: 1:53

coals for you. Well, I, I appreciate you saying that. That's that's very

Podfather Adam: 1:58

most true. Most true. It's true. We, we've been friends for a long time. Mm-hmm. And I appreciate your friendship.

Sir Gene: 2:03

Thank you. Well, and I, I, yours obviously, in fact, we even

Podfather Adam: 2:06

started a company together. We did. And we did. Yeah. Didn't go too far, but No, it's, well, I realized more and more how hard, you know, the hardware is called hardware for a reason. It was really hard. Yeah. Yeah. And and I have to say that the outgrowth of that is now, you know, seven, eight years later, I'm using the, the road road Roader Pro two, and that's pretty much what we envisioned. And so, you know, I'm happy. It's very similar. It's, yeah, it's very, it's very close to, to what we were thinking about. Yeah. Some other guy actually sent me hold on a second. Just one second. I'm here. Here. You'll laugh your ass off when you see this. Okay. Some guy sent me this. Look at this. Look at this beauty.

Sir Gene: 2:46

Yes. And it's open circuit board. Oh, that looks kind of cool. A little kind of retro

Podfather Adam: 2:52

future. Yeah. Well, and yes, so it's two microphones. You can mix in USSB, it can record out to U Ussb. You can record an external ags, you can split the Mic Champ, I mean mm-hmm. Pod, pod Mobile is what it's called. Oh, look, there's a QR code, everybody. Nice. That's cool. So this guy that's sent this to me, I'm like, holy shit. I wanted to show it to you because I'm like, oh man, this, this was kind of the, the first idea, although we had a computerized mm-hmm. he's all analog, which I really appreciate. Right. Yeah. We, we had a, a, lemme close. We had a company and and I, you know, it was really, it was really fun doing it. We, you know, we selected a, a bad third partner. I'll, I'll, I'll take the blame for. I'll definitely give it to you, but yes, and so that, so that didn't work, but it was, we had fun trying

Sir Gene: 3:37

conceptually. It was great. I definitely had a lot of fun on getting a little deeper into the hardware side than I've ever done before as well, and do getting, learning a little bit of CAD to model like the case and all that stuff.

Podfather Adam: 3:49

And was the case was beautiful, man searching to have at least dials 10 boxes that look just like it. Yeah, yeah,

Sir Gene: 3:56

exactly. Yeah. So it, it was neat. And in a lot of ways, even though, you know, obviously we're not making any money off the roader product, it is cool to see something actualized in reality that was quite similar to what we originally created and were prototyping,

Podfather Adam: 4:14

but they, their, their, their retail is 6 99. We never would've done No, no, no. I mean, with all the stuff they, they played, we were breaking even at like 700 bucks. Yeah, exactly. Exactly. It was, it was not anot to It was hard. It was hard.

Sir Gene: 4:27

Yeah. But still, I mean, the, the fact that there are now devices that are created specifically for speech in audio, maybe not just podcasts, you could certainly record books, audio books with it as well, things like that. You could do shows, but, you know, this was a tiny, tiny little fragment of the audio market because everyone's creating devices for music, right. And so I'm like I remember. In fact, the, the microphone that I see in front of you and the one, same one that's in front of me right now recommended by you. That's right. Yep. That microphone I learned about. In fact, it was just the re 20 now, the three 20 by visiting talk radio stations going, oh. So that's how they get the sound. That's very interesting. I wanna, right. I wanna see their whole setup. Cuz I was always listening to talk radio, but, you know, I wasn't exposed un until much, much later to the insides of it. But now it's, it's, you know, selling products that people actually use for speech is a lot more common. But we're not here to talk about what I know we're here to talk about. You

Podfather Adam: 5:32

think, I think this was initially developed for kick drums.

Sir Gene: 5:36

That's how they marketed it. But the thing is, it's got such a great profile to it because, oh yeah. The r e 20 is just completely flat. Right. And, and the three 20, actually it, it, for me anyway, it, it lets me avoid having to put in an EQ in the.

Podfather Adam: 5:53

Oh, well, you know me. I mean, I iq eq, everything. Yeah. I put you know, the compression, my waveforms are flat, you know, this is my sound. Mm-hmm. But I love this because I can spit in it pop by prop, explosives. I'm gonna die spitting in this thing for sure. This is, I love, and I'd hate to have to open it up and take a look at what's inside. I bet it's really nasty. That's why I have three of them.

Sir Gene: 6:14

that. Are you up to three now? Wow. Three.

Podfather Adam: 6:16

That's impressive. Yeah. Yeah. I thought I blew them up, but actually I didn't blow'em up. It was faulty cable. So I had three at a certain point, and I've tried other mics, you know, the classic SM seven, which I've had for ages. Mm-hmm. and then that that square beck microphone, which was just way too dynamic. Hmm. It looks neat. It looks very cool. Actually I use that on the other side of the desk for, for my wife, for team. We, when we Curry and the keeper it's great for her. Cuz you know, she's like, you know, like this and, you know, looking at the iPad, Uhhuh, not so, and it really captures her. So I'm happy with, and I have an Norman, which I love, but, you know mm-hmm. the, the kind of compression I use. It's, you're just sucking, I mean, you're sucking in from Fredericksburg to Austin. Every, every dog fart, you know? So that's just unusable.

Sir Gene: 6:57

Yeah. Well, it, it's I think you develop, and I mean this, like, this mic is, I think my fourth or fifth mic that I bought in testing different mics to see which ones I like the sound of the most. Mm-hmm. and I, I haven't looked back after I got this one, I was like, holy cow. That's the one I'm sticking with. Yeah. This is the gene sound coming out of this mic

Podfather Adam: 7:19

for sure. Yeah. You got got a real slow noise gate on it, which I kind of like. Mm-hmm. it's kind of nice for you. Mm-hmm. Yeah, I like that. Although I, I do hear some like, fizzy, like a l e D or something. I hear a very light ground loop. I hear something really interesting. Mm-hmm. Yep. I'm super sensitive to that shit, so, yeah. Yeah,

Sir Gene: 7:38

yeah. No, that's good. Well, oh, that's one thing, and I'm gonna have you do this while we're talking. I, I probably should have done this before we hit the record button, but too bad it's gonna be in the podcast. Hit your settings button there in the software that you're in. Should be a little spinning gear looking thing on the, towards the bottom of the sCurry n. Oh, bottom of the sCurry n. Yeah. Do you see a little spinning gear?

Podfather Adam: 8:01

Oh, yes. Here in the middle of the sCurry n.

Sir Gene: 8:02

Yeah. Okay. Yeah. Do you want me to do, yeah. Click that, go to audio and then select advanced and make sure that the high quality audio is

Podfather Adam: 8:09

turned on. Now do you have, do you have my video running? You see my video, right? Oh, yeah. Let's see. Advanced. What do you want? High quality or on or off on? Is it honorary high resolution audio? Do you want stereo? Yes.

Sir Gene: 8:23

Don't need stereo

Podfather Adam: 8:24

echo. Unless you're gonna, unless you're gonna say or anything. Noise suppression is off. Yeah. All that stuff should be off auto gain control. I'll leave on, I guess, I usually turn

Sir Gene: 8:31

that off. Oh, let's turn it off. Hey, hey. Somebody just did a$33 and 33 cent donation look. Oh, is that super chat best? Yeah. Super chat. Best podcast in the universe. No agenda. Sorry. A lifetime dirt bag for not donating to them. Oh. Gotta work on, Hey. Getting a knighthood I

Podfather Adam: 8:49

guess. Some dangerous, hold on. You've been deuced, you've been deduced nice.

Sir Gene: 8:55

That a live d douching on the air. 30 threes some magic number. Gotta love it. There's probably a lot of people that are watching right now that are, have not been listeners of no agenda. They're going, what

Podfather Adam: 9:06

the hell just happened? I doubt it. Everyone listens to no agenda. What are you talking about? We're bad guys. Do you have a pretty

Sir Gene: 9:12

wide

Podfather Adam: 9:12

reach? That's true. That is very true. You know, so there's, there's this open source as part of podcasting, two point ohs, an open source stats system. Mm-hmm. that was put up by John Sperlock, who's a ex Silicon Valley guy, lives in Dallas. You know, basically quit and, you know, to see what he could do to move podcasting forward. And he created this op p three dot org or OP three.dev and it's open open stats and it's really good. So it's not like, you know, it goes way beyond the IAB certification where, you know, one second of audio is a full download and all that horse shit. And it looks like we have on average about 850,000 people listening to any, any no agenda episode. Mm-hmm. which I think is pretty good. Yeah. You know, we could make money with advertising without audience.

Sir Gene: 9:58

Well, you could have done that a long time ago, but the more important way to make money is by. From, of course, a list or the producer, you

Podfather Adam: 10:07

guys call'em producers. Yes. We, we would've been along off the air if we had taken Advertis. Yes. We wouldn't have been, it would've not worked. I would've

Sir Gene: 10:13

said that was, man, you would've run out of gold and VPNs

Podfather Adam: 10:16

to sell gold or mattresses or what else? Uh, Pillows. Yes. Square Squarespace. Squarespace, back in the day. Squarespace, Squarespace. And uh, exactly what Tommy John's. Although I would've loved to have sell some flashlights, that would've been a cool one to do. Yeah.

Sir Gene: 10:31

Yeah. That's kind of what you're drinking out of right now. Hmm. For people that don't have video, you're missing out, guys, you're missing out. You gotta watch the video

Podfather Adam: 10:39

portion of it. Every, every appearance I do. I take one with me. Do you? You're nice. Yeah. Gotta bring the fleshlight. That's right. That's not a flashlight but

Sir Gene: 10:48

I don't, oh, I don't know. It looks like one, I don't know. You're holding there But now the other question I'm sure some people have is you're, that that vape thing you're puffing on is huge. What is that? Yes.

Podfather Adam: 11:01

Well, so the, this is a geek vape, but it's it is really more about the, the, the tank. Mm-hmm. because it's, it's a rebuild. So I stopped smoking. I, I, I've been a smoker all my life since I was 13. And the last probably. 15 years or so. Mm. Maybe less. I, I was really smoking, you know, more marijuana, but I'd mix it up with with tobacco from times. It also like gives you like a little extra, A little extra, a little nicotine buzz. Yeah. A little nicotine buzz. And I, I microdose all day long waken bake to, to, you know, before I go to bed and just kind of like, you know, it was, it was, I don't know. It, it, my culture in the Netherlands, you know, is kind of where I came from and I never really gave that up until November, end of November. And I had to have this oral procedure done, which, you know, we can get into if you want. I had two surgery the bone ossification, so have, I've been regrowing bro bones since the end of November. Mm-hmm. and my periodontist, you know, I got a great team. One guy does all the, the pretty stuff and mm-hmm. another guy does all the surgery stuff. And who's also a pilot, we're now kind of buddies. We're actually, we have buddies. And he said you know, like a week before the surgery, he calls me up, says Adam dude, like, just, you know, I, I really want this to be successful and and I want it to be easy for me and easy for you with the, with the healing. So you've gotta stop putting fucking fire in your mouth. I'm like, oh, okay. Okay. And so I stopped and I quit and I, and I, I have not really, I've not smoked it all since then. I have an actual vaporizer, which doesn't burn the flower, but it heats it up and, you know, and it gets 185 degrees. And then it's kind of like one of those vaporizers with the big plastic

Sir Gene: 12:40

bag only. It's small. This is like a smolder instead of a fire kind of thing. Correct,

Podfather Adam: 12:43

yeah. And then it, and it cools down so you can, you know, just you're inhaling like a very, very cool stream of you know, a vapor. But even that for some reasons, it's like, I don't know, I just, I quit almost all together and I find out I'd get a lot more done in my day. Shocker. Go figure. I, you know, I also got, I was, I, I set up this software called Trillium. I dunno if you've ever heard of it. Mm-hmm. But Trillium is it's open source package and it's like this database for the front end. You run it on your, on your home server, and you can have a client for it or a web client. And it's really an outliner, which I love. It organizes your day with to-do list. It's completely integrated. So I was so distracted by setting that up at the same time, I, I never even had like a, oh man, I wish I could have a smoke. And so, yeah, I don't know. It's it's just gone. No one's complained. It doesn't seem like, I'm less entertaining or you know, if anything, I'm, I'm probably calmer than I was. But yeah, so, so yeah. So the back to the vape the vape shop in Fredericksburg, Texas, where I live in Hill Country is called Vape. Jerry and Kathy run it. They're, you know, they're old, like, they're probably in the witness protection program, they're in their mid sixties, and they started a, a real vape shop. So not with, you know, jewels or any of that crap but with, you know, only organic, you know, real nicotine, no, no, no funky flavors except for, you know, all tobacco derivatives. And they started that to help people smell, well, I can't get bubble

Sir Gene: 14:04

gum there. Is this what?

Podfather Adam: 14:05

Saying? No, no, absolutely not. And so this one, you actually rebuild it, you, you wind the coil yourself. You put the cotton in. So instead of, you know, most people get a tank and it's, they put an element in, it's from China, who the hell knows what's in it. You know, it gets all nasty and you just don't know. So I figured if I'm gonna do this anyway, I'm gonna do it right. And it's a nice ritual, you know, whereas rolling, rolling a, a joint used to be, I mean, I could roll him with my left hand behind my back while driving I think I've seen you do that Yeah. Probably have you know, the like an old school where, you know, papa has to clean his pipe once a week, you know, so I, I sit down, I got all my gear and I, and my tools and I, and make the coil, you don't have to wind once a week mm-hmm. but put new cotton in it. And, you know, this one has temperature control, so it heats up slowly to 425 degrees over a ten second period at 14 watts. I mean, it's completely configurable. Mm-hmm. And it looks like a little robo penis uncircumcised. So let me just

Sir Gene: 15:00

suck on it. Uhhuh. Mm-hmm. Yeah. No, that's cool. Well, and you know, my, my whole story with the THC is that I, I did a test, a very scientific test. Yeah. You

Podfather Adam: 15:12

need like a hundred, a hundred grams before you get stone Yeah, exactly. I, I gotta tell you, so I did this procedure and it turns out if you have redhead red hair in the family mm-hmm. or, you know, anything Irish, you have a very huge tolerance. Mm-hmm. So this was a five and a half hour procedure, and they knocked me out with medical fentanyl. Mm-hmm. and I kept waking up. Oh man. Well, no, it's okay. I mean, you're all, it just a, it's like, it's just to put you to sleep. It's not like, like, like you can feel stuff though. No, no, no, no, no, no. They shoot shot me up with Nova or Lidocaine everywhere. Yeah. Yeah. But I kept waking up. Hey, and I come talk, talk, talk, knocking my teeth out, you know, or something like that. Mm-hmm. I'm like, and they, and, and you know, I wanna scratch my chin with my left hand. Like sure, someone slaps my hand down, give him more He said, we gave you enough to put down an elephant, you just kept coming back. So, you know, Uhhuh, I have to, I have high tolerance for that. And yeah, although if I, if I, if I vape some weed now, I, I get pretty loopy pretty quick. Cuz you know, that tolerance goes away pretty

Sir Gene: 16:11

quick. Just, just from not

Podfather Adam: 16:12

doing it for a while. Yeah, yeah. No, but with you, it's like, I think you would literally have to, it doesn't start with you until like a hundred milligrams, right? Yeah. Yeah. That's

Sir Gene: 16:19

crazy. Yeah. And then, and my, my, when I finally got to that point where it was noticeable, you know, I realized like I'm having less fun playing video games cuz I'm not as good at it. My focus and concentration are not where I wanna be. I'm like, why the fuck do people do this? This makes no

Podfather Adam: 16:35

sense to me. That's, that's the desired to affect Gene. What, what's your problem?

Sir Gene: 16:37

That's the whole, that's the opposite of what

Podfather Adam: 16:39

I want. No, well then don't do it. Well

Sir Gene: 16:41

and you know else, Coke is good. I will say that. It's just not healthy. Don't do Coke.

Podfather Adam: 16:47

But it does have a desired effect. Not, not my drug brother. Not my drug. No, not my drug at all. No

Sir Gene: 16:52

Well, I, yeah, I mean I can't do it for obvious reasons cuz I don't want to be a John Candy, but, uh Right. Yeah, it's uh, it's for sure it does work. Just don't do it. Kids. So let's talk about podcasting 2.0. That's a big topic and obviously something that you are at the very core of. As a super fast, like three sentence refresher. Tell people about podcasting 1.0 and how that came about. And then let's jump onto podcasting 2.0.

Podfather Adam: 17:18

Podcasting 1.0 really started in 2000. Dave Weiner was building software for web logs which I would say he invented. You know, he, he took a format called RSS and really turned it into rss, what as we know it today. Mm-hmm. And it would, and that, that's used to syndicate content, syndicate blogs. And he had this very interesting product called Radio User Land. And it was a little server that you ran on your, on your laptop. We didn't have phones then or anything like that. And so you opened up a browser just accessing this, this server on your own computer, and you could write blog posts and then post that to a server somewhere. You know, like just a regular old hosting thing. Just something you dropped a file in. And you could also subscribe to other blogs with an aggregator, an RSS aggregator. And I was really enamored by the concept. And I used that pr I like, it's called Radioland, you know, it's like, oh, this, it, you know, it's like everyone has their own little radio station. I didn't really quite connect all the pieces yet because what it didn't have was an enclosure. It didn't have a way to attach a file to it. And at the time I had this in, actually it's a blog post I wrote called the Last Yard I think, or the Last Mile, whatever it was. It's out there still. And I was in Amsterdam. It was around 2000 and we had one of the first countries to get cable modems. And the idea of a cable modem was revolutionary. Not of people, not a lot of people will remember it, but you had to dial up, you know, in, you know, just tie up your phone line and your fax line to get on the internet. And now you didn't have to do that. It wasn't particularly fast or anything like that, but at least you didn't have to dial up anymore. Mm-hmm. And that was pretty revolutionary cuz the, the computer was just on, you could go there, but if you wanted to watch video, which is what I was looking at the time it would, the experience would be click, you wait for five minutes, you know, then it would, and this was real video, so it wasn't even really streaming, it was just a very highly compressed thing. It download, you'd click it, it open up, it, open up another application, and then it would place some shitty video for a minute. And and I, and I thought, you know, why don't we, there's no need to do this live in real time. What if the computer already knew what you wanted and it was downloading stuff in the background And then when it had it downloaded, that's when it told you there was something new. I'm like, oh. And then you click on it, you'll have, at least, you'll have an immediate experience and you could do, you know, high, you know, big file sizes cuz you wouldn't know anyway that it was doing this in the back. And for my broadcast experience, I knew that, you know, like the six o'clock news, it's not all live at that minute. You know, packages have been done a week before. The stuff that was done the afternoon, you know, is really the host that sits there and rolls it all out, live in one sequence. Mm-hmm. and so I flew to New York. I convinced him to build that and and that, that's what created RSS 2.0, which includes the attachment. And we were happily using that for a couple. 1.8, no, no, no, no. RSS 2.00.

Sir Gene: 20:05

RSS two point ohs. Right. Wait, okay. Not podcasting 2.0.

Podfather Adam: 20:08

RS podcast didn't exist. The word didn't exist the concept until I saw my first iPod in 2003 and I looked at this thing, you remember it was the big one or the hard drive in it. It had that kind of mm-hmm. beautiful white finish. It had the big dial on the front and looked like a bar of soap. But, well, to me it looked like the Sony AM transistor solid State Radio. My grandmother had given me when I was seven, which had a nine volt battery. And I looked at this thing and went radio, not Jute jukebox or Digital Walkman. Mm-hmm. I said, this is a radio. And then I saw the mechanism at the time you had to push it into its doc and it would synchronize with iTunes and it would put everything from your computer. It would sync it up, basically. And so that's when I said about building in AppleScript, something called the iPod Script that would subscribe to one, one po. It wasn't, we didn't have a name for it, but one feed, and that was my. So when I published a new MP3 at the time, then it would detect this, but it would be polling the whole time and it would pull it down to my computer my Mac, and then it would, once it was down, it would synchronize to the iPod and it would put it there right in its own little playlist, which at the time was Daily Source code. And it would list, you know, every single new show. There it is. There's the old school one. Mm-hmm. And, and this, this was like, holy crap. This was a no-brainer to me. And so once I had that, I put the word out on my blog. I said, I need developers. I'm not a developer, but here's the concept. And we need applications that can do this. And to help y'all, I'm going to do a, a show. I just call it a show every day. I'll release it in my feed as an mp3. And it was called the Daily Source Code. And all I did was talk about the development of these applications. And so we had IPO X, we had, you know, ipo, lemon, we had all these different versions for Windows, for Mac and for Unix, I built a little directory, which it was@ipo.org, which was in itself kind of revolutionary cuz it was a, a, a world outline. It was outliners that were all linked together. You know, we had, I don't know, about 4,000 podcasts, but I was doing interviews and just was re it just, it, it clicked. Mm-hmm. for some reason and was really. It was like W G B H, Tony Kahn, who started putting NPR content on there. The b BBC grasped very early. And I was, I I, I moved to the UK around this time, so I was there and I could do interviews and then I got a call from Steve Jobs, oh, actually from Eddie Q. And he says, do you have time to meet Steve in like 2005, 2006? And I'm like, well, yeah, yeah, maybe lemme check my calendar. And that, and from that was the launch of of podcasting in in iTunes. And after that, I mean, just took off, you know, it was just big. Yeah. So now we'll move forward. A lot of things happened. In fact it was a podcasting was, was the darling, was the hottest shit. But then things turned, and a couple things happened. One, our biggest so-called competitor Odio flipped the script and they closed as a podcast creation and listening platform. Mm-hmm. and became Twitter, literally using the published subscribe mechanism of podcasting initially, which is why, you know, it didn't work very well. We had the Twitter fail. Well because the podcasting RSS ecosystem is not really meant to be centralized. It's meant to be completely decentralized. But then we also got Facebook and then YouTube and YouTube came in with, you know, like the million, the billion dollar price tag. And it was anybody could, you know, it was free. You could, you could upload video for free. And to this day, of course, that's still the. Which is really the big, the big beauty of, of YouTube is doesn't cost you anything to, to do whatever you want. And that pushed podcasting down to page five, below the fold, no one cared. We had what else did we have? Pandora, you know, the phase out of Napster. Mm-hmm. So really, but meanwhile, podcasting did just kind of trickle along, you know, growing a little, maybe four or 5% of the year until what, 20 14, 20 15 when Serial came out. Which was, you know, a True Crime podcast. And it did. And it's just one of those magic moments where everybody had just been binging their asses off on streaming, like basically Netflix. And oh man, I watched all 18 seasons of Breaking Bad last weekend. You know, eyes like this, you know, house of Cars, it was all being released. You could, you could binge it all in One Go and Serial came out, which is, you know, true crime is very compelling, certainly to American audience. I think it's still the number one category or number close to it. And and you could not binge it unless you waited for the whole series to play out, right? So you could catch up with like three episodes, but you had to wait until next week to hear what happened. And that was the revolution. People were like, what do you think has happened? They, you know, it was water cooler talk and that just launched everything back into the stratosphere and it was going great. I mean, it was really, really rocking along. But Apple had kind of become the default on-ramp for podcasting. Like you had to be, you had to be in iTunes. Yeah. And that had two reasons. One, they, they were the leader where the iPhone had now come out and, you know, you had the podcast app on on the iPhone

Sir Gene: 25:09

but also, and you could finally get podcasts without using iTunes. You could do it from the phone

Podfather Adam: 25:15

direct. Correct. All, all, all great stuff. Mm-hmm. But more importantly for, for reasons that it was really their own issue of how their own podcast app Any other independent podcast app was using the Apple directory, which was open and, and was free to them, um mm-hmm. So, you know, always be wary of free And at a certain point, a couple things happened. It was March 2020. Mm-hmm. they started taking people off. There was a coordinated effort and the coordinated effort happened amongst all Silicon Valley companies. Apple, Facebook, Google. And they took off Alex Jones the X 22 report. You know, just whatever, just some, some nut job conspiracy podcast, who gives a shit now, took it off, but when you take it off the Apple Podcast infrastructure, it went away from Overcast and podcast. Yeah. Addict and everything else. Cuz that's what those guys were using. And that to me was like, hold on a second, we, Houston, we have a problem. So I called up my buddy Dave Jones, who we've been tinkering with stuff for 10 years at the time now, you know, and we've been friends, you know, just trying to build stupid shit that we liked and wound up using ourselves, you know, and we, we've, you know, I would have an idea every other year, like, Hey, let's, and Dave would go, okay, let's build it. So now I called up and I said, Hey we're gonna put together our own index. We'll have an api which is free for developers to use, we'll fund it, value for value, which at this time no agenda had really perfected the, the value for value idea. Mm-hmm. where you have the, the, in our case, producers supporting the show. So I figured, you know, it's not gonna be that expensive to spin this up over time as more and more people use it, we'll have to do better in our, in our income stream. And at the same time, it also found found the Lightning network, which is this, I call it Venmo for Bitcoin. So you can do really fast transactions very efficiently, cheaply which is all relative, of course. It's ama and any of these technologies is amazing that it works at all. And I said, and we're gonna bake this in so that so we can have a real time value for value exchange. Someone can say, I want to pay this give this podcast a dollar an hour. And the minute you press play, it starts spitting, you know, permit a 60th of a dollar every, every minute back to the podcaster. And from. Came a number of things, which is booster grams, which is very similar to the YouTube Super Chat. But also because just by technical definition of how you add this to, to RSS in a name space came the podcast namespace. And what I didn't realize is that for 10 years, the podcast industry had just been in iron, just blocked because no features would be added unless Apple added it. So if Apple didn't add it, then all the smaller guys couldn't use it. No one could have those features. So everyone basically sit around and go, fuck Apple man, no, we can't do that. Apple's not going to do blah, blah. And they had academies and steering committees and nonprofits that were funded to, to convince Apple and to move podcasting forward. And all it really took was just a couple of yahoos, like Adam and a have to sit down and just do it, and we just did it. Mm-hmm. And this, this, this, it was the uncorking of developer creativity. They just all flew in like, holy crap, I've been waiting to do this and I have this business and that business and this thing I wanna do. And that's when I came up with this idea of the splits. And this was, I think this is the revolution that is in podcasting 2.0. Which is completely compatible with any podcast at 2.0. App works with any old legacy feed and, and the new feeds work in legacy apps is that you as the podcaster can determine that a percentage of what you are given through streaming value for value or boosto grams can go to anyone you want in any percentage. And that way we could cut in the app developers who'd never been in the money flow. You know, Joe Rogan before he went to Spotify, his mi millions of dollars, you know, podcast addict didn't get any of that. Those guys were relegated to giving it away for free and the app store and then hoping to get a dollar 99 a month maybe for some premium features. And now all of a sudden they could say, well, I'm gonna take 2% of this, and it's all transparent. So everybody knows, and now we see this ecosystem of new apps, which are, you know, they actually can hire an extra developer. They, you know mm-hmm. there, there's a money flow that also enables investors to come in and say, oh, I can see you're actually making money with this. It's not a lot right now, but, you know, that'll grow over time. So a whole new industry was born, which was perfect timing because the podcast industrial complex, which is this, you know, go to podcast movement and any of these bullshit conferences where it's basically big companies spending weight or they were spending way too much money as kind of an E S G. Checkbox, like, oh, I need to I can fund a Bipo podcast and, you know, L G B T Q podcast and mm-hmm a global, a global warming podcast. And so as money flowing around everywhere, ridiculous amounts, then we got Spotify overspending on all kinds of podcast companies. And as you've known me long enough, the golden rule that I learned in 2006 with the company pod show, which I raised, can't monetize network, 5 million, can't monetize the network. I raised 65 million. It, it, it never returned to the investors. And I realized after 10 years the mistake was, it just doesn't work that way with decentralized media. And so now as people are crapping out on the vine, because the free money ride is over, the advertising is severely suppressed it's the first thing to go always is the marketing money. Now people are looking for ways, if they're really serious about podcasting to make it work for them. And turns out the value for value concept with 2.0 is a great way to do it. Yeah, absolutely. And that wasn't short, but at least I got it all in in

Sir Gene: 31:14

one go. No, you got, and now you can take a breath. No, that was awesome. I think it gives a good history of kind of how you got here, which is really very organically. I mean, everything you've done, you've done out of your own personal interest. Yes. And I, I believe selfishness is the key to innovation. When people wanna do things, to make it things easier for themselves, it makes it easier for others. And it quite often ends up creating something that wouldn't have existed otherwise.

Podfather Adam: 31:41

I have a little different take on it all these years later. Mm-hmm. I always used to wonder like, the rap guys would win an award, and they always say, and I wanna thank God. And I'm like, yeah, I'm pretty sure that was used for this this, this was my mission for whatever reason. This is what I was supposed to do. Mm-hmm. And and I if anything I, I can, I can motivate people, I can be enthusiastic, I can, you know, the podcasting 2.0 developers and I set up a Mastodon for that. You know, we have a GitHub, but I find it so boring, you know, you can't really have a discussion. In fact, that always results in people fighting and bitching Always. Why have Yeah. Always and then we fork it off. I'm gonna fork and we'll leave you. Yeah, yeah. So we have this podcasting. Yeah. Right. Podcast index.social, which is, it's social, you know, so we throw ideas around and just like one, 1.0, we have a podcast we do every Friday. Mm-hmm. and is it's podcasting 2.0. We call it the board meeting. And we literally talk about the development we're doing, and so. You know, we have a band and it's, it's an orchestra and we got a guy with a banjo, a washboard, a triangle, electric guitar, you know, a guy who drums, you know, with one stick. I mean, it's all these different pieces and you know, you just kind of, you know, just talk about everybody. It's easy, you know, and then mm-hmm. or bring someone in and we have in the board meeting and we'll talk about what they're doing. And again, I am really convinced that even though it's not that much, although it is kind of moving along now the fact that everybody can participate in the, in the flow of the value there comes back. So actual little bits of Bitcoin in Satoshi that I think is, is what, what strings it all together. I think that is somehow the motivator. Cuz anyone, anybody can, can get a piece of that with any project they're doing.

Sir Gene: 33:31

Yeah. And talk a little more about, like, you mentioned the split, but just for people that haven't used podcasting 2.0 apps, which by the way, I went in and looked at the apps. Now it's gotta be pushing a hundred at this point. I mean, it's a huge list.

Podfather Adam: 33:45

I think it's 73 apps and services. Okay. That that use it. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's at new podcast apps.com. You can see you can sit there, you can filter it by hosting companies or by apps. It's interesting because Right, finally people are starting. Experiment a little bit with different experiences, so not the typical, you know, inbox, here's what I've listened to, you know? Mm-hmm. here's what I subscribe to using it in different ways, and I'm seeing like no agenda show.net, our website, which is built by Tim CodeMonkey all of our stuff is done by our producers, you know, and they, he manages that completely himself. He has all these 2.0 features, like chapters and transcripts and all the, and location and guests and all of this stuff has now been pulled into that. So we're seeing it. It really, because it's RSS spreading everywhere in all these different cool ways. I'm sorry. You're, how, I'm not sure how that relates to splits. If, if you want to

Sir Gene: 34:38

ask Yeah. I we're talking about splits, but the idea is, the cool part of it is with the RSS being backwards compatible, somebody could be using the Built-in Apple app right now, download one of the podcasting 2.0 compatible apps. Mm-hmm. or Reload their same RS lists of podcasts. Yeah. Mm-hmm. in fact, I think you can export that through an OML file or something. Opm. Op P M L. Op. P m L, yeah. Yeah. Mm-hmm. And and then have a whole new experience that includes inter more interactive type features in ability to send. Satoshi's back, the ability to view images that are embedded in different chapters, having chapters at all. Yeah.

Podfather Adam: 35:20

There's, there's a big transcripts, trans, there's a, there's a big one now, which is cross app comments, and I'm very excited about this has been very hard to get this to work. But we're almost there. And the Id thanks actually to the Big Mastodon push you know, with the, with the journalists leaving Twitter in a huff, but they didn't really but, okay. So, but thanks to them talking about Mastodon, Mastodon, Mastodon under the Hood and Mastodon, which, you know, is just a client for what needs to be used to be known as oo social is activity pub. And Activity Pub is, you know, it's a published subscribe mechanism, which no surprise works like everything else. It all works like email ultimately. And so now you can make a comment on one app and you can read it and comment on that very post in, in any other app. And this is, this is what's really cool because you don't just have to be on the same app or the same, you know, commenting service. Mm-hmm. or good pods or whatever. You can do it right there in the app. And that's, I would say that is the big aha moment. Like, aha, but duh. As long as there's no friction. So you can send a booster gram to just like, the super chats we're seeing come in right from where you're listening to the episode. Mm-hmm. you can make the comment right there. You don't have to go with every, everything is contained in app and we've now perfected something we call Lit, which stands for live item tag, and that is essentially YouTube live. So mm-hmm. the app will alert you when, when when Grif cast is going live. You open it up, chatroom's there, live video stream is there and your boosto grams, which is equivalent to Super Chat. And we've been doing that with audio for about half a year now. And now we're we're succeeding. And Pod verse is the first one that does it pretty much perfectly because you have this HLC video format or video trans transport, which is chunks of video. And we don't have to get into it. But you know, so this isn't, we, we intend to provide an alternative. To YouTube live, unfortunately not with the with the free video hosting. But there's a solution for that, which Alex Gates has been working on it, no agenda to mm-hmm. And that's the web torrent. So, the minute you pick up the live stream, you are in essence relaying it to the next person who's watching the live stream. So it's completely, again, almost completely decentralized. Decentralized is right. Yeah. Fuck centralization. It's failed. It doesn't work. This is, we know this and if it does work, then you're heavily censored that that's the problem. And it's all advertising. That's the biggest problem.

Sir Gene: 37:59

Yeah, no, that's absolutely true. And, and definitely I wanna shout out Alex cuz he was one of the first guys I interviewed on this podcast. Yeah. And he's like the most quiet kind of demure guy that is just a genius. He, he, he just sees a problem, goes, oh, well here's how you fix that. Here, here's the solution.

Podfather Adam: 38:17

He's a gene. He is a certified Yeah, he's like 24. Yeah. Certified. Certified genius. I know that's blown away by him. And we call him the podcasting 2.0 consultant. Everybody has a nickname. Everybody has a nickname in our world.

Sir Gene: 38:29

No, it's very cool. And this is, I mean, like you said, you were kind of like your mission, but you've, you've definitely taken the deep dive into it. You do a lot of podcasts and I do, in fact, why don't you name all the podcasts you currently

Podfather Adam: 38:41

do? Yeah, I do. Too many. But it's cuz I really love them. So no agenda. Is the one that I do Sundays and Thursdays. We do it live but it, it is an Essence podcast. It's, it's audio only, will only be audio. It's about three, three and a half hours long, completely supported through the value for value model. All, all my podcasts are mm-hmm, So that's Sundays and Thursdays. On Wednesdays I alternate. I try to do MoFA, which is two American guys sit down. And we talk about what's really going on in the world, particularly from a racial standpoint. Moe's black Adams are white. We're both American dudes. We turns out we have a lot more in common than we don't. But we learn a lot. And certainly the first 80 episodes has been a lot more of me learning. Moe really puts it together. I thought I was pretty clued into the world and certainly that I, you know, I know I'm not a racist but when you really go through some historical facts and and just learn from another guy's experience, There's still a lot of really fucked up shit that is just mind boggling. And I learn a lot. You know, it's like Martin Luther King. No, no, no. It would be Malcolm X. That's the guy you want. You know, there's a lot of, a lot of horse shit going on in the, in the Black American community, which really is, is equally as bad for black Americans as anything else is happening. And so that to me is like going to school. You know? I love that. Moses Christian. So we, we come at it from an interesting angle together. And it's not always easy to get that podcast done. And we, the, the schedule is challenging. It's challenging for him for a multitude of reasons. Also. It seems sometimes like, you know, the, some force just doesn't want us to do it. I mean, if you've ever listened to the Bruce Springsteen, Barack Obama podcast, they ripped the idea off from us and they did a shitty job. I mean, it's really good. And you learn things you never heard before. Like Rosa Parks was basically the marketing version of the real thing. I mean, there's a lot of stuff. And, and even Kanye, you know, Moe, Moe has been able to explain Kanye very well and the age old struggle between black Americans and Jewish Americans. There's a lot of stuff that is just not explained very well. And he, he has an interesting take at the same time. We learn that a lot of the, a lot of situations are completely unnecessary because he thought he knew what I was thinking as a white man. And I thought I knew what he was thinking as a black man. And it turns out, no, it was completely stupid. It was exactly the opposite. And we were actually on the same page. So how society has, has really done a number on us on purpose. And so we alternate that for sure every 14 days I do Curry in the Keeper with with Tina, my wife. And you know, that really I need to thank you because she started with her first interview that she had done. She now she's a nonprofit maven. She's been in nonprofit, running nonprofit and doing communications for most of her professional life. Most recently Ronald McDonald House Charities of Central Texas. And she's now, as we say, semiretired from corporate life. And you wanted to interview her and she was really nervous about it. And she's like, why does, no one cares about me? Why does anyone want to interview me? And I said, cuz you're interesting. And she's, nah, I'm not. I said, well, I think you are. You know, I married you, you know, I didn't, wouldn't marry you. Well, I did marry her for her money, but still, you know, and, and she found out that, oh, I actually have stuff to say. I said, yes, you do. And it was probably also that you and I were talking, you know, succession planning. Like I need to, I need a backup plan, I need an exit plan. And that plan is Curry in the keeper. So we, we we do a show once once every 14 days. It's about an hour and 15 minutes. And, you know, some really cool things have come out of that. It's also valuable value. We get a lot of wine, a lot of expensive wine much more value than the Satoshis we get. But, you know, still it has about 9,000 people that listen on a regular basis and growing. And it's it's brought a lot of fun people into our lives and a lot of joy. And it's really fun. I knew, and this is what I knew from I used to be a Howard Stern fan before he went all, you know, woke. And you know, he was totally you know, he was the, you know, against the man. And I loved how he interviewed people. And he would have his wife at the time, Alison would come on and he would say, if you can just be honest, it'd be really cool. Just answer me honest. And she could never do that because she had to do all showbiz type answers mm-hmm. and be very cagey. And I knew that, you know, Tina and I could probably do this. We can, we can really speak open and honestly about our lives and what's happening and our relationship. And it really struck a chord really quickly with people. And so that's a very successful startup. And then the fourth one is podcasting 2.0, which we do on Fridays. And that's about it's about an hour and a half, two hours, which is the update of of what's happening with podcasting 2.0. Yeah.

Sir Gene: 43:19

So, I, I gotta ask, because I've think I've asked the last time I interview are we gonna get any, even just one more episode of Daily Source.

Podfather Adam: 43:30

You know, the problem with Daily Source Code is, and that show really morphed over the years into something completely different. And I really, a big part of it was music and, you know, just, I didn't wanna be made an example of you know, by playing licensed music or anything like that. And so I, I really just had to stop. What, what, what is interesting though is that the index, as I'm, I will rebrand it eventually. Mm-hmm. The index is now being set up for exactly that. So musicians are circumventing the the traditional system. They're going to places like wave Lake wave Lake, w a v l a k e who are now allowing you to release your music with, with with the value block, with a value for value built in with Split. So you can actually in real time be paying the writer, the composer, the, the bass player, the drummer, the singer, the roadie, you know, mom who invested in the, in the van, whatever. And so now people are building apps for that, specifically for that. And it'll work exactly the same way. And I think we could do this, we could do it for PDFs for books, you know, this is a much bigger revolution. And that to me, that really is value for value. Even set up a website, value for value.info value number four, value.info that explains the concept and has pointers to different places where, where this is happening. And I think that is the way of the future for for products that are hard to value. You know, it's like, what, what is a podcast worth? Well, it's really whatever it's worth to you. Not the person who's making it. What is a book worth? Well, you know, it's really what it's worth to you as a, as a reader. So we're changing, we're flipping the script on really on the creative model. If people want a sustainable business, and, you know, it's, that is much more interesting to me. I think we all get to a point where I can do a podcast and there's a a technical term called a remote item where I could literally play a song in my podcast. And anything that came in to my podcast for that, for that three minutes or whatever would be split up between me and all the splits of the person whose song I'm using. So that's, when that happens, daily source code will come back.

Sir Gene: 45:44

Awesome. Well, I'm definitely looking forward to that. Yeah, the whole split thing is very interesting. And because you're, you're effectively, you're doing a service to the people creating the podcast because presumably, let's say it was just a single transaction, somebody would then manually need to say, well, I'm, I'm gonna pay my co-host this much. I'm gonna pay, you know, the, the guy that rolled our jingle for the beginning of the music this much. But you're allowing people to do in, in some ways it's actually similar to what locals does, which. that without,

Podfather Adam: 46:19

without the centralized local bit

Sir Gene: 46:21

Right. But the, the fees, the fees are just based on the total donation. So it's all percentages. Mm-hmm. it's not like a fixed, you know, you're paying 50 bucks, no matter how many people actually listen to it kind of thing. Mm-hmm. It's, it's and, and not only that, you're also leaving that final control in the hands of the listener. So if you're listening to something that you don't like and you don't think it's worth any money, you're not paying. If you're listening

Podfather Adam: 46:47

to something, you're like, ask yourself. You gotta ask yourself if, if you find no value, what are you doing? Waste your time

Sir Gene: 46:53

listening to, well, you know, I, I think a lot of us have started things that turned out to be crap after watching or listening for a while. So that certainly has Sure, sure. Could happen. But the idea that then once you turn the spigot on, you say, Hey, I'm really enjoying this, this is great. It's, it's easily worth a couple of bucks. An hour or, or more to, for me to consume and the enjoyment that I'm getting out of it. Yeah, exactly. In that scenario, then they don't have to think about who gets what. It's, it's all done by the kid. The percentages in the RSS feed. Right.

Podfather Adam: 47:28

Correct in the, or specifically in the value block. Mm-hmm. you know, so we could, the feed is the source of truth. So whatever, whatever happens in the RSS feed itself, that's the truth. And that's just the end of it. So that's how everything is determined. What is important to understand is that this is a big a big learning moment for me when this happened 14 years ago as we had started no agenda, and we started with the typical why don't you subscribe for$3 an episode or$3 a month or whatever. Mm-hmm. with predictable results, you know, you get 300 bucks on a monthly basis. Like, well, we need more to do this cuz it's actual work. And then we just said, well, why don't you just pay us whatever you think it's worth? And, and at that time we had said five bucks or whatever and so we got still a lot of people with five bucks, but we got a surprising amount with 50 and a couple of 500. And I said, oh, so there's people who value this at$500, which may be a lot for them. It may be nothing to them. I don't know. I mean, the richest people I know are the ones who walk around with plastic bags. Gene it's not the guy who steps out of the rolls with, you know, yeah, I know some of those, but it's all like it. Cliff Bernstein, I'll never forget, he would come into M T V with a, with a, with a dagostino shopping bag and he was, you know, managed Metallica and all these huge bands. Very, very wealthy guy. And you know, he, he wouldn't give, well I always give beggars money, but you, most people would walk, would step right over him if you were in the. And so you really don't know. We've had donations, one off donation,$10,000 and one go just, and with, and they send you a note, like, and here's why. You know, why should I, you can't question that. So in a weird way, it balances out really well. Even though we know that the percentage of people who donate at all is prob, I think we're high, no agenda, probably about 4%, but in general mm-hmm. two to 3% of the entire audience are the ones that will donate. And so a part of the idea that we didn't even come up with is, is the idea of calling someone out. You know, the art producers as we, we don't call'em listeners, we call'em producers, and everyone has a responsibility. You produce with money, you produce with stories, you produce with time, talent, treasure, something you can do to help the show. And we have, everyone's an expert at something. So expert in weather, balloons and bullshit. We got'em expert who, jet fighters who fly, you know, F 20 twos, F sixteens, we got'em. So you can put it all together. But when someone isn't supporting the show in any manner, usually they're friends who have turned them onto the show. I e hit them in the mouth, they'll call them out as a douche bag, douche bag. And so you shame people into it. It works really well. It works. You know, big megachurch will tell you're gonna go to hell here. It's like you're gonna be called out as a douche bag. So, and it's, it's just as bad probably. I don't know which one. And then people want get deduced then they want to get deduced. Exactly. You've been deuced. So then they donate and they say, Hey, I, I need to ded douching. I gotta get that nasty douche off of me. So, and we didn't come up with a word, we didn't come up with the jingles the concept. It's all been the producers who are an active participant, which is a big part of today's media. It's an active medium. It, it, you have it. The, the people who are consuming it need to be a part of the production. It just, I mean, and it's the same here. We have the chat room, we have there's super chats where people are sending money and I'm sure there's all kinds of other things that are going on that, that make this whole thing complete.

Sir Gene: 50:55

Yeah, for sure. And I, I think creating not only podcasting from the get-go the way you did, but then a way to add more and more and more interactivity I mean that's, that's ultimately gonna be the legacy here. It's that you didn't just have a cool idea once and you know, light bulb blew up, but you've managed to get that idea to the next level. And that's something very few people actually do. You know, starting, starting a, a company because you were in the right place. And we've seen a lot of these companies, companies that, you know, the size of Twitter that really got big like a Groupon or something, and then they kind of fizzle out. But what you're doing right now with podcasting 2.0 I think is going to mean that podcasting in a lot of ways is no different than radio or television or you know, any, any other medium that's been created. It's, it's created and it's gonna last forever. There will always be some version of podcasting. The name may change eventually at some point, but this concept of having a, a network that can distribute video or audio in a non-live manner, it's, it's kind of batched up. I, I think that's gonna be, it's gonna be there forever. And you're ensuring that that's gonna be

Podfather Adam: 52:22

the case. Well, r s s is a big part of that. The, the beauty of podcasting is that the decentralization was really in the hosting companies. Mm-hmm. so there's just so many of them, so you can't shut'em all down. And it's easy to move from one to the next. The media files has become very interesting. You know, no agenda has a torrent RSS feed. We have an I P F S, which stands for Interplanetary File System. Feed. That shit will never go away. Yep. You know, there's all these places. For me, the legacy is that there's, you know, gonna be when I die, maybe 10 or 20,000 hours of audio, and people will be able to find it and hear what I, what I was thinking about. So part of it I think the legacy more is the value for value concept and the hammering of that, and turning the idea that, you know, you can, you, even the idea that you should make money with a blog or any, anything decentralized RSS related, that idea by itself is antiquated. You know, it just because you're doing something and you have a community doesn't mean that money has to flow, but value needs to flow. And f and what I'm doing, my personal, I'm 58. My personal mission in this is most of the people I work with are millennials. They're a little on the higher side, like in the thirties, mid, mid to late thirties. But even Alex Gates, who I guess technically might be a zoomer not sure he's right on the edge. I think he, he's on the cusp. This is a group. Was very disillusioned and has every reason to be. And that's partially my generation's fault. So in the eighties and nineties, I mean party time, baby, we were having to make money. We were doing all kinds of cool shit. Mtv, school board loser, couldn't get a better gig, you know, city council, you know, so that we didn't pay any attention to that. And then all this bullshit snuck in and you know, these are people who were born in like in the nineties. And so we had, when they were 10 years old, or just about middle school, we had nine 11, which is this huge siop of information and shit that happened. Forget the event itself for what came out of that. And then don't worry about it. Everything's gonna be, it was traumatic for adults, people of all ages. But imagine being in middle school and just confused about it then. Don't worry. We we're gonna smoke'em out and we, we, well, we we invaded the wrong country, or it was very confusing. Then, you know, as they're going into college or basically coming out of college with a worthless piece of paper, with all kinds of nutty over socialized, under informed education programs. We have the Great Recession. So, you know, if you could get a job, but firstly you see everyone's houses are being taken away and there's a lot of devastation. And then you come out and there's like$12 an hour jobs with a worthless piece of paper. Don't worry, we're gonna fix the financial situation. No, we didn't, you know, we just pushed out along until, until Covid basically. So this is a group of people who are in fact, politically agnostic or homeless, maybe a better way to say it and are, and are checking out of everything they're checking out of, of, of the establishment, out of the institutions. And this is a great way to build new parallel networks. So one of those is the Beef initiative beef initiative.com. And the whole idea there is you have to understand the. Producer to consumer relationship, rebuild that in a way that everyone understands value. What, what? You know, if I buy a steak at the, at h e b at the supermarket, what is its value really? What is it, what they, what am I getting? I don't even know what's in it. You know, go to the supermarkets, like all pretty colors and, you know, the same group of people is aiding shit and they're sick. We're a sick nation, sick world. We're just sick of, of eating chemicals and not actual animal protein. And there's no education about it on purpose, you know, and the, and that's only gonna get worse. So, Texas Slim came out of nowhere into my life, and he kind of is like me saying little 55, same age. And he's, I, I gotta do something about this. And he figured out that he's a rancher. You know, he understands ranchers are commodity cowboys. They, they don't know how to sell direct to consumer. They don't understand how to do that, how to market stuff. But on the other side, you have Bitcoiners and Bitcoiners understand value and they're willing to learn. So he connected those two, and now we have this, he's in Australia right now rolling out, you know, beef initiative down under or whatever. W we're making this connection between people who are delivering the core product and people who value that and want to understand it and want to purchase that. And we're doing it in Bitcoin. To protect ourselves from what's coming. you know, the financial de platforming is real, so we have to have, you know, that as a which I think is the only way, maybe Monero or, but you know, Bitcoin is certainly has, has been around long enough, has the, has the marketing has, you know, has enough, you know, a, a large percentage of Americans have, have touched crypto in one way or the other. So let's just call that whatever it is. But Bitcoin is very suited for this, particularly with the lighting network. So, schools there's all kinds of new crowdfund, like crowd health is you know, different ways of, of working together to ensure that you have some form of insurance for medical issues. You know, where you chip in a couple hundred bucks a month, and then if someone has, you know, a heart attack or cancer or whatever, then you're asked to chip in some more. And sometimes you can, sometimes you can't. And when you know, you have a reputation score based upon that and people can look at that, it's all transparent. And if, if you have a problem, an issue that's, you know, above your means, then people will hopefully come in and help you. You know, it's also very uniquely American in a way at this point. But I think it will spread it will spread all over the world and. So while that is taking place, you know, we're building these parallel networks. We need people to go into local politics and take back our city councils, our you know, our state houses. And we certainly need to stop focusing on who's the president or what's happening in Washington. Cuz it just really isn't that interesting. On, on a grand scale of what you can actually do in your own city, your own township, your own county or your own state. So

Sir Gene: 58:24

we're gonna see Adam Craig running for mayor.

Podfather Adam: 58:27

No Fuck no. No, fuck no. Too busy. Too busy. No, it's, it, it's, it's not, that's not my mission. I mean, my mission mm-hmm. Is podcasting. My mission is to is what I'm doing. I, I feel so comfortable. This is, you know, after, even after our project you know, I had a long chat with myself. I was day trading, doing all kinds of stuff. And I, and I remember that, yeah, I'm just, I sold 65 Bitcoin at$900 each to trade. What a fucking idiot. So I, that mistake was made and I've learned from it. I know my role, I, and I'm a communicator. I'm a podcaster. I know what I want to do. I know what I like to do, and that's where I'm comfortable. And I love working with, with, with the, with the millennials. I mean, it's a lot of fun. They're very smart. They're incredibly creative. They're, they're open. They want to learn. They want to listen. And I, and I probably learned more from them than they know. So, I, I mean, I'm in a good place. I really love it. You know, we moved out of Austin, we're in kill country, where life is just a little different. It's a little bit

Sir Gene: 59:29

a little bit, A little bit, yeah. A lot. Well, you, you moved outta California into tech, into actual

Podfather Adam: 59:34

Texas. Yes. Now, well, as I say here, I had to leave Austin to reenter the state of Texas. Yeah, that's, that's, that always gets a big laugh out here. People like, oh, okay. All right. You're cool.

Sir Gene: 59:47

Yeah. Now Austin is definitely not real Texas. And, and I mean, I've been in Austin now for 11 years, I think. And the change is, it's so huge. It's, it's a completely different city. I, I barely recognize that just because the roads are the same. It's

Podfather Adam: 1:00:06

about it. It's so funny because and it, I, it's funny. I don't know. Interesting maybe When I moved to Austin, which is now 13 years ago, probably. Mm-hmm. like a year or two before you got there. Yeah. The old timers would say, that's not what it used to be. It's all fucked up with these new people. And now, you know, I was there Monday I was for a quick lunch with max Kaiser and his wife. Mm-hmm. there was just, and I'll, I'll drive out to see them and you know, it's good for me to get out, you know, go back to big Smoke from time to time. And I'm just driving there like a lot of it's dirty. Mm-hmm. like really dirty downtown. It didn't used to be that dirty. It, it's busy. I understand that. But it all kind of happened when they threw those scooters down in the streets and the, and the city council went Okay. You know, that, that's kind of when it started to get overrun with just, people are there. Not for Texas, not for Austin. They're there to make money and, and get laid and go to nice restaurants and, and I'm ge I'm generalizing. Yeah,

Sir Gene: 1:00:59

obviously, I mean the, the, the bad stuff always kind of jumps out and it's becomes very evident. But yeah, Austin used to be, I always kind of described it as like hippies with guns. That was the Austin I

Podfather Adam: 1:01:12

moved to Cowboy, cowboy hippies would play golf and had guns. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Yeah. Absolutely. And, and that's that completely, that's pretty much gone. That's gone. Yeah. It's also, and you know, it's It's a university town and, and UT in Austin is very woke, very, very woke. So it attracts a lot of, yeah, it attracts what it wants to attract, you know, look at, look at everything. But then I see what happened with with Ice Mageddon where people's power, maybe just everyone's restored now after 10, 11 days. Yeah. And, you know, when I was there, how many times did I have to boil my water? Like, it seemed like every year there was a, a water boiled. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And then, you know what, it wasn't the grid that went down. Texas's grid is actually unique and quite good. The there she is. There's the keeper. Hi, What really? Come say hi, baby. Gene Gene wants to see you. Oh yeah. We're, we're doing our, we're doing the show live now. Here. Yeah. Here we go. Oh, hey Gene Hey.

Sir Gene: 1:02:07

How are you? No time to see her. Forgot what you look like. I know. It's been a while. I gotta

Podfather Adam: 1:02:10

get out there, you know. Promises. Promises. Yeah. Right. I believe it when I see it. Yeah. All right. Hi baby. Thanks. Oh, is Phoebe staying with me? Alright, babe. Phoebe's a dog. Yes. Quite the dog. And

Sir Gene: 1:02:22

I was there when, when you got that too.

Podfather Adam: 1:02:24

110 pounds of, of fabulousness here. Mm-hmm. But it was really poor management of the vegetation. You know, if you don't trim back the branches and and the ice heads and the branches break and take down the wires, that's just, what are they doing with the money? It's not. Cheap to live in Austin. Right. So it, it seems like a very typical liberal government or, you know, and it's not even the mayor, it's the city manager and it, I don't know, are people just stealing the money, not doing anything? Is it all going to consultants? Whatever it is, they're screwing it up. And that's kind of typical, you know? Yeah. For, and all, all of our institutions are bloated with, with middle management. E everything has to be reset everything, including, you know, our, our local, our local governments. Yeah.

Sir Gene: 1:03:08

So you're much happier, obviously in, in Fredericksburg in terms of the government.

Podfather Adam: 1:03:13

Oh, it's our city council has to be, has to be attacked for sure. There's all, there's all kinds of problems going on here. There's a lot of people working on it too. Mm-hmm. a lot of people were like, Hey, you know, we're gonna, we gotta watch out for what's going on here. But we have our own, well, so our water was fine. We have our own aerobic septic tank, so, you know, It's basically our own water processing plant. You could technically drink it, what comes out of it, but we use it for the lawn. We have electricity, but I have a generator and I have yet to have that thing be useful. It just The power didn't go out.

Sir Gene: 1:03:45

That's

Podfather Adam: 1:03:46

power. It works out. Just stayed working. Yeah. You buy the generator, you never, the power never goes out again. I know, I know. Well,

Sir Gene: 1:03:52

you remember the the big once in a hundred year storm that we had when you were still living here. Sure, of course. Where my power was out for seven days straight and I had to just keep boiling water to heat the, to heat the snakes

Podfather Adam: 1:04:05

theile room. Yeah, exactly. Yeah. We were really worried about that. I remember. I know, man, that was really scary.

Sir Gene: 1:04:10

That was scary. I had to do that every hour. So I, I I slept in 20 minute increments basically. But

Podfather Adam: 1:04:17

how is Tigre? Tigre is good. Oh, it's good. It's good. Yep.

Sir Gene: 1:04:20

Yep. He's, you know, sleeping as usual, 97 time dog. This is like a

Podfather Adam: 1:04:24

dog. It's no difference.

Sir Gene: 1:04:26

Yeah. Except till he'll sleep for four days straight without waking up. Right. Well, there's, and

Podfather Adam: 1:04:31

then he'll yawn. Yeah. like, oh, I'm tired

Sir Gene: 1:04:34

again. Yeah, yeah. But yeah, so then after that, of course I bought a generator because I wanna be prepared for the next one. And this whole time powered went down for like three minutes.

Podfather Adam: 1:04:44

and I, I looked at the, I looked at the map cause we didn't live that far from each other. Like yeah. It didn't go down where I were g didn't go down where we were. That was crazy.

Sir Gene: 1:04:51

Nope. And, and a lot of people you know, in, in surrounding areas were down for quite a few days. So yeah, it was for sure it was somewhat surprising cuz I assumed since it went down for so long last time, it's obviously a shitty area for power. And it turned out this time around it actually did not go down. So

Podfather Adam: 1:05:10

Jay, it was purely, purely vegetation management. You, you have away where

Sir Gene: 1:05:13

you live. So I think it was mostly me buying the generator. I think that's what

Podfather Adam: 1:05:16

changed the, I'm sorry. You're right. The universe once had, once you had the generator, that's it. Mm-hmm. That, that fixes it. So you, you still live. I thought you were gonna leave Austin. I've been

Sir Gene: 1:05:25

threatening to leave since before you left San Antonio. I know, I know, I know. I am still threatening to leave and I still want to move out and I think my latest idea is I want to, I'll probably be actually closer to you guys but I want to be far enough out where I can get at least five acres and then I wanna, I've never, never really thought about it, but I've getting more and more into this idea. I want to get a double. Sure. I wanna live in a trailer home. And

Podfather Adam: 1:05:56

why not? Not

Sir Gene: 1:05:57

effective. It's the modern trailer homes. Holy shit, dude. They're like my uncle Interiors

Podfather Adam: 1:06:02

look great. My Uncle X x m I t, you know, secret project, NASA scientist. He lives in a double wide. He loves it. Does he? Yeah. He loves it. Yeah. Oh, a lot of my friends live in double wides. you just gotta be careful because, you know, tornadoes, they, they seek, they do attract them. They, they seek'em out. That is true. It's like a big tornado magnet. Please. I want to be woke. Swept

Sir Gene: 1:06:21

away. Well, and that, that's the thing is it's, it's gotta be like at least five acres and then you got double wide, and then you gotta have like the three room underground bunker. That's, that's another thing. Like Kid rock. Kid

Podfather Adam: 1:06:32

rock has that basically, does he? Oh, nice. Yeah. Yeah. He has, he basically lives in a double wide mm-hmm. But the best thing, what people are doing now is you get your five acres, get a little more if you can mm-hmm. set up an RV park and then live on your RV park. Yeah. And you live for free. It's gonna be so many people. I mean, the rv Yep. Is just, I mean, around here, it's like the best business to invest

Sir Gene: 1:06:53

in. I mean, trailer Park Boys has always been one of my favorite shows. Great

Podfather Adam: 1:06:56

show. Great show. So, yeah. And, and it gets a bad rap, you know, trailer park. It does. There's great people, beautiful people who live in

Sir Gene: 1:07:02

trailer parks. Absolutely. And very creative people.

Podfather Adam: 1:07:06

everyone's so creative. Yeah. Yes.

Sir Gene: 1:07:09

I mean, that's the thing is I think just living more simply kind of forces you to think more like you did when you were young. Because it's so easy just to have the conveniences surrounding you. Mm-hmm. where you're like, nothing. There's no effort required for anything. Yeah. You need your food, they bring it to you. You need stuff. You buy all new, all

Podfather Adam: 1:07:31

that, all that shit's all that shit's. It's all going away. Gene is the, the free money right. Is over the, all the dashes. It's all going away. You know, everything's falling apart. Cuz the free money, the cheap money, the zero. Yeah. 0% interest rate is over now businesses and people have to stand by their, on the, on the value they create and the value they receive in return. So, this is exactly what we're preparing for. We're preparing our communities for this. And with community, I mean, like, podcasting is a community. Everyone needs to eat. I mean, yeah. I'm not gonna, I'm not gonna eat the fucking bugs. Yeah. I'm not gonna eat the fake meat. But it's coming brother. It's coming. They're gonna price everyone out of the market. You're just gonna have to Oh yeah. Take it. Or, or, you know, or you won't eat. You won't be able to afford it unless you have a direct connection. And we're gonna have to protect our ranchers too. Oh yeah. Who know, who knows how that'll go down. But I'm ready. I I will totally, I will, I will protect my rancher. You better believe it. You, you

Sir Gene: 1:08:26

know, Ben on just to get boys. Sure. Yeah. So. my plan is to have him. He wants to, he's getting into ranching. He's buying cows. I know. Yeah. It's cool. And he, my plan is, I told him, I'm, I got dibs on, on your first slotted cow. That's mine. So it's like, yeah. You gotta know people that everybody can specialize in something a little different. Yep. But you gotta have a community of people that can all help each other out, because nobody

Podfather Adam: 1:08:53

else will. That's the only way forward. Yeah. It is, is also uniquely the American way. Go read the Little House on the prairies. Mm-hmm. as ho, as hokey as that sounds. But Laura Engels, man, she wrote some ama, you know, it's like nine books or whatever. It was way different back in the day, brother. And, and Oh yeah. That's, you know, yeah. We, a lot of bad shit happened and how the west was won, particularly if you were native Indian American you probably got fucked. But they also, that was more political than anything. Everyone was kind of getting along or figured out how to get along, or at least to protect themselves from, you know, from whatever didn't work out well. Yeah. But the, the general idea, and this is also why we, I think as Americans got in trouble, cuz we're, we're nice. Which is nice. We want to help each other out and we don't want to, you know, it's like we, we, what used to be, we just disagree with each other and we wouldn't talk politics or religion. Now it's like that's all you're supposed to talk about and that's how you're identified and Yeah. You know, but I think the, the whole like L G B T Q l g b B T Q Q I A P K plus and Noodle Boy came about because, well, you know, they can do whatever they want. I'm not too bothered by it. You know what you just do what do what you want and we're nice and we don't make a big problem about it. And then this stuff got into schools and got in, deepened into our culture, into our children and our media and our corporations. And ultimately the money is the problem as it always is. You know, the, the, the well the control of the, of the, of the dollar, the printing of the dollar is the problem. Yeah.

Sir Gene: 1:10:34

Well, there I think we have a lot of problems. That's one of'em. But it's, right now I've never seen communism be talked about with more love and adoration in my life. Yeah. and I used to live in the

Podfather Adam: 1:10:49

communist country. I lived in a socialist country. Mm-hmm. and, you know, in

Sir Gene: 1:10:53

socialism, well, well I'm seeing here now in the US is like a huge swath. I don't wanna say it's the majority, it's certainly not. But it's a much bigger than, than I would've ever imagined. Swath of people. That see socialism at the minimum and quite often communism as the salvation to the United States problems. And

Podfather Adam: 1:11:17

that comes because of the free money, the money printing. Mm-hmm. if you go on, if you have unemployment insurance and you're, which you know, is three months or whatever, but you are making the equivalent in Texas of almost$70,000 a year on your unemployment. That's where the problem comes from. Mm-hmm. it used to be a lot harder. a lot harder. Oh yeah, yeah. For sure. You know, and you had to figure out something to do. And that's why, you know, we saw oh, 500,000 jobs added. Yeah, I know why. Because people are like, fuck, I need a job. The free money is over. I need to get out there and work finally. Yeah. Yeah. But they, they, the government, the money printers, they're not gonna, they're going, they're going to keep finding ways to print it and get it to people and control them. Yeah. And you know, George Colin was right. You know, they just want obedient workers just enough to push the buttons and move the paper.

Sir Gene: 1:12:10

Yeah. That's not uniquely American. That's always been the case pretty much since the civilization as you need people doing the work for you. Right.

Podfather Adam: 1:12:19

Yeah. So that's why I help to destroy the traditional media or decentralized media, because that's, that's where mm-hmm. you will get, you know, different, different opinions, different noise, different different different viewpoints. Yeah. You know, the media. In general as a category M five, m as we call it, on no agenda. That's it. It's a mind control mechanism. Everyone sees it. Well, not everyone 60% sees it, 30%, you know, is very aware and actively, you know, going away from it. Yeah. But it's a, it's a, it is a giant mind control. Giant is, you know, the Covid pandemic is the best example. Oh, absolutely. The, the best example since Weimar Republic and and the rise of Hitler. Yeah.

Sir Gene: 1:13:06

Yeah. There's, there's a, there's a benefit, and we saw this especially in certain liberal run states

Podfather Adam: 1:13:14

for the government, the way green, hold on. Green stash. I know. Who prints the money? It's easier to say it that way. Yeah. I'm not a person who thinks the government prints money. I know exactly how it works, bro.

Sir Gene: 1:13:27

it's some, the, the fun of interacting with the comments in real time.

Podfather Adam: 1:13:31

That's what it's for. Right? It's on my sCurry n. Yeah. So I'm gonna tell you, go fuck yourself right now, Well send some

Sir Gene: 1:13:37

money, complain with a super, he just gave you a little heart symbol back. Super

Podfather Adam: 1:13:40

chats. No, we want a super chat.

Sir Gene: 1:13:42

Yeah. Come on. Exactly. Send money, not, not, not water

Podfather Adam: 1:13:45

or blankets. Guys. Don't send water blankets. Just send us your cash.

Sir Gene: 1:13:49

Exactly. Exactly. And since we're doing the podcast recording on the stream there, Virtually no grifting going on. But if you watch our, our normal streams that vanga and I do it is the, the little sort of rule of thumb slash saying is that there are 10 minutes of grift for every 15 minutes of the

Podfather Adam: 1:14:10

show. Now define grift.

Sir Gene: 1:14:13

Give us money give us super chat, subscribe. Here's some products that we're shilling that you can buy and give us money. We've got a whole slew of products. In fact def Fango, if you're, if you're still near the computer, pop up the, the store. Oh. You all the products.

Podfather Adam: 1:14:29

Oh, alright. There's a tunnel product. See if I can get something in your store. If there's anything I can sell.

Sir Gene: 1:14:35

Yeah. It, it's there, there's a lot of stuff. He's done a great job and it's all,

Podfather Adam: 1:14:39

it's all him. So, like Darren O'Neill literally trolling you, he hates you that much. Yes. Oh yeah. Yeah. Why, what, what is, what happened between you two guys? What the fuck is Oh, we do a

Sir Gene: 1:14:46

show every week. No, we do a show every week, but it, you know, it's, it's a professional relationship. We just talked to each other while we're doing the show. Oh,

Podfather Adam: 1:14:53

okay. Cause I mean, I, I don't, I don't talk to, you don't how that guy either. Yeah. I'm no friend of Devor actually, you know? Duh. Okay. I understand. Yeah. All right. Alright. E

Sir Gene: 1:15:01

Exactly, exactly. And So, there's, there's the link of people wanting to see

Podfather Adam: 1:15:06

you guys crack me up. I love that. But love that.

Sir Gene: 1:15:09

You know, it's, it's, it's fun. You gotta have. You gotta have a little bit of friction. Otherwise, no one, no one's gonna be able to, otherwise

Podfather Adam: 1:15:16

not, not interesting. Lemme see grift cast.com/merch. Why is that link not working?

Sir Gene: 1:15:23

So what that link here, I'll, I'll pop it up here.

Podfather Adam: 1:15:26

B a grift cast il. What is this?

Sir Gene: 1:15:29

So Grift cast initially goes to the tree il, which is a link tree, which has all the links for the show. Different ways to send money, whole bunch of different ones. Oh, you love this. This is one of the products. What's what's

Podfather Adam: 1:15:43

the, what's the, what's your u url? Grift cast?

Sir Gene: 1:15:45

It's just grift cast.com? Yeah. Grift cast.com.

Podfather Adam: 1:15:48

Uhhuh Okay. Grift ca. Oh, I see. I misspelled it. The oh

Sir Gene: 1:15:53

grift cast com. I see. So this is one of the products we're schilling

Podfather Adam: 1:15:58

that we get commission. Another wait until Link Tree kicks you off. Why use all the centralized shit, brother? You're gonna get in trouble. I don't

Sir Gene: 1:16:06

what? It doesn't matter. It can change a heartbeats notice. It's we're not, we we're not big enough to build our own stuff at'em. For now, we're just using That's what, well, we'll get there. That's why you're producing. But this is, this is hilarious. This is EMMP Shield merch, but we, we do quite a bit of grifting for this stuff. They provide

Podfather Adam: 1:16:24

that you brought in from China.

Sir Gene: 1:16:27

No, no, no. That's, that's a different thing. That thing I gotta replenish. Those are filled out right now. The Griff Shield is a little device that you plug into your car, your vehicle, so that Emmp going off doesn't actually disable your vehicle. Is that for real? Totally. For real.

Podfather Adam: 1:16:41

Yeah. I don't see it on your, I don't see it on the merch store.

Sir Gene: 1:16:44

It's it's not in the merch store. It's a link. Do you not see it on the sCurry n? That's right. Like the main sCurry n, the shelf sCurry n I got right in front of you. Yeah. Go back to the browser of the studio. It's right in

Podfather Adam: 1:16:57

front of you there. Oh. In the private chat? No well above

Sir Gene: 1:17:00

the

Podfather Adam: 1:17:00

private chat. Grift cast I r l.com. That one. What I'm looking at, just,

Sir Gene: 1:17:08

do you see me? Do you see me

Podfather Adam: 1:17:09

anywhere? I see, I see you. And a very tiny in the corner.

Sir Gene: 1:17:12

Yes, I see you. Yeah. So the, the main page that you see is the, the private

Podfather Adam: 1:17:16

about, but I want, I want to get to that page. How do I get to that page? Oh, you

Sir Gene: 1:17:19

want to get to it? Yeah. Yeah. If you go to just grift cast.com and then from there you'll see links to different stuff. And this is one of the products. MP Shield. MP Shields. Exactly. It's just one

Podfather Adam: 1:17:32

of the products that you could have said emmp shield.com. That would've helped. Sure.

Sir Gene: 1:17:36

Okay. Okay. Oh, alright. We got coffee, Brent Coffee. Of course. We've got Dream Host. Yeah. The, the goal of the show is to basically have get to a point where we do 14 minutes of grift for 15 minutes of show. But we're not quite there yet. We're, we're still just working on it.

Podfather Adam: 1:17:51

So home generator protection. Mm-hmm. Yeah. Now

Sir Gene: 1:17:55

how does this work? Yeah. You actually probably need one of these. Just make sure you use the, the code.

Podfather Adam: 1:17:59

The code grift cast. Sure. So how does this work? Doesn't e emmp, doesn't that take out all the electronics? What will this do?

Sir Gene: 1:18:06

No. So this thing actually senses an, the MP going off and will provide a ground loop, but it's not a constant ground loop. Oh, yes, genius. It's a genius ground loop that only gets established in, in Casey and the MP goes off. Genius.

Podfather Adam: 1:18:22

It's a great idea. I know this something you would've come

Sir Gene: 1:18:26

up with government certified. It is exactly the kinda shit

Podfather Adam: 1:18:29

I would come up with listed by the Department of Homeland Security with no Right. Link's, no link. Mind you, of course not. fucking phony bullshit. Yes. Yes. Mm. How do you test it?

Sir Gene: 1:18:38

Well, the best and, and not only that, they have a, a, a$20,000 guarantee that it's gonna work. So in case any emp it doesn't work. That's

Podfather Adam: 1:18:45

not gonna, it does not work. It's not gonna be anything left For me to go get my money back isn't, that's not convenient. Yeah. Okay.

Sir Gene: 1:18:52

But so Yeahinteresting, we're, we're showing a whole bunch of different stuff, different products. And I, I've got, that's a funny product. That's a very funny product. It, it is a

Podfather Adam: 1:19:00

funny, that's a gag. It's a gag gift for you give that long, expensive G gift. He's a big wallet and an emmp shield. All right. I like it. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. It's, it's to get, I'm gonna, I'm gonna get that for the former New York banker for the next. Yeah. He'll need that.

Sir Gene: 1:19:14

He'll, he'll appreciate that for sure. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. But yeah, it's, it's fun doing it on the, you know, just kind of having fun while asking people for money. And amazingly people when they're laughing and having fun watching the show are also happy to give money. Yeah. So yeah, of course. And now what we're doing right now, like I said, this is, this is really just the podcast recording on the stream, not the typical normal stream show, which would be a lot more interactive. So I'm kind of ignoring the people on the stream right now for the most part. Normally I would be doing a lot more interacting

Podfather Adam: 1:19:52

with them. Is this, this is, this reminds me of the old Dutch radio pirates, and when I'm talking radio pirates, I'm not talking about the radio pirate stuff that I was, you know, we had our FM transmitters, we, you know, we were playing import records, we were really mm-hmm. against the establishment of radio. But the old guys, the, the who still are around, they would be in the way in the, what we call the the back corner of the Netherlands farmer stuff. And they would put up huge am fm all kinds of different broadcast stations. Mm-hmm. And they would just have the mic open. and they'd be taking phone calls while the record's playing, and then people are like, Hey, how you doing? Yeah, I'm doing, they were just, and I'm talking 40 years ago and it's still going on today. It is something about, it's the same thing. It's, you know, people being able to contribute to the product. Yeah. But, and that is, it's such a simplistic form and you're basically doing this, the exact same thing. You kind of look like them too. You need a hat really. Okay. Yeah. Cool. Yeah. Yeah. I, I, can I track share? Can I share my sCurry n from this thing or I

Sir Gene: 1:21:02

can't? Yeah. Yeah. You can click on the little share sCurry n button thing. Let me

Podfather Adam: 1:21:07

see if I can find okay. Lemme see if I can find what I'm, I'm talking about.

Sir Gene: 1:21:11

Yeah. And if you're listening on the podcast, guys, the, the stream recording screwed should be up. You're screwed.

Podfather Adam: 1:21:16

You're screwed. Why? What's going on? Let no, if you, if they're listening, they're not gonna see what I'm

Sir Gene: 1:21:20

gonna show'em. Yeah, but that's what I'm saying. Instead we're recording it. So they will be able to go to griff cast.com and then that'll take him to the YouTube link where you can see this particular episode.

Podfather Adam: 1:21:32

I'm just doing some searches here. Let me see if I can, in Dutch? Yes. In Dutch, yes. Let me see if I can find this. Now how do I do, I don't know if my computer can handle all this for the same time. It should be a

Sir Gene: 1:21:44

little sCurry n sharing button next to your camera

Podfather Adam: 1:21:48

button. Okay. Oh, oh, oh, oh. This is cool. Hold on. So let me.

Sir Gene: 1:21:53

And if it doesn't work, you can always space the link into private chat and I can

Podfather Adam: 1:21:56

pull it. SCurry n, sCurry n, sCurry n share. There we go. Mm-hmm. sCurry n one. Okay. Okay. Now about this.

Sir Gene: 1:22:09

So it's a YouTube video. This is, what do you

Podfather Adam: 1:22:13

got? This is them. I'm getting uhk

Sir Gene: 1:22:22

here. Pace the link in for me cuz I'm, I'm getting a little crackling on your voice when the video's playing and I'll pull it up.

Podfather Adam: 1:22:32

Yeah. Okay. Lemme stop this. Let me stop the,

Sir Gene: 1:22:36

I don't stop. Are you on starlink or something? Or what are you on?

Podfather Adam: 1:22:40

I have Starling. No, no, this, I'm just on a very, very small computer.

Sir Gene: 1:22:45

Put that into you. Yeah. Maybe it's the computer, not the connection.

Podfather Adam: 1:22:48

Leave the, hold on. Let me, let me wait, let me retype that. Hold on. Okay. Okay. This is all Dutch. That should, that you should be able, oh, I forgot the R. Okay. The A and radio. Radio pirate back backwaters 80. Okay. Yeah, I'm on a B link, man, that's like$199 computer. It's amazing what they do. That's really

Sir Gene: 1:23:13

amazing. And then what do we want to look at? Videos

Podfather Adam: 1:23:15

or yeah, yeah. No, you want to, do you want to paste that into YouTube? You don't want to paste that into just any old search you want. Yeah, I wanna put that in. Oh, there you go. That radio roa, Ramona. There you go. Mm-hmm. Oh, that's just jingles. You don't want the do want the, actually, you want the guys doing it. Oh, okay. You want to find, let me be on the side there. One of those. You can like stay on the side. What do you yeah, that one. No, not that one. No, that one. Well, yeah. No, no. He'll, they'll show you some for Fast Forward. They'll show you some of these guys. There you go. Oh yeah, there you go.

Sir Gene: 1:23:47

So they, now I have a four of you. There you go. There you go. That's, that isn't all that December from this,

Podfather Adam: 1:23:56

but you got wearing headphones. Oh, see, now they're getting, yeah. Somehow you've gotten into a bad algal loop. But anyway, the, there you go. And they just have, I mean, we did all this shit, but they're moving all this stuff. Yeah, they're taking it away. That's the, oh,

Sir Gene: 1:24:12

they're,

Podfather Adam: 1:24:12

they're taking away. Yeah. That you, well, anyway, that's the idea is okay. Okay. You know, they're just in living rooms and people would call in on the phone and they'd just talk away. Ah. I mean, it's kind of the same. It's the same thing. Nothing has changed except yeah. I mean, people

Sir Gene: 1:24:28

still have the same interests in, in you know, being able to communicate. Yeah, definitely. It, it's, it's wild stuff. But you kind of got your start, your interest, I should say. The start of your interest in Hollands with a was it your mom or your dad who gave you the radio?

Podfather Adam: 1:24:50

No, my grandmother gave me the radio, but when I, when I was 14, I built my first transmitter. Mm-hmm. And my mom drove me around the block to see how far the, the signal would go. And from there I was like, oh. And the kids were listening to it. They're like, Hey. Mm-hmm. we heard you hear your broadcast. So I, I built a mixer. I got two turntables, you know, cassette deck. I started to, to practice with my voice. And then it was a hospital a closed circuit hospital, radio station. Mm-hmm. that was looking and, you know, so that was legit. And they had really cool equipment. And it was professional studio. It was just, it was, the audience was the hospital. It was the patients in the hospital. So I learned how to be a, you know, I learned how to. How to edit and how to do stuff, and how to, you know, be a, a presenter as well. And I also learned a lot about patients and a lot about, you know, so, so what we would do, the, the ho you know, the hospital radio station there were three channels that people had a little ear, very like Soviet era, you know, there was plugged into the wall and you could little ear thing and you could listen to the three Dutch official stations, or Radio tulip, radio tulip that came from inside the hospital. And so we would go around the, when you had your show, you go around and you'd hand out request forms so people could request songs. And what we did is we went around and went to all the young kids, and then we brought'em because there were, the studio was in the corner of an auditorium, and so we could see the auditorium, we'd bring them down and we park all the kids with their beds right in front of the studio so they could see us. But they had, you know, they wanted to hear like Iggy Pop Lust for Life and, you know, they didn't want to hear the, the, the boring shit. And we would do bumper beds with them and stuff. You know, I learned how to re-insert an IV in those days. ooh, the kid's IV pops out. Hold on, put that back in. So, but it was really, it was the interaction with, with with the listeners. That was so fun. You know, I learned a lot about how, how powerful and and what deep level radio works with people and then how you can really integrate the audience with it, you know? Top 40 radio remotes doing it from the front of Macy's. You know, these are all things that people love. They like to be a part of it. They wanna be at the party, they want to be where it's happening. They wanna see what's going on, which is part of this incessant need to have video on on podcasts, which I despise as you know. Yeah. I know you

Sir Gene: 1:27:03

hate videos, so this is a, a huge exception you're making.

Podfather Adam: 1:27:07

It is. It detracts from everything. I don't like doing Joe Rogan video either. I hate it. I hate it. I really hate

Sir Gene: 1:27:13

it. But do you dislike it's less when it's in person than when it's the camera, or does it not matter to you? It's like you just don't want the video there.

Podfather Adam: 1:27:22

I, I just think audio's more interesting. Yeah. Personally. I mean, what, what, why do you have to see me when I'm talking to Joe? Right, right. You know, and I think a lot of people, they wanna see it, but they're really listening to it. And, you know, the YouTube app goes in the background or the Spotify app, whatever, you know, you're listening to. I think there's still a lot more listening, but that there's all, people want to see the pool boy, you know, want to see what the studio looks like, and they still have their imagination. I like just taking it much further, you know? Yeah. This is, this is my studio. I don't really want people, want people seeing my studio. I want them to think about, you know, make their own imaginary pictures as to what my studio is or what I'm wearing, or, you know,

Sir Gene: 1:28:01

but, but there isn't no agenda cartoon also that Now you, it's called, it's

Podfather Adam: 1:28:05

called Animated. No agenda. Animated.

Sir Gene: 1:28:07

No agenda. Exactly. Yeah. And,

Podfather Adam: 1:28:09

and that's, that's Dame Jennifer's thinking of what our studios look like. Yeah. Who's

Sir Gene: 1:28:13

a producer as well. And I, I love that she places you in this like really stereotypical movie type studio where, you know, records might be

Podfather Adam: 1:28:22

recorded. Right. And then Devork always has a train outside his window. Yes. Yeah. So, but that, that's what I like. That's for all the filmers. Yeah. That, that's her, that's her vision of, of of what it is. And it's

Sir Gene: 1:28:37

super cute. I, I like I like stuff that, I like freedoms. I like all the cartoons that, you know, like adult cartoons. Yeah, sure. Basically people do. And when you say your listeners are producers, you're not kidding because a huge swath of the listeners, I know, I've used that word twice now. A lot of the listeners actually contribute and not just financially to the show because they do things like Jennifer name Jennifer doing the cartoon version, doing the animated stuff. Tons of jingles. Like every, every show you probably have what, four or five new jingles they possibly, yeah. Yeah. It's quite, there's a lot of'em coming in. And you play'em at the end of the show episode.

Podfather Adam: 1:29:17

Were you, oh, you mean the, you mean, you mean let's just, I don't know if there was a came in. Okay. You mean the end of show mixes? Yeah, the clips.

Sir Gene: 1:29:23

They, they, what? Well, they're kind jingles. That's not right. The musical numbers. What do

Podfather Adam: 1:29:29

you wanna call jingle is show mixes. That's what they're called. Okay. I'll give you an example. Okay. Hold on a second. Well, yeah, I mean, it's, it's usually mixes of stuff that has been on our show in previous episode. But sometimes they, they build an entire story around it. I mean, it's really, so here's Chinese balloons. That's the moon. You know, Nina, anointed anointing. Mm-hmm. 90 red balloons, two Chinese spy balloon. Besides a three school buses has penetrated us airspace. Apparently the spy balloon flew over Alaska and then entered, but it could be as simple as something like this. Here we go. Wow. Wow. Wow. Just a lot of wows. Wow, wow, wow. Or you know, it could be a lot of

Sir Gene: 1:30:27

like, good John Clips are always funny people.

Podfather Adam: 1:30:30

They're always funny. Of course. Like state of the Union, you know. So we'll get nowhere

Sir Gene: 1:30:36

I, fellow Americans,

Podfather Adam: 1:30:38

it came together. The

Sir Gene: 1:30:39

past one in a agenda, one

Podfather Adam: 1:30:41

in a generation. This is my, this is the favorite from the past two episodes. Listen to this one said, the hip

Sir Gene: 1:30:46

hop yoyoyo to the hip hip hits you boy, big Joe, the America's Pimp Daddy Inchi. I've been rolling in my drop top, smoking that purse

Podfather Adam: 1:30:56

and spitting my favorite

Sir Gene: 1:30:57

bars. I like big butts in a camera. Lie

Podfather Adam: 1:31:02

you other brothers can't deny when a girl walks in

Sir Gene: 1:31:05

anybody wants. That's all AI in your face. You get you kidding. That was totally real and

Podfather Adam: 1:31:10

realized left. But he tweaked it with with that

Sir Gene: 1:31:15

gone, you can't touch this. That's right. Player.

Podfather Adam: 1:31:19

This

Sir Gene: 1:31:19

Jive Turkey guy game

Podfather Adam: 1:31:20

this.

Sir Gene: 1:31:21

And you can bump these beats

Podfather Adam: 1:31:22

too when you buy mine not to. Now we get away with the licensing because we played in context of the show, and that falls under fair use, which is why we also don't ever publish them because you know, by itself it's a complete violation. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Exactly.

Sir Gene: 1:31:37

There there's a ton of creative work though, that people send you that is Oh yeah. Tied to the show. One way or

Podfather Adam: 1:31:44

another. Yeah. So here's, here's, here's an example. Um mm-hmm. Yeah. This will pertain to you. Dunno, wear this fake news. Why don't you get put on the Ritz, put on the Ritz

Sir Gene: 1:32:03

dress, the,

Podfather Adam: 1:32:04

like a million before we have Donald loves Nazis. Donald loves Nazis, that he's kkk shout with it. Wow. And then an often requested by our Jewish producers up right this way up for the Shapeshifting Jews, you know, so we can make fun. Everyone can make fun of themselves. It's yeah,

Sir Gene: 1:32:39

it's a hoot. Yeah. And it's all stuff that people send your way and in hopes of being played on the show.

Podfather Adam: 1:32:48

Yeah. Most of the time we will but, but

Sir Gene: 1:32:51

there's very little reason. Some of these are a huge amount of work. Like people spend hours and hours putting something together that's 30 seconds or less.

Podfather Adam: 1:32:59

Well show people no agenda Art generator.com. Oh, yeah. Yeah. That's probably even more impressive. So that's a very good point. Let me pull that up. We, we change our album art for the podcast with every show. And the artists who are, some of'em are, I saw Roundy in the chat earlier. They're real professional artists, but also non-professionals. Is it.com or.com? No, agenda art generator.com. Oh, generat

Sir Gene: 1:33:22

Shun generates her generator. Yes. That would be better if I learned how to

Podfather Adam: 1:33:25

spell. And we, we can choose from, we can easily ch go to submissions at the top. We can easily choose from 10, 20 pieces every single show.

Sir Gene: 1:33:33

So people send, so these are all,

Podfather Adam: 1:33:36

they're making it while we do the show. They're, they're making in real time. Mm-hmm. most, yeah. In real

Sir Gene: 1:33:41

time. And so this, these are all original art. I mean, some of'em use elements obviously that aren't, you know, they license,

Podfather Adam: 1:33:47

they license, use it, use the pros, man. They license that stuff. Mm-hmm. if, if, if they have it, they license it.

Sir Gene: 1:33:53

And they're 481 pages of these things, man. 20,

Podfather Adam: 1:33:57

20,000 pieces of art.

Sir Gene: 1:33:59

And when did you start doing these? Do you remember how far back? Oh, we

Podfather Adam: 1:34:03

didn't start anything. Well, you someone started Fair enough. Sending stuff. Someone started it like maybe 12 years ago, 13 years ago, and then that kind of shit. The bed. And then Sir Paul Couture came in and he set this up. It was originally on headless Dr. Which didn't, you know, then we ran all kinds of scaling problems and then he, they fixed it and he built a new version and, you

Sir Gene: 1:34:25

know, so you have some Valentine's Day submissions here. Of course. Yeah, of course, of course. Yeah. So literally for every, every show you do, by the time you're ready to upload the episode, which you do very quickly after the end of the live recording,

Podfather Adam: 1:34:39

because we record live, there's

Sir Gene: 1:34:40

nothing to edit. Yeah, you don't do post

Podfather Adam: 1:34:43

It's No, because direct to tape. Direct to tape. And, you know, I, we have our sound, we have our processing, everything's good. Mm-hmm. the only thing, well the, there could be a technical issue that, you know, took us off air or whatever and, you know, sure. I'll splice that together. Should probably spend more time looking for the opening. We'll always play a little, a little snippet from the show, right at the opening. Mm-hmm. And then we go into our into our opening sequence. So we find that I put that at the beginning put the show notes in, which are, it's another fantastic system that I have for that. Yeah, all, all of this is people just have done it. Our website, no agenda show.net. Meet no agenda meetups dot just another fantastic thing. No agenda meetups.com. People just meet up all over the world and they can schedule it on their own, you know, on no agenda meetups.com. And we promote it. And then if they send a report, we'll play the report. Yeah. Which is

Sir Gene: 1:35:34

sometimes funny. You'll mention when meetups are happening, but then you also play audio clips that people recorded at the meetups. So this is, yeah. These are upcoming meetups in different locations.

Podfather Adam: 1:35:45

Here, here, here's a report. Valentine's Day meet up. Hey, this is Baron Scott of the new agenda, armory and keeper. Christine,

Sir Gene: 1:35:51

happy Valenti Valenti. Valentine's Day in

Podfather Adam: 1:35:53

the morning. This is Malik and I'm at my first meetup and I'm ready for my boo. Now this also like this one. This was one that didn't work. This is Sir Jake who was in Guam. He's a Submariner. Mm-hmm. this is Sir Jake coming to you from Guam in the famous horse and cow bar and grill. I'm here surrounded by lots of awesome submarine memorabilia and pictures of John and Adam, but that's about it. Nobody else was able to show up but I had a good time. Hate a steak or is rek. In the morning, John and Adam, so a storm shade night champion of the frozen wastes here for a post meetup report from downtown Revi. Yeah. So it's everywhere. All over the world. All over the world. And, you know, we'll play these, you know, we got a maybe two or three per per show. They're under a minute, you know? Yeah. And people love hearing them say, basically as you go around the room, everyone says their name or their, or their, their handle, whatever, and just say hi. And you know, people love that. And it's a, that's what, that's part of the whole system. Yeah. And you don't, and again, we didn't invent this Right. Invent

Sir Gene: 1:36:55

any of it. Right. All these things from the software that these websites are running on to the maintenance of the websites, to the data in them, to the images, the, you know, everything else is put together by the producers. Yes. Who really are producers. And then, because people, I think initially, if they haven't listened to the show, they think, well, so you just call your listeners producers because everyone's got some little pet name for their listeners in, in this case, there's a huge amount of people that both listen and do things that. that are used

Podfather Adam: 1:37:27

by the show. 100%. Yeah. Oh, I'd hate saying And by other listeners, five by five. Yeah. Five by five. Let see. Roger Roundy post in the chat and a art generator reminds me of the brainstorming session for advertising pitch meetings. Mm-hmm. It's even better than that because we also, when we, when we thank people during the show, we critique the art that we didn't choose. Here's why he didn't. That's right. Choose your piece. Which no artist ever gets to hear that. No, that's, that's it's, it's educational. They like it. They like hearing why we didn't pick their piece. I like that one. You know, and that's, you know, that's, yeah. It's a beautiful piece. But there were other good ones. Mm-hmm.

Sir Gene: 1:37:59

Yeah. I mean, the quality of art that you guys are getting for free every episode is amazing. It's not

Podfather Adam: 1:38:05

free. We, it's commercial stuff. We tremendous

Sir Gene: 1:38:07

value to these people. Well, yes, yes. I know. I know. But you know, you, you otherwise may have had to both provide a tremendous value and pay for the

Podfather Adam: 1:38:15

art. It would never happen. It would never happen.

Sir Gene: 1:38:18

Well, yeah. And most, most podcasts don't change their image every episode. And in fact, I don't know of a single one that does

Podfather Adam: 1:38:24

outside of No agenda Couple KA the Keeper does Now we, we do that. Okay. But it's, we have a similar theme. It's always two glasses of wine cuz that's the show started as us drinking right wine. Yeah. Yeah, so that's just, I mean, you can go to gitmo list.com I think. Let me see, is that it? Gitmo List? I think it's dot com. Mm. Oh. Oops. Oops. Didn't wanna do that in, in our browser window. That would suck. Gimo List. Well, let's do a search. Mm-hmm. gi GIMO list.org. Sorry. Org. Okay. And that's a pretty good, pretty good list of stuff that we have there. Different, no agenda. Agenda. No agenda. Entertainment experience. Jingles, Jisu, room meetups, newsletter novels. Pure Map player. You know, there's all kinds of stuff in there. All kinds of stuff. Yeah. And no agenda books.com and yeah. Anything we've discussed. I mean, it, it's great. It's, it's a, it's a wonderful community. And by the way, anywhere in the world, no matter what happens, one tweet and I'll be saved. Yeah. whatever's going. And when we had Snowmageddon, we had people in Austin helping other people out. You know, oh, this guy's stuck in a hotel. No power. He needs a sandwich, you know, and people getting him something to eat and mm-hmm. You know, cause we could still communicate. So connection is protection brother. That's what you gotta have, be part of the community. Absolutely.

Sir Gene: 1:39:50

Well, and the novels, I think it's fascinating too. Now, I haven't read any of these, but I've heard, as you've mentioned, as the different books have come out, but there are multiple books around the No. Gender Universe. Yeah.

Podfather Adam: 1:40:03

Themes. That's this guy's written three or four, I think. Mm-hmm. and he's. Quote unquote amateur writer. His books are quite good. Scott, I think it is Scott Mackenzie. Scott McKenzie yeah. You know, and he'll he'll send us a copy. And you know, it's always fun. You read it, you know, it, it's show related, has a lot of show related terms in there. Mm-hmm. it's hilarious. Mm-hmm.

Sir Gene: 1:40:22

Yeah. No, that's, you've encouraged that kind of stuff and I think people have really kind of opened up and let their creativity shine as a result of that. Which again, I think a lot of people just kind of assume, well, I want fans that will listen to'em, to ads that I play and buy those products so that I can make more money off the ads. And that's the extent of that loop With no agenda. You guys have no ads, but you've got this huge, tremendous network that's been created by people that are fans, people that are listening, and then and in fact become producers. And you correct. You totally not, you know, you're not, just not poster you, you greatly welcome it with open arms

Podfather Adam: 1:41:07

and Yes. And if I can be honest John and I are also lazy. We don't wanna do any of this shit. Uhhuh, And we'll say that we're, we're lazy. We're not gonna do art. We, that's not what we do. We do the show, if you want this. I mean, we, we, we, we started with one show a week and then people start. Producing so much, and we said, Hey, you want two shows? Well, we need a lot more art. We need more money. We need all these different things. And then people stepped up and we even tinkered with three shows. I think we did three shows a week for a while, but then the quality went down. We said, no, it's not good. It's not good. Yeah. Well, I

Sir Gene: 1:41:39

think it ended up frequent. I remember John saying it was just the work's not worth the paint So three

Podfather Adam: 1:41:45

shows a week is, wouldn't, it wouldn't surprise me if he said that

Sir Gene: 1:41:48

It's, it's a lot of, a lot of work. I mean, it's a lot of work for

Podfather Adam: 1:41:51

two shows. It'ss a lifestyle. It's not work, it's a lifestyle. I mean, I'm always reading right. My best sources are what comes in through email. You know, I have a lot of filtering and triaging for email. Mm-hmm. that, that's my best source. That that's where the stuff comes in. I mean, like Ohio Train, we got people who live there. Mm-hmm. you know, we've got farmers who are in the, in the neighborhood. They're giving us very different reports than what's happening in the media.

Sir Gene: 1:42:16

Well, and if there's anything in the media, even on the recent thing that I recall here, the. the controversy that surrounds thank you for

Podfather Adam: 1:42:24

saying controversy. I, that's the only way to pronounce it. the project

Sir Gene: 1:42:28

Veritas. Yeah. Everybody's just saying director. There's no info. There's no info. No one knows anything, but no agenda has info.

Podfather Adam: 1:42:35

The executive director is literally a no agenda. Barron. Yeah. Strike Daniel str, literally executive

Sir Gene: 1:42:41

director of Project Veritas.

Podfather Adam: 1:42:42

Yes. Of both the 5 0 1 and the 5 0 1 Mm-hmm. which, you know, I incorrectly made some, some assumptions and he immediately, and I said, yeah. And we even said, well, we hope str checks in. And he did. He gave us more information Yeah. Than anybody has in one email, you know?

Sir Gene: 1:43:00

Yeah. And that, that was not unique. There have been many instances where people Yeah. Chime in from places that you don't necessarily expect them to be everywhere. Yeah. And everywhere, you know, you've got Hollywood producers, you've got all kinds of, you'll, you'll,

Podfather Adam: 1:43:16

you'll, you'll even DM me during a show live. Well, I No, it's like this, it's like that. Cool. You know, that that's, yes. You have a direct line to me. Most people don't. Yeah. But yeah, that's how it works.

Sir Gene: 1:43:29

Yeah. And it, and it's, it does work because now you've been doing it for over 14 years and 15 years. 15 years. 15, yeah. And it's, and that, and that's not even your first podcast. I mean, that's the thing. It's the cool thing about being the guy at the very origin podcasting is that you're, like your second podcast is probably longer than 99.99% of podcasts that are in existence.

Podfather Adam: 1:43:54

Yeah. The the No Agenda show came about really out of my own disillusionment with what I was doing. I mean, we started pod show and what it resulted is, what it always results in is we had to create, we had to produce content as cheaply as possible. Mm-hmm. arbitrage it, you know, against whatever audience acquisition we could do. Make no mistake, that's how it works. Google spends 12 billion a quarter on t c traffic acquisition costs. Mm-hmm. so they're buying people to come and please look at our ads, basically. And then once you had done that, it was like building a NASCAR out of, you know, spare parts, tuning high, you know, tuning it to make a great show, a great nascar, and then you had to put advertising stickers all over the windshield so you couldn't see where you're driving. I'm like, fuck this. I left my own company for this very reason. No, this is, this is not what I want to do. I don't, I'm not interested in it. Yeah. And I,

Sir Gene: 1:44:46

I recently re-listened to, I think your third episode of No. And first of all, it was 40 minutes long.

Podfather Adam: 1:44:54

that long. I thought there were only 20, 25 or 30 in the video. I said, no jingles, no nothing, no bullshit, no agenda. Yeah. And now we're, we're three hours jingles, all kinds, but no ads. We never went to the ads.

Sir Gene: 1:45:06

No. And, and, and it really is the way that, I mean, if I can compare my podcast a little bit, it's the way that I started all of mine is just from, I was talking on the phone to people and, and after talking on the phone saying, you know, we should record this. Let's just record this because your your first podcast with John very much that vein same. It's like, oh yeah. Went to a great restaurant, had this bottle of wine, you know it, and the view out of my window is this abomination being built across the street. But I

Podfather Adam: 1:45:38

think what ha what happened with you is the same that happened with us, is the feedback you get from people starts to drive what you talk about. Yeah. And, and, and then they, you know, you're probably doing a lot more interactive with the, with the chat while you're doing it. Mm-hmm. And we have, we have the troll room, which is our, our version of the chat room, which, you know, you wouldn't know that because Darren kicked you outta because

Sir Gene: 1:45:57

I've been banned. Yes. I'm Proma Band out of the right. No agenda.

Podfather Adam: 1:46:01

And for years now, I, I treat the trolls in the same way. A bunch of assholes. I mean, totally. They're trolls. They're fuck wads. But we love'em, you know, and, and especially if, if they don't, you know, we're like, come on troll room, look this up, give me the answer. You know, and, and if they fail, then we scream and yell at'em. And they're trolling me. They're trolling each other. But it does help. I mean, there is, so I get a lot of good one-liners from the troll room mm-hmm. like really, really funny stuff. And I'll use that all the time without attribution. Fuck'em. They're trolls. Joe ga funny, Curring away, little trolls, curring under bridges and trying to hide from me. I see you Trolls. Yeah.

Sir Gene: 1:46:39

Yeah. No, it trolls. And it, it does work out great. And it is a, I think a high bar in the sense that it uses ancient technology and then people have to make an effort to get into the troll room. It's not just click a click a button, and, you know, that's already built into a platform or something.

Podfather Adam: 1:46:57

Shit hasn't changed in 15 years since 14 since void Zero. Put that up. Yeah. It's like, no, exactly. It's nothing. We, you know, we, we pay I think$500 a month for our bandwidth void. Zero. Mm-hmm. has just always markup andron in the Netherlands. He is he's always just set it up to help us. Yes. It's his value, you know, and he's, he's been, he's a friend now. He's a good friend now. He's, he's a great guy. I, I, I remember he's doing that just to keep it running, you know, keep everything running. That's his value that he, he delivers back. Yeah.

Sir Gene: 1:47:26

Yeah. And he's super, I mean, it's like longer than most employees have been around It's amazing.

Podfather Adam: 1:47:33

We, we couldn't even afford him if we had to hire him. Yeah, exactly. That's like, like podcast in 2.0. The people that, that the group of developers, if you could, if you could hire them, if you couldn't afford the payroll, would be astronomical. Yeah. And they're more honest with each other than if they were at a company. Yeah. They're much more honest. Like, this sucks, I hate this, I love this. They support each other, but they're also ver just honest, brutally honest. And that's the only way to go. Well, and I And you, you don't get that in the company.

Sir Gene: 1:48:00

You don't. And I, I think my contribution to that's now fairly enshrined for podcasting 2.0 is that all these apps now have a 30 seconds forward, 15 seconds back in their forward and back buttons. Because I, I talked to every single developer back a year ago and I said, oh, I love your app, but here's the thing. Wouldn't it be great if it could do this? Which I like in somebody else's app. I swear to God, I think all the apps I've looked at now, they've all implemented that kind of control, which is awesome.

Podfather Adam: 1:48:32

Well, your contribution was actually bigger than that. And I also want to mention your, I'm trying to be honest. Agenda contribution, but go ahead. Go ahead. No, no, don't don't be modest cuz I'm gonna give it to you first of all, and I say this with respect we have and we still use. The Gene's mom. It's like, my mom won't understand this now your mom passed. Mm-hmm. Yeah. But for a while it was like, yeah, but will Gene's mom be able to use it? Mm-hmm. that one. Mm-hmm. That we use that over and over and over again. So Gene's mom is still part of the legacy. The other piece of no agenda of the value for value model is very important that people know. So we had you know, we had already instilled the executive producer, associate executive producer level for each show. So if it's$200, two between two and$300, you're an associate executive producer. It's a real credit. Go look on imdb people register these credits there. Even Hollywood people who listen to the show, executive producers 300 or above, if in total over the lifetime of your contributions, which can also be$5 a month or a week or, or whatever. When you get to a thousand dollars, you become a knight. And we made that up and we have a nighting ceremony and it's the whole, you know, and, and we send you a ring a night ring. And it was in Austin. I remember it very well. It was on, we were still on what's the Travis Heights Boulevard. Yep. And we sitting in that corner, we had the bookcase and you said, you know, man, it's time to time to gamify this shit. And I said, what do you mean? He said, well, I'm a knight. I've contributed a thousand dollars. What do I do now? I have no aspiration. It's nothing I can do. Where can I go from here? Mm-hmm. And that's when we implemented the, the period. So you go from a knight to a baronet to a Barron. So every thousand dollars extra that you accumulate all the way up to Grand Duke. And that really excelled. The gamification factor that you a advised and gave, gave us has been, was, was, yeah. I mean game, game changing. Literally. That really changed the whole deal because it turns out people love this. They, they love parting with their money for something that they enjoy. And if they have aspiration and, and, and we're very open about, I mean, you can sit there and count and you know exactly how much money we made in each episode. No one cares, no one gives a shit. They're all happy. The thing is worth the value. So now we have, you know, we have a number of of Grand Dukes who have, you know really Yeah. Have supported the show over years with a lot of money. And that's because of your, your genius in that. And I'm very, John won't say it, but I'm very appreciative. Well, thank you. John will say he did it Yes. No, that was all you. And that was, that was a great idea. And you know, I've heard this replicated, I mean throughout so many shows, that gives use value for value. I gave

1:51:07

the

Sir Gene: 1:51:07

same thing to Brian Brushwood too, and he's done quite

Podfather Adam: 1:51:09

well for this same thing with Brushwood. Yep. Yeah. Do you ever hear from him anymore?

Sir Gene: 1:51:13

Yeah, yeah. Occasionally. Every I think I saw him, I was at a studio slash farm I guess about four or five months ago, and it was like, yeah, we go, we gotta get you on again. And then I don't hear from him again. I gotta bug him again. I think Brian has always one of those guys that's always had like 20 different pokers in the fire. And if you're not actively on top of doing something with him, there's five other people that are actually are, or

Podfather Adam: 1:51:36

trying to, and I don't know, I, I don't see much of his stuff anymore. Mm-hmm. I don't know. You must be doing TV stuff cause you're doing, must be doing TV

Sir Gene: 1:51:44

stuff. Well, it's all, I don't think it's tv, but it's a, he's always had multiple YouTubes. I know he redid, like back when we got together and I think this is, you know, fairly publicly known, but he definitely redid his company. Like he cleaned it out. Got rid of some people that were not necessarily the best fit. Brought in some new folks. So he's reinvigorated.

Podfather Adam: 1:52:07

Yeah. So good, good, good. Yeah, I always liked him. I like Bonnie too. How's Bonnie? You sure? Yeah,

Sir Gene: 1:52:11

yeah. No, she's good. That's that's kinda the hard thing. What you really notice is how, how the kids are like growing crazy

Podfather Adam: 1:52:18

fast. They're kids. Oh yeah. Well they must be driving by now. Yeah, I,

Sir Gene: 1:52:22

I I mean how old is she? I don't remember how old their, that's so crazy, man. The first, the youngest daughter, I, I think she is like, she's around nine, nine or 10 years old. And the way that Brian and I met was, I was the biggest donor to his Kickstarter, where the top donor level was getting to name his kid cuz she wasn't born yet. And

Podfather Adam: 1:52:47

Oh, that's how shithead came to be.

Sir Gene: 1:52:49

Yeah. Yeah, exactly. And And then I was like, there's no way in hell his wife's gonna let him do this. You know, he's just coming up with, now what do I do if people give this much money? He just came up with a crazy level that he didn't think anybody would

Podfather Adam: 1:53:03

donate then. And that

Sir Gene: 1:53:04

was it. Yeah. And then we talked and he's like, then he's getting nervous. He's starting to back off. I'm like, dude, I'm not gonna make you rename your kid. Don't worry. I'm just, I want to command performance though. I want you to perform at my venue of choice. Oh, right,

Podfather Adam: 1:53:18

right, right. Personally, I remember this vaguely. Yeah.

Sir Gene: 1:53:20

And the irony is I missed the damn performance cuz I had set it up and I was working in California at the time, so I remember that up in San Diego. Remember that too? I can't remember what the reason was. Yeah. I think I got gout. I think I had gout. That's what it was. Cuz I, I have had a number of gout inflammations. People don't know it's where your foot.

Podfather Adam: 1:53:37

Oh that's horrible. Gout feels

Sir Gene: 1:53:38

gout. Horrible. Gout is the worst. Haven't had it for, that was the last time I had it, in fact. So I haven't had it for like a decade and I, cuz I figured out what it was. I've, I've always liked eating like sardines and liver and like stuff that's, you know, like pickled organ meats, rush Russian shit. Yeah. Pickled organ meats basically. Yeah. Russian shit. Just say it apparently if you read the literature, that's the stuff that quite frequently causes a gout out there.

Podfather Adam: 1:54:04

Cause gout. Mm-hmm. Yeah. Mm-hmm. Yeah. It's inflammation. Like in Yeah, it sucks. It's hard. Yeah.

Sir Gene: 1:54:08

It's, it's basically what it is, is just a uric acid crystallizes in your blood and your blood moves slow. Through your feet. And so the crystals just kind of start to accumulate. You need to walk, brother.

Podfather Adam: 1:54:21

I keep telling you that. You need to walk. I do walk 45 minutes a day every day. Walk 45 minutes a day, drink about three days a week. A gallon of water. Yeah, I do. And

Sir Gene: 1:54:29

definitely drink a gallon of water. Water is always good. I was been the big fan of

Podfather Adam: 1:54:32

water, but I, I love you. I love your, your Russian eurotrash tracksuit, by the way. That's pretty fucking cool. Oh yeah. No, I'm spot,

Sir Gene: 1:54:39

I spot on. I've got one for every day now. That's, that's the whole,

Podfather Adam: 1:54:42

the whole that's on the show. Yeah. That's good. The, the look is good. I like your dresses. Was it your c can, what is that? Which one? You had a, you had a dress at one point, like a kaf can, a dress.

Sir Gene: 1:54:53

Yeah. I've had a lot of different outfits. I don't recall a dress.

Podfather Adam: 1:54:56

Not, not a dress dress, but like a Middle Eastern type. Oh guard.

Sir Gene: 1:54:59

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Sure. Yeah. I would occasionally Those, those look cool on those look cool on you. Well, beards go well with a lot of different types of clothes. Okay. For sure.

Podfather Adam: 1:55:09

It's the beard. I got

Sir Gene: 1:55:10

it. The beard makes the outfit. I'm telling you right now. Yeah. Somebody says I need portrait mode. I do. Cuz my, my beard is, you know, it's longer than Is it down to

Podfather Adam: 1:55:19

your crotch now? Oh yeah, absolutely. Yeah. You go out to, to, to eat with, with gene and you has to stick this whole beard inside. Like, and that the beard tech around. Yes. Yeah, yeah. A beard tuck. Yeah. It's

Sir Gene: 1:55:30

hilarious. It is. It's a thing. It's a real deal. Plus, I, I. at where my beard's at. I can sort of call virtually anybody else's beard. A starter beard. Yeah. To get these guys that have, you know, a good beard. And it's like, hey, nice starter beard. And they kinda look at me like, what? And then they see me and they're like, oh, mm-hmm. Yeah. Thanks. Pull the whole thing out. Yeah. Yeah. The only time I felt slightly inadequate with my beard was when I went to the the World Beard Competition back about five years ago. Oh, okay.

Podfather Adam: 1:55:58

I remember you

Sir Gene: 1:55:59

went to that. Yeah. Yeah. And I took a lot of photos there. I was like, holy shit. I have barely a beard. Not anywhere near competition level. No. I mean, there was guys with beards literally to their knees. Yeah. There were, there were people that had styled beards that had like a whole scenes from Star Wars made out of their beards. I mean, it's like, holy shit. people doing insane stuff. So yeah, I, I just, you know, like you mentioned, you were lazy for certain things. The beard to me, I started growing it when I got divorced. That was to me just a way of doing less work in the morning by not shaving. And yeah, the difference was while I was married I would do that, but then I would still shave maybe like every two weeks. So I had like the little short crop kind of thing going or goatee or whatever. But you know, when, when that became not an issue, I just let it grow. And it turned out that once it gets past about six inches, once it looks like a long. beard. Yeah. Okay. A lot of people actually give me compliments, so it's like, oh, that's awesome. You know, I've gotten a lot more compliments with the beard just from random strangers than I ever had when I didn't have a beard. Well, now yeah. And black girls like beards a lot.

Podfather Adam: 1:57:11

Let me tell you that. Welcome to Beard Talk. Mm-hmm. Beard

Sir Gene: 1:57:15

Talks. Have you thought about drawing a beard out at

Podfather Adam: 1:57:18

em? I started a beard for a little bit there, but it's not for me. It doesn't go fast enough. No, it's not for me. It takes a while. I, I also still wet shave, you know? I use a razor. Yeah. I like it. Yeah. It's part of, I like it. I like shaving every day. You like the, it

Sir Gene: 1:57:30

doesn't, doesn't bother me feeling. I, I will say the fresh face. Do you like the feeling that I haven't experienced for a long time of having a freshly shaved, especially at a barbershop with a straight edge and a hot towel. That is a great feeling. Yeah. The only time I get that is I get that on my head. Occasionally I will go to a barber and I'll do a, a a, I'll have'em do a, a head shave with a straight edge and then so I, I still get that experience without sacrificing the beard.

Podfather Adam: 1:57:58

Yeah. This is where we difference so many ways. Yes. So your

Sir Gene: 1:58:01

hair was always a big part of your image in the early part of your life. For sure. Of course,

Podfather Adam: 1:58:06

of course. Yeah. That, but that was, it was applicable. It was appropriate. Everyone had that hair. You know,

Sir Gene: 1:58:12

not everyone had the hair you had. I think maybe people

Podfather Adam: 1:58:14

tried. No, that's true. They did not succeed. That's true. My hair was was a thing of its own, had its own life, had its own its own its own place in heaven.

Sir Gene: 1:58:22

And I'm gonna assume everybody knows you were an MTV VJ back when they played music, but there for the one or two people that don't you can look up Adam Curry and you'll find some, some of the images back from those days. And then he had Magnificent Man of Hair. It was lioness,

Podfather Adam: 1:58:38

I would say. It was funny. I just I got an email from you probably won't remember, Lillian Ax, if you remember that band. Mm-hmm. It was on Head Banger's Ball. So I debuted their first video ever. Mm-hmm. on Head Banger's Ball in 1988. Those guys are still going strong. They look a bit like you with, with only black beards and they're, they're definitely metal. Mm-hmm. yeah. Rock slash Metal. But, you know, heavy screaming guitars and stuff. And so they just released their 10th studio album and they have a video, it's called feelings of Absent mm-hmm. And it's, it's a good song. These guys are still, and they're, you know, they're like, they're in the Louisiana music Hall of Fame, songwriters, hall of Fame. They've been very successful. Okay. And they reached out and said, Hey, Would you mind doing the intro to our video and refer back to the first time in 88. And I had a blast doing it, you know, so that video's coming out pretty soon. So it was me literally like, Hey, remember back in 35 years ago, these guys, so they're, they're still here, you know, and intro the video and it, that's wild. Team Tino was doing the video, the camera for me, Uhhuh And she's like, holy shit, you, you can just turn the button on and do it. I said, yeah, I can turn the, I can turn the MTV guy thing on mm-hmm. and do an intro at any point. You can wake me up in the middle of the night. I can still do it.

Sir Gene: 1:59:52

Yeah. No, that's awesome. And I, that was certainly my first exposure to you. It was watching MTV and although I was never much of a metalhead, but you were on there quite a bit, so. Yeah. Well, I, I

Podfather Adam: 2:00:03

Shows great. Yeah, I did. Yeah, I did shows beat besides head Banger's, ball. Mm-hmm. But I loved the head, head banger's. Ball was fun. Yeah. Lot of fun. And Yes, yes. Pyramid seven, Lillian Ax. That's

Sir Gene: 2:00:13

correct. The band name. Yeah. Mm-hmm. Yeah, they're here, I'll just flip, flip'em. I did a quick search for em here as well.

Podfather Adam: 2:00:19

No, you won't, you won't find the new one. I don't think

Sir Gene: 2:00:21

that's been released yet. No, it's not. I didn't, but that's the band, right? Those guys?

Podfather Adam: 2:00:26

Yeah. Yep. Lilian a.

Sir Gene: 2:00:30

Yeah. No, it, it's, it's fun reminiscing. But the stuff you're doing right now, I think is the most exciting out of everything

Podfather Adam: 2:00:38

It is to me. I mean, it, I, it's just another new period. I've done crazy things in my life. I ran up, I took a company public, ran it for a while. Mm-hmm. in all kind. I've had incredible experiences. Really happy.

Sir Gene: 2:00:49

And when you say took a company public, you had a company with a thousand employees.

Podfather Adam: 2:00:53

This is a real 700. 700. Yeah. All right. Close. No, it was big. It was big. It was

Sir Gene: 2:00:59

a real company. Yeah. It was a real company. It was not a you know,

Podfather Adam: 2:01:03

and it was pre.com, you know, which means we didn't raise a billion dollars, but we took, we were on nasdaq, think new ideas. Mm-hmm. we ran it. Profit. Shocker. That doesn't happen. Shocker. I know. How crazy were we? And then Mark Cuban walked away with fucking broadcast.com for$2 billion. Like, so that's, that's still living on that money. Yeah. You know, I mean, it's funny because I've, I was very wealthy at one point through some stock investments and that went to zero. And I basically, I, the money I had, I just spent it all I spent it on helicopters and castles and cosmetics companies and all kinds of interesting, fun stuff. And, but I've never worried about money. It's like, okay, if I have it, I have it. If not, and whenever I need something, it always shows up. So

Sir Gene: 2:01:46

I, I love that. I remember I was talking to Christina when she was here and talking My daughter. Your daughter. Yeah. When, mm-hmm. when she was talking about the castle days and writing a what are those things called? The little tractor? No, no, no. The the, the little thing you, you step on and you zoom around. Oh, the, the,

Podfather Adam: 2:02:04

the z the the zappy. No, the, no the ah, the Segueway. Segueway. That's the, we need, we needed to get from the kitchen to the living room. We needed the segueway far in the walk. We had to call each other on the phone. Where are

Sir Gene: 2:02:15

you writing a segue inside your castle cuz it's

Podfather Adam: 2:02:18

too far away. That was hilarious. That was fun. That was fun. Good times. Yeah, good times, man.

Sir Gene: 2:02:22

And that, and that's the thing is I, I have done, I have not done that, but I've done a lot of interesting stuff in my life and it's. It's always fun to do crazy things like that, but not let them define you at all. Like, you're not the guy that has to write a segue across the kitchen anymore.

Podfather Adam: 2:02:41

No, I don't give a shit I don't, I really don't give a shit about anything. No. You know, I, I love my wife, I love our daughters. You know, I have two stepdaughters. I love her dog. I love her friends. I love what I do. We're healthy. We have great community out here. I love God that that helps.

Sir Gene: 2:02:58

Yeah. That's, that's, so that's a new topic. I mean, I don't want to insinuate that you hated God in the past, but No, it's new for me. Certainly newly, it's a, it's a new topic that I've heard in your life, so yeah. You wanna talk about that a little bit? What happened? Yeah, sure, sure. No problem. I can

Podfather Adam: 2:03:12

tell you what happened. I mean, I'm, I'm new to this, so it, it also, it is all very new. Mm-hmm. Well, it's interesting because Tina and I both came to this at the same time from different directions. She was raised Catholic. Mm-hmm. which I don't think she was really ever in her veins or anything. But I woke up one day and I look around me and everyone I'm working with is a Christian Dave Jones from podcast in 2.0, Mo Texas Slim. And, you know, I, I started, said, oh wow. And, you know, from time to time it's like, so do you think with Revelation, like well really go into hell and fire and brimstone and, you know, I could ask these things and these guys would, they'd never pushed anything on me. It was never a big deal. And you know, Moe would say, oh yeah, I, I pray before we do the show. Said, that's interesting. You see, I pray we have a good show. And I decided about 11 months ago, maybe, said, I'm gonna look into this stuff, Mm-hmm. It's like, cuz I've, you know, I've nine 11 conspiracies, jfk. You, I mean, I am the conspiracy therapist. I, you know, moon Landing. I look into all this stuff and I read a lot and I, and I love it. And I come up with my own thoughts about stuff and I share them on the show. And I thought, well this is, this is a conspiracy theory. I've never really looked at Is this thing real? Was is God real? Is was Jesus real? Is he, was he? Is He. And I, and actually Tina and I were talking about that on our show. Mm-hmm. Korean the keeper, Korean the keeper.com. And so people started sending me stuff and listen, you know, there's tons of books and one of them is evidence that Demands a Verdict. It was really, it's not really a book. It's like an outline of all these things that prove that Christ was real. And you know, and I just looked at it purely from my conspiracy minded way. Mm-hmm. it's like, you know, I've read everything that used to read about, I mean, I'm a member of Pilots for nine 11. Truth, I mean, I know. I'm a pilot, so I understand a lot of these things. And you know, there's a lot of different stuff that just doesn't make sense. At a certain point you get to the part, well, you have to believe something or not. You weren't there. So like the moon landing, well, I was not there, but there's, there's no evidence. The worst part of the moon landing is that they erased the, the tapes of the moon landing. You know, it's like, okay. So yeah, that kind of tells you something, right? But then you look at what's been written about Christ. Yeah. No one's ever

Sir Gene: 2:05:22

gonna wanna watch that

Podfather Adam: 2:05:23

again. Who cares Exactly. Who cares? Just bulk it. And you start reading about Christ and you know, still the number one book is the Bible. And after three weeks I'm like, well, this is obvious by my standards of conspiracy theorist research, this is real. And so then I decided to commit to it and see how that felt. Mm-hmm. And we have a church here that Tina had had attended a couple times on Sunday, so I can't go, but they have YouTube live and it's a great show. I'm, it's like, and I, I even told the pastor, pastor Jimmy said, man, you got a great ass show. You know, it's, they, and he plays guitar as well in the, in the worship team, which is Christian for band for some reason. Mm-hmm. it's, you know, it's not a band. It's the worship team. And they got like eight man band, three singers, you know, it's pretty decent. Sound is good. And he relates the gospel to the message and, and I'm like, this is pretty interesting. And then something really cool happened, I was a guy in my life, Neil Jones, he's still in my life. And he had about two years, years ago, he started sending clips as a producer to the show. And he lives in Alabama and he was a custodian at a school. And, and he says, you know, you and John motivated me so much. I decided I'm gonna quit my job as a custodian, and I'm going, I'm still gonna do your clips. And just, he does great clips. They're the right clip. The clip custodian, clip custodian. He has the right clips, they're labeled right, they're the right length. I mean, he gets it, he gets it, he gets it, he gets it. And he would send, like, he still does 12, 15 clips a show. I mean, I don't play'em all, but they're all playable and, and he's a Christian and I, I dunno if we were talk, if we really just, he would say God bless or whatever on email, never talked. And then one day he says, Adam, I'm, I'm destroyed here. My, my son has leukemia just all of a sudden out of the blues, eight year old son. And I started praying for his son and he was like, you know, job the apostles sat with job. And I said, you know, brother Neil, I'm gonna sit with you. I, I'll be here. I can't do much, but pray and I'll be here for you when you're down or whatever, or whatever I can do. But I'm gonna pray. And in under a year, that boy is completely cancer free. I'm not saying that. God does this all the time, or that's how it works, or that our prayer necessarily ha to me personally, that was a, God said, oh, hold my beer. Let me just show you Curry Mm-hmm. I needed that. I needed to see that, I needed to, to have that experience. And, you know, it could come back. Anything could happen. But that, that really took me to a level of wow. And then I, now I read the Bible and I read I have a great study Bible. I read explanations and there's a lot of stuff I didn't know, and it's really interesting and, and incredibly fun. Mm-hmm. to read. And and, and you know, you, it's like having a 10 speed bike. A lot of people have 10 speed bikes all of a sudden So a lot of these, oh wait, you're a Christian. Oh, I didn't know that. You know, and it's just, it, it, it is like an interesting club that seems to be pretty big worldwide. And what was really beautiful and I think maybe this is part of what I, this is why I say podcast, you know, you know, the first podcasters who really piled on were podcasters. They were the first ones to really get it. Oh man, you know, I, I can't afford the cable TV channel or the satellite, but I can, I can spread the message the way I want to through podcasting. Mm-hmm. not saying that podcasting was only meant for for you know, for religious stuff. There's kind of another, another sub-theme that that was go. A thread that was running along here is Naomi only Wolf who we've played clips from throughout the history of the shows. She's super lefty, you know? Mm-hmm. Jewish, upper East Side, New York Elite. And during the Covid Pandemic Pandemic, she was sitting at one of those, you know, hedge fund manager dinners, upper East Side. And she heard these people talking with such horrible, saying horrible things about people and economy and, and she said, I know these people. They're not bad people. It must be evil. It must be evil that's taken hold of them. And, and I have this, I agree if there's evil, there has to be balance, there has to be a good, and what is that good? And she literally became what we call the Messianic Jew. She, she started to pray. She's become a Christian, which is really interesting. If you, if you're Jewish, it has a whole nother level of family and stuff that you have to kind of break through. And so, it has really enriched my life and I feel super happy. Not that, not like all of a sudden you, you pray or you, or you believe in Jesus, and then your life is great. But it does give you a perspective on things and, and history historically. It's really interesting. To see how nothing is new. Nothing is new at all. And so it's just been great and I'm learning is new. And so I, I went on Rogan and I knew that I was gonna talk about it because I knew that that was in me. I was gonna mention this to him, and I told a shorter version of this story. Mm-hmm. And I also knew that Joe would treat me respectfully and he would question me, and I kind of look forward to it. I want, what, what is he gonna ask me? You know? And I also said at one point, I, I don't know, man, I don't have an answer to that because I just, I'm new to this, but I can feel there's something in it. And the response to that is, has been nothing short of amazing. This entire YouTube videos were thousands of comments and pastors dissecting me saying this I'm like, so now I realize that people who are Christian believe in God. And maybe it goes for all religions. Mm-hmm. it's really, it's not cool to talk about it because, you know, by the way, you can shit on Christians anytime you want. You can't do it to Muslims, not for Islam or not for Jews, but you can shit on the Christians. And I think that because I don't have any of that weight on me, and I, and I'm already in a happy, good place. I'm a, I'm a, you know, I'm, I have had a good life and I look forward to another, you know, at least 40 years that people really took that, the heart, it's like, wow, if this guy can say it, then why can't I say it? You know, and it doesn't mean that you're, that you're, that you're a nut job or that you're a right wing, you know, hate L G B T and you know, anti-abortionists, you know, all these labels that are put on us mm-hmm. and and so I've just, it's just an outpouring of that's this mind blowing that people are di that pastors scholars are dissecting the conversation. Joe and I had and people are like, oh, I'm so happy. This is so cool that he said this. Also, I've been praying for you for 10 years that, that you, you would be saved. Like what? I, I had no idea. So, you know, yeah. That's kind of, kind of where I'm at, you know, and I'm, I'm not, I'm not preachy or anything. That's the last thing I want to be, but if people ask me, just like my friends who answer my questions, I'm happy to answer what I can. Mm-hmm. it's been great. That's, that's cool. It's been been

Sir Gene: 2:12:02

really fun. How, now, what was your family religiously when you were a kid?

Podfather Adam: 2:12:08

Well, I was baptized, so, I, I think we were probably, they weren't, I mean, my parents, we grew up and they went to they were Unitarian. Yeah. And we went to church on Sunday and I was like, I did not like that at all. And, and one of the worst things when we came to the Netherlands when I was seven or eight, they found their own Unitarian community. And I, I remember quite distinctly, we, one Sunday we got up at like two 30 in the morning. Drove for hours to go up on this. The Netherlands pretty flat, so you had to drive quite a way to get to the hill. It was a hill. And then we were all up there and then, you know, we watched the sunrise and someone had a cassette player, and while the sun rose, they played Kat Stevens Morning has broken. And that really, that really turned me off, brother, let me tell you from, from any kind of religion. And Kat Stevens this is like, no, this is not, what the hell are we doing here? This is not cool. So yeah. And I've really, yeah, I've always had respect certainly on no agenda early on, if, you know, you say God damn or something like that. Mm-hmm. I would get notes. People would say, Hey man, please don't take the Lord's name in vain. Mm-hmm. And we don't, we don't piss on anyone's religion. We've never have. We don't care. It's, it is not who we are. We're we're just what you do, what you do, whatever you wanna do. And so I've just always had respects, you know, one of our biggest donors is Muslim. Mm-hmm. And he has, and he'll send in a note, a synonymous of Dog patch and lower SL Ovia, and he'll send in a note and he'll when it's when it's Passover or when it's Yom Kipur, you know mm-hmm. it's like there's a lot of room for everybody. And I love that. And I think no agenda is really good in that regard. And I think we have a lot of Christians and Catholics who listen to the show because we debunk a lot of crap and we, we just, we've never, same, you know, we. I mean, John May say the blacks are the gays, but he's just old But we, we don't, we don't, we don't shit on anybody. And we have trans listeners, we have gay listeners, we have all kinds of I should say producers. And, and so it's really, it's really quite a diverse group. And so, you know, we don't talk, I don't talk about my faith on the show, on no agenda. I mean, yeah, it's like I wouldn't talk about a lot, you know, just lots of stuff. We don't talk. No. Who cares. Yeah. We're there to deconstruct media and have a good time. That's what it's about. Well,

Sir Gene: 2:14:25

and, and it's interesting too cuz like I met Mark, I took him and his girlfriend at the time, who's now his wife out for

Podfather Adam: 2:14:33

oh, mark VO Zero. Yeah. Mike Mark, boy Zero oh oh. Yeah. He went through quite the

Sir Gene: 2:14:37

transformation. Yeah. And, and I remember when you know, our conversations not very often, but occasional conversations. I kind of went from just purely talking about tech stuff and then started telling you he was in the aliens

Podfather Adam: 2:14:50

and stuff. He was using the OC, cult, aliens, all kinds of stuff. Mm-hmm. and all of a sudden Catholic, like Yeah. Like old school. Hardcore. Hardcore old core. Yeah. Really cool. Yeah. And so, you know, I, I I gave my testimony to him mm-hmm. and he's like, that's so cool. And let me tell you how important the Virgin Mary is. You know, he sent me all kinds of book. You know, this, it's different from where I'm at, but it's, yeah. I love that. I mean, I, I like reading stuff. I like understanding stuff. Mm-hmm. I like conspiracies, you know, so this is totally a pretty big one. You know, this is, you know, the guy said, like, Jesus said, I'm, I'm gonna, you, you know, be condemned. They're gonna kill me. I'm going to die for your sins. I'm gonna come back after three days. And and then I'll, and I'll come back and I'll show you. And he, you know, he, he came back and 500 people witnessed him. Mm-hmm. which is detailed in acts, you know, there's, at a certain point, like, you can only make up so much and just have to, all right. If I'm gonna believe that nine 11 was a total inside job, and, and I can sh point to the fake evidence, then I've gotta believe this too. I, I, I can't believe one and the other, particularly with the amount of evidence that, and, and well evidence is maybe the wrong word of writing about is scholars have dissected mm-hmm. this for, for thousands of years, thousands of years. It's still here. We, and look at all the language we still use. You know, when you hit that air pocket, you hear the whole plane going, oh God. Oh, Jesus helped me You know? So there, there's a lot. That's probably the most fun thing is reading. Like, I see you sting every breath you take, every step you take. Have you make, I see you sting. You took that right from the Bible. Mm-hmm. I mean, there's, there's words, entire songs, names, and best, you know, I love the names that have been used for products and I see where they come from in the Bible. This is, this is, it's, Hey, I'm 58. This is cool to learn this now.

Sir Gene: 2:16:42

Well, and I, I think it's, it is, you have to have such big blinders on to think that western civilization has not been the most impacted by Christianity above any other religions out there. Right. On. You know, if you are looking at China, obviously things are a little different, but but up un until at the, the recent few years, it, it really seemed like Western civilization was ahead of all the other civilizations in, not in terms of necessarily specific accomplishments, but in terms of the important things like the, the, the freedom of speech, the individual liberty, the You know, a government selected by the people rather than passed on

Podfather Adam: 2:17:26

from generations. How about the individual? The individual as, yeah, I mean, it used to, I'm actually working on a, with this on a couple of people how Bitcoin connects to God. And if it does, and it does in one way, and you know, if you look at before Christ, it was the family and land. Mm-hmm. the individual was not as important. That was to be married off, to connect, to join land together. Mm-hmm. Christ, Christ really brought the individual and the responsibilities into, into play, which of course, a thousand years later ultimately became the Magna Carter, which, you know, is now the genesis of the Constitution. And throughout that coin, cutting and clipping and control of money has been quite the issue. I was, I, I was talking to Max Kaiser about this mm-hmm. at lunch, he says, oh, I can help you with that. He says Bitcoin is Jesus 2.0. He says, God tried this Jesus thing. And and we made it a mess of it. So he said, I'm, I'm gonna try one more time. I'm gonna give you Bitcoin. You, you got it. It's gonna be there. They can't get rid of it. You guys run with it or not? That's that's the Max Geiser version.

Sir Gene: 2:18:27

Yeah. That sounds like Max Geiser. Bitcoin is everything. I

Podfather Adam: 2:18:30

love that That cracked me up. Mm-hmm. you know, but I, I, I don't mock it out of hand. I take

Sir Gene: 2:18:36

it into account. Yeah. Well, it's wild stuff. Well, I just glanced to the clock and know we've been running a good long time. You've been talking for two and a half hours, multiple. I'm happy, happy to talk to you, obviously. And we have talked for many more than just two and a half hours. Mm-hmm. But I also want to be sensitive to your time as well as,

Podfather Adam: 2:18:53

I'm just tired now. I'm just getting, I'm hungry. I want to eat something dog

Sir Gene: 2:18:56

needs to take. You got some steak in the, in the, in the fridge. You gonna cook up or whatcha you get on meat? You know, we,

Podfather Adam: 2:19:00

we, we eat burgers for breakfast, brother. I'm telling you. We eat, we eat. Nice. We're almost almost carnivores here. Tina. Awesome. Ever since she went on pretty much all, you know, cause there's lots of PSYOPs about meat, you know, red meat. Mm-hmm. you're gonna die. It's, it's cancerous. It's gonna sit in your system for years and it's sludge and all that. And you know, I've never felt so good as to Absolutely. We just really eating animal protein every, every single day. And we've cut out, you know, seed oils, all, none of that. Mm-hmm. none of that. And it's actually cheaper, you know, when we get it from K and C cattle. Yeah. And we get a, you know, like a third of a cow which lasts quite a long time for us. And they give all, all the cuts and the beautiful cuts. You know, we, we just, she keeps, she's making cool recipes, you know, try tip with coffee rubs and, I mean, you name it man. It's just, you gotta come out and have some meat with us. I will come, come share

Sir Gene: 2:19:51

some meat. I promise. I will definitely, I'll definitely come up for that.

Podfather Adam: 2:19:54

We have a railing now up to the suite so you won't fall off when you drink too much. So,

Sir Gene: 2:19:59

you know. Well, I don't, I'm still not drinking. really? You know, I I Oh wow. Took last year off. That was my experiment. Yeah. As I, I wanted to, cuz it, what I noticed is during Covid, I was hardly ever drinking. I maybe drank like four times during Covid and thought, well this, this isn't that hard. Let me just do a whole year. Cuz I know that, like, I've never really felt any negative stuff from drinking, but it is a poison, it's objectively a poison. Hey. Yeah. And so that's why we take it well yeah. And so I thought, well, let me just do a whole year and I did a year and technically I'm allowed by myself to drink now. Yeah. I'm getting round to it and don't know that I will, I may not drink again for the rest of my life.

Podfather Adam: 2:20:46

Yeah. You know, I, I get it. It's, I completely, yeah. So that's analogous to my weed stores. Like, I just stopped, like Yeah. I don't

Sir Gene: 2:20:53

really care. Yeah. And I don't, it's not that I didn't enjoy drinking Yeah. But it was mostly about the people I was with, not about the

Podfather Adam: 2:21:00

alcohol. That would be, that would be pretty, pretty logical. Yeah. Yeah. So

Sir Gene: 2:21:05

it's I dunno. But again, I'm, I'm obviously happy to see you guys and we'll do it in person. Get your ass

Podfather Adam: 2:21:11

out Hill Country brother. You're, you know, you're welcome. Anytime. Yes, I will. I will definitely do that. Don't let another 4th of July go by. Yeah,

Sir Gene: 2:21:19

I know. I know. It's and time's accelerating as you will know.

Podfather Adam: 2:21:23

That's the crazy part. The years are taking less and less time. How old are you now? You You're 52. 52? Yeah. Mm-hmm. 52. Yeah. Well, you'll never catch up.

Sir Gene: 2:21:31

Well, I can

Podfather Adam: 2:21:32

try. You catch up to me. Never catch up to me brother, than I'm now the oldest kid on the block. It's cra actually. Yeah. I'm the oldest

Sir Gene: 2:21:38

one now. Nice. I, it was about six years ago where I came into a company to run it and I realized that I was literally the oldest person there, and I wasn't even 50 yet. Yeah. I was like, holy shit.

Podfather Adam: 2:21:53

And they have a lot to learn these

Sir Gene: 2:21:54

youngins, don't they? Yes. Darren says 152. Yes, Darren. I'm trying to leave the one out just to make myself look younger, but it is technically is 152. Your, Hey, how

Podfather Adam: 2:22:04

many people, how many people are, are

Sir Gene: 2:22:05

watching us now? Oh, we're down to 54.

Podfather Adam: 2:22:08

Oh, man. I know. How many do you get in total on these things?

Sir Gene: 2:22:11

So it, it'll vary. I think we'll probably get 20,000 ish on this one. Oh, nice. Maybe more. The, here's the thing. I, this is, I'm recording a podcast. It just happens to have video. So I did not at all publicize the fact that you're gonna be on here. That's good. I told a few people, and I think one or two of those might have said something on Twitter, but for the most part, Like I didn't post on no agenda social. I didn't talk about it anywhere cuz I wanted, well I, it's the podcast episode that I want to go out there, not have a bunch of people watching the video, but obviously the video of this is gonna be online. That's

Podfather Adam: 2:22:47

how, that's how you do your grift. You gotta do your grift, you gotta sell your shit. I got it. That's right. I'm, I'm with you. I'm buy some of those emmp things. People buy one, send it to me. That's

Sir Gene: 2:22:56

right. They'll, they're expensive. I they're not cheap. They're not cheap, but, you know, not cheap at all. When you need one, you need one at all. Yeah. You never know. That's, that's the thing because you wouldn't want your generator to not start when you get hit by an emmp. I'm, I'm,

Podfather Adam: 2:23:09

seriously, I gotta look into the, I think the ground, I gotta look into the McKen, the engineering of it. Yeah. The electro engineering. But sounds, sounds

Sir Gene: 2:23:19

reasonable. It's, I think it's legit. It's just a product that for the most,

Podfather Adam: 2:23:23

I don't have anything. I won't have anything to power. I mean, everything else will be flawed.

Sir Gene: 2:23:26

I mean, you know, that will be done. It depends. Well actually lights. Yeah. Well, and I, I will give you some of the ponchos as well. I gotta replenish the stock here. But the the ponchos do block alpha and beta radiation so that, that provides some level of assurance. Yeah. Oh, absolutely. Yeah. It's well, well documented. You still gotta watch out for Gamma though, that, that might be a problem.

Podfather Adam: 2:23:49

Always on the lookout for gamma. Mm-hmm. Gamma is, is dangerous. For

Sir Gene: 2:23:55

sure. don't, don't do gamma radiation.

Podfather Adam: 2:23:59

Hey, kids don't do gamma. Not good. Yeah. Don't for not

Sir Gene: 2:24:02

good for you. Not good for

Podfather Adam: 2:24:02

you. Not good for you.

Sir Gene: 2:24:03

Exactly brother. Your teeth will fall out.

Podfather Adam: 2:24:06

This was fun man. I liked it long, but I like, but it's always good talking with you. You don't have to come by for a month or two. I'm tired of you. But then come

Sir Gene: 2:24:12

on by Okay, that sounds good. No, I'll, I'll definitely get out there. I know I've been saying that for like six months and, but the last time I was gonna come out I had a little emergency I had to go take care of. But I know, I know. We'll get one scheduled all. It's all good. Okay ma'am, and thank you for being on, dude. I appreciate it. Of course, of course.

Podfather Adam: 2:24:29

Thank everybody in the chat room. That was fun watching it all at all. Fly by a lot of people. I don't know some names. I do

Sir Gene: 2:24:34

recognize there'll be a lot more people that you don't know that'll watch this eventually and then they'll know who you are. There you go. Yeah. Cuz they all know me anyway, you know. Yeah, you're Sir Gene

Podfather Adam: 2:24:44

That's right. Knows. Alright brother. All right

Sir Gene: 2:24:46

man. Thank you. Do

Podfather Adam: 2:24:47

I just hang up? Do I just

Sir Gene: 2:24:48

leave? Yeah, you just, you could just close the browser. It's that simple. Okay. And he said poof. There we go. Then that was Adam Curry Hopefully you guys enjoyed that. Like I said to Adam just now this was a mainly a podcast recording, but this was the vi video component of it. So you guys gotta see the podcast get made. In i r l as it were. And then the episode will be out probably later today or if not then tomorrow. And then the, the video will be up. I didn't cover a whole lot of Adam's backstory, just a little bits and pieces here and there, cuz I'm assuming most people already know by now. I mean, he was on Rogan five times, the most recent, only a month ago. So there's a lot of stuff that you can get from his other interviews. But yeah hopefully everybody enjoyed it. And now a little bit of the behind the scenes before the recording started banter.

Podfather Adam: 2:25:47

Oh, I've

Sir Gene: 2:25:48

been I've been banning a lot of people from there. Although one of

Podfather Adam: 2:25:53

em has no, you can't ban anyone. You can block people from their account, but, but you can't ban ban only I

Sir Gene: 2:25:57

have the power You have the full power. Exactly. Mm-hmm. Exactly. So. First of all let me give you the link for the YouTubes which is very simple. It's just youtube.com. Now, where are you, where are you giving this to me? I'm gonna give it to you. It'll pop up in a private chat. Actually, I can post it. I mean, it's not gonna harm anything. Or I can put it into private chat.

Podfather Adam: 2:26:21

Oh, I see here. Oh, here? Yeah. Okay. What is this program,

Sir Gene: 2:26:25

restream? So this is a Restream studio. Mm-hmm. which is a purely web-based, very, very easy to use, I think interface for a live streaming. Mm-hmm. Did you send this link? I don't see the link. No. I'm still typing it. Hey, rich.

Podfather Adam: 2:26:42

There it is. Yes, I am. I am a indeed a vapor. Yes.

Sir Gene: 2:26:47

He, Adam is, yes. You've been vaping for a while. Well, we get into that. We'll, we'll talk about some of these topics. I asked, so there's a little bit of a fu bar. I, I neglected to like set up the stream ahead of time and post about it and get people, I mean, I actually tweeted about it, but

Podfather Adam: 2:27:04

I didn't set it up. That's, that's why only 36 people are watching. Exactly. I I feel so lucky. That's exactly right. Fuck you. Term of ban is back on. You're not allowed in anywhere. You're done, damnit. Done.

Sir Gene: 2:27:15

But, you know, hey, we'll, we'll probably be replayed on our tea, so it's all good. You just can't watch it in the United States cuz it's, man, that's all,

Podfather Adam: 2:27:21

Well, you, you, art is your stuff. You, you kidding, right? No,

Sir Gene: 2:27:25

I'm kidding. Obviously. I'm kidding. Okay. I, I don't, I don't have, I don't have that

Podfather Adam: 2:27:29

kind of pool dead you, you've com You've completely walked away from me. You, you don't come anymore. You don't drop by the house. You don't do, your note is down. You don't do 2.0 anymore. You're just completely, you're a YouTuber. You've been sucked in in, by the Borg. By the Borg.

Sir Gene: 2:27:44

I get sucked in by the YouTubes. That is true. But yeah, no, it's, I've been, been busy trying to figure this stuff out, doing stuff. Although we definitely need to get

Podfather Adam: 2:27:54

together and I know you also have no job. I don't understand what, I don't

Sir Gene: 2:27:57

have a, I know I need to get a job I seriously need a job. you just kinda get used to not working after a while. That's the's

2:28:05

the

Podfather Adam: 2:28:05

problem. This, this, this picture of me is very I know that you took that in Dallas. I

Sir Gene: 2:28:09

know that very well. I take Yes. That was in Dallas. Mm-hmm. that's correct. Mm-hmm. because I don't want to use, you know, somebody else's caped material. So I have to get a photo of you that, that I actually shot. You were, you have that look of enjoyment on your face in, in that photo.

Podfather Adam: 2:28:24

Yeah. It, it was a very enjoyable time in the cigar bar. I remember it very well. Yeah. It was nice. It was a, it was really nice meeting you. I remember, uh mm-hmm. we were very road weary. Mm-hmm. and, and you and you set us up and made us feel comfortable in Dallas. And that was highly appreci. And, and right then and there, I said, dude, this guy is some kind of government asset. I don't know who he's working for, but I like it.

Sir Gene: 2:28:48

Well, yeah, no, I, I, I, yeah, I think I had you guys stay in the, in the Marriott. Uh mm-hmm. in Plano then. Yeah. Yeah. It was, it was nice. Nice. Plano. Yeah. Plano relaxing. Good time. But it, I mean, dude, 2012, that was thir 11 years

Podfather Adam: 2:29:05

ago. Time flies. I thought it,

Sir Gene: 2:29:08

was it 2012? I thought it was. That's what the photo says. I'm going by the photo capture.

Podfather Adam: 2:29:12

It has to be, it has to be earlier than that because we moved to Austin, I thought in 2010. Yeah, you did. Maybe even earlier. End of 29,

Sir Gene: 2:29:24

20. But this, this was your, your drive up to Dallas. Mm. Okay. Which was certainly after you moved there. So this would've been back when you were still living on the lake house. At the lake

Podfather Adam: 2:29:35

house, yes. Mm-hmm. up at lake Travis. Mm-hmm. Sure. Mm-hmm. Sure. All right. Exactly. So how does this, so this is Grift Casts. Hi everybody. It's Grift Casts I r L. Yes. Which is clearly a, a wink and a nod to the, the pool boy, high Pool boy, which of course is also also stolen from T R L, which is originally Dial mtv, which is all, it's all derivative. Nothing is new anymore.

Sir Gene: 2:30:00

Yeah. So, defang, do you wanna pop in here or are you otherwise disposed? So,

Podfather Adam: 2:30:05

Wait, what? You gonna have another person

Sir Gene: 2:30:06

on this, on this show? Well, I'm gonna have him come in and say hi. I wanna introduce, so he's, he's the guy that's been running the YouTube channel forever, and we got to know each other. And he was also a guy that's interesting, was pretty active on the fed verse for at least for a while. Mm-hmm. But I don't know if he is in a whole lot these days. I know he got his Twitter account back. Who, who was this? Dago Manuel Dago Chavez the third.

Podfather Adam: 2:30:33

But I don't think, I don't think I know him

Sir Gene: 2:30:35

anyway. Well, I, well I, you, I've interviewed him. I know that, and I probably have mentioned him before, but I don't know if you've ever chatted with him directly, but either way. I didn't want to introduce him since it's, it's really, this is the evolution of the channel that he's been running forever. Mm-hmm. and I've just kind of, you know, snuck my way into but I think we've got a pretty good back and forth okay. Thing

Podfather Adam: 2:30:56

going on. There's, there's more people who are on the Grift Cast YouTube channel. Well, oh yes. It's actually my channel. Well, I started the Grift cast because I wanted to take it to the man, and by the man, I mean, Mr. Tim Pool. And it just kind of stuck. Actually it was Oh joke first. Your anti, your anti, your anti pool boy. Well, I mean, I was actually not anti pool boy to start with, but then he called me a gang stalker and said I had black SUVs and was like drugging people and taking their brains. So, you know, like I became anti pool boy Gene, what if you dragged me into, I know, right? What is, what is this? What is going on? There's a little

Sir Gene: 2:31:34

bit of a controversy going out here. Let me, let me get rid

Podfather Adam: 2:31:37

of the annoying background though. Oh, the cool thing is all we have to do is just wait for YouTube to take you all down. It'll just be all over. So that's, that happens occasionally. Can, can I still say like, uh uh, COVID was a scam. Demic,

Sir Gene: 2:31:52

Nope. Didn't hear what you were saying.

Podfather Adam: 2:31:54

This is why we do podcasting. Be careful. I can't say, and that's what we're gonna talk about. I can't say any of that stuff. Okay.

Sir Gene: 2:32:01

All right. Alright. This, this is not Joe Rogan on the private network. This is on

Podfather Adam: 2:32:04

YouTube. Well, hey, did you see the Joe Rogan had to censor me? I got censored on the last podcast. Did

Sir Gene: 2:32:09

you? I've watched a bunch of your clips from that show, but I didn't realize you were Well here. Let's officially start cuz then you could get into the story. Oh, we haven't started yet. Okay. Alright. This is the, the prelude to kind of let people filter in and, you know, get stuff

Podfather Adam: 2:32:22

going. Oh, okay. So you can cut all that out that I just said so no one gets in trouble. We'll be fine. We'll

Sir Gene: 2:32:28

be fine. We'll just edited in post and I made enough noise over it. Yeah, exactly.

Podfather Adam: 2:32:32

What's edit post? It's just fixing it in post is what it's called. We'll fix it in post. Yes. We'll clean it

Sir Gene: 2:32:36

up. We'll clean it up. Usually what I do is

Podfather Adam: 2:32:38

just cut out that one little part.

Sir Gene: 2:32:40

Uhhuh

Podfather Adam: 2:32:41

cut out the sliver of the thing. Now, Joe, Joe, they actually, they, they cut out the audio and, and wiped out my mouth.

Sir Gene: 2:32:48

They wiped. Oh, so they couldn't read your they couldn't read the

Podfather Adam: 2:32:51

lips. Really? Damn. Yeah. Yeah. Oh, I, I agreed to it. I said, yeah, you should totally do that. I don't want that to be the focus of three and a half hours of of talk. Yeah. So that, that's all it would be. So, yeah.

Sir Gene: 2:33:00

Totally. Well, that's the whole point of that. Okay. Let me just get started cuz at some point I gotta actually do the beginning of the podcast,

Podfather Adam: 2:33:07

so. Oh, okay. All right. Alright. Right. It it's the show. It's the show. Everybody. I'm ready.

Sir Gene: 2:33:10

All right. Here we go. I'll stick myself

Podfather Adam: 2:33:12

up here. you look, you look good Jean, by the way. Well, thank you. I like this. Look for you. Appreci. I like this. Look for you. Are those sand sanitizers?

Sir Gene: 2:33:19

These are AKGs 7 0 1 s akg. Mm-hmm. K 7 0 1 s. Yeah, those are cool. My favorite set of

Podfather Adam: 2:33:25

headphones. I have the audio technico, I kind of, kind of dig in those. Yeah.

Sir Gene: 2:33:29

Nice. Yeah, and they're, I remember used to have issues, so you could only use Sony's because they were the only loud

Podfather Adam: 2:33:34

ones. Well, you know my, well, we can talk about it, but my hearing about my hearing got fixed, so.

Sir Gene: 2:33:38

Yeah. That's awesome. That's an important part of it. All right, with that, I'm gonna sign off. Take care.