Sir Gene 0:15

This is sir Jean and I am joined by sir Ben today on our brand new podcast. Is it time? Should we

Sir Ben 0:24

it's time.

Sir Gene 0:25

yeah, just two good old boys.com.

Sir Ben 0:29

Yeah. We've even got a theme song that we need to put in at

Sir Gene 0:33

Yeah. Well, we need to get that finalized for sure. So this is our let's call this the, the first episode of the new podcast, but we'll call it episode zero. That way we'll have the theme song and everything plugged in. Ready for the next one.

Sir Ben 0:48

cool, man.

Sir Gene 0:49

Yeah. So what's different about this podcast versus what we're doing on searching? Well, one is Ben's computer is chiming. That's the difference? Usually he's a lot quieter than that. He feels a little looser now.

Sir Ben 1:01

Now that's my, my new phone. Trying to get it set up.

Sir Gene 1:05

Oh, you're setting up your phone while you're doing the podcast. That's so fresh.

Sir Ben 1:08

The man who groceries.

Sir Gene 1:12

yeah, maybe it's time for me to give, do some grocery ordering while we're in the podcast as well. So Ben we met up in person. Did you know that?

Sir Ben 1:20

for the second time ever.

Sir Gene 1:22

Yeah, for the second time we've been doing this show for like years and years now, but we've only met up. and it so happened that I was driving near And I said, Hey, do you wanna meet up get a coffee or something? And he said, yeah, I know it was a great middle Eastern place. So, I ended up meeting up with him in a it was in Iraq restaurant. Right.

Sir Ben 1:44

yep. Yep. The guys

Sir Gene 1:45

very, very conspiratorial to me. How we're meeting up in the Iraq restaurants.

Sir Ben 1:49

The, Hey, you know, we're out of Iraq now. It's not you know, it's not post nine 11, it's not enduring freedom. So, you know, I think we can avoid Gimo

Sir Gene 1:58

Yeah. Well, and honestly, there's a lot of Iraqs that got out of Iraq when the us got out of Iraq because they didn't wanna stick around since they were working as translators for the us.

Sir Ben 2:08

mm-hmm

Sir Gene 2:10

There's actually quite a few of those guys.

Sir Ben 2:12

yeah, the, the owner here, he came over. I, you know, cuz I I'm, I'm a social person, so I talked to him, he came over actually before we went back in in 2003 and interesting guy, Christian you know,

Sir Gene 2:25

that's his name?

Sir Ben 2:26

no, he, his religion anyway, interesting guy.

Sir Gene 2:30

so he came over before the initial Iraq invasion.

Sir Ben 2:33

Correct.

Sir Gene 2:34

Interesting. So what was he doing here then?

Sir Ben 2:38

Running restaurants moved over, wanted to get out of Iraq.

Sir Gene 2:41

How do you immigrate from Iraq as a restaurant on tour BA before the war,

Sir Ben 2:47

You know, I don't know. I don't know. I, I need to, we I'll have to dig in

Sir Gene 2:51

have to probe a little deeper, because that sounds very efficient to me. I mean, if he was an engineer that would make total sense, a lot of people went from Iraq, Iran to the us to study and then stayed. But as somebody in a, not particularly high wage profession like restaurant business,

Sir Ben 3:10

I'm sure you just came over as a refugee

Sir Gene 3:13

unless it's a front, but there were no refugees from Iraq.

Sir Ben 3:16

I'm sure there were.

Sir Gene 3:17

Uhuh, not officially.

Sir Ben 3:19

Mm, well, I'll have to ask you

Sir Gene 3:21

Yeah, you'll have to ask him because I, I'm very curious about that, cuz that's, unless you waited for like three years in the lottery pool or something to get a a permit to immigrate or something, but that's, that's, that's interesting. Usually it's easier to come from a country that the us is already invaded. There are much more lax restrictions than that.

Sir Ben 3:41

Yeah. If we're verbalizing you sure you can come over.

Sir Gene 3:44

well, no, I mean going all the way back to Vietnam, that was the case. Any country that we're, we're fighting in typically there are, I don't wanna say automatic, but essentially automatic lifting of restrictions on people moving to the us from that country.

Sir Ben 4:01

Well, at least far less restrictions,

Sir Gene 4:02

Yeah. Yeah. I mean, they're, I

Sir Ben 4:04

more opportunity. Yeah.

Sir Gene 4:05

yeah. So I'm, I'm still wondering when the Mexico invasion's gonna happen.

Sir Ben 4:12

just make it official. Just go ahead.

Sir Gene 4:14

Uhhuh. Cause if it's not us, it's China, man. They're making moves in Mexico.

Sir Ben 4:19

Janet's making moves all over the place forgiven. They've forgiven quite a bit of

Sir Gene 4:23

yes. I read that in Africa. Yeah. And, and using great PR to point out the fact that us has never done that.

Sir Ben 4:30

Yep. And but that said you know, more on war with China, Ja Japan just change their military authorization so that they can have longer range weaponry. So they're gonna be getting some missiles that can now strike into China.

Sir Gene 4:45

That is gonna end so badly.

Sir Ben 4:47

Japan is officially moving off of its defense only stance that this is the way Japan has been since the end of occupation after world war II and they're changing.

Sir Gene 4:57

Yeah. This is I, this is probably worse, an idea than anything happening in Europe right now, because China has a very not just China, mind you, but China for sure. Has a

Sir Ben 5:10

and Japan have a little bit of. Bad history.

Sir Gene 5:14

Well, I would say Japan has a bad history in China because that it. It wasn't that long ago that Japan was invading China. It was way longer ago that China was invading Japan. So I think of all the different places that China would not hesitate to nuke Japan is one of'em. There would be no tears spilled at the total annihilation of the island.

Sir Ben 5:41

Yeah.

Sir Gene 5:42

China doesn't see Japan as a place to conquer and occupy China sees Japan as people that are parallel to Nazis

Sir Ben 5:51

Well, and you know, Imperial, Japan, and this actually goes to Taiwan as well. You know, the, when, when Imperial, Japan decided to invade China first, they took over Taiwan. And basically, you know, the was

Sir Gene 6:07

yeah. Beachhead.

Sir Ben 6:08

aircraft carrier to beat him up with. And, you know, China obviously didn't have much of a military at the time anyway, so.

Sir Gene 6:15

exactly. But yeah, it's yeah, that's, that's a very bad move for Japan. That's it's kind of like Boris Johnson, like doubling down at every opportunity against Russia while at the same time saying that there may not be fuel for heating this winter for England.

Sir Ben 6:34

You, you mean like, encouraging the Ukraine to raid the sepia nuclear power plant while international inspectors were there.

Sir Gene 6:42

Yeah, absolutely. I mean, that's a brilliant idea

Sir Ben 6:47

what

Sir Gene 6:47

and not just once, but twice doing two raids during the time that inspectors were the first one as they're arriving in the second one while they're there.

Sir Ben 6:57

Yep. Yep. Brilliant.

Sir Gene 6:59

Yeah. With the idea being that they were going to demonstrate that they were capable of taking out the Russians and taking full control back. And then of course, once the inspectors were there, they would say, well, yes, it should stay in their hands. I mean, who comes up with this shit must be some kinda crazy cocaine fueled crazy thought happening in there.

Sir Ben 7:20

Well, I mean, it's just my God, it it's, it it's so bad. It's if you don't laugh, you're gonna cry. I mean, it's just it's comic relief at this point.

Sir Gene 7:33

It is a poorly written movie of the wick of the wick of the week. Not John wick. No, those are pretty well written movies I think

Sir Ben 7:43

Yeah.

Sir Gene 7:44

for were they're

Sir Ben 7:46

Yeah. I, I haven't watched any of the John wick movies.

Sir Gene 7:49

really. Have you watched any of the YouTube videos of piano Reeves? On a gun range?

Sir Ben 7:54

No, I know he learned to shoot for that movie or something.

Sir Gene 7:58

Oh dude, I'm gonna send you links. He

Sir Ben 8:00

not that you don't send me links all the time.

Sir Gene 8:02

I know, right. He's super impressive. Like he is very, very good. He's very fast, very accurate. He, for like, I think he's kinda, he's used guns in other movies and I think he was always kind of, you know,

Sir Ben 8:18

Oh,

Sir Gene 8:19

wasn't anti-gun let's put it that way.

Sir Ben 8:21

come on. Didn't you see his amazing gun work in the matrix. I mean, man, can Dodge bullets

Sir Gene 8:27

Yeah. And his amazing gun work in bill and Ted. But I think that he, he really took it to the next level and he kind of started pulling more of a Tom cruise with like, no, I am going to be the guy that actually knows how to do this shit for real.

Sir Ben 8:44

I wanna do my own stunts. Thank you.

Sir Gene 8:46

Yeah. Or at least my own shooting. And there's a funny one with him and, and Hallie Berry, cuz you know, she was also in that movie. No I guess the trilogy or something now, honestly I've only watched him like while on the airplanes. It's not a movie. I would go out on my way to watch, but I'll watch it.

Sir Ben 9:01

that means you've seen like

Sir Gene 9:03

I've seen like

Sir Ben 9:04

of the movie.

Sir Gene 9:05

I've seen, I think about six different flights. I've seen enough of it

Sir Ben 9:09

Do you, do you actually see, I turn off the in flight entertainment stuff as soon as I can.

Sir Gene 9:15

it's on my iPad. American is doing everything through your own devices

Sir Ben 9:18

Yeah. I mean, so as United and everything's moving away from the screens and

Sir Gene 9:23

Yeah. It's so much cheaper for them and you have a better quality screen,

Sir Ben 9:27

yeah. I mean, obviously, and

Sir Gene 9:28

so

Sir Ben 9:29

yeah, it's a server with movies on it. On the plane.

Sir Gene 9:32

yeah. And you pick your own movie and so, but they are providing wifi while flying for a hundred plus people, which is pretty cool.

Sir Ben 9:40

Yeah. For a fee nominal Fe. So not everyone's using it.

Sir Gene 9:44

Sure, sure, sure. That's true. Yeah, probably at any given time, maybe a quarter of those people, maybe 25. You're right. Yeah,

Sir Ben 9:50

I mean, I typically don't get the wi I, first of all, I just always have an audio book or something that that's what I'm gonna do or a

Sir Gene 9:55

you're flying Southwest.

Sir Ben 9:57

No, no, no. I fly United.

Sir Gene 9:59

Oh, okay. Good, good. Yes. I, I just, I can't, I don't understand people at fly Southwest. I honestly don't.

Sir Ben 10:06

I same here,

Sir Gene 10:07

It's like, Hey, I'm I'm gonna go from here to Los Angeles. I'll just take a Greyhound. Why, why would you take a Greyhound?

Sir Ben 10:16

oh, but man, you know, people, the people who love Southwest love Southwest, but I

Sir Gene 10:22

I know a lot of people with a net worth in eight and nine figures that fly Southwest. I I'm blown away. I'm like, okay, so you don't wanna fly private fine, but at least why don't you fly first class somewhere? It's like, oh, it's very convenient. You just walk up and get a. Yes. So it's a bus I mean, that's crazy.

Sir Ben 10:45

so for me, I, I like the boarding structure. So here's the thing, Southwest is for people who don't fly enough to have any status.

Sir Gene 10:53

Yeah.

Sir Ben 10:55

Yeah. Anyway,

Sir Gene 10:57

I like the boarding structure too. The first thing they say is, are there any active military board? And then when there aren't any, which there usually is none

Sir Ben 11:06

mm-hmm,

Sir Gene 11:07

let's say, all right, well, our platinum members and our first class pastors can board, I'm usually the first guy in line

Sir Ben 11:14

yeah. I'm, I'm always, usually group two. Unfortunately, I don't, I haven't been group one in a while, but it's it's building back up maybe by this time, next year. Who knows?

Sir Gene 11:26

Yeah. There you go. So, yeah, we got together. We had some Iraqi chicken, which is, well, I had the Rocky chicken anyway. I don't know what you had,

Sir Ben 11:36

I, I just had a hookah.

Sir Gene 11:37

Well, you had a hookup, but then you got a bunch of food.

Sir Ben 11:40

Oh, to go. Yeah. I, I ended up with the beef kebobs.

Sir Gene 11:42

A beef.

Sir Ben 11:43

Yeah. And then the, the kids and everybody get what you had, so,

Sir Gene 11:48

Okay. The chicken. Yeah. Chicken was pretty good. I, it, I still like the one, the chicken here at my local place, which I decided last night actually better, but nonetheless, it was pretty good. I have to say with all the. The cost cutting and increase in fees happening with food

Sir Ben 12:08

mm-hmm

Sir Gene 12:10

Uh, I think that middle Eastern food is one of those areas where you can still get a meal that doesn't contain a bunch of chemicals and plastics, and still has whether you like chicken or beef or whatever, just not pork obviously, but whatever different meats for a pretty reasonable price, not cheap, but certainly reasonable

Sir Ben 12:32

Yeah. And you know, the places like where we went and some of the places like you have around there. First of all, it's, they're all using halal meat. So it's high quality food, you know, it's high quality meat and, and it's usually a family recipe that they're cooking

Sir Gene 12:47

mm-hmm

Sir Ben 12:48

and it's usually pretty damn good. You know,

Sir Gene 12:51

Yeah. And what I like about a lot of these middle Eastern places is they will actually marinate the, the meat, whether it's chicken or beef or whatever, or lamb it'll be marinated. So it's got flavor throughout, not just spices, sprinkle on top,

Sir Ben 13:07

indeed.

Sir Gene 13:08

which is one of the things that I, I wish American food did better is marinating some marinating is not really popular in the us for some reason.

Sir Ben 13:17

I mean, it depends on what it is. Like I Bri my pork chops and I, you know, will Brian a chicken before I do a whole roasted chicken or something like that.

Sir Gene 13:28

And you'll brain it in what?

Sir Ben 13:29

So I'll make Abri which you know, is a by definition, salt water. Usually I'll add some citrus notes to it, you know, orange juice or something like that, lemon juice then I'll add whatever I'm gonna be seasoning it with. So for a chicken, I'll take like a Italian seasoning mix and I'll dump a bunch of that in there or herbs, or if I have fresh, you know, some Rosemary and say age, stuff like that, and usually let it sit overnight in the

Sir Gene 13:54

So that's basically marinating. I mean, I, I, I don't do the braining part, but I, I will definitely put meat and acid.

Sir Ben 14:04

mm-hmm

Sir Gene 14:05

Um, whether that's pineapple juice or some wine that's gone bad and starting, starting get a little vinegar that I happen to have. Cause I always save unfinished bottles of wine for that purpose.

Sir Ben 14:16

mm-hmm

Sir Gene 14:17

Um, lately I I haven't been saving anything cuz I haven't been drinking anything, but anything that's slightly acidic. And then I, I will put much of the same ingredients you just described in there, including some salt and then throw it in the bag or a container overnight. Bags work better, cuz then you can get all the air out of there cuz you Don you don't want to meet oxidizing.

Sir Ben 14:41

Correct. You want it in contact with the liquid.

Sir Gene 14:43

yeah. With the

Sir Ben 14:43

I agree with you that, you know, if you've got a piece of meat, that'll fit in a Ziploc bag or something, that's the way to go.

Sir Gene 14:49

Yeah. Or, or a a vacuum sealer, which is what I use. Then it's great because then you can, even, if you, now I usually don't do this cuz I'm too lazy, but I do have a Sovi machine, but then you can literally just take it right out of fridge and then cook it, cook it via Sovi.

Sir Ben 15:07

I've never cooked. Sovi I've never used that.

Sir Gene 15:10

It's great. But imagine basically doing slow smoker, barbecuing for everything.

Sir Ben 15:19

Mm-hmm

Sir Gene 15:20

So everything is super tender, but everything takes about four times longer to cook.

Sir Ben 15:25

well, I mean, that's the way I cook on the weekends anyway, so

Sir Gene 15:28

well, there you go. So then it it'd be very, very similar. One of the things that allows you to do is to cook foods that would require a long time. If you were to cook'em on the griller smoker, if you wanna get that sort of loose stuff, but doing it it's indoors without eating kind of smoke and then just finishing them. Either on the grill or what I do is just with a a torch.

Sir Ben 15:53

Mm.

Sir Gene 15:54

So you literally, you cook the meat for an hour in the SUID, which is SUID is just in water. So it's basically for people that aren't familiar, it's

Sir Ben 16:04

Tempera control.

Sir Gene 16:05

whatever, whatever it's for temperature control. Yeah. But it's whatever chunk of meat or whatever food you wanna cook, chicken, whatever. And in vacuum sealed just to get all the air out of it. So that you got as close a contact between the plastic bag and the meat itself. And then all of that is in a VA of water. And the Sovi is actually like for mine, I think it's a, I've got a eight quart container that it sits in, but it's basically just a, a heater. So the soused plugs into the outlet and then you dial in the temperature literally to the degree that you want. And then it will cook it at that temperature for however long. And you can look online for recipes for how long different things should take, but you can do things like what it prevents essentially is overcooking. It prevents drying out and it prevents overcooking. And so what you get is something that is that exact temperature all the way through and has never been any warmer.

Sir Ben 17:06

mm-hmm And the idea is that, you know, you're cooking to below temperatures that are boiling, obviously. But the idea is that you're using the amount of, you know, contact surface area, as well as the, the coefficient of the water that you've got it in to bring it up to that temperature at a more even rate than applying heat would be. So.

Sir Gene 17:31

Yeah, because if you wanna heat the middle of a steak, you using normal methods, like with actual fire weather on the griller, in the pan, you have to get the outside to be way hotter than the inside. Like the outside's 400 degrees to get the inside up to 125 degrees.

Sir Ben 17:50

Yeah, this is why I am a big fan of reverse sea. Right? So I cook my, like a, when I'm doing a steak out on the grill, I'll have my grill smoker, whatever you wanna call it down around two twenty, two thirty for, you know, 45. Well, however long it takes and I'm measuring the temperature with the probe. And then once it gets up to, you know, one 10 for my steak, I'm taking it off and letting it rest while I crank up the fire to as hot as I can get it and then just throw it on and see it. That's the way I like it.

Sir Gene 18:22

Yeah. And that's I mean, what you're kind of describing isn't that different from the so heat, except that instead of two 20 outside, you'd literally be keeping it at like one. The whole time. And so there's nothing on it. So you do have to sear it afterwards to make it look like it's cooked meat, even though it's fully cooked, it just doesn't look like it's fully cooked because it's never been above that temperature.

Sir Ben 18:46

Don't know how we went from Ukraine to, so, but yeah,

Sir Gene 18:49

well, that's usually how it goes. In fact, you know, like I've always, certainly in my younger day spent a lot of time in saunas as a very traditional thing. It's both for, you know, health for just relaxing after workout, sit in the sauna. And as somebody that grew up with saunas I I was very accustomed to high temperatures. So we would typically run the sauna at about a hundred seventy, a hundred seventy five degrees Fahrenheit, and Americans are, they can't stand that. Like they, they that's way too hot. So typically it's a good way to get all the Americans to leave the sauna is to crank it up to that temperature range. But it also occurred to me, this is, this is like you could literally cook food in, in the sauna just by having it on a plate,

Sir Ben 19:38

Well, you're you realize you're cooking yourself, right?

Sir Gene 19:41

but it's so good for you. You're not really cooking yourself because you're mostly water. So what you're doing is you're, you're doing the water is absorbing that heat. But as your body is battling the, the heat, your sweat glands are pumping at 110%, like, so you're, you're clearing out all the ducts in your skin through that sweat. It's it's really a good process.

Sir Ben 20:10

you, you can, we, we do live in Texas. All you gotta do is go outside and you can get that same level of sweat going. So

Sir Gene 20:16

It's well, it's a little cooler. I mean, Texas on a good day might get up to 120. We're talking 170. And then right after that, jumping into a, a snow or you know, ice water is really good

Sir Ben 20:27

Yeah. Yeah. No, thank you.

Sir Gene 20:29

Uhhuh. Well, I do a cold shower every morning.

Sir Ben 20:32

I'll tell you we, so when I moved to Idaho, you know, living in a small rural area, it was, I, I was the crazy Texan, you know, so we went a girlfriend of mine at the time wanted to go out on the boat and it was like, it was like October. And I said, sure, let's, let's go. So we get out on the lake and I said, you know what, screw I'm gonna, I'm gonna go water skiing. And everybody's like, dude, it's cold. What are you thinking? So I put on my full body, wet suit hat and everything. yeah. I had a wet suit on and every, the, the whole thing I did this to do was just to fuck with the guys who were fishing. So I'm skiing and we're going by people fishing and everything else. And they're just looking at me like, what the fuck you know, wave. And the wetsuit's fine.

Sir Gene 21:22

this?

Sir Ben 21:22

It cold, like right now, September, October and Idaho. Yeah. And anyway, the water in the water, you're fine. Right? Because you get the wetsuit. Well, what I didn't think about was how B, you know, permeable in the brain is someone I got out on top. It was just cold as hell, man. Anyway then the another time, this is how I got this reputation was I had taken my surfboard to Idaho as one. Does,

Sir Gene 21:50

that seems insane, but, okay.

Sir Ben 21:53

yeah, well, you know, it's whitewater rafting up there and all that. And I surfed the Clearwater river, which, you know, was all fine and dandy until my Scag caught a rock and launched me. But yeah, it, it was fun. Yeah.

Sir Gene 22:08

Wow. Yeah. That's sounds like you were quite the weirdo when you were living up there.

Sir Ben 22:17

Hey man, I, who wants to be normal

Sir Gene 22:22

Fair enough. Fair enough. Exactly. Yeah, I think I'm gonna order some food while we're talking here.

Sir Ben 22:28

that, Hey, that's save that for Friday show. Okay.

Sir Gene 22:31

Ooh. Okay. So I shouldn't be ordering food. Well, you got me thinking of all this halal stuff, I'm gonna order some beef warmer. I think

Sir Ben 22:39

there you

Sir Gene 22:40

cuz I always do chicken all the time. So maybe I'll do a beef thing this time around.

Sir Ben 22:45

Yeah. I, you know, I, I like the, as long as it's not too gamey, the lamb is always good at places, but you know,

Sir Gene 22:52

I have to. Yeah. Like I gotta trust it first before I go that route. You know what I mean? So let's see. What else? Oh, I bought a new gun.

Sir Ben 23:00

Oh, what'd you get,

Sir Gene 23:02

I really need to stop buying guns, man. I think last show we talked about my new gun. Now we're talking about another one, so I haven't picked it up yet.

Sir Ben 23:10

I, I, I, if, if I had the disposable income that you have, I would have a lot more guns than you

Sir Gene 23:16

you know, I'm unemployed. Right.

Sir Ben 23:17

yeah. Well,

Sir Gene 23:18

Okay. So yeah. So there's a, a gun that I've seen before, like a year and a half ago. And I calling thought, well, that's kind of neat, but it's a little bit of a, nah, I like, I don't really need one, but for some reason, I guess I, I stayed up too late at night looking through websites and I ended up running across a site that had one of these in stock and I was

Sir Ben 23:43

you still haven't said what it is yet.

Sir Gene 23:44

oh yeah, well, okay. So it it's a, an AR 15 pistol. So it is basically just a, you know, shorter barrel, shorter. It's not a stock, it's a hand brace arm brace, whatever they're called, but it's basically an AR 15 type gun, but there's one interesting bit that makes this gun somewhat unique. Is that in this gun, the barrel is folding. So it, it has a folding barrel. Yeah. It's from a company called fold. AR if you wanna go look at their website and you know, there's a lot of different stocks that have a folding stock, right? Or a folding brace, like those are fairly common. They're usually about 150, 200 bucks. Thi this actually has a folding barrel. So the barrel will fold at the point where it, it meets the frame. And that makes this a much more compact folder than simply having a folding stock.

Sir Ben 24:54

so there, did you, did you hear about the ATF,

Sir Gene 25:01

I

Sir Ben 25:01

the leaked letter from the ATF talking about amnesty

Sir Gene 25:04

of the reason that I'm doing this honestly, is I'm

Sir Ben 25:07

you want to get a, you wanna get a door knock by the ATF?

Sir Gene 25:11

No, I'm, I'm gonna send checks for all these guns to ATF. But part of the reason that I'm trying to stuck up on guns that have braces right now, let, so let's finish this gun talk and we'll move on to the ATF thing. So anyway, the bottom line is compact. And since, as Ben mentioned, the ATF is changing laws. Once again, even though they're not really lost, cuz they were never passed by Congress, they're just made up rules, but they're rules that get to be enforced by the point of a gun. Therefore they're essentially laws and they're gonna remain laws until somebody actually challengings that. Then it goes all the way up to the Supreme court, which will then say ATF is unconstitutional and all this shit is nonexistent. At least that's the hope. But I, I dunno, it's just it, I think it's like a 10 inch barrel, 11 inch, nine inch, something like that, somewhere in that range. So when you fold it in half, it's basically the whole gun is like 15 inches, maybe 17 inches, something like that. It's pretty compact. It's, it's bigger than a pistol when it's fully folded, but it's much smaller than any other AR that that's out there. So anyway. Okay. So as far as the ATF, what Ben's referring to is there has been some leak documents that show the ATF is in December planning on implementing a change, which makes all braces be treated as short barreled rifles.

Sir Ben 26:44

Well, essentially any AR pistol with any sort of brace on it, not a bare buffer tube. And even considering you could technically shoulder a buffer tube, it looks like they're going to redefine what an SBR is yet again. And if you remember the history of this, when the braces first came out, it was okay, that's legal, but don't put it on your shoulder and then it was not legal. And then it was okay, it's legal. And we don't, you know, the position on your shoulder doesn't matter. So they've gone back and forth on this a few different ways,

Sir Gene 27:18

depends. Who's in the office. Yeah.

Sir Ben 27:20

yeah, but it's been, you know, the AR pistol has been a thing and been around for a long time now

Sir Gene 27:26

Yeah. I think I, I remember 25 years ago, maybe even 30 years ago, AR pistols.

Sir Ben 27:32

well, and you know, here, here's, here's what I'll say. The ATF is getting ready to make millions of gun owners, legal gun owners, felons overnight. If they do not comply with the

Sir Gene 27:42

you, you saw how many million, right? There's there are

Sir Ben 27:47

4 million, some on like a,

Sir Gene 27:49

over 10 million braces sold in the last five years.

Sir Ben 27:53

Yeah, I was talking about specifically AR pistols, but like the link I just sent you, you know, there, there are AK versions. There's lots of different things and you know, people are using this and I'll be just honest. I, I, I really think anyone who has an a AR pistol, isn't using it as a pistol. They're using it as an SBR, which is fine. I don't think there should be a registration item for a short barreled rifle. That's insane.

Sir Gene 28:16

Totally. I, I agree. I think it's ridiculous. But it is what it is. So what they're saying is there will be an amnesty period, which means either you need to destroy your weapon, sell your weapon to somebody that's allowed to have it, and it's gonna register it or register it yourself with a$200 tax debt.

Sir Ben 28:36

Well, no, theoretically by the rule change. And because of them putting this through there looks in what they've done in the past with the, especially using the term amnesty period, when they've had a rule change like this in the past, they waved the tax

Sir Gene 28:50

yeah. It's not gonna happen. There's gonna be a tax fee.

Sir Ben 28:53

in the past. They've waved it.

Sir Gene 28:54

I know, but it's not gonna happen right now.

Sir Ben 28:57

Hmm. Okay.

Sir Gene 28:57

no, it's there. There's been already a couple of hints at that. This is part of their argument for them doing this now is a tax collection effort. 8 million times$200 is a lot of money. It's literally billions of dollars of taxe.

Sir Ben 29:12

You you realize what the us budget is? That's not even a blip.

Sir Gene 29:18

Do you know what the budget for the ATF is though? This is gonna cover that.

Sir Ben 29:24

I doubt that.

Sir Gene 29:27

Ah, I think the ATF budget, we can check easy enough. Anyway. Point is that here, here's the benefit of this as far as I'm concerned is if they're going to force me to register and pay for this firearm as a short barreled weapon,

Sir Ben 29:44

mm-hmm

Sir Gene 29:46

um, which will do two things. One is it lets me replace the stupid brace with the real stock because it's already a short barreled weapon at that point. And two is I don't have to wait for a year and not use this firearm while I'm waiting for the paperwork to go through. Because the way that the stamps currently work is you file the paperwork. You file your form, one, you send in your check and then yeah, wait for them to come back with a yes and a stamp essentially for you. And that process historically has taken anywhere between six months and a year. So if you wanna get a 14 inch barreled version of a gun instead of a 16 inch barrel version of again, You can do that, but it'll cost you 200 bucks and it'll take six months to a year with the amnesty period. You get to have your gun while you're waiting for that year long period.

Sir Ben 30:52

by the way, the ATF just got a budget bump to$1.7 billion,

Sir Gene 30:57

There you go. So they're gonna get more than 1.7 million off the

Sir Ben 31:00

billion billion with a B.

Sir Gene 31:03

Yeah. They're gonna get more than that with a B off the taxes for this thing.

Sir Ben 31:09

Mm, maybe I think there will be a lot of people who end up just felons because they're not gonna pay attention or, you know, it was legal when they bought it. And then the rule changed.

Sir Gene 31:20

but that's, I mean, that's not an excuse.

Sir Ben 31:23

it is because quite frankly,

Sir Gene 31:25

So when you had alcohol and the prohibition kicked in,

Sir Ben 31:29

that was a constitutional amendment and you were legally allowed to possess and consume alcohol. It was illegal to produce it. So it's a different thing. Prohibition,

Sir Gene 31:38

you allow to,

Sir Ben 31:40

you were a,

Sir Gene 31:40

it so

Sir Ben 31:41

you were allowed to consume

Sir Gene 31:42

and you had no, no chance of going into jail for being at a speakeasy drinking illegal alcohol.

Sir Ben 31:48

for the person selling

Sir Gene 31:49

dude. I think

Sir Ben 31:50

Nope. Go back and look. It was per that's. Why it even got tolerated as long as it did is because it was perfectly legal for you to consume it. It was illegal to produce or sell

Sir Gene 32:02

So if you could get your hands on it. Somehow you were still okay. Consuming it.

Sir Ben 32:07

correct. It only punished the person selling it.

Sir Gene 32:10

Okay.

Sir Ben 32:11

No, I mean, I'm serious. That's the prohibition. That's the only way they got it through.

Sir Gene 32:15

Okay. I, we can, we can check or, I mean, I can trust you on this because all I know is from watching movies is when the cops bust into a speakeasy, everybody's running around like crazy trying to get out of there before the cops arrest him. So what you're saying is when that happened in real life, the cops came in, nobody gave a shit, they kept drinking because the only people that were gonna be arrested were the proprietors.

Sir Ben 32:41

No, so I, I, it may have been illegal to purchase it as well, but if you had it at your home and so on it, it was different.

Sir Gene 32:49

Okay. So you couldn't buy it. You, you couldn't just not sell it. You also couldn't buy it then.

Sir Ben 32:54

Mm-hmm hold

Sir Gene 32:56

Well, that's a big difference. So, anyway so this is, this is what I figure is normally I wouldn't want this many short barrel rifles, but if they're gonna force me to do it anyway, I might as well at least have the damn guns instead of having it sitting somewhere and not being able to play with it for a year.

Sir Ben 33:17

Well, fun

Sir Gene 33:17

if you wait until after this rule kicks in and you wanna get a short barrel of. you are gonna be waiting for a year before you can

Sir Ben 33:25

or longer.

Sir Gene 33:26

or longer because they're not equipped to handle 8 million people registering their guns, guaranteed. I mean, right now, I don't know what the stats are, but I'd be shocked if there's more than a hundred thousand a year that are registered

Sir Ben 33:43

Well, I, I don't know the numbers either, but it's, I, there are definitely more suppressors than, you know, NFA items. The, yeah, I don't, I don't know. I'm, I'm guessing it's not a ton, but I would say suppressors are probably the majority of registered items

Sir Gene 33:59

mm-hmm

Sir Ben 34:00

shot.

Sir Gene 34:02

yeah,

Sir Ben 34:03

I I've just never really liked short barreled guns.

Sir Gene 34:06

stupid, dude. Short barrel guns. Make no sense.

Sir Ben 34:10

They're less accurate. I mean, I'm not kicking in someone's door. The, you know, urban combat is the only time a short barrel makes any sense.

Sir Gene 34:16

exactly. Or in the car, if you're in the car and you want a rifle caliber, it's much easier with a short barrel than with a long ass try using your regular AR 15 in a car.

Sir Ben 34:30

Yeah.

Sir Gene 34:31

I mean, unless you're driving like an expedition or a Hummer where you got the room to swing a whole 16 inch barrel around, it's the same reason that I like the Bullpups is because the overall length is much shorter. And so if you're in a vehicle or a tight situation somewhere, it's a lot easier to move around with a gun.

Sir Ben 34:53

that there, there is a legal limit to the overall length that has to be observed

Sir Gene 34:58

Yeah.

Sir Ben 34:58

it not to be a short barrel rifle. No.

Sir Gene 35:00

26 inches or a 16 inch barrel, 18 inches on shotguns.

Sir Ben 35:04

Yep.

Sir Gene 35:04

So, and most of these guns, including the one that I just described that folds in half with the barrel portion these are substantially smaller than that because pistols can be much smaller than that. There's no minimum length on a pistol. You have a little dinger. That's like three inches long completely like with a one inch barrel. So this is how the ingenuity of Americans has been able to figure out ways to get around what is arguably not a law, but just a requirement and arguably completely stupid and meaningless, but nonetheless still exists. And there's a department of people with guns that will come and enforce it at your apparel.

Sir Ben 35:49

Well, I think the brewing decision is really going to help out a lot. I think that we.

Sir Gene 35:54

agree. Like, so tell

Sir Ben 35:56

we have some cases. So the Buron decision basically said that if there is not history and precedent around the time circuit around the time of the second amendment to restrict a arm, it cannot be restricted. Meaning, you know, Hey, unless they had a regulation at the time, our tradition of regulations at the time, the second amendment was written. You can't do anything out of that vein period. So basically the NFA is

Sir Gene 36:21

restricted.

Sir Ben 36:23

exactly. So the NFA is illegal.

Sir Gene 36:27

It is

Sir Ben 36:27

it, it will, it will be unconstitutional as soon as there's a court case that gets to the Supreme court that can challenge it. I do think the NFL will fall based off of the Bruin decision

Sir Gene 36:38

And I think it, it has always been unconstitutional, but for too long in this country, the Supreme court has been a revisionist court that has chosen to see the constitution in today's rather than a historical context and therefore making decisions based on that.

Sir Ben 36:58

but it's not just that there's never really been a serious Supreme court decision on the NFA. There was what Miller and back back way, way back when, and only the government side was argued, he didn't even show up and so on. That was the whole short barreled shotgun thing.

Sir Gene 37:20

Mm-hmm

Sir Ben 37:20

So, I mean, there's never been a serious challenge to the NFA,

Sir Gene 37:25

Yeah. And I, I would love to see that the, what I've read is that before for, for court cases, that start going down that path, they typically end up being either the charges are dismissed or they're, they're withdrawn. So basically the, the machine, the state machine knows that it is dangerous to have these cases go all the way up to the Supreme court because it's gonna ruin their whole plan. And so what happens is once a case that has that potential, something that truly challenges the authority of the NFA starts going up to a level of a appeals in the federal system. The charges are almost every single time withdrawn by the prosecution. And if there's no charges, there's no case. And therefore it can't go up. Yeah.

Sir Ben 38:21

You know, it's interesting, but the I forget what it was called, but it was the card with the autos on it.

Sir Gene 38:27

Yeah.

Sir Ben 38:28

Like it was a metal card with an autos se design sketched on it. That if you cut out following the lines, you could create an autos se for if you had an an M 16 lower, you had to have the right lower too. You couldn't just drop it into any AR 15 lower to create a fully automatic weapon. And they are charging him with the manufacturer of a machine gun,

Sir Gene 38:49

Correct. Yeah. They define a machine gun as a, a part that isn't even finished yet.

Sir Ben 38:55

well. And he here's the thing, not only with the Bruin decision, does he have a good case, but it's a first amendment case. He, all he did was put out a design for an autos here. He didn't create an autos here. He didn't finish it. He just printed it on a piece of aluminum.

Sir Gene 39:13

yeah,

Sir Ben 39:14

It's the, I have the right to write the anarchist cookbook or anything else that I want. I can tell you how to build a bomb.

Sir Gene 39:21

do anymore. You used to

Sir Ben 39:23

should be first amendment freedom of speech.

Sir Gene 39:26

that first amendment that just needs to get interpreted in modern context, the way that Biden sees things.

Sir Ben 39:32

Freedom of speech is important not to protect normal or popular speech, but to protect unpopular

Sir Gene 39:38

Mm-hmm yes.

Sir Ben 39:40

Speaking of,

Sir Gene 39:41

the down votes.

Sir Ben 39:42

yeah. Speaking of Joe Biden, did you watch his did you watch his speech

Sir Gene 39:47

The emperor speech

Sir Ben 39:49

Yeah. So the funny thing is I, I listened to it live when he did that, I wasn't watching it. I was listening to it and it was bad enough listening to it. But then I wake up the next morning, you gotta see all the optics and I go back and watch and look at the optics of it. Oh my God.

Sir Gene 40:06

The blood red background, the military you know, officers standing behind him. So I posted like six or seven different memes on no agenda, social of various things that looked somewhat similar. And they said, we're almost here or we're already there. And from Veta vendetta to 1984 to yeah, for sure. Tine to the the man in the high tower all to, to high castle. Yeah, the man high tower, I've been watching too much game of Thrones. I'm thinking high tower. Yeah, the man, the high castle, all these, all these demonstrating these movies showing authoritarianism and despotism. And they all have very similar loop looks. The, the red background is very, very indicative of a dictator.

Sir Ben 40:56

it was blue, red, blue, and people are like, oh, all these conservatives are freaking out and they, they're not even looking at the full picture, dude. CNN Chrome keyed and tried to change the color halfway through.

Sir Gene 41:11

do they really?

Sir Ben 41:12

everyone realizes the optics of this were bad.

Sir Gene 41:15

Mm-hmm

Sir Ben 41:15

Literally they changed it to almost a pinkish purple color. They, they literally tried to screw with the ch

Sir Gene 41:22

So somebody realized in CNN, one of these super libs that works there realized that shit, this, this is

Sir Ben 41:28

is not good.

Sir Gene 41:30

We don't want this.

Sir Ben 41:31

well, in the content of the speech, the content of the speech alone was just, it was divisive. It literal it, the, the content of the speech literally sets whoever the fuck is with Biden, which I don't know who that is at this point against quote unquote Maga Republicans.

Sir Gene 41:51

yeah, what's a mag Republican versus like a rhino Republican. Is that the two kinds of Republicans we have?

Sir Ben 41:58

apparently, oh man. When Liz Chaney lost the, one of the funniest memes I saw flying around was an elephant humping a rhino

Sir Gene 42:07

mm-hmm mm-hmm mm-hmm

Sir Ben 42:09

Liz. Perfect. Yeah, so I, I, I think this is setting up for the fall election. I think this is a real push to his base. And this was the first campaign speech of his reelection, which he has formally filed for, which is insane. Yeah. So Joe Biden is the first official candidate in the presidential race.

Sir Gene 42:27

to be over a hundred years old. Yeah.

Sir Ben 42:30

Yeah, but this is setting up to hang the vaccines on Trump. It's setting up for someone to get violent, and then they're gonna go look at those mega Republicans, even though, you know, all the riots and everything that happened during lockdowns it, man, this is playing with fire. It really is. Well. I don't see coming back from this in any sort of good way.

Sir Gene 42:57

yeah. No, I agree. I, I think I think that there are clearly people in that administration that are making decisions outside of Joe Biden. And I think he's just acting the part. He's not a whole lot different from Zelensky honestly, he he's an actor playing a role over president and people that have the real power are making the real decisions. So I think that's what's happening. Not that he's blameless by any stretch, neither Zelensky, but I think the real decisions are being made by somebody else.

Sir Ben 43:33

Well, whoever is making these decisions is making the wrong ones. I, it, it, it really, to me felt like. We're I hate to play the 10 pool drinking game here, but it really felt like a get ready for civil war speech.

Sir Gene 43:48

but they're not gonna do that unless they think they win. And this is, this is where I've been trying to temper my conservative friends in thinking that, oh, this is gonna be the biggest blowout for red victories in a hundred years. It's, it'll be bigger than Reagan. Like not a single vote's gonna go to the Democrats. No, you're full of shit, dude. They, we keep talking about like, you're calling half the country their Bidens talking about describing them as being, you know, dangerous and err radical. But, but that's half the other half is going along with it. The other half agrees with Democrats. The other half helped them become the majority party of the last election. Now we can talk about all the improprieties that happened during the election and I, and that's the other issue is what the hell makes people think that there aren't going to be the exact same things done every election moving forward. Why do you think Pennsylvanians gonna ever vote Republican regardless of what the voters in that state actually want? These states that have very strong Democrat machines like Illinois is known for in Chicago and you know, Kennedy was never elected Kennedy was made president by the mob.

Sir Ben 45:08

Yep.

Sir Gene 45:08

That's not even, that's not even conspiracy theory. That's like history at this point

Sir Ben 45:12

yeah. Dead people voting

Sir Gene 45:15

And all we're seeing is more of the same happening with the Democrats, because why? Because they think they're at a point now that the Republicans have demonstrated themselves to be either pussies or rhinos. There's two types, there's the pussy Democrat or pussy Republicans and the rhino Republicans. And they'll work with the rhinos and use them. And they'll just, you know, be mean to the pussies, knowing they're never gonna do anything. The, the, what happened on January 6th was literally people that were drunk tourists in new Orleans, the exact same things happen. When people get drunk in new Orleans, they do shit that ends up destroying property. That's the worst defense that happened. It was some destruction of property you know, and, and the way that the Democrats have spun, it is like, that's the worst thing since the civil war,

Sir Ben 46:12

saying that it was an insurrection.

Sir Gene 46:14

Yeah. It was an insurrection that had to be put down. These people are like dogs. They have to be put down. So until there's the same level of response from the conservative side, as the BLM is from the liberal side, nothing's gonna change. And maybe I'm black pilling here, but I really think that's the case. I just think that until people are, and I've said this on almost every. Until there's an example of somebody who considers the value of their life to be worth trading for making a change in this country, nothing is going to change.

Sir Ben 46:55

our lives, our fortunes and our sacred honor

Sir Gene 46:58

Yeah, exactly. And how many, how many people have said that? Almost nobody.

Sir Ben 47:03

you know, here's what it comes down to. People, if a civil war does kick off here, people think, oh, well the military will join with us. No, the military's probably gonna follow whoever is ordering them around. So, you know, it's, it's really gonna ha have to break down on which generals go which way you

Sir Gene 47:23

And this is why I think what's happening in Florida with the creation of a Florida, an actual Florida national guard makes a lot of sense. We need the same thing in Texas.

Sir Ben 47:33

Well, I mean, that's what the national guard was a, I mean, originally, if you remember, it was the state guard.

Sir Gene 47:38

I know it was the state guard, but the way it's been utilized is it's at discretion of the present. He's the commander in chief of every state's guard.

Sir Ben 47:45

Yeah. The governors have some ability to call it up, but yes, and it's federally funded, which is problematic.

Sir Gene 47:51

Mm-hmm So, I mean, you know, what we need is a Texas milit.

Sir Ben 47:57

Well, you know, I, yeah, I actually tried to a few years back, I was lobbying some in the state house as a way around a lot of the gun control laws and everything else. Just establish a standing militia for every citizen that wants to, you know, join.

Sir Gene 48:14

Yeah.

Sir Ben 48:15

So then your service personnel and whatever weapons you have is your duty weapon.

Sir Gene 48:22

Yeah. Your duty weapon in which you're allowed to carry either concealed or open anytime, anywhere, and none of those bullshit restrictions on locations.

Sir Ben 48:31

Yep. Which, you know, the constitutional carry restrictions are pretty easy these days. You know, I went to go into a store a liquor store the other day and it had one of the old, it is a felony to carry a weapon on these premises signs, which technically is no longer illegal. And so I could have ignored it, but I chose not to. I left my gut in my truck and walked in and I said, you know, I, I know you just work here and you probably don't care, but just so you know, that that sign's not effective anymore. So if y'all care, you should probably update it. You know, which I, I, you know, I'm sure they were shocked.

Sir Gene 49:07

any, any private business can trespass you if they don't want you carrying weapons.

Sir Ben 49:14

They can give you a notice. Yes. But they can't do anything to you that time. It's just, if you ever do it again you know, and then like he V has a 30 op I think it's five sign where, you know, only those with licenses make and so carry in here. So, you know, basically you

Sir Gene 49:30

is good. I would prefer that.

Sir Ben 49:32

Okay. I, I think it should just be, let anyone carry, but okay.

Sir Gene 49:36

Well, okay. So here's the thing. I think that since it is up to private in businesses to decide how they want to, who they want to patronize them. Right. This is like property rights are core tenant

Sir Ben 49:52

that the whole carry restrictions are done under the trespassing laws in Texas now

Sir Gene 49:57

yeah. So I think it's perfectly fine for them to say, look, if you, if you do this, we're not gonna trespass you.

Sir Ben 50:05

mm-hmm

Sir Gene 50:07

And if they want to have a slightly higher level of cuz really what does the license, the concealed license get you? Right? Is it provides,

Sir Ben 50:18

anything. And it pers barely that you can shoot qualifying for that is nothing.

Sir Gene 50:23

it proves barely. So you've done this.

Sir Ben 50:25

I have shot a qualification. I know what it takes to shoot a qualification. It's not exactly hard.

Sir Gene 50:30

right. Well, maybe I'm a little biased cuz I was a firearms instructor for those licenses for many years. And it is, you're absolutely right. It takes nothing at all to qualify from a technical standpoint. But what it does take is a several hour long class and the length has been reduced greatly as well. It used to be, I think in Texas eight hours or six hours, maybe it was six hours in Texas. It was never that long in Minnesota. I think it's like three hours now. I'm pretty sure it's shorter. Are you sure?

Sir Ben 51:01

Huh. I've looked at

Sir Gene 51:02

it was reduced. So anyway, the I've taken it in Texas twice. I don't think it was six hours. Are you sure about that? Hmm. Anyway, the, so most of what you go through in that class is actually here are the legal ramifications you need to be aware of for when you pull that

Sir Ben 51:24

Mm-hmm

Sir Gene 51:25

And I, I don't think that's a bad thing for people to understand

Sir Ben 51:30

I don't think it's a bad thing either.

Sir Gene 51:31

gun profess

Sir Ben 51:32

think.

Sir Gene 51:33

is trivial. Like you said, I totally agree with that.

Sir Ben 51:37

Yeah. I, I just think it's, you know, the, I have other issues with being on the list and so on. I think getting that training is fine. I just have a, a problem with it being a license.

Sir Gene 51:49

by the way, you can take the training without getting a license. I've done that several times because I was too lazy to actually go get a fingerprint card.

Sir Ben 51:56

Yeah.

Sir Gene 51:57

taken the training

Sir Ben 51:58

which the that's another issue I have is the fingerprint card, but

Sir Gene 52:02

yeah. I've like everybody has my fingerprints. I really don't care.

Sir Ben 52:06

Yeah, yeah. Yeah. Well, you, you go through clear if you want. I just, I I'm, I'm

Sir Gene 52:11

Wow. I, I went through global entry.

Sir Ben 52:14

yeah. Well, so the, the, there's basically three categories of sign that you can have in Texas right now. And there's only license carry. You can expressly prohibit licensees from carry, which I don't think that one will ever really get used and

Sir Gene 52:30

I think some churches use those.

Sir Ben 52:33

but why would you prohibit a concealed carry license holder?

Sir Gene 52:37

I mean, in the context of everybody, it prohibits everybody,

Sir Ben 52:40

no, no, no, no, no, no. There is a sign that just prohibit. Yep,

Sir Gene 52:46

cuz I've seen the signs that say license holders prohibited. But I think, I, I guess as I assume, that was under the context of as well, like you and everybody is prohibited. Not just you, but the guy without a license is able to carry. That would make no sense.

Sir Ben 53:01

Yeah. So under.

Sir Gene 53:02

Cause the guy with a license is also a guy without a license. Like it doesn't say explicitly that the, that constitutional carry is open only to people who are non holders of licenses.

Sir Ben 53:14

It did look at the way that I'm just telling you what the, the signs

Sir Gene 53:18

I, I think that's just delay in updating the verbiage. I don't think that's the intent,

Sir Ben 53:25

okay.

Sir Gene 53:26

but I don't know, could be wrong.

Sir Ben 53:29

36 pursuant to section 36 of the Texas penal code trespassed by a license holder with a concealed handgun.

Sir Gene 53:38

Mm-hmm

Sir Ben 53:39

It only specifically talks about a license holder.

Sir Gene 53:41

yeah,

Sir Ben 53:43

Yep. So if you don't have a license, you can carry

Sir Gene 53:46

Boy. Yeah, I think you're right. I think because that section was written prior to the constitutional carry, the assumption is nobody else is allowed to carry because of other sections. And this is only for people that are carrying legally would be the ones that this would affect. So yeah, I think maybe that is a, that needs to get

Sir Ben 54:07

signs.

Sir Gene 54:08

that needs to get fixed

Sir Ben 54:11

anyway,

Sir Gene 54:12

that's local, Texas stuff. So, so as far as we're talking about, we're talking about guns, illegality, illegality of the entirety of the national firearms act. Which controls the types of weapons that you're allowed to have. And

Sir Ben 54:32

and then dark

Sir Gene 54:33

remember when the NFA actually why it was passed? Do you remember? What, what was the, because all these things only happened after some incident.

Sir Ben 54:42

Yeah. I mean, it was really after prohibition and a lot of the gangsters having Tommy

Sir Gene 54:48

yeah. And, and the cops didn't, that was the other thing cops carried like revolvers back then

Sir Ben 54:55

Mm-hmm

Sir Gene 54:56

and shotguns and no rifles cops typically just had shotguns and, and revolvers.

Sir Ben 55:01

I mean, we all, even up until the eighties, right there was that standoff in LA.

Sir Gene 55:06

Oh yeah. With the Teflon bullets,

Sir Ben 55:09

Yep.

Sir Gene 55:09

the cop killers, cop killer bullets. You remember that? Well, you don't remember that you were, you weren't born yet.

Sir Ben 55:15

I, I remember reading about it, but

Sir Gene 55:18

I remember watching it. Yeah.

Sir Ben 55:19

yeah. Yeah. I mean, also back in the day when you could have a Ette round, but

Sir Gene 55:26

Yeah. I made those

Sir Ben 55:27

or Sebo rounds,

Sir Gene 55:29

was, that was pretty cool

Sir Ben 55:31

Sebo rounds are

Sir Gene 55:32

yeah. 45 calibers suppose

Sir Ben 55:34

Well, even like a 30, 30, you know, with a 5 56, you know, it, it's a pretty interesting thing to neck it down like that. Anyway.

Sir Gene 55:44

well, the key thing is I mean back then too, in the eighties, police did not wear Bulletproof fests or armor of any kind

Sir Ben 55:53

Well, and even when they did, it was soft armor

Sir Gene 55:56

mm-hmm yeah,

Sir Ben 55:57

I think some most departments are still only on soft armor.

Sir Gene 56:00

I think so. And a lot of'em are wearing'em underneath the shirts, which just looks so stupid.

Sir Ben 56:05

Mm-hmm

Sir Gene 56:06

It's kinda like why, you know, especially for the guys that aren't in good shape. I mean, it's like, it just looks so stupid when you're wearing a vest underneath there.

Sir Ben 56:19

you know, what's sad is when you look at your officer qualifying you know, records and look at your local department, cuz they can usually this is available statistics, but how shitty they score,

Sir Gene 56:31

No. Yeah.

Sir Ben 56:32

you know, it it's scary.

Sir Gene 56:35

I, I think most people that go in to work as police officers are not really gun enthusiast. They're they're really, they're really just bullies.

Sir Ben 56:46

But if you're gonna carry a gun, you should be able to hit a target

Sir Gene 56:52

What you would think you would think that would be the case,

Sir Ben 56:57

anyway, I, I, I, I'm not a good pistol shot. I'm. I, I don't consider myself a good pistol shot, but if you've got a, you know, speed qualifying target and you're at 25 yards and you can't at least keep'em in the eight ring, I've got a problem. I, I just don't understand that.

Sir Gene 57:13

You know, the qualifier is not 25 yards.

Sir Ben 57:17

I understand I'm I understand. That's what I'm saying, but I'm, I'm, I'm saying you should be able to do better than this.

Sir Gene 57:23

yeah. I mean, if you can keep'em in the eight ring at 25 yards, you should be able to keep'em in the four ring at seven yards.

Sir Ben 57:30

pretty easy. But I'm, I'm just saying I, I go to the gun range. I see some of these people shoot. You look at what cops generally qualify at and it's just sad.

Sir Gene 57:39

Oh dude, you look at some of these guys, just random people next to you at the gun range shooting. There's there guys shooting insane groups that I couldn't do on my best day.

Sir Ben 57:51

Mm-hmm

Sir Gene 57:52

You know? Like how long have you been coming here? you know, how, how well do you know your

Sir Ben 57:57

boxes of ammo have you

Sir Gene 57:58

Yeah. Yeah. How many thousands? Thousands of rounds. And I, like, I got pretty good, but I I've never won any tournaments or anything. Never won any competitions.

Sir Ben 58:10

Entered one.

Sir Gene 58:11

yeah, but it, it it's, well, my dad used to be a competitive shooter. So I, I got to be around that atmosphere a lot, but it's, it's always been one of these things where what I'm good at is figuring out ways to be. To have a higher average, not necessarily to have the best. And a part of that has been in making sure that the equipment that I'm using, isn't going to handicap me

Sir Ben 58:42

indeed. Speaking of equipment

Sir Gene 58:46

and let me just give you a quick example of that is for example, the, the last AR 15 rifle that I got before this new batch of like spending the spree that I've jumped into was actually a carbon 15, which was the lightest AR 15 made at the time. And this, this was in the late nineties. No, probably shit, maybe early two thousands. Yeah. Early two thousands. It was in the late nineties, it was early two thousands. And the reason for that is because I had an H bar, an actual cult H bar. And it seems like it's not particularly heavy, right. It's probably about eight, eight and a half pounds. But when you spend three days in a row shooting it for eight hours a day, you could barely lift that fucking. And so I was like, yep. Not doing that shit again. So I went, I went and did a little research and bought the latest gun that I could, that still was using the same round.

Sir Ben 59:45

Yeah. See, and I, I just go the other way. I, I want like, especially for a rifle for a long range shooting, I want a heavy gun. I, I, I, yeah, I just

Sir Gene 59:54

I don't. Why do you want a heavy gun

Sir Ben 59:56

because like, for instance, when I'm hunting or doing anything, I'm not hiking in, you know, more than a mile or two. And I it's a reque mitigation and everything else,

Sir Gene 1:00:09

Oh, are you shooting thousands of rounds that you need to worry about recalling mitigation or are you just a pussy?

Sir Ben 1:00:16

Says the guy who can't carry a gun after

Sir Gene 1:00:19

I'd much rather have a lighter gun and deal with the recoil than have a heavy gun with less recall.

Sir Ben 1:00:25

So it depends if you're shooting and you need to follow up shot on target, or if you're like me and you're shooting long range and you're wanting to spot yourself, you know, the recoil mitigation somewhat matters there. But anyway, so I I made a purchase too. I didn't buy a firearm, but I did ended up getting the optic for the pistol. So.

Sir Gene 1:00:46

Mm. Did you get the the Romeo

Sir Ben 1:00:49

I did, I, I looked at a lot of different ones. The battery life on the Delta point pro was just too horrific. Everyone tried to get me to go hall of sun, which seems like Tanium, but I, I went and looked at them and the, the radical just wasn't as clear as the SIG, it was like

Sir Gene 1:01:08

Where did you go to physically look at a, I've never seen one in person. I've only seen them on the website.

Sir Ben 1:01:13

The gun store here.

Sir Gene 1:01:14

They had the hall suns really interesting.

Sir Ben 1:01:17

They had a bunch of them and they had a bunch of the SIGs too. And the

Sir Gene 1:01:21

or just one of the hall suns

Sir Ben 1:01:23

I looked at a few of them,

Sir Gene 1:01:25

and they all had fuzziness?

Sir Ben 1:01:27

it, it just, the radical was not as clear to me. And it was a two and a half MOA dot and then a like 20 MOA ring around it. And I didn't like that. So anyway, I just went with the,

Sir Gene 1:01:38

because they do have the most options and they have the most solar powered ones.

Sir Ben 1:01:44

They do.

Sir Gene 1:01:44

The ho suns.

Sir Ben 1:01:45

they do. They, they, I just, it, maybe it was those two or maybe there's some settings I could change, but I just didn't like it.

Sir Gene 1:01:53

I'm very curious cuz I I've never bought a ho sun, but I've had'em in my shopping carts a bunch of

Sir Ben 1:01:58

mm-hmm, mm-hmm

Sir Gene 1:01:59

always end up just buying a SIG and some people even said that they're literally made on the same factory.

Sir Ben 1:02:07

I, I guess,

Sir Gene 1:02:08

Cause the SIGs are also Chinese. You know that, right?

Sir Ben 1:02:10

Yeah. Yeah. Well, all I can say is my gun's already cut for it. It'll fit. And it has decent battery life. I would've gone with the Leopold, but the Leopold Delta point pro has like something crazy, like 800 hours of battery life,

Sir Gene 1:02:24

Yeah.

Sir Ben 1:02:25

So, you know, and this is gonna be a carry gun for me. So I, I would like something a little bit

Sir Gene 1:02:30

find my fricking Tricon which I just don't fricking know where it is. I,

Sir Ben 1:02:38

The other thing,

Sir Gene 1:02:40

sorry,

Sir Ben 1:02:40

primary decision on why I went with the SIG is the SIG not only fits my gun sits lower, so I don't have to have a plate, but it also has it's also a rear iron site. So even if the optic is down, I can still use the iron sites.

Sir Gene 1:02:56

yeah. Well, this is why I like the the Tricon one

Sir Ben 1:03:00

Mm-hmm

Sir Gene 1:03:02

and they don't make the one that I have anymore. I'm hoping I could get it serviced, although that's gonna add to my bill. Cuz I bought it back in the early two thousands and it is a Tridium and fiber optic site. There, there are no batteries.

Sir Ben 1:03:18

yeah.

Sir Gene 1:03:18

So it's, there's nothing to replace nothing to shake loose. I, I that's totally not true. There is something to replace the Tridium. Yeah. Which I need to replace cuz it's been now almost 20 years since I bought it.

Sir Ben 1:03:32

Which, you know, there, the problem with that is when you go to, it's gonna be the cost of the site almost all over again.

Sir Gene 1:03:39

Oh believe me, my current so I have two Tricon sites that I I filled out the paperwork to get serviced for trading replacement. And my bill on that is$700

Sir Ben 1:03:52

Yeah.

Sir Gene 1:03:53

sites. Now, granted that's way less than the cost of the sites,

Sir Ben 1:03:58

I

Sir Gene 1:03:59

but it's more than most sites it's. Yeah, cuz it's cuz one of the sites well it's a it's they're both eight cogs. But yeah, I mean most people

Sir Ben 1:04:10

I've just never liked the ACOG.

Sir Gene 1:04:13

I, I have a very sweet spot for it. It's it was really the first, the first true professional site I've ever used. I've just been using, you know, sites that are hunting before that this was mill spec. And so it is, is like a brick

Sir Ben 1:04:34

yeah. That's part of the reason why I don't like a cogs

Sir Gene 1:04:37

cuz they're bricks.

Sir Ben 1:04:38

yeah.

Sir Gene 1:04:39

But they're not shaped like bricks. I think the, I would say the EEO tech is a lot more of a brick in that sense. It's big, bulky and shitty battery life

Sir Ben 1:04:48

Yeah. I, I like my aim point on my AR one of my AR that's a great site. Yeah. Aim point comp M three is what I've got. So I've had it for a while.

Sir Gene 1:04:58

know you were doing paintball.

Sir Ben 1:05:01

excuse me.

Sir Gene 1:05:02

Oh, I mean, aim point. That's a, that's a kid's site. That's for toy guns.

Sir Ben 1:05:07

No,

Sir Gene 1:05:07

Oh, come on, man. Come

Sir Ben 1:05:09

you're thinking like site mark or something

Sir Gene 1:05:11

No, I'm thinking aim

Sir Ben 1:05:12

is a aim point is a you're did you, Jean, are you sure you're not drinking?

Sir Gene 1:05:20

I'm definitely not drinking.

Sir Ben 1:05:22

aim. Point's awesome, man.

Sir Gene 1:05:24

mm-hmm

Sir Ben 1:05:26

Oh, a five year battery life on and yeah, it's a fantastic little red dot.

Sir Gene 1:05:32

Hmm. Yeah. I don't know, man. My only experience with aim point has been on paintballs.

Sir Ben 1:05:38

No one had an aim point

Sir Gene 1:05:40

I had an aim point on my paint pole gun. Absolutely. This would've been 19 97, 97, 98 is when I did the most paintball.

Sir Ben 1:05:51

Okay.

Sir Gene 1:05:51

doing that every weekend,

Sir Ben 1:05:55

Okay.

Sir Gene 1:05:55

but anyway, but that's fine. So you've got a nice little name point site. That's cute.

Sir Ben 1:06:02

I mean, God. Okay.

Sir Gene 1:06:06

are they mil spec? I don't think so. Ah, I did kind of don't think.

Sir Ben 1:06:10

Okay. Anyway, Anypoint makes some good stuff, dude. I mean the comp M five B right now is over a thousand dollars site.

Sir Gene 1:06:22

okay. Well, I'm sure they've really ramped up a make. Maybe that's the thing. Maybe they started off making like paintball sites and then got better,

Sir Ben 1:06:29

I, I don't know,

Sir Gene 1:06:31

they were like all the sites that I've seen from main point back in the day were 200 bucks or less two, well, 20 years. Yeah. 20 years.

Sir Ben 1:06:40

so like the comp M three, when I got, it was like a five,$600 site

Sir Gene 1:06:44

Mm

Sir Ben 1:06:45

and Laro, I've got a Laro tactical Mount for it

Sir Gene 1:06:49

five for a thousand

Sir Ben 1:06:50

that's what I'm, that's the new version. Yeah.

Sir Gene 1:06:52

mm-hmm

Sir Ben 1:06:54

Anyway, they make, they make good stuff. I'm telling you

Sir Gene 1:06:58

So, okay. Well, I mean, they, they have been making'em for a long time, but I always kinda considered'em as toys. Alright, so anyway, so,

Sir Ben 1:07:06

of the week.

Sir Gene 1:07:07

well it's not of the week it's daily, usually come on. It's just, we'd only, we only record once a week. You get the insults on a daily basis.

Sir Ben 1:07:14

Yes, this is true.

Sir Gene 1:07:16

Yeah. And I, you know, I'm, I'm just li I like Remming them. I like

Sir Ben 1:07:20

I did. I did think it was funny in, in our group chat though. Josh's comment, but Jean posted a picture of his snake and Josh made the comment is that Hillary's cousin

Sir Gene 1:07:31

Oh, Jesus. Yeah, I know

Sir Ben 1:07:32

and I said, dude, that's an insult to the snake.

Sir Gene 1:07:35

it is an insult to the snake. Snake looks nothing like Hillary he's he's very cute

Sir Ben 1:07:40

I don't think cute is the right word to describe a large

Sir Gene 1:07:44

oh, I mean, look at his face. It's totally cute. He's very cute. Now. He's he's got plenty of food now, so he is all happy. So that was by the way. So, I mean, I don't, I, I can tell us the, the rationale here, why we ended up meaning is I actually had to drive out and buy some snake food which is sold in the middle of nowhere, Texas, and the guy doesn't ship. And if he did ship, I'm sure the cost would be double and it's way cheaper for me to just to drive out there and pick it up anyway, just gas cost wise. Plus I got to see bin that way, but I picked up like 300 bucks worth of rabbits, which is for the snake. That's the, the snake in question here. That's his main food are frozen rabbits that I then warm up in a what a Sovi that's my biggest continuous use of the Sovi is actually warming rabbits up. So you, yeah, it thaws out the rabbits. And it thaws it out and warms it up to 103 degrees so that they can be as close to the temperature of a real rabbit when the snake gets the rabbit as possible. So they're not cooked, I'm not cooking the rabbits, I'm just defrosting them. And then getting them to body temperature, which of the rabbits run a little warmer than humans do, but they're right around a hundred, three degrees. And and then that way the snake gets something that genetically it knows to expect, which is a warm rabbit. The other snake that I have that eats rats has gotten to be not nearly as picky to where I can literally just defrost the rat by leaving it you know, sitting in, in normal temperature, ambient air, and just putting it into the snake cage with the on top of the, the heating pad. So then it ends up getting just slightly warmer than the rest of the cage, so you can see it, but yeah, it's it, it is one

Sir Ben 1:09:46

how long will that last you snake?

Sir Gene 1:09:50

the rabbits. So the, the snake elites, a five pound rabbit, which is a good size rabbit. It lead a five pound rabbit every two weeks or.

Sir Ben 1:10:00

okay. So how, how, but I'm tr but how long was that?$300 gonna last you,

Sir Gene 1:10:05

Oh, it'll it. Well, in theory, it could last me a year. If I feed the snake at a, you know, normal pace of every two, three weeks it'll last me probably at, at a bare minimum, eight to nine months. If I just, you know, feed'em very consistently every two weeks.

Sir Ben 1:10:24

Okay. Well, that's cheaper than my dog's food.

Sir Gene 1:10:26

Oh, it's definitely cheaper than dog food per meal. It's expensive. Cuz it's like 25 bucks a rabbit or something. But as a per time period, it's very cheap. You gotta remember these snakes. This is why I have pet snakes is because of low you know, low maintenance. There's very little to do. You just have to give'em water and then feed'em once a, every couple of weeks.

Sir Ben 1:10:52

The main problem there though, is the humidity and temperature that you have to keep your house at.

Sir Gene 1:10:57

Yeah. Humidity is normal. There's no, I'm not doing any humidity control. They would probably enjoy more humidity, but the way I get around that is just by having water baths available for them to swim in or soak in. But yeah, humidity in the house about the same, but I do keep the temperature warmer. I keep it at 78. So the snakes like that, but, you know, keep in mind, it's 78 upstairs. It doesn't mean it's 78 downstairs. Downstairs could be, you know, 76,

Sir Ben 1:11:28

Okay, well, we keep it around 70 here and you know, 68 at night.

Sir Gene 1:11:33

That's way too cold for me. Like I never, even before snakes, I did not like to keep it that low. I, before snakes, I typically kept it at 72 at night. And usually E either all the time at 72 or like 74 during the day

Sir Ben 1:11:49

yeah, I prefer to sleep cold that's me.

Sir Gene 1:11:53

I, what I have right now is it, it cycles down to its coldest temperature as I'm going to sleep and then it slightly warms up. So I don't have to run the AC as much

Sir Ben 1:12:04

Well, or until the city of Austin decides to change

Sir Gene 1:12:07

until the city of Austin decides to fuck me. Yeah, exactly. Which I don't think that's gonna be happening anymore.

Sir Ben 1:12:13

by the way that's another thing that's happened since we last chatted, California decided to go insane.

Sir Gene 1:12:20

They've always gone insane. How is that a new thing?

Sir Ben 1:12:23

Well, it's even more so though, so, you know, there's the car mandate and all that,

Sir Gene 1:12:27

Mm

Sir Ben 1:12:28

now they're, they're already putting in grid restrictions across across w Colorado got hit with Mico. And it's just, it's getting nuts, man.

Sir Gene 1:12:40

I'm looking at this aim point site. They have got some good products here.

Sir Ben 1:12:46

yes, they do

Sir Gene 1:12:47

this looks really nice. This is not the aim point of old. I'm telling you. They used to be like toys. This actually looks like it's much better designed.

Sir Ben 1:12:55

there's a lot of really good stuff. And they've got some that are fantastic battery life and

Sir Gene 1:12:59

P two red that 50,000 hour life. It's small, but square, which I prefer. This is nice. I might get one of these for one of the new guns.

Sir Ben 1:13:09

yeah. The aim point with the magnifier on the back, like the comp in five now, but a three X magnifi on the back is what I have for one of my AR and I like it.

Sir Gene 1:13:22

yeah. I have to decide what to put on the little, I mean, it's gotta be something small that I put on the, the little folding gun that I got

Sir Ben 1:13:30

well, I mean,

Sir Gene 1:13:31

that I don't even have yet.

Sir Ben 1:13:32

you could try out a Holl of sun be cheap.

Sir Gene 1:13:36

Yeah. Like 300 bucks ish.

Sir Ben 1:13:39

Pretty cheap.

Sir Gene 1:13:40

and the 5 56 is very reasonable and recoil. So there's, you can use virtually any red that it's not gonna mess with

Sir Ben 1:13:46

and what I would say is anything that's not, you know, like a site mark or something like that, any modern red DOT's gonna hold up to recoil just fine, you know? Yeah.

Sir Gene 1:13:57

well, I it'll be interesting on the shotgun cuz I have the the SIG on the shotgun to see how long that holds up.

Sir Ben 1:14:04

SIG do you have on the shotgun?

Sir Gene 1:14:06

I don't know. It's one of the

Sir Ben 1:14:08

One of the Romeos.

Sir Gene 1:14:09

Romeo three or five, five Romeo five, I think. Yeah, it was one of the little round ones.

Sir Ben 1:14:15

Yep. Yep.

Sir Gene 1:14:16

the, I I'll tell you, which is, I don't remember the model number, but it's their only model that uses a AAA battery instead of a little tiny battery.

Sir Ben 1:14:24

Mm I'd have to

Sir Gene 1:14:25

And, and the reason for that is because I know from historical points, even with 50,000 hours which is a long ass time, some of these things last, inevitably at some point the battery will be dead when I take the gun out and it's much easier to replace a triple a battery, cuz those are always in my bag, no matter what,

Sir Ben 1:14:47

Right?

Sir Gene 1:14:47

For, for the hearing protection that uses AAAS, you know, for a variety of things. So I always have some lithium triple A's in the bag. And the last thing you want is some weird ass CR 2032 battery that you need to stick in because your site just blew out. So I, I got the triple a one and the wait's not a consideration cuz it's a shotgun.

Sir Ben 1:15:12

Right. Yeah. That's not an issue, but you know, on a pistol, you're gonna have the weird

Sir Gene 1:15:16

you want the smallest little and I, I do, you know, I, since you kind of started talking about the cutouts for the mounting plates, I've noticed that virtually every gown available right now has cutouts.

Sir Ben 1:15:29

Yep. Like I said, they just started doing this.

Sir Gene 1:15:31

super common now. And so now, and I, I don't think I need to do this, cuz I really don't need to spend any more money again, but they do have my XDM now available with the cutouts.

Sir Ben 1:15:43

Well, you know, you could just order the slide.

Sir Gene 1:15:46

oh, that's a good point. So the slide, well,

Sir Ben 1:15:48

You could just replace the slide.

Sir Gene 1:15:50

but isn't the slide? The no, I guess the slide isn't the serialized

Sir Ben 1:15:54

It is not the serialized portion.

Sir Gene 1:15:56

Yeah, yeah. I could probably do that.

Sir Ben 1:15:59

Yep. Or you can send yours off to get milled or whatever,

Sir Gene 1:16:02

No, no. That was the old school way of doing it. Yeah. And I did find the those, those the Tricon little red dot that was for the Glocks to just replace the rear site, which is, I never bought that, but I, I thought about it quite a few times.

Sir Ben 1:16:21

Yeah

Sir Gene 1:16:22

but yeah, so that was consideration as well as going down that. I don't know. I mean, I I've always liked red dots. I, in fact, my first red dots other than on paintball guns, which, which I didn't have on there, I don't know why you laughed, dude. I was, I was rocking the high end gear back in the paintball days.

Sir Ben 1:16:40

because I just don't see a paintball, I mean, a paintball, anyone who's played a lot of paintball, which I did probably around the same time you were, it's such a lo anyway, you know, I just don't see the point in having a sight

Sir Gene 1:16:55

what were you using for a gun?

Sir Ben 1:16:57

Oh shit. I don't remember. It was a pretty high end paintball gun back in the day. Me and my friends played all the time. Huh?

Sir Gene 1:17:05

I, I was using mini mags.

Sir Ben 1:17:07

Oh no, no. So I'm talking actual full on normal paint baller, which type stuff?

Sir Gene 1:17:12

What do you mean normal?

Sir Ben 1:17:14

Like the normal quarter inch paint ball.

Sir Gene 1:17:17

Yeah. That's why I was saying I was using mini mags.

Sir Ben 1:17:20

Okay.

Sir Gene 1:17:21

That, that was the, the gun name.

Sir Ben 1:17:24

I don't remember what mine was, man. It, this is when I was in high school.

Sir Gene 1:17:30

Yeah.

Sir Ben 1:17:31

Yeah. So it's been a little while.

Sir Gene 1:17:33

Yes, I get that.

Sir Ben 1:17:35

This has been 20 years ago.

Sir Gene 1:17:38

you remember that sound?

Sir Ben 1:17:39

Yes, yes,

Sir Gene 1:17:42

For, for anybody listening in the theater of the mind, this is, this is the, if you hear this and you know exactly what you were doing and what you look like.

Sir Ben 1:17:52

Right.

Sir Gene 1:17:53

That's a mini mag running.

Sir Ben 1:17:55

yeah. So we we would, we did all sorts of stuff. In fact, I screwed up my knee ended up trashing my track career, blowing out my knee, playing paintball, but yeah. Anyway, that, that was not fun. Tore my meniscus and my ACL.

Sir Gene 1:18:11

Hmm.

Sir Ben 1:18:11

But we used to do all sorts of fun stuff in the day. In fact, my my junior prom, I went to it with this big WEP on my neck and that everyone thought was Akey but no, it was from

Sir Gene 1:18:24

That's

Sir Ben 1:18:24

So yeah, it was, it was the long running joke

Sir Gene 1:18:27

Oh dude, I had so many like welts and you know, marks on my skin from the time it was nuts, but it, it was fun. I really, I enjoyed paintball. It was a very expensive hobby. Usually go through a hundred bucks a weekend in balls.

Sir Ben 1:18:42

Yep.

Sir Gene 1:18:43

And so I don't, I don't know how kids were able to do it. Like you were talking about in high school cuz as a adult working and making money, it was still not cheap.

Sir Ben 1:18:54

So what we did was we would get together me and a group of my friends and we'd buy balls by the thousands

Sir Gene 1:19:03

So did

Sir Ben 1:19:03

in big bulk order.

Sir Gene 1:19:04

Yep.

Sir Ben 1:19:05

then we weren't, you know, we weren't, we were out at someone's property, so we weren't paying those sorts of fees. It was

Sir Gene 1:19:11

no, yeah,

Sir Ben 1:19:12

you know?

Sir Gene 1:19:13

no, I'm talking a hundred bucks and ammo per weekend is usually what I go through.

Sir Ben 1:19:17

Well, okay. Maybe you did more expensive alls than we did or whatever. I don't know.

Sir Gene 1:19:21

I don't remember where I used to buy'em, but I remember I bought the, I was buying the thousand packs of the balls because that was a much cheaper way to go. I was running nitrogen and I had a back back mounted tank with a remote hose set up, going to the gun full Gilly.

Sir Ben 1:19:40

You were way more serious about this than we were.

Sir Gene 1:19:44

Oh yeah. Yeah. Full Gilly suits with a I mean, there's nothing on my body that looked like a human

Sir Ben 1:19:50

Yeah. So for those who don't know gene, whenever he is doing any, this is something I've learned about gene. Anytime he goes into a hobby, it always goes to 11.

Sir Gene 1:20:02

okay. Fair enough. I, I, I'm not gonna disagree. Yeah. Cuz I like to do things, you know, as well as I can and get up to speed as quickly as I can and not have acid. And the one thing that I learned very early on, on probably in childhood is that, that I don't want the equipment of whatever I'm doing to ever be the limiting factor. I want my skill to always be the limiting factor and to do that, you have to make sure that you're using professional quality gear.

Sir Ben 1:20:34

You know, there are some times that I know my skill is not gonna be up to par for, for that to be the thing, you know,

Sir Gene 1:20:42

Mm-hmm Yeah, but my skill is never up to, I mean, that's the point is you always want to be competing against your skin, your, your skill,

Sir Ben 1:20:51

Right. You don't want the equipment to be the limit. I gotcha. But at the same time, I also, you know, I've got a Savage access to 3 0 8 down

Sir Gene 1:21:01

Mm-hmm

Sir Ben 1:21:02

you know, it's got a pencil barrel on it and I wouldn't trust that gun out past 500 yards. Right. But.

Sir Gene 1:21:09

I didn't think savages were that bad. Were they

Sir Ben 1:21:11

Well, so it, it's just,

Sir Gene 1:21:12

S germs.

Sir Ben 1:21:13

it's probably MOA and a half is what I would say. I mean, it's okay. It's not great, but it's not Myar, you know, it's there there's differences and I can ex I can accept those differences, but it's always seems like

Sir Gene 1:21:27

But you, but you're keeping that gun.

Sir Ben 1:21:29

oh, absolutely. I don't sell

Sir Gene 1:21:30

Yeah. Yeah. That's right. Yeah. I I'm sure I'm gonna sell a few of the ones I've bought before too long

Sir Ben 1:21:37

well, when you do let me know.

Sir Gene 1:21:39

Well, I'll tell you right now the one I'd like to sell and I've just been too lazy to that. I need to move is a brand new, never shot. It's a Mossberg 9 49, 30 or nine 40. It's the, it's a semiautomatic Mossberg. And it's the tactical version for police, et cetera, with a slide on top or with the the pick rail on top. I've I bought it like, I don't know, eight years ago, seven years ago. I've never shot it once it's is, cuz I had a Benelli that I always shot

Sir Ben 1:22:15

Yeah. Yeah.

Sir Gene 1:22:16

and then it's just always been sitting in the background and then it's not even my defense gun. I, I have a very well worn and used gun that I've shot thousands and thousands of runs through that is a Winchester shotgun. That is my defense gun.

Sir Ben 1:22:33

Hmm.

Sir Gene 1:22:34

So this gun was always just sort of a, I don't know what I was thinking when I bought it. I'm sure what I was thinking was I would like to have another semio and this gun had a pretty good reputation. And it wasn't like, this is a thousand dollars gun. It's not a$2,000 gun. So I, I wanted something a little cheap. So, but I've never shot it. And I, I have no interest, I guess, in, in shooting it, I'd rather just get rid of it.

Sir Ben 1:23:05

my home defense gun that I have, the first shotgun that I have is a eight 70 wing master with the extended tube in the 18 inch barrel.

Sir Gene 1:23:14

yeah. The, the thing Remington's a good gun. The thing I don't like about is the weight it's too heavy.

Sir Ben 1:23:20

it's a home defense cut.

Sir Gene 1:23:22

It's too heavy. It's this is where I think that the Winchester is the best compromise cuz the Winchester, the, the Winchester has parts that have a tendency to break on the Mossbergs, which are pure aluminum on the Mossbergs on the Winchester. They're actually steel, but the rest of the gun is aluminum. The Remington is all steel.

Sir Ben 1:23:45

Yep.

Sir Gene 1:23:46

There's no aluminum on there. So it's a much, much heavier again.

Sir Ben 1:23:50

Well, and when you run out of ammo, you then have a club to beat someone with

Sir Gene 1:23:54

Well, fair enough. But my solution is to just not run out of ammo by running the iwi Tovo shotgun with 15 round capacity,

Sir Ben 1:24:04

that's just nuts. That's nuts.

Sir Gene 1:24:06

I have yet to load 15 rounds in I'm. I am somewhat curious to see how heavy it gets with 15 rounds of lead

Sir Ben 1:24:12

be the 12

Sir Gene 1:24:13

well, it's an extra pound of lead, right? It's an extra pound of.

Sir Ben 1:24:17

Yeah.

Sir Gene 1:24:17

in ammo, you're adding a pound to the gun, but it's all very close to the body. It's it's it's you know, a compact gun being a bullpup. So it's not sitting way out there. Three feet away from you.

Sir Ben 1:24:33

That is one thing that's nice about bull pups is that center of gravity shifting.

Sir Gene 1:24:37

It's it's much further back.

Sir Ben 1:24:39

I think we've probably talked too much about guns on this episode though.

Sir Gene 1:24:42

Is there such a thing as too much talk about guns? I don't know, man. That's what else do we need to talk about? Other than guns?

Sir Ben 1:24:48

Let's see. I don't know.

Sir Gene 1:24:49

about my snake. What

Sir Ben 1:24:51

since we're calling this the, just too good old boys, we need, we we're gonna have to get a

Sir Gene 1:24:55

Guns. Trucks. We need to talk about trucks. I don't know. What else have you bought a truck? Really? Would you like to buy a truck?

Sir Ben 1:25:05

Yeah,

Sir Gene 1:25:06

Is what I hear. That's I think you mentioned

Sir Ben 1:25:08

that, that's gonna be a thing at some point when I have to actually upgrade my truck. So for those who don't know, I've got an older F-150, that's been paid off for years and it's just

Sir Gene 1:25:19

Isn't it nice to have paid off vehicle? I love that feeling.

Sir Ben 1:25:22

dude, I love it. I, I, I, I absolutely love it. I, you know, this is the only new vehicle I've ever purchased. The first new vehicle I ever purchased was this truck that I'm in. And I said, I'd never do it again. And then a few years later, I went to get my wife something. And it was a 2017 that I bought in 2018 in the first, you know, first quarter, it had 20 miles on it. Brando. They gave us way off Ms. R P and even

Sir Gene 1:25:53

Back when that was a thing.

Sir Ben 1:25:54

0% interest for five years.

Sir Gene 1:25:57

Fuck. Okay. At that point you might as well get loan. There's no point in paying cash for it.

Sir Ben 1:26:02

exactly. You gimme 0% shit. So anyway, but I'm eventually gonna have to upgrade my truck or replace my truck cuz it's, you know, get no almost 200,000 miles on it. So when I do that and I inevitably have to get a vehicle

Sir Gene 1:26:15

wait. 200,000. And how many years?

Sir Ben 1:26:18

seven.

Sir Gene 1:26:19

Seven years. 200,000. Oh my God. You'd drive way more than me.

Sir Ben 1:26:22

no, no. It's not seven it's I got it in 2013, so yeah,

Sir Gene 1:26:26

So nine, nine years. Yeah,

Sir Ben 1:26:28

Nine years,

Sir Gene 1:26:29

that's a lot. I think the most I've ever put on a car is 140 and 10 is the most I ever put on in one vehicle.

Sir Ben 1:26:40

Well, I, that drive a lot,

Sir Gene 1:26:42

But yeah, there's nothing wrong with one 50 S they they've always been, you know, the, the Toyota Camry of trucks. I think they're

Sir Ben 1:26:49

well, I, yeah, I grew up in a Chevy family, but you know, I had a Toyota, I had a Tundra before this and the Tundra was just too expensive. Good for you.

Sir Gene 1:27:01

Yeah.

Sir Ben 1:27:01

Yeah. And then the Tundra was too expensive. I didn't wanna buy from government motors and Ford made me a decent deal. So that's how that happened. But anyway the project car, when I inevitably have to get a vehicle, my daily driver, that's gonna be, you know, too computerized for me to really want I, I think I'm want to get like a early early eighties, you know, non-fuel injected. So carbureated engine like three quarter ton suburban to make into a nice mad max vehicle.

Sir Gene 1:27:31

Yeah. And I, I, I love that idea. I think that's really cool. Hang on, let me just tell this guy.

Sir Ben 1:27:36

Well for well,

Sir Gene 1:27:38

to go. All good. All right. Thank you. Have a good day. All right, there we go. I just told the delivery guy. He's good to go.

Sir Ben 1:27:44

through your ring doorbell

Sir Gene 1:27:46

Yeah, of course. But I'm connected. What do you think I am? Ludite

Sir Ben 1:27:51

oh, I did dude. Yeah. I, no, thank you. I would never

Sir Gene 1:27:55

ring look, every neighbor has ring doorbell. We can all look at each other's stuff.

Sir Ben 1:27:59

Oh God, man. No screw that. Anyway. I even found a grill you know, a brush guard that these guys are making out of AR 500 steel.

Sir Gene 1:28:08

oh, I thought you were gonna say out of AR fifteens. Now that would be a cool looking brush guard. Wouldn't it.

Sir Ben 1:28:13

yeah, but AR 500 steel and the way it's set up, it'll still let you know air through, but it it's, it's meant to prevent someone from shooting at your vehicle, you know?

Sir Gene 1:28:23

Wait, what do you mean? Oh, I thought it was like a mesh, so it's not a mesh. It's actually

Sir Ben 1:28:28

no, it's like angle iron overlapping, like to actually protect your radio. Yes. And they're making it out of AR 500

Sir Gene 1:28:34

it's a radiator protection plate. Got it.

Sir Ben 1:28:38

Yeah. I mean, it's pretty cool.

Sir Gene 1:28:41

I've seen people also do a radiator repositioning on those things just to get'em out of the, underneath the engine,

Sir Ben 1:28:48

why?

Sir Gene 1:28:50

because you know, if you're dealing with cars that are gonna be hitting you in the front, like for

Sir Ben 1:28:55

a demolition Derby or.

Sir Gene 1:28:57

I was gonna say like if you're apprehending people, but sure. Demolition Derby works. Yeah. Then, then you don't really want the radiator, which is gonna stop your engine if it gets damaged to be so damn close to the front of the bumper.

Sir Ben 1:29:12

got you.

Sir Gene 1:29:13

For sure. Now, now, now back in the old days, like the seventies, there was a good, like two feet between the radiator and the bumper, cuz the cars were so long.

Sir Ben 1:29:26

well, you know, this is, like I said, I'm looking at an early eighties suburban, so

Sir Gene 1:29:30

Yeah. I remember those things.

Sir Ben 1:29:33

plenty of bay base.

Sir Gene 1:29:34

They were,

Sir Ben 1:29:35

we had one when I was growing up and it was a diesel had had the two

Sir Gene 1:29:40

Which is unusual,

Sir Ben 1:29:41

back and forth.

Sir Gene 1:29:42

yeah, I remember that dual fuel tank set up, but not on a diesel on a, on a

Sir Ben 1:29:47

And, and for those of you that are not old enough to understand this, the headlight switch you, your high beams, low beams used to be a pedal.

Sir Gene 1:29:55

yeah. Little, little, tiny little pedal. It was kind of, what was it? It was kind of like shape, like a, what is that shape?

Sir Ben 1:30:04

A circle. The ones I'm remembering were like a round push up, push down

Sir Gene 1:30:09

it was, it, it was about two inches long with about a one inch diameter.

Sir Ben 1:30:15

Yeah.

Sir Gene 1:30:16

So I was, I mean, calling it a pedal is kind of a stretch. It's really a foot switch. more than the pedal.

Sir Ben 1:30:22

switch

Sir Gene 1:30:22

Yeah, but you know what I mean? I mean, it's, it's like a guitar foot switch more, but like a fat, fat ass guitar switch. That's what I call it. Like a, like if you take a guitar foot pedal, switch the round one and you blow it up to an inch and diameter, that's kind of what it looked like. I remember

Sir Ben 1:30:40

that's gonna be the that's the ideal project car

Sir Gene 1:30:43

Keep talking about your car. I'm just gonna sneak out and grab my food. Keep talking.

Sir Ben 1:30:48

Well, gene sneaks out. We can now conversate amongst ourselves uninterrupted. Anyway, the whole idea is just to have something that I know I can work on and that isn't dependent upon technology. And, you know, if I go with a carbureated gas engine, if I wanna drive it off of gasification or something like that, I could. So the whole idea is a zombie apocalypse, mad max scenarios type thing. I don't know how long Gene's gonna take riveting radio, gene orders, food that, that he should have his own podcast for that one. Oh, by the way we did talk and we might have a special guest here in the next couple of weeks on the podcast. I'll wait till gene gets back to see if it's okay to announce, but you know, it, it might be more than just Jean and I here pretty quick, just for an episode,

Sir Gene 1:31:37

All right. What kinda lies are you telling?

Sir Ben 1:31:39

Oh, I was just saying that we might have a guest.

Sir Gene 1:31:43

Oh yeah. Well, we hopefully we'll have quite a few guests over time.

Sir Ben 1:31:49

Right. But one specifically. So

Sir Gene 1:31:52

which one?

Sir Ben 1:31:54

your buddy

Sir Gene 1:31:54

oh, Tucker. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Tucker max he'll, he'll be on, we just have to have to find the right time when he's available.

Sir Ben 1:32:03

Yeah. So for those of you who are keeping track, we're poaching guests from Tim pool

Sir Gene 1:32:08

That's right. That's right. Yeah. There's a few other people I wouldn't mind getting on, but I think we need to establish a few episodes first.

Sir Ben 1:32:16

yeah. Well, I mean, realistically we have established episodes, but I

Sir Gene 1:32:21

yeah. You know what I mean, though?

Sir Ben 1:32:22

yeah, yeah. So,

Sir Gene 1:32:24

when somebody goes to the website and the podcast, they're like, what episode? Zero.

Sir Ben 1:32:31

well, we'll have to, you know, we'll have to put in the RSS feed some of the old ones or something, which by the way, who are, who, who did you select for hosting? We haven't even talked about any of that

Sir Gene 1:32:41

We haven't talked about any of that stuff. I don't know. I could just go with all the same guys I'm using

Sir Ben 1:32:46

Mm-hmm

Sir Gene 1:32:47

uh, this is kind of inside baseball, but maybe people are curious or interested as well. So I use something sprout.

Sir Ben 1:32:56

buzz sprout.

Sir Gene 1:32:57

Buzz sprout. Yeah. Use bus sprout. They are about 20 bucks a month, which is, eh, it's pretty average, I think.

Sir Ben 1:33:06

okay.

Sir Gene 1:33:07

But they have all the podcasting 2.0 features built in.

Sir Ben 1:33:10

Yep. They've been they've been pretty on the ball from what the, the board meeting has said,

Sir Gene 1:33:16

Yeah. Yeah, they were. And I, and like, I've talked, I interviewed the the CEO of the company back when I was doing my interview shows on Seine speaks. So there's

Sir Ben 1:33:26

you'll be going back to

Sir Gene 1:33:28

possibly I'll be doing something. I'm not sure exactly what. Anyway and then for editing, I use discord, which is what I like about it is it, it does the Texas speech and then lets you edit through the speech. So like you can select sentence or some words or whatever.

Sir Ben 1:33:52

mm-hmm

Sir Gene 1:33:52

then you know, cut'em delete'em or move'em around, copy paste, whatever. And then automatically update.

Sir Ben 1:33:58

right?

Sir Gene 1:33:59

No I'm still using it. That's what I'm saying.

Sir Ben 1:34:02

Well,

Sir Gene 1:34:02

What I, what I stopped doing is recording in script.

Sir Ben 1:34:06

Gotcha.

Sir Gene 1:34:07

So the bug that I found, which nobody else seems to have, they, they haven't had anybody else report it. They've worked with me for about three months trying to replicate it and they couldn't replicate it. Their best conclusion was that it may have something to do with my motu I dunno,

Sir Ben 1:34:24

Why would it have anything to do with your motto?

Sir Gene 1:34:27

There might be some timeout event happening to where the app doesn't get a response back from the motu fast enough. And it just like decides that the interface shut off and stops recording that's again, this is just somewhat, just an assumption based on what it could be from them. Not, not that we've tracked down to.

Sir Ben 1:34:53

okay, cool, man. Any other

Sir Gene 1:34:56

another 20 bucks a month.

Sir Ben 1:34:58

Yeah, well, we'll have to set up set up some, you know, Bitcoin nodes and stuff like that.

Sir Gene 1:35:06

oh yeah, that's the other thing. So Bitcoin knows 20 bucks a month.

Sir Ben 1:35:09

Why is a Bitcoin, no node costing you

Sir Gene 1:35:12

oh yeah. Yeah. If you wanna do it yourself, you could do it for free. No, I, I just pay for one.

Sir Ben 1:35:16

but why? Why not?

Sir Gene 1:35:18

based one, so I'm actually losing money every month.

Sir Ben 1:35:22

But why, why why pay for a cloud based one? Why not? If you're gonna be in the cloud anyway, why not just go custodial with Coinbase or someone like that?

Sir Gene 1:35:31

I mean, that's essentially what I'm doing. But Coinbase, I don't think offers a sat or what, what I'm paying for. Isn't the Bitcoin one. It's it's the the sat one. Yeah, the lightning node. Yeah. Yeah. Which you could set up. And I did set up that on my on my Sonology my

Sir Ben 1:35:49

NAS

Sir Gene 1:35:49

NAS before it died. And then that, that went away and that, that was a good reason for not using it on NAS

Sir Ben 1:35:57

indeed.

Sir Gene 1:35:58

even with failover drives. I still end up losing data.

Sir Ben 1:36:02

well that's cuz you didn't respond to the initial

Sir Gene 1:36:04

Yeah, I know. That's, that's the part of it that I hadn't thought about.

Sir Ben 1:36:08

Yeah. I actually

Sir Gene 1:36:09

have to log in.

Sir Ben 1:36:11

I just went through and upgraded my NAS. I've had these drives sitting around for a long time, but I got to thinking, you know, the drives in that NASA have been continually operating

Sir Gene 1:36:20

For years.

Sir Ben 1:36:21

yeah. Prob probably six, seven years. And anyway, so I went through and I failed.'em all over. Slowly rebuilt the right away, failed it over, rebuilt the radar. Anyway, built it up. Yeah. Anyway, so just put new drives in it, refreshed it. So that's good. And then I've got a nook that was a kitchen computer at, at the house in Franklin where, you know, just a, we had a, I had a monitor and the, the computer was actually mounted behind the monitor and someone could look up recipes or add to the grocery list, that sort of

Sir Gene 1:36:52

I've got an iPad for that. Yep.

Sir Ben 1:36:54

Yeah. And since, since then, we've all moved on with technology and the what changed the way we use it. So, I've got it running an Ubuntu distro that I'm trying to get UMBR on which the UMBR guys are so focused on the raspberry pie thing that they, if you're running a real operating system on real hardware, it's way more difficult than, than they should make it. Like there's conflicts with the Docker version that they're using and all sorts of things.

Sir Gene 1:37:23

guess what I'm drinking right now.

Sir Ben 1:37:25

Yogurt drink

Sir Gene 1:37:26

Very good. Good guess. Yes. I'm drinking a yogurt drink.

Sir Ben 1:37:30

anyway. so, once I get that up and going, which I just haven't had time to spend

Sir Gene 1:37:36

Yeah. I'm, I'm all for you setting up shit that we don't have to pay for on your own. I just, I'm not gonna do it, but I would love to have you do it.

Sir Ben 1:37:47

All right. Well, will do so.

Sir Gene 1:37:50

yeah. What else? What else we got anything else going on? I mean, Ukraine seems to be winding down from what I've seen. It looks like we're getting closer to I think the way it's gonna end is Linsky is gonna end up getting kicked out of office.

Sir Ben 1:38:06

yeah, we did we talk about Zappia

Sir Gene 1:38:09

Yeah. A little bit

Sir Ben 1:38:10

look. Yeah. So I, I couldn't remember if that was before we started recording or after, but

Sir Gene 1:38:15

Mm-hmm

Sir Ben 1:38:16

no, I mean, with, I don't know if he's gonna get kicked out of office or, you know, assassinated.

Sir Gene 1:38:24

no, I don't think it'll get assassinated.

Sir Ben 1:38:27

He, okay. I don't know.

Sir Gene 1:38:29

Russia will do everything it can to make sure he doesn't get assassinated.

Sir Ben 1:38:34

Well, I wasn't suggesting that Russia was going to be the ones assassinating him. I

Sir Gene 1:38:39

No, but they're going to threaten anybody that even thinks of assassinating him with imminent death.

Sir Ben 1:38:47

Oh, come on now, Jean,

Sir Gene 1:38:49

What?

Sir Ben 1:38:51

I'm just joking around

Sir Gene 1:38:53

No, cuz they need him. Stand trial?

Sir Ben 1:38:58

I do you think he will?

Sir Gene 1:39:00

No, I think he's gonna be in Florida at his house

Sir Ben 1:39:03

Okay. Well, I,

Sir Gene 1:39:04

he, he owns a pretty substantial mansion in Florida.

Sir Ben 1:39:07

well, you heard about the him renting his house in Italy, right?

Sir Gene 1:39:12

He's got a lot of houses around the world. Yeah. Yeah. It's a Russian couple.

Sir Ben 1:39:15

yes, for, for 50,000 a month or something like that, something insane. And he is run to get to Russians. it's

Sir Gene 1:39:24

For that house. That's not actually a bad price.

Sir Ben 1:39:26

I haven't seen the house. I, I just find the entire irony of he is fighting the evil Russians, and yet he's doing personal business with them. It's

Sir Gene 1:39:35

Well I'm

Sir Ben 1:39:36

it, it's one of those things.

Sir Gene 1:39:37

business personal

Sir Ben 1:39:38

and, and, and absolutely, and, you know, the, he, he, I, it would be real easy to say, oh, well, that he's not renting to Putin's family or something. And but you know, it's just the optics of it. The optics of it is just hilarious and not saying that he shouldn't

Sir Gene 1:39:53

here's the biggest optics issue of, I think is that he's telling Europe that they need to do whatever they can, including cold winter without heat in order to help him fight Russia while he is making money right now off Russians himself personally, because that's better than letting the house sit.

Sir Ben 1:40:18

well, and the interesting, the, one of the interesting things of all this is that there is there's one report out there that says up to one in six businesses in the UK could go belly up because of the increased energy cost. This.

Sir Gene 1:40:34

One six businesses or bars.

Sir Ben 1:40:37

Barsch you're right. It was Barsch it was pubs mm-hmm

Sir Gene 1:40:41

which makes total sense because everybody in the UK is an alcoholic. And so they pretty much spend their entire days after work, sitting in a pub. And so those pubs use a lot of electricity to keep the beer. Well, I guess they don't cool. It do. They, I was gonna say to keep the beer cold, but they don't really cool their beer. So maybe they don't use that much electricity after all in retrospect,

Sir Ben 1:41:04

I, I think it's more the lighting and everything else

Sir Gene 1:41:07

sure. Yeah.

Sir Ben 1:41:08

electric heat, so on, so forth. Anyway, it it's just insane that they're going through in bankrupt. We are bankrupting our own countries for no good reason.

Sir Gene 1:41:19

for no good reason at all. And here's another thing that's I, I, I guess I'm not surprised it's not being picked up on cuz, but it's not that subtle is you have all these European types making speeches, talking about how Russia is weaponizing fuel. They're weaponizing. Petroleum they're weaponizing natural gas. Okay. Hold on. Are not sanctions on thousands of items, a weaponization of politics. I mean, what, how can you say Russia is weaponizing fuel when you guys literally have canceled

Sir Ben 1:42:03

Weaponizing

Sir Gene 1:42:04

thousands of businesses being able to buy and sell across the borders?

Sir Ben 1:42:09

Yep. Well, and recently in that gas prom just cut off NG, which is French power company for nonpayment, you know? So,

Sir Gene 1:42:20

isn't it surprising? They waited that long though.

Sir Ben 1:42:22

Well, I mean, I don't know when the nonpayment occurred, so I I'm assuming this is because they want payment in rubs, so,

Sir Gene 1:42:33

No, I get that, but I mean, I think it was a shock to a lot of people that Russia didn't immediately cut off all energy supplies to Europe. Once

Sir Ben 1:42:45

been declaration of war on

Sir Gene 1:42:47

know it would. How is that a declaration of war? So U us not selling.

Sir Ben 1:42:53

On it.

Sir Gene 1:42:53

okay, so it's gonna be a declaration of war. If the next Republican president doesn't sell food to China.

Sir Ben 1:43:01

if we were, if China was dependent on us to feed their population,

Sir Gene 1:43:05

they are, they buy American grain.

Sir Ben 1:43:07

They're not dependent though. They have enough of an agricultural sector

Sir Gene 1:43:11

They're in the verge of starvation right now. Yeah.

Sir Ben 1:43:14

Okay.

Sir Gene 1:43:15

I mean, that's not a reason to go to war. If somebody breaks a, a trade agreement, that's not a reason to go to war

Sir Ben 1:43:21

Wars have started over resources in the past and over similar agreements.

Sir Gene 1:43:26

they have, but I mean, that's not legitimate. It's, it's ridiculous. If that was the case in Russia really has all rights to declare war against the us and all of Europe for the sanctions. How are sanctions any different

Sir Ben 1:43:39

I think they do. I think sanctions are absolutely a act of war.

Sir Gene 1:43:47

Well, okay. I, I don't, I don't know if I would go that far myself. I think sanctions is something that much, like every private business can decide who they sell their products to. Every country can decide who they sell their products to as well. So I don't really have a problem with sanctions. They mostly hurt that country's manufacturing base,

Sir Ben 1:44:06

Hmm.

Sir Gene 1:44:07

but you know, it's certainly their right to do it.

Sir Ben 1:44:10

Well, I think business is choosing not to sell or something. That's that's different than a government saying you cannot sell or you cannot buy from.

Sir Gene 1:44:20

Well, I, I agree. I think it's, it is definitely anti libertarian type action. But but I don't see that, like, there are certain actions that I can see as being declarations of war, but saying we're not going to sell you this liver worst anymore is not one of those.

Sir Ben 1:44:41

Okay, but here's the, here's the situation in Europe and why it could be an act of war. Europe is dependent upon Russian gas. They literally can. That is their fault. But if you, if you starve, people, put people in the cold and dark, or you have a 10 X increase in your energy costs. People are not going to take that lightly.

Sir Gene 1:45:03

right. Well, they won't take that lightly, but I don't think that's a legitimate declaration of war that like, so if, if,

Sir Ben 1:45:12

I'm not saying it's a legitimate declaration

Sir Gene 1:45:13

if Saudi Arabia, let me, let

Sir Ben 1:45:16

may lead countries to

Sir Gene 1:45:17

When Saudi Arabia stop selling gas to the us stop selling oil. And because they they've got a new contract with China, that's much better. Is that gonna be sufficient reason for the us then to go and invade Saudi Arabia?

Sir Ben 1:45:29

No, but we're not dependent on Saudi Arabian oil.

Sir Gene 1:45:34

Aren't we,

Sir Ben 1:45:35

No, we have the ability to pump as

Sir Gene 1:45:37

I don't think so. No. No. Well, we may have the oil in the ground, but we don't have the ability because it's illegal.

Sir Ben 1:45:45

Well, it's not necessarily illegal, but Biden has definitely shut

Sir Gene 1:45:48

Well, that makes it illegal. Then, then that,

Sir Ben 1:45:51

Yeah. Well, you

Sir Gene 1:45:52

you can't be pumping the oil without a permit and you can't get a permit cuz they're not granting any.

Sir Ben 1:45:57

if you own the land or have

Sir Gene 1:45:59

It'd be like the hilly jet, the, the Beverly hillbillies just shoot a shotgun to the ground and the oil just sprouts out of

Sir Ben 1:46:06

that that's how that works.

Sir Gene 1:46:08

in Tennessee.

Sir Ben 1:46:08

works. They were in Arkansas, I thought.

Sir Gene 1:46:11

No, they weren't done. No, it was either Tennessee or North Carolina. It was one of those two. Definitely not in north.

Sir Ben 1:46:16

huh.

Sir Gene 1:46:18

but either way the shooting a shotgun into the ground and the oil just coming out of there.

Sir Ben 1:46:23

Mm-hmm

Sir Gene 1:46:25

Can you imagine building a, a, anything anywhere near so little actual ground that you're basically sitting on top of oil, which is really a tarpit

Sir Ben 1:46:38

yeah.

Sir Gene 1:46:39

Yeah. Not, not like the people don't know what we're talking about. If you ever watch the opening credits of the old 1960s show, Beverly hillbillies black and the white show had some pretty good funny comedy starting buddy Epson. I I believe and Clampett. Yep. That, that show basically put a hillbilly family living in Beverly Hills. With all their hillbilly thoughts and lots and lots of money derived from oil being found on their property. And then they just kinda ly don't really explain why they ended up moving after finding that oil.

Sir Ben 1:47:17

So it says the Ozark mountains. So definitely could be.

Sir Gene 1:47:23

I'm pretty sure that's not Arkansas though. It says Ozark. Where, where you looking at Wikipedia

Sir Ben 1:47:28

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Sir Gene 1:47:30

and it doesn't say where they

Sir Ben 1:47:31

it's, it's hilarious because granny is definitely my mom.

Sir Gene 1:47:36

you're kidding

Sir Ben 1:47:37

no it's so my mom in so many ways,

Sir Gene 1:47:41

Mm shit. You're right. Maybe it is UHS. I didn't think it was Arkansas. They there's a city. I thought that was in in North Carolina that had them as like it was supposedly where they lived.

Sir Ben 1:47:55

I don't know, but anyway, it doesn't matter. It's still a good show. It's a good show. It's

Sir Gene 1:48:01

Well, no, it, it is

Sir Ben 1:48:02

it's funny and worth going back and watching.

Sir Gene 1:48:05

Mm-hmm

Sir Ben 1:48:07

And even the, even the movie with even the movie with earnest is pretty good.

Sir Gene 1:48:11

with who?

Sir Ben 1:48:13

The guy who played Ernest.

Sir Gene 1:48:15

He, they in a movie with him.

Sir Ben 1:48:17

Yeah. They made a Beverly Hill Billy's movie. He played Jeff.

Sir Gene 1:48:21

Oh, wow. Oh, it's in public domain. So literally. You're allowed to pirate it.

Sir Ben 1:48:26

Cool.

Sir Gene 1:48:28

I didn't realize that that's crazy, huh?

Sir Ben 1:48:32

I I'm kind of surprised that CBS let that happen.

Sir Gene 1:48:35

Right. Oh, they neglected to renew their copyright they forgot about it.

Sir Ben 1:48:41

Yeah.

Sir Gene 1:48:42

Wow. That's wild.

Sir Ben 1:48:43

I would think they would still have the copyright from the movie though.

Sir Gene 1:48:47

The movie they might, but not from the

Sir Ben 1:48:49

Yeah.

Sir Gene 1:48:49

Hmm. Well, it would make more sense that they would be in that they would be in Oklahoma or Arkansas or someplace, you know, I mean, like from a oil standpoint,

Sir Ben 1:49:05

yes.

Sir Gene 1:49:05

but I thought for sure they were in that like the, the mountains, their, their house in their Beverly Hills

Sir Ben 1:49:12

Hey, Hey, I got it right now. So the, the Beverly Hill Billys film Wikipedia clearly states the, a hillbilly hillbilly of humble station from Arkansas

Sir Gene 1:49:25

Arkansas. Damn. Okay.

Sir Ben 1:49:27

states.

Sir Gene 1:49:28

Interesting. Okay. Well that's not what I remember, but fair enough. Fair enough. So they're, they're Beverly Hills home, which isn't actually in Beverly Hills just sold for 200 million

Sir Ben 1:49:38

Where was it?

Sir Gene 1:49:39

bell.

Sir Ben 1:49:40

Oh

Sir Gene 1:49:41

So that's cool. That was a fun show. I enjoyed watching it. They had the phrases like the seamen pond, which was a swing pool. And then of course what was the daughter's name? Ellie Mae Clampett, you know, she was like the, the, the tomboy girl who didn't realize how hot she was.

Sir Ben 1:49:57

Yep. Yep. Yep.

Sir Gene 1:49:58

And she was very

Sir Ben 1:50:00

And then Jeff row, the idiot.

Sir Gene 1:50:02

the idiot who thinks he's a genius, cuz he finished the fourth grade.

Sir Ben 1:50:06

yep. Yep. He's got all the education.

Sir Gene 1:50:09

Yeah. I just got he's full of education more than anybody else in that family.

Sir Ben 1:50:12

Yeah.

Sir Gene 1:50:12

And then the, the grandma character was great cuz she's like very traditional, but also very much the head of the household. she chase around everybody else with a broom. If they're not doing something she wants'em to do

Sir Ben 1:50:28

Yeah. Always

Sir Gene 1:50:29

they're late coming to coming to supper.

Sir Ben 1:50:31

Yeah. And the eating, the eating supper at the pool table,

Sir Gene 1:50:35

Yep. Yep.

Sir Ben 1:50:37

on a pool table.

Sir Gene 1:50:38

Well, yeah, it's that's exactly. It, it was an interesting interest and then they have the first gay character, the first lesbian in

Sir Ben 1:50:46

Who,

Sir Gene 1:50:48

the, the banker's assistant. What was her name?

Sir Ben 1:50:50

How was she the

Sir Gene 1:50:51

she was clearly a lesbian. Everybody knew she was a lesbian dude. Hathaway Mrs. Hathaway, miss Hathaway. She was totally a lesbian.

Sir Ben 1:51:00

Oh yeah. One of the sub plots is the bankers always trying to make sure the, they, they keep their money with them.

Sir Gene 1:51:09

Yeah.

Sir Ben 1:51:09

Yeah.

Sir Gene 1:51:09

Yeah, no, she, she had short hair.

Sir Ben 1:51:13

Sh. So if you have short hair, you're clearly a lesbian

Sir Gene 1:51:17

That's that's kind of a shorthand. Yeah. You didn't know that you just finding this out at this stage in your life

Sir Ben 1:51:23

no, I, I just, the, I, I have known chicks with short hair that are not lesbians.

Sir Gene 1:51:28

You sure about that

Sir Ben 1:51:29

Yes

Sir Gene 1:51:30

they're projecting, they're projecting their true feelings and desires. Look, I've known guys that are married that have a very distinct list and use their hands a lot. And while they may not be you know, engaging in activities of monkeypox nonetheless, if you were to put dollars to donuts, they're gay.

Sir Ben 1:51:55

yeah, so

Sir Gene 1:51:56

Not that there didn't anything wrong with that.

Sir Ben 1:51:58

yeah, I, I saw a hilarious meme around monkeypox talking about the origins and it was a picture of Michael Jackson and bubbles

Sir Gene 1:52:07

Hey, now bubbles was always, he's very clean monkey. He always used the condom.

Sir Ben 1:52:14

it you're just ignorant,

Sir Gene 1:52:16

mm-hmm

Sir Ben 1:52:17

ignorant

Sir Gene 1:52:18

I really feel like we got we got robbed by him dying so early because there's so many unanswered questions there.

Sir Ben 1:52:30

Oh, absolutely.

Sir Gene 1:52:31

Not to mention they stole his musical catalog.

Sir Ben 1:52:34

and there's no doubt that he was abused.

Sir Gene 1:52:37

Oh dude. No doubt at all. Guaranteed. It just a question of, by how many people,

Sir Ben 1:52:43

Yeah.

Sir Gene 1:52:44

you know, you don't get a voice like that by not being abused,

Sir Ben 1:52:48

well, well

Sir Gene 1:52:50

you know, every, every dude with a high pitched voice, you know what that means?

Sir Ben 1:52:55

what,

Sir Gene 1:52:56

He was diddled

Sir Ben 1:52:57

well,

Sir Gene 1:52:58

young

Sir Ben 1:52:59

that are castrated

Sir Gene 1:53:02

well that, yeah. Okay. That's that's an extreme version of that category. I don't think we, we, well, I was gonna say we don't do that anymore, but we kind of do these days more than ever. Don't we, we castrate young boys and to'em into girls.

Sir Ben 1:53:13

and even more, yeah. More girls into boys now, which is just so, that has to be mass hysteria, social contagion. It really does for the, for the percentage increase. If you look at

Sir Gene 1:53:28

Well, that's,

Sir Ben 1:53:29

it's

Sir Gene 1:53:29

that's definitely parallels the experiment with the utopia rat experi.

Sir Ben 1:53:35

Mm-hmm mm-hmm

Sir Gene 1:53:37

Where given everything that the rats could possibly want. They start acting in a deviant manner and deviant is not negative. It's like, there's no connotation. It's just different. Non-standard like for no particular reason, there's not a causal relationship. Other than the fact that they're provided a utopian type lifestyle, that all of a sudden more rats start doing things that cause self harm.

Sir Ben 1:54:07

Well, and you know, we have

Sir Gene 1:54:08

And did I say rats? I meant people

Sir Ben 1:54:10

Yeah. We have these doctors that are, I mean, there's one doctor that, that is advertising on tech talk and people are, these poor girls are getting top surgery, double mastectomies within seven months of being on testosterone. And it's just insanity and they can go get onto testosterone. Willy-nilly there is no counseling. There is no making damn sure. You know of what's going on here, the way we used to handle gender dysphoria, dysphoria you, psychologists and therapists. Can't even question if, to question anything is to just do such harm, you know, and it's, it's insanity. It's insanity.

Sir Gene 1:54:57

the only silver lining is that these people will not reproduce.

Sir Ben 1:55:02

Well, it's tragic.

Sir Gene 1:55:04

It is tragic. It is tragic. That's why I said silver lining, not yay.

Sir Ben 1:55:08

Yeah. Well, I mean, yeah, you can think of the gene pool all you want, but I think there are a lot of confused kids out there that are sterilizing themselves. That may end

Sir Gene 1:55:20

you mean their parents are izing them

Sir Ben 1:55:23

Well, I mean,

Sir Gene 1:55:25

kid. Isn't gonna be able to pay for that surgery, dude. It's the parents believe

Sir Ben 1:55:30

understand, but you know, it's, it, it's just, it's, it's sad. That's all, I, I, you know, if someone really is gender dysphoric and they want to do that to themselves, then that's fine. You know, and I have, I, I don't care what one adult does to their body. You can do anything you want. I don't care. The problem I have with it is kids and the speed at which decisions are being made that are irreparable

Sir Gene 1:56:03

yeah. Yeah. There's de transitioning, doesn't get you back to your normal state. It gets you back to a different state than the transition state.

Sir Ben 1:56:14

well, and you know, the thing is the stories of detransition aren't put out there, they're not talked about, they're not pushed. So, you know, unless you really hunt for it and find it on a forum somewhere, you're probably not gonna hear many stories about de transitioning as a kid, which

Sir Gene 1:56:30

in the good old days, you wouldn't find any stories of transitioning either nowadays it's popping up everywhere.

Sir Ben 1:56:38

And you know, like what's the guy, buck, whatever his name is

Sir Gene 1:56:42

Mm-hmm buck angel, I've met buck a bunch of times.

Sir Ben 1:56:45

So buck angel, Blair white they're people who, you know, probably was the right decision for them probably was a good decision

Sir Gene 1:56:53

They also call it what it is which is gender dysphoria. They've been diagnosed with it. I mean, they, they, they considered it a medical illness, Blair white and certainly buck don't argue that this is not a mental mental illness. It is a mental illness. It is your brain being out of alignment with what you're actually are.

Sir Ben 1:57:16

Mm-hmm

Sir Gene 1:57:18

So, and I, again, I think that of the people that truly want to become transsexual, the ones that see it as that type of realign they do everything they can to become a person of the opposite sex, cuz that's, what's normal with them, but we have this whole other category right now. And I, I don't wanna necessarily say it's purely by fad, but it sure seems like it is of people that want to change nothing. Or change very little and then simply expect everybody else around them to act as though they had completely changed into the opposite sex. And that's that to me is the the, the societal collapse part of this

Sir Ben 1:58:08

Well, regardless, I, I, I, I think it's again, if it's the right decision for you and you're making that decision as an adult, and I hope you'd get some counseling, but even if you don't as an adult, that's one thing. But when doctors are willing to mutilate teenagers,

Sir Gene 1:58:29

yeah. This should not be happening to anybody. That's a teenager at all

Sir Ben 1:58:34

it is. And, and with faster and faster rapidity. So I don't know.

Sir Gene 1:58:39

and younger age. I think they're starting to do it nine years old now.

Sir Ben 1:58:42

Yep. So there was one of the clinics, I forget which clinic that was talking about, gender affirming surgical care for seven year olds.

Sir Gene 1:58:51

oh my God. They don't even know what a gender is at that age.

Sir Ben 1:58:56

No, they have no clue, you know,

Sir Gene 1:58:58

They're barely sentient

Sir Ben 1:59:00

it, and the sad thing is this is parents at that age, that's the parent projecting onto the kid,

Sir Gene 1:59:06

Oh yeah. Yeah.

Sir Ben 1:59:09

that are, that are, the parents have really fucked up the kid and shared way too many things that are age inappropriate for.

Sir Gene 1:59:18

I don't know that you can't even fuck up a kid. I mean, there's always been bad parents, but it didn't result in kids wanting to get sexual reassignment. I think it's it's 99% parents. 1%, maybe not parents.

Sir Ben 1:59:33

Yeah, well, anyway,

Sir Gene 1:59:35

who would rather have somebody of the opposite sex.

Sir Ben 1:59:40

yeah, it's, it's astonishing to me,

Sir Gene 1:59:42

Mm-hmm

Sir Ben 1:59:43

by the way that ad we played couple episodes ago about the, what a, that that's a family in Denton. I didn't realize this, but that's a family in Denton, Texas. And she runs for city council apparently all the

Sir Gene 1:59:55

which ad remind me.

Sir Ben 1:59:56

The MEA trans kid or whatever ad we played it on a show a while back. Yeah.

Sir Gene 2:00:04

that's nuts.

Sir Ben 2:00:05

They they go to a very interesting liberal church that when you look at the church services and everything else and it, wow. I mean, they, they openly invite Satanists and everybody else there. So that's interesting

Sir Gene 2:00:20

There's nothing wrong with that. I mean, if you wanna invite STIs, why wouldn't you wanna invite somebody? You can convert?

Sir Ben 2:00:26

that that's not what I'm meaning like to speak.

Sir Gene 2:00:30

Oh, I don't know. I mean, it it's. I don't think all churches are conservative. I don't, I don't think that's the case

Sir Ben 2:00:40

I they're not then this is a very good example of a very woke

Sir Gene 2:00:44

There's a ton of well, like BLM, for example, that basically is a church,

Sir Ben 2:00:50

yeah.

Sir Gene 2:00:51

you know, they're selling a religion and very far from conservative.

Sir Ben 2:00:57

Yeah. I'm there are very liberal churches and, you know, I would just not choose to go to one, but anyway, it is just an interesting aside.

Sir Gene 2:01:08

Anyway, are we done? What, what else is going on? Anything else we're about done?

Sir Ben 2:01:12

you know, this show is always like a sandwich. We get some real serious topics up front. We usually talk about guns, do something else. And then we go back to a serious topic.

Sir Gene 2:01:20

Mm-hmm well, that sounds good. So, this has been episode zero. We should have the theme music and a bunch of other stuff by the next show. So hopefully y'all enjoyed this new, well, it's not really that new format. I was gonna say this new format, it's mostly the same format, but in a different package.

Sir Ben 2:01:39

all righty, Jean.