00:00.00
naftulyev
This is Sir Gene once again and joining me as always is through Ben named dude Ben how are you Ben named dude Ben. Okay.

00:09.50
Ben s
Dude name Ben defender of megawatts but it's all good I'm well gene and you know in the theme since we're going with this, you know alliteration here I also have an email address for the podcast now.

00:44.40
naftulyev
You? Oh okay, what is that? Oh that's easy to remember do that named http://ben.com awesome that's um

00:42.86
Ben s
Dude at named http://ben.com yeah I thought it would flow nicely. Yeah, alrighty man.

01:20.32
naftulyev
So keep keep those males going to bend now instead of me with all the complaints about the show I don't I don't understand why people are complaining but Ben can get those at this point.

01:27.54
Ben s
Absolutely and my email's easier than thevor act. So you know hey no no excuse. Yep yeah.

01:46.54
naftulyev
Oh well dwaric shows that specifically so no one actually sends him anything because he doesn't get any spam.

02:01.12
Ben s
I Don't think that's been true for a while. But yeah, actually the guy he uses for his um his fan filtering and preprocessing does a pretty damn good job in most cases. So but the only problem is you have to have a static Ip if you're running your own server with Helm so.

02:29.84
naftulyev
And.

02:40.60
Ben s
Won't do a fully qualified domain name for some reason or at least he didn't back in the day. Yeah.

02:56.26
naftulyev
I All right I Well I don't Proton males aren't too bad.

03:00.46
Ben s
Yeah, ah I know this from back when I was running. Ah you know I you know I I use Proton Um, not because it's not because I think it's uber secure any more secure than anything else, but it's ah for the price.

03:17.32
naftulyev
I a bunch of nazis out of Switzerland but they're not too bad.

03:44.34
naftulyev
And.

03:38.14
Ben s
A decent mail server and easy enough to use. Um, so I've been on in fact, a couple of years ago I ah stopped running a server out of my house and that's when I switched from I was running a Zimbra server last and when I stopped using zimbra I moved over to proton.

04:11.94
naftulyev
And.

04:24.74
naftulyev
Yeah I um remember when I last ran my own server probably about ten years ago

04:27.78
Ben s
Yeah, the only I've got 1 hpdl three eighty ah sitting here still and the only time it gets turned on is for lab work. You know it doesn't stay on. There's no services running on it. Everything else has been moved either to um.

04:55.84
naftulyev
And.

05:04.36
Ben s
Private Cloud services or ah, you know stuff like Proton mail and I've got a couple masses running you know that's sort of thing.

05:27.82
naftulyev
Yeah, the Nasa have definitely won out. Yeah.

05:24.18
Ben s
Well, they've become really capable. Yeah yeah, that that and a few raspberry pis and most of what I was using you know a full rack mount server five years ago for is covered.

05:55.66
naftulyev
Is yeah what I used to do back was when I was more in that industry is run a lot of Vm so I had a separate vm server but i.

06:14.66
Ben s
I ah yeah, yeah, like I said my my my current lab server that I keep right here. It's you know running Esxi as a you know base os and you know it's it's built out for that. Um.

06:29.88
naftulyev
Yeah, and just fooling stuff up to do certain things and.

06:53.20
Ben s
You know it's it's it's amazing. What hardware you can get on ebay these days I'm serious I mean you can get a.

07:13.10
naftulyev
Yeah, you probably get some Ukrainian alaws out there too.

07:14.40
Ben s
Well we ah we saw the speed loader on ebay that got classified as a assault rifle accessory. Oh my God Yeah, the the lunacy the lunacy man.

07:33.62
naftulyev
You Oh my God I can't believe that they're selling them. Yeah Salt accessories sold a Nebe Oh my God So explain that story before we move on.

07:49.40
Ben s
Ah, you know I Okay so the the story came across that um some reporter noted that there was a speed loader. Yes, ah that there was a speed loader that could be used to rapidly load a R fifteen magazines.

08:12.20
naftulyev
I in California like l a times or something.

08:22.65
Ben s
And this violated Ebay's policy of selling assault rifle related gear.

08:40.50
naftulyev
It yeah high capacity even magazines it wasn't just made for regular California capacity magazines. It was made for highcap capacityity 30 round magazines. Oh my god does not give a shit.

08:48.90
Ben s
Yes, because it's because a speed loader can you know control How many rounds that's used for anyway.

09:14.96
naftulyev
It was the most asinizing story of someone who has no clue about guns.

09:16.30
Ben s
Well and you know I really think this I really think that we have 2 wedge issues coming and you know Tim Tim is mocked constantly for saying that you know civil war civil war civil war but you know we've got 2 wedge issues that I think are really coming to a violent pinnacle.

09:45.96
naftulyev
And.

09:55.70
Ben s
Um, that's Roe V Wade and this gun control push. So we've already seen the left. Yeah, but we've already seen. Well I mean we've already seen the left ah threaten the supreme court in a pretty meaningful way.

10:09.62
naftulyev
Yeah, the people without guns and the people with guns.

10:28.44
naftulyev
And.

10:26.34
Ben s
The number of swattings that has occurred. Ah you know recently I mean you and Darren were talking about it yesterday. It's gone through the roof. Um, we have an extremely polarized ah citizenry I was talking to a colleague of mine the other day.

10:39.20
naftulyev
Yeah I.

11:06.24
Ben s
And this person is rational. They are very much in the ein rand way of thinking but on these issues they are totally flipped and have lost their complete mind. Yes, it's start. It's astonishing to me and vitriolic about it.

11:36.82
naftulyev
I really.

11:46.00
Ben s
That's the bigger thing absolutely vitriolic. There was no discussion there I mean we ended up having to stop talking say all right were we're just we don't need to talk about this anymore if we're going tomaine colleagues and friends. We can't discuss this because we absolutely disagree like abortion up to the ninth month of pregnancy. You know so shit like that I'm like no, it's a.

12:12.20
naftulyev
Wow.

12:26.82
naftulyev
And.

12:25.84
Ben s
It's viable. It's that that's insanity but my body my choice you know you have no right? Well, that's the ah None of all, you know, neither 1 of us are female at this point. So yeah, one this is an academic argument. no no. no no

12:36.40
naftulyev
You.

12:58.54
naftulyev
And are you are you talking to a birthing man. Okay.

13:01.40
Ben s
Um, but anyway it's It's just this this notion of you know at no point does the infant have rights and I just don't think that's a sane position and then on the gun.

13:27.74
naftulyev
And the yeah I've always been on the side of it's a small minority of us decide that abortion should be legal up to the tenth year

13:43.80
Ben s
I Yeah um I think adoption is a better option but sure, Um, ah hey I've got kids I know um I mean they're their kids are trying.

14:05.92
naftulyev
Um, sometimes you just want to kill a little bastards.

14:22.48
Ben s
And you know they they know how to push your buttons and they they they actively try they test you I mean from about one on as soon as they can do anything mischievous. They're going to test you and if you don't set those limits and you're not strong with them.

14:32.86
naftulyev
And.

14:56.44
Ben s
They will push you until you do. It's funny. My yeah, my son is way stronger willed than my wife sometimes and it's fun to watch.

15:08.24
naftulyev
Yeah, well and I.

15:23.26
naftulyev
But um, now another argument that Tim's brought up is relating to abortion is um, you know? Okay, so if it's my body my choice and the woman gets terminated anytime she wants. But. And the guy gets would terminate any time he wants as well and have no responsibility.

15:49.40
Ben s
Well I mean there has so I I actually um so I I take issue with it because I don't think I mean okay for me abortion is never an option. But I also don't believe you can fully legislate morality.

16:26.42
naftulyev
And.

16:28.16
Ben s
And up and until that child is potentially viable. Um, that's where I'm somewhat willing to make a compromise and say I still think it's immoral but there's nothing I can do to save the child. So therefore I can't enforce anything on your body that said after the child is viable. There is. No moral reason to not try and save the child. All of that said, men's rights. You know you you get into a situation where a woman does not want a baby So She's going to abort the child but the dad potentially does. Yeah.

17:20.72
naftulyev
I.

17:38.32
naftulyev
Yeah. Yeah, he'd be willing to adopt or it's not adoption. I Guess if it's your kid. It's not adoption.

17:46.80
Ben s
What then? so I don't know I Yeah I think men's rights are often overlooked and quite frankly excuse me I've got a little cold or sinuses going on. Um, quite frankly I think that's okay because men are expendable.

18:12.86
naftulyev
I yeah.

18:33.12
naftulyev
It Yeah genetically engineered that way.

18:26.58
Ben s
That is our role in society and absolutely and you know just accept it that is your burden be a man do it? Um, and that's that's again. Okay, but. You know, historically we've had an exchange for that and I think that the problem we have today is that that is gone and when you look at migtown and things like that I don't think that's the right answer either. Yeah.

19:14.94
naftulyev
You exactly? Yeah oh maybe. I Think ah men learning to not be driven purely by hormones is a very good thing and I I think make Tao and maybe I'm wrong about this but my understanding is that this is not.

19:43.76
Ben s
Absolutely.

20:21.92
naftulyev
Monastic Lifestyle you're not against sex. You're just against um, having a relationship with a woman. Well that would be a relationship with a woman that costs a lot of money.

20:24.72
Ben s
Well marriage. Ah you know Migtow Woods Yeah well and I mean to the point of if you want to have children use a surrogate I Well I do because I I think that children work best in the nuclear family.

20:54.38
naftulyev
I Yeah and I have never seen anything wrong with that.

21:03.62
Ben s
I Think that nuclear families are the right answer? Um I I think that it's the migtal movement is nothing but a further destruction I see it as corrosive as modern feminism.

21:38.60
naftulyev
Yeah, yeah I think men are different than women and therefore you can't say well if it's bad that the kids grow up without a father. It's bad that they grow up without a mother I think that? um. We don't have sufficient evidence suggesting that children growing up in a single male family are worse off. Yeah so I'm um, willing to willing to give it a shot.

22:14.52
Ben s
Well because it historically hasn't really happened. You know, very rarely unless you have a widower does it happen. Okay I still think the 2 parent household the way we have evolved that relationship is the superior way of doing it.

22:47.82
naftulyev
I I know man if I get bored enough I might pay somebody to have a kid.

22:56.22
Ben s
Yeah, but then you got to work so see here's here's why it works here's why the the 2 parent household works I can work I can go out and you know conquer the world bring back. The bread do whatever I need to do she can take care of the kids or depending on your situation.

23:16.12
naftulyev
So.

23:31.40
naftulyev
I right? I but I I right? But again I think the big to movement kind of came out of the fact that women don't.

23:36.20
Ben s
That relationship can be inverted and I have no problem with that relationship being inverted for some people just not me I.

24:08.46
naftulyev
Do that anymore or there's a very small sliver a woman willing to stay home and take care of a kid most women want to do exactly what men do get paid exactly what men do and still have the special privileges that they're used to.

24:10.32
Ben s
Yeah.

24:27.40
Ben s
Yeah, but I see I don't think they do so I think when you look at to a point so when you look at a lot of the high end professional women. There are it is a minority that by the time they're 35 aren't

24:44.40
naftulyev
That most of them do.

25:04.78
Ben s
At home trying to have kids so you know they they push it they push it they push it. They get upped in in their thirty s and they go baby crazy and drop out I've watched it throughout my career now I also know some women in their fifty s and sixty s that are you know vps and high up and.

25:15.50
naftulyev
And.

25:46.48
naftulyev
Right? But okay, but let's let's not skip over that they want to so their career women. They've grown in the workforce. They're gotten into senior positions. They want to drop out around 35 to have a kid.

25:41.86
Ben s
Pushing and doing but they are the minority.

26:23.32
naftulyev
And they also want their spot reserved for them to come back when they want.

26:19.16
Ben s
Yeah, but very few of them ever do or try to um there are some I Ah I think the research in a lot of the a lot of the Scandinavian countries I think a lot of the research in this country I mean.

26:36.86
naftulyev
I Think that's anecdotal it.

26:52.38
Ben s
Corporations are clamoring for women because of you know the die mentality diversity inclusion and equity. Um, because of that you know they want ah female vps. They want female board members but the fact of the matter is look at law offices.

27:19.50
naftulyev
I.

27:24.14
Ben s
There are very few partners. There are very few vps and the reason why is not some no that bullshit bullshit I'm sorry I have dealt with too much HR bullshit to say that um you know.

27:39.40
naftulyev
That sexism that's why bunch of Nazi sexists.

27:55.74
Ben s
The reality is there's just not that many people out there willing to take the spot that are female.

28:11.40
naftulyev
And well and I think a lot of it too. All kidding aside it has to do with the willingness to sacrifice family for work which most men are willing to do and most women are not.

28:32.14
Ben s
Well and that just goes to fundamental differences. But you know anytime you're talking about the differences between men and women or the differences between races or the differences between Iq the thing we have to realize is there is more overlap than there is difference. But. At the extreme tail ends of the Bell curve those differences add up greatly. So yes, most men are interested in things. Most men are interested in work that doesn't mean no women are but when you go to? Who's the most maternal and who's the most.

29:27.40
naftulyev
And.

29:48.72
Ben s
Work oriented when you go to? Who's the most maternal. It's all going to be women when you go to? who's most work oriented. It's all going to be men because when you go to those tail ends of the spectrum. That's where the difference is really add up.

30:15.32
naftulyev
I yep so I was watching this documentary on orangut things. Do you know that ringing things are their their muscles are 4 times stronger than people.

30:21.84
Ben s
I guess.

30:35.34
Ben s
And ah does not surprise me ah chimps are way way stronger than humans. Yep.

30:53.38
naftulyev
I yeah well orangan pangs are bigger than chimps their ah females are none pounds males are 165 to none. Um, and the male's wingspanan if you will arms at the sides like that is eight feet and they're their muscles are not shadowy phrases theirre muscle fibers are 4 times stronger than human. In terms of the application of force. Yeah, so why aren't we using these things in the military I've seen them driving cars I've posted videos of them driving cars just fine.

31:59.60
Ben s
They're denser. Yeah.

32:10.28
Ben s
I think Soviet Union tried didn't they I think this soviet union tried some cross-breing programs in the fifty s ah I totally think. Ah.

32:37.90
naftulyev
Yeah, well, that's your allegation. But I I still think there there might be something to it because they're not you know I mean like what do you need to do really to be in the army and.

32:46.62
Ben s
Go ahead. Well, ah so the the issue you run into is why we don't use people under an adiq in the military they can't be trained well enough to be anything useful.

33:17.18
naftulyev
I But can't you just like simulate the taxs by giving them some food as a reward and then let them out somewhere.

33:31.32
Ben s
I don't know apparently not I mean the navy the na I mean use of animals in the military has been tried for a long time. The navy trained dolphins for a long time trying to you know use Dolph yep used dolphins to set off mines and shit like that. Ah, which.

33:54.88
naftulyev
So oh yeah, dolphins. Yeah no explosive explosive dolphins.

34:10.84
Ben s
You know that that that's an interesting tact here Flipper Go blow yourself up.

34:23.78
naftulyev
Yeah, exactly eggs that are here swim under that boat and we'll detonate the pack on your back. You know Peta kills more animals than any other organization in the planet.

34:26.65
Ben s
Yeah, yeah, pet peta definitely would not approve not Petta approved oh my god I do don't get me started on peta so ah, so here here's the thing i.

34:59.26
naftulyev
Yeah, all that right.

35:05.44
Ben s
The the phrase peta people for the ethical treatment of animals 100% agree we just don't agree on what is ethical and exactly.

35:20.16
naftulyev
Yeah, totally when what's an animal. The people count is pet doess treated people pretty poorly and in the past that's an.

35:32.44
Ben s
No Gene people are not animals. People are not animals. Yeah, um, you know. So for instance I go fishing I go hunting I do lots of things I I.

35:55.42
naftulyev
That's a lot of peas in there.

36:04.20
Ben s
1 of the reasons why I typically don't bow hunt I've only bow hunted under certain occasions where I had an on an opportunity to bow hunt on some property I will I had an opportunity to hunt on some property and they only allowed bow hunting so I got a crossbo learned how to use it I did archery in college i'm.

36:16.60
naftulyev
I.

36:37.38
naftulyev
And and.

36:48.64
naftulyev
Hey.

36:43.00
Ben s
Like decent shot that said part of the reason why I don't typically do it is because bow Hunters lose way more animals than rifle hunters. Um, the the idea. Ah you can do an ethical kill ah with a bow hunter but it's just not as consistent and I don't care how good you are.

37:05.86
naftulyev
I.

37:20.46
naftulyev
And.

37:22.46
Ben s
Just statistically over a period of time Bo Hunters are going to lose more animals. So I I I've a shoot I.

37:43.22
naftulyev
I Well it's interesting because I wouldn't have thought so now I've never bow hunted but I do really enjoy ah bone arrow like I go to the range. Um, it's nice and quiet. You can chat while you're there. You know it's like Thud thud. It's all you hear.

37:59.64
Ben s
Yeah, yep.

38:19.80
naftulyev
Um, but I'm ah a little surprised simply because the range that you're hunting at with a bone arrow is much shorter and those and those broadheads are making Jesus they they just bleed out an animal in like 15 seconds and

38:20.52
Ben s
Um, it's energy on Target. Yeah I yeah I use so I don't use a ah broad head I use this you know the razor heads that flip out. Um, yeah, they do.

39:01.62
naftulyev
You? Yeah yeah, ah any of those yeah there I mean they create a huge cut to bleed them up.

39:08.90
Ben s
But they don't have the same amount of impact. Um, so.

39:21.16
naftulyev
Yeah, they have more there's more foot pounds going through an arrow than the bullet. Oh absolutely well look it up right now. Dude because I know I have looked this up. Okay, okay.

39:21.72
Ben s
No, not true. No go ahead. You're you, you're wrong because of kinetic energy again I'll remind you. The kinetic energy is None so the velocity difference is the absolute.

39:59.46
naftulyev
Yeah, okay, Mr. Math and science.

39:59.44
Ben s
Killer there I'm sorry and a nine millimeter has more energy on Target than ah ah than an arrow ever could okay gene anyway, regardless um I have seen people lose deer um buddy man I was hunting with ah this.

40:16.48
naftulyev
We now we'll see.

40:35.48
Ben s
Beautiful, Beautiful buck came out and it was a big atypical took a shot hit it Square Good Good kill shot Buck flopped flopped flopped got off got up and worked away when we tried to track it down we so we broke down the the.

40:53.66
naftulyev
And.

41:13.50
Ben s
Stand we were in picked up another stand. So by the time we started tracking this deer it was 45 minutes an hour after the shot so didn't chase it didn't you know, do anything gave it plenty of time to just go lay down and find a spot you know and we start tracking it. We get about one hundred yards in

41:36.88
naftulyev
I.

41:51.82
Ben s
And look up and the buck is standing there with the broadhead and its sides still so we back off? Yeah, so we back off and we're finding huge blood clots along the way and I don't want to be too graphic. But um when I say this I mean above soft ball size. So this deer is hit.

42:07.20
naftulyev
Oh that sucks.

42:20.14
naftulyev
I.

42:28.40
Ben s
And hit well we at the Gps records we tracked it for over six miles the last bit of blood we found was about a dime size little thing and it was and we were in the middle of.

42:50.20
naftulyev
I Holy shit.

43:03.96
naftulyev
You to stop bleeding out.

43:06.40
Ben s
Um, ah, pine straw so it was probably within a hundred yards of us. But because of that you know pine Straw color the deer and everything else We never found it and that's what I hate because you know we lost that animal. Um, now.

43:18.58
naftulyev
And.

43:37.28
naftulyev
You Wow you wow you something it? yeah.

43:43.48
Ben s
Did he go to waste. No I guarantee you the carrying eaters everybody else, you know took care of it. It did not go to waste still I don't want an animal to be in that much distress I don't want to do that and you know a 1 and done. That's what I want.

44:15.22
naftulyev
You' yeah no I That's ah obviously you never want an animal that you've hit to be able to run away if you missed it completely then that's fine obviously but the you.

44:31.76
Ben s
Absolutely.

44:49.80
naftulyev
An animal that is bleeding out. You always want to track down so that's ah unfortunate.

44:45.36
Ben s
Yeah, and that that's one of the reason why I I I like head and neck shots on deer really because I'm going to do one of 2 things I'm going to kill it or I'm going to miss it.

45:07.46
naftulyev
You? Yeah yeah, and their heart is actually not as big as you'd think.

45:16.30
Ben s
No, it is not and you know what happened on that deer that I'm describing was probably hit slightly behind the heart and was a you know good lung shot and it was just an enough of a miss that it was able to.

45:39.56
naftulyev
And.

45:55.28
Ben s
Go for a very long way.

46:09.50
naftulyev
It? Yeah um, okay, so appears you're right? which is strange so I just did ah look it up here and it looks like. Using the arrows that I typically do I'm about at seventy foot pounds and the nine millimeter is about three hundred foot pounds yeah well um I guess that does make some sense but.

46:37.16
Ben s
You yeah and a 9 millimeers is going to be several hundred. Yeah yeah.

47:14.52
naftulyev
What if you use the heavier arrow to.

47:06.36
Ben s
Sure but the problem is the velocity. So again, your kinetic energy energy on Target is gonna be None so you double the mass you double the energy. Um, but you double the velocity is um.

47:41.86
naftulyev
I Um now oh interesting. Okay so I looked up using a bow. Let me look it up using a crossbow.

47:43.64
Ben s
Exponential. Even using a crossbow you're still not going to get the velocity up ah high enough. So you know, ah, even a very powerful crossbow you're going to be the arrow is gonna be moving at hundreds of feet per none a nine millimeter is going to be.

48:33.18
naftulyev
That at a thousand. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

48:25.88
Ben s
Moving closer to a thousand feet per second and so that that exponential curve on the velocity is just going to always beat out the mass of the arrow are in the case of a crossbow bolt.

48:53.26
naftulyev
And.

48:53.28
Ben s
So interesting thing you and I and Josh were talking about earlier. Ah yeah, so the blair white Alex Jones interview is plural.

49:15.98
naftulyev
We we talk about a lot of them which one oh and ah boy.

49:28.56
Ben s
Yeah, so apparently Alex Jones was sitting and talking to blair white one Saturday got drunk and passed out on camera and then came back and did another interview the next senator.

49:45.58
naftulyev
I I but this is what I like about ox like he's.

49:58.72
Ben s
Yeah, ah man I don't know.

50:23.20
naftulyev
He's not a immediate professional.

50:16.92
Ben s
In no way shape or form I mean he is Bill Hicks but you know beyond that. Yeah.

50:39.20
naftulyev
So yeah, and I'm assuming everybody knows who blair white is she's relatively famous at this point I've been watching her pretty much since she none got on Youtube um, she is a. Male to female transsexual. But I say transsexual, not transgender because she actually looks like a woman talks like a woman acts like a woman and very feminine exactly and she's short and.

51:30.64
Ben s
She prevents very feminine. Yes, like yeah, okay so you meet blair white in wherever you know Disneyland it doesn't matter. You would think she was a woman. Yeah.

52:05.00
naftulyev
You? Yep Yeah, you'd think oh who's this chick. Um, you would not think oh who's this tranny.

52:09.58
Ben s
Anyway, yeah I still contend. There's something going on between those. Ah so go ahead.

52:32.78
naftulyev
She yeah wasn't she sitting on Alex's lap when they were filming the episode of Tim cast here in Austin.

52:40.24
Ben s
They were sitting right next to each other that there were memes produced about stuff. Yeah, yeah, Um, in in that same Vein. So I was watching Star Trek Strange New worlds. And I thought the episode with the you know the transgender episode that's coming up that's been very much touted in the news of oh for pride Month. It's a ah Trans director and this Trans character is going to be in and so I thought that was this last week's Episode. So I was watching it and.

53:34.10
naftulyev
I.

53:45.30
naftulyev
And.

53:51.54
Ben s
The female character. The cast female character I'm like looking at it hair going I guess I guess I could see it but man she looks really I got the wrong episode. So it's this coming weeks episode. So this poor woman I'm sitting there thinking.

54:28.56
naftulyev
I Okay I had a dude. Yeah.

54:27.54
Ben s
This is a true you know it would and you know flat enough and ah masculine enough features. So it's it What a world we live in. Yeah.

54:46.56
naftulyev
You know the thing is if you once you get that in your head. It's hard to get it out of your head because like if somebody tells you Oh yeah, that's totally a transaction and just a regular woman. You're looking and you you start to find Clues I was like oh yeah I can see it. Yeah.

55:07.76
Ben s
Um, yeah, yeah, but.

55:25.50
naftulyev
Yeah, the cheekbones are oh I can see the Adam's sample yeah totally that's a guy. Yeah, just your your brain starts to find things to support. Ah, the conclusion. That's already been made.

55:21.48
Ben s
Anyway, ah.

55:36.94
Ben s
Well and it's an Alien chick. So she's got makeup on. You know she's got facial changes and stuff like that. So it's like you know hard to tell anyway. But ah.

56:03.76
naftulyev
So is this just simply a transsexual or transgender or whatever actress supposed to be next episode or is the character supposed to be trans.

56:13.48
Ben s
That is unclear yet so they haven't released a lot about it and I think I so they already have some non so they already have several nonbinary characters at this point in both Discovery and strange New Worlds. Yeah, but you know she just.

56:47.54
naftulyev
The but the Mexican check is.

56:53.40
Ben s
Quite frankly, looks like a dyke to me. Yeah, but whatever I have no problem with her character at all I actually kind of find her quirky and funny right? Not a big deal. Um on Discovery Ah, the nonbinnary that they have There is a little different which.

57:04.96
naftulyev
It Yeah, it totally looks like a day I thought that too.

57:31.16
Ben s
I Have not been able to get into Discovery I Just it's too fucking woke for me. Um, and I I am a Trekki like I grew up on Star Trek I grew up on T O S I grew up on T and G I.

57:56.74
naftulyev
And.

57:59.48
Ben s
Fucking watch the animated series for god's sake I have seen every episode of star trek ever made with the exception of some of discovery star trek to rath of Khan is my favorite movie. You know.

58:20.86
naftulyev
I well I always thought that that is a good movie. Um I always thought that Orville was more canon than discovery I always thought that oreville.

58:37.70
Ben s
So I'm sorry. Oh yeah, yeah, absolutely. Ah, the the Oreville which I haven't started season 3 yet but the Orville ah Seth Macfarlane ah he absolutely has shown himself to be a.

59:00.60
naftulyev
Sorry I'm I'm eating here while I'm talking to you but Oreville was more canon than discovery.

59:34.32
naftulyev
I Yeah, why didn't they hire him to do a real star trek.

59:25.46
Ben s
Very big Treky and ah they should have that lowered X he would have my my guy can you imagine a family guy Lowered X Star Trek First of all lower X is pretty good but my God could he have knocked that out of the park.

59:53.20
naftulyev
I.

01:00:05.30
naftulyev
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

01:00:03.80
Ben s
I mean after they saw what he did with the Oreville I don't know why they didn't probably because the Oreville competes but you know I I don't know.

01:00:26.96
naftulyev
Would that be a great way to remove the competition hire the guide.

01:00:25.96
Ben s
And well especially since it's um, the Orville's kind of been moved to Hulu only and everything else is you know, obviously probably 3 seasons is probably all we're going to get maybe 4 So yeah now I'm not either.

01:01:00.90
naftulyev
I Yeah I'm not counting in more than three. Um and I was very disappointed when they got rid of the um, the security officer chick that he was dating because he was dating her which was a stupid reason to get rid of her.

01:01:01.38
Ben s
I Think this third one's it. Yeah yep, yep.

01:01:20.82
Ben s
Yeah, um, so you know it it did you watch the ah Michaela and Jordan Peterson interview by any chance. Oh my god man. Um.

01:01:47.28
naftulyev
Yeah, that was great.

01:01:50.24
Ben s
None of all within the first twelve minutes Peterson curses. So if you haven't seen it go find it because it's fucking. Awesome. It's Peterson at his best it really is he is I think he's losing it a little bit so when I say that what I think I what I'm saying isn't that he's like.

01:02:02.48
naftulyev
I A big time I.

01:02:26.78
Ben s
Going back to drugs or having issues there. What I what I'm saying is I think he's fast approaching where I'm at and that's immense frustration with this world and everything going wrong in it and just standing up and saying fuck this no this far. No farther you are not going to cross this line.

01:03:04.60
naftulyev
And.

01:03:02.64
Ben s
No anyway, um, he had some great lines in there I.

01:03:28.28
naftulyev
I I Love the fact that they talked about his suit at the beginning of it like oh this packs really? well Yeah, it's a good travel suit I Really enjoy this.

01:03:37.80
Ben s
Yeah, his his clothing taste has definitely gone ah up with his income.

01:04:00.26
naftulyev
Oh absolutely no 2 ways about it. Yeah because you look at the suits he was wearing when he was teaching in Canada. Yeah.

01:04:01.42
Ben s
A professor. Yeah yes, well I mean but he went from making probably less than 100 grand a year or right around a None grand a year to millions a year I mean he.

01:04:34.74
naftulyev
Oh absolutely yeah I know when they did the tour with Dave um, they were doing a million bucks of theater.

01:04:42.46
Ben s
Oh easily I mean they were he probably in the first few years after 12 rules for life and those tours that he was doing was probably making between 20 and 30000000 pretty easily I mean I went to some of those lectures i.

01:05:08.92
naftulyev
So button. Yeah.

01:05:20.56
naftulyev
I yeah.

01:05:16.18
Ben s
You know I've been to a peterson lecture I'm a huge peterson fan. Um, a yeah I mean the the looking at the price of tickets looking at the price of the personal admission tickets where you get to go see him stuff like that and everything else and you you figure out that he's doing theaters with.

01:06:00.80
naftulyev
I Yeah yeah, that's awesome. Yeah I saw him here at the um, the same theater that the.

01:05:52.34
Ben s
10000 plus people in them literally. So have you ever been to Dallas in the Toyota Music Center absolutely oversold and packed. It's insanity I mean he.

01:06:40.28
naftulyev
Awesomeustin City limits is that can't remember the name the theater but yeah front row seats was very good.

01:06:44.54
Ben s
Yeah, and you know the way he does his lectures. Every show is different so you have people who I have attended multiple.

01:07:03.46
naftulyev
I I It's like the way I do this podcast I don't even think about what we're going to talk about and until we start.

01:07:10.42
Ben s
Yeah I mean I think of things I want to bring up like the star trek thing I was like I've got to tell gene that I was you know, really that because yeah, at the end I started Google you know I Amd being looking at the actresses and everything and I'm like.

01:07:32.28
naftulyev
And.

01:07:46.22
Ben s
Oh no wonder I was confused you know.

01:08:05.76
naftulyev
Wow, that's not that hard. That's what she said anyway. Ah, we're talking about Peterson.

01:08:02.96
Ben s
Ah. Ah, so yeah, so what have you been up to this week gene

01:08:32.68
naftulyev
I Well let me think so I am obviously busy working. But ah oh my? um, my world of worships gaming Clans started.

01:08:44.93
Ben s
Yeah, yeah I was in.

01:08:57.14
Ben s
Yeah, ah do you do? Audible books at all can I make a recommendation for you red Red rising.

01:09:08.18
naftulyev
New season. Yep and I go to a Klan rally scene I do yeah well yeah, book of the week sure go ahead, red rising.

01:09:32.52
Ben s
Yeah, it's ah it's a ah, the first set is a trilogy and then there's a None trilogy with the last book about to be published here pretty quick and I just read the first book and dude I went through that book in three days um and that's with work and with traveling and everything else I could not put it down.

01:10:05.56
naftulyev
So.

01:10:12.28
Ben s
Um, the it is violent. It is not a book you read to your kids but it's about this class structure that um is color base. So Golds are at the top reds are at the bottom.

01:10:30.18
naftulyev
I.

01:10:41.24
naftulyev
I Oh oh we did that I remember doing that that was an experiment we did in school.

01:10:46.46
Ben s
Yeah, so anyway, it's It's a very interesting book. It's about revolution. It's It's a very very interesting take on the evolution of humanity and everything else. Yeah I've only read the first book I'm on the second one now.

01:11:18.60
naftulyev
With a trilogy but like there's 3 of them here now. Why is there 2 versions of red rising.

01:11:26.96
Ben s
Ah, so there are 2 trilogies so there the the None book you should read is red rising and then there's a None trilogy that's finishing up with the last book here soon. There's so there's 5 books published currently.

01:12:01.12
naftulyev
I um, there appeared to be oh this one's in german no I was gonna say there's 2 actual red writings. But I figured out one of them is english one of them's german yeah, all right.

01:12:10.96
Ben s
Yeah, Audible will do that to you and why they don't filter based off of your language correct I'm on I'm I'm currently reading Golden Sun which.

01:12:34.34
naftulyev
So it's red rising Golden Sun and morning star. So I should get all of them and and and.

01:12:43.56
Ben s
Most people like Golden Sun more than red rising. But I'm the other way around red rising is too cool. Um I mean it. It tugs at your heartstrings. It's intellectual. It's got plenty of action. It's very well written. And this this is this author's none published work which is astonishing to me most authors none published work. Not this good in any way shape or form.

01:13:41.76
naftulyev
I all right I have just bought them all great I'll let you know how they are in 2027 I have about 114 books on my 2 listen to list right now.

01:13:51.92
Ben s
By the time Gene gets to this.

01:14:05.72
Ben s
My audible account. So I I will do audible Kindle whispersink back and forth and then I buy physical books as well. But my audible account alone probably has 500 books in I listen and read I go back and forth.

01:14:25.74
naftulyev
And.

01:14:39.46
naftulyev
Yeah, well, you probably listen to most. Right? But I mean there's probably not a None plus waiting of Unheard books. That's what I meant yeah and let me see I think less time I look mine was just over a hundred that I haven't listened to yet. Ah None.

01:14:43.50
Ben s
Between re actually reading and audible. No, there's 20 if that. Yeah.

01:15:30.16
naftulyev
I Well I'll get some.

01:15:20.72
Ben s
So well Gene it sounds like you need to take some more trips so that when you're driving you can listen to audible.

01:15:41.72
naftulyev
So I might I might have a ah trip a ah trip to cyrus coming up here.

01:15:52.98
Ben s
Cyprus really then when you say cyprus. Do you mean the Houston cyprus or do you mean the country.

01:16:15.98
naftulyev
And I mean the enclave of cyprus.

01:16:18.28
Ben s
Do explain.

01:16:31.58
naftulyev
It's but it's the one between Greece and turkey.

01:16:29.84
Ben s
Yeah, but okay, what what? what's taking you there.

01:16:48.58
naftulyev
So I just had some personal issues.

01:16:52.80
Ben s
Gene's going to meet his Kgb handler.

01:17:09.26
naftulyev
It. That's its you know it's just a foreign country I like the sand there. That's all good. Good Sand location.

01:17:08.84
Ben s
Ah, ah, well if it makes you feel any better I may be going to Florida here in July we've got to. We've got a trip that we booked actually before my son was even born and then um.

01:17:33.12
naftulyev
Oh nice. I Oh well.

01:17:45.48
Ben s
You know we we we got pregnant and then covid and everything else. So we've been delaying and delaying and delaying and it's I'm sorry no, it's ah it's a beachfront condo ah resort in Singer Island Florida

01:18:02.50
naftulyev
Is this like Disneyland or something or like trip to Disneyland or something or what.

01:18:30.50
naftulyev
And.

01:18:24.16
Ben s
Ah, that you know we we took the older kids to few years back and we loved it and we bought a another trip and then we've delayed it as long as we can and now it's at the point of use it or lose it. So yeah.

01:18:55.90
naftulyev
I this says a okay, got it, get it? Well um, yeah, that'll be fun I guess I mean July is not the best month to be in Florida. It's very human.

01:19:00.18
Ben s
So.

01:19:11.26
Ben s
Yeah, but it's a great time to be on the beach.

01:19:30.56
naftulyev
I All year long. It's great time to be on the beach or.

01:19:26.40
Ben s
Well, but the water's warm enough. It's not peak hurricane season. It's you know plenty of sunshiny days. It's you know that's what we were looking for. So yeah.

01:19:45.32
naftulyev
And.

01:19:59.54
naftulyev
Here.

01:19:56.30
Ben s
But anyway it it really. The only option we have is to extend it out to December at the most. So it's now you know? yeah ah the hotel the place for staying is prepaid and the rest of it is not but you know i.

01:20:15.34
naftulyev
It So you got to use it. So it's prepaid trip and look at it. This isn't one of those come for cheap and we'll try and sell you a time shirt things. Is it back.

01:20:37.72
Ben s
Ah, no, what it is. It's a Marriott vacation club property. But what it is is that we bought the points on the secondary market. So for one one of the things that a lot of people don't know is like with Marriott Vacation Club if you're in that timeshare bullshit which.

01:20:55.52
naftulyev
And.

01:21:20.92
naftulyev
I yeah.

01:21:15.44
Ben s
Don't want to ever sign up to be and I wouldn't um you can sell your points on the secondary market meaning someone like me can buy them and use them so that you're at least covering your cost for that year or whatever else, but oftentimes what you can find is points on the cheap because someone's just trying to dumpple you get them. You book them and you can do whatever. So.

01:21:35.92
naftulyev
I.

01:21:53.80
naftulyev
I yeah.

01:21:53.42
Ben s
Yeah.

01:22:03.98
naftulyev
Well there you go? Yeah, that sounds like a good deal.

01:22:02.60
Ben s
Well, you know what? the cool thing is so for instance, we are staying at the Marriott ah oceana palms singer island which is a pretty indecent little resort and we got a 2 wo-bedroom condo with

01:22:30.18
naftulyev
And.

01:22:37.10
Ben s
None queen beds a king bed and a pullout couch 2 bathrooms and a full kitchen ah ocean view. Anyway, we're gonna be there for None day five nights um we got it for like sixteen hundred bucks on the secondary market which is absolutely. Dirt cheap.

01:23:23.92
naftulyev
So okay, cool. Awesome.

01:23:20.34
Ben s
Yeah I'm I'm just saying travel tip.

01:23:36.20
naftulyev
It? Yeah no i's traveling to Florida in the summer is not super awesome it but just saying I mean yeah if you were doing it in the winter that would be awesome.

01:23:42.60
Ben s
Ah, okay, gene.

01:23:56.96
Ben s
Traveling to Florida in the summer One of the most popular destinations in the US for summer travel is not super awesome. Mr. G.

01:24:16.20
naftulyev
For winter travel winter travel people don't go to Florida it's 80% humidity there.

01:24:23.46
Ben s
I'm going to be in a bathing suit on the beach sipping a fruity drink which I never do anyway and watching the kids play in the ocean I'm good I'll be a much darker skinned individual when I come back.

01:24:50.64
naftulyev
I Okay that sounds good. Yeah yes and I'm I'm I probably will be as well. Ah, all right now that we got that out of the way. Yeah.

01:24:58.16
Ben s
Ah, anyway, indeed.

01:25:30.42
naftulyev
Ah, let's move on to the next segment. What's the next segment.

01:25:28.32
Ben s
Ah, um, well ah, the other thing that's on my mind is ah you know when we're looking at this divide in the country and I'm going to circle back to something we've kind of already talked talked about because.

01:26:00.28
naftulyev
And.

01:26:01.42
Ben s
I Really think that we're I never finished this thought on the immutable divide that we're coming up to and I really think it is immutable. Um, you have one side that is willing to commit violence from my perspective so they can kill babies and you have another side that's willing to commit violence.

01:26:39.20
naftulyev
I.

01:26:39.62
Ben s
So that they can have the guns to kill babies from another perspective. Um man I just don't see this going well and you have Biden up there talking about a nine millimeter being able to blow out a lung and you know looking at caliber restrict.

01:26:53.16
naftulyev
And.

01:27:17.80
naftulyev
What what was that all about what what the hell was that nine Millimeter lung thing came from.

01:27:21.18
Ben s
Idiocy senility I don't know I mean yes, sure a fucking 22 can I mean depends on what you mean by blow out a lung any a None a hollow point. You know what were you talking about.

01:27:45.42
naftulyev
I yeah, what does that mean I don't understand I hear a 50 cows can blow it along too.

01:27:52.10
Ben s
Yeah, 50 cow is a totally different animal. Um, you know I mean it all comes down to yeah ah, here's what it comes down to you know the the leftist.

01:28:16.28
naftulyev
I I hear 6.8 can plot a lot.

01:28:29.12
Ben s
Hang up on a militia right? So the ah well-organized militia being you know da the oh the None amendment only applies to militias that that is the question that has to be answered broadly by the supreme court is does the None amendment apply to the individual.

01:29:06.44
naftulyev
It No, it doesn't it was written I'd done the research many times I don't need to do it again like probably find it the definition of that phrase has been defined.

01:29:09.80
Ben s
You and I know this you and I know this I agree.

01:29:39.22
naftulyev
Two hundred years ago we don't need to redefine it.

01:29:31.50
Ben s
So a militia the the definition of the militia when the constitution was written when the bill of rights was written was the individual right to keep and bear arms and to form a defensive unit for criminal acts and everything else you have to think this is before police forces and anything else. So.

01:29:51.60
naftulyev
And.

01:30:10.88
Ben s
In in the terms of 1960 s 1960 s westerns forming a posse which was individuals armed individuals going after criminals that would have been the militia back in the day. Yeah well i.

01:30:29.20
naftulyev
You yeah or lynching posse.

01:30:58.46
naftulyev
Now I think this is what I've found and I can't remember whose ah whose book I was reading Define it but the the definition of Militia Why that term was used was specifically to differentiate it.

01:30:49.66
Ben s
Yeah.

01:31:35.20
naftulyev
From a government based military unit if it was not the army. It was not the Navy It was the militia which is comprised of free men who are armed that's it.

01:31:28.70
Ben s
Yeah, exactly.

01:31:48.98
Ben s
Citizenry Yeah, well and well and that goes to another point the constitution.

01:32:08.52
naftulyev
And and sorry and the phrase well-regulated in the vernacular two hundred years ago meant anything that was well- tuned and operating as what we'd call a well-oiled instrument today meaning they practiced.

01:32:11.40
Ben s
Training.

01:32:23.96
Ben s
Well and it was not to yeah, it was not to restrict the armament of un well you know and regulated Militias It was saying that the militias should train they should be armed they should know how to use their weapons. Not that.

01:32:52.98
naftulyev
You Yeah exactly.

01:33:01.62
Ben s
Well, if you're not trained. You shouldn't have them. Um, so.

01:33:13.18
naftulyev
It? Yeah, but more importantly, what the Us government's been trying to do is go after the militias that are doing the training which is literally going against the constitution.

01:33:17.98
Ben s
And yeah, absolutely well in people forget but the constitution has no provision for a standing army. So the the idea was that you know we are the united our harppo it again. We are the United States with the.

01:33:45.80
naftulyev
And. I No provision for income tax either.

01:33:54.94
Ben s
Well the no taxation Pat no taxation of the systemary powers at all except for tariffs and fee for service and by the way the supreme court ruled that the federal income tax at a amendment added no new taxation powers to the US government so

01:34:15.66
naftulyev
And.

01:34:35.82
naftulyev
I Yep, Ah, it's all voluntary. It's all voluntary. We just pay our taxes because we're volunteering them.

01:34:34.34
Ben s
Why does the Irs exist I'm sorry no I pay my taxes at the point that the barrel of a gun.

01:35:03.30
naftulyev
You Yeah well there might be a barrel. But ultimately you're volunteering.

01:35:01.98
Ben s
What was it that Mao said all political power originates from the barrel of a gun or something to that effect.

01:35:23.38
naftulyev
I yeah well I think that was said before mau if ah I think that actually the hell did I remember how hearing that I think that does predate Mao was in the 1800 someone so that.

01:35:37.64
Ben s
Yeah, well regardless, um, the the the point is this gun grab that we see them doing is. Going to if they get anywhere with it. I I see us rapidly devolving I'll use my friend as an example of None people who are very much in the same vein of thought completely diverged. And the last time we saw this brother against brother if you would was you know the war of northern aggression.

01:37:07.00
naftulyev
I yeah it yeah no, it's I mean I I think that heres here's why I'm not totally on board with you is just because I've been hearing this for 20 years and I my.

01:37:28.72
Ben s
Um, yeah.

01:37:44.14
naftulyev
Conclusion is that the vast majority of current gun owners or pussies at least to the extent that they will happily have their guns be lost in the boning accident and never utilize them I think that's easily 90% Of Ah people that currently own firearms. Yeah.

01:38:15.36
Ben s
Yeah, sadly I agree with you and to those people I would say if you ever feel like you have to hide your guns. You've missed the time to use them. Um, you know I I would remind people ah that you know.

01:38:44.40
naftulyev
And.

01:38:52.36
Ben s
The declaration of Independence talks about several things. Everybody just remembers. You know we hold these truths to be self-evident and so on but you know it talks about that. The bonds between men. Ah, let me see here that to secure these rights governments are instituted among men. Driving their just powers from the consent of the govern that whenever any form of government becomes destructive to these ends the right of the people to alter or abolish it or institute new governments laying the foundation for such principles powers with in the the happiness imprudence.

01:40:04.38
naftulyev
And.

01:40:07.14
Ben s
Prudence indeed will dictate that governments long establish should not be changed for transient causes. Accordingly all experience hath shown that mankind is more disposed to suffer evils while evils are sufferable than to right. Themselves by abolishing forms which they are accustomed and I think those are very true words So you know I think that's exactly and I think that is the place we're in is that we have long established ties. We have been accustomed.

01:41:01.34
naftulyev
I yeah could have been written today.

01:41:14.60
Ben s
Yes, these evils exist and there are those of us that are chafing against it. My point is I see a dramatic shift in the populace that you know from both sides that that's the key is it's not just the right going ah tyrants. No, you're taking away this.

01:41:29.20
naftulyev
And.

01:41:55.40
naftulyev
I.

01:41:52.74
Ben s
I Think we have two wedge issues that affect two different sides dramatically that people will be willing to go to warover.

01:42:18.84
naftulyev
Um, yeah I Do think that there's a ah certainly we're getting closer to the legitimacy of doing that but I still am not convinced that there will be a sufficient number of people. To make that decision it it I mean there have been times where it felt like we were right on the brink and certainly ah the Randy Weaver situation was one of those times. Yeah, and you know there was yeah.

01:43:08.50
Ben s
Um, Waco yeah snowden.

01:43:34.52
naftulyev
Ah, less so with stone I think just simply because he wasn't killed by the US government he managed to sneak away. Um, oh you mean the revolution. The revelations from him. Yeah yeah, ah yeah.

01:43:39.74
Ben s
Yeah I mean I When the snowden revelations came out I couldn't believe that we didn't have a revolution in this country.

01:44:13.16
naftulyev
I Guess I don't know I I thought like like I've had sufficient ah Purview. Let's just say into the activities of. Contractors doing work for certain government agencies to know most of the shit that came out of the soden thing was going on what was going on and I I Happily told people that were interested and nobody believed me that was happening and I was like oh yeah, I don't think that's happening. Okay, all right? and so for me the Snowden stuff was more of a.

01:45:06.38
Ben s
Yeah, well yeah for me too. So the the joke in the security security community for a long time was I heard the and nsa can fill in blank and they can do it.

01:45:24.66
naftulyev
Okay, see told you it was more of a confirmation that was public that.

01:45:44.32
naftulyev
I.

01:45:42.20
Ben s
But my point was I was in the same boat where I followed Benny I followed everybody else I was in cybersecurity I knew lots of shit going on and what it came down to was holy shit now this is public. It's not just me being a wild conspiracy theorist.

01:46:17.42
naftulyev
That right.

01:46:20.54
Ben s
Come on everybody where where you at you know.

01:46:31.64
naftulyev
You? Yeah yeah, and it's not conspiracy theorists. It's like if you work in infosec certainly when I was working there. Ah either you're working on projects that ultimately the budget is paid for by the government or your buddy works for one of those. Somebody in your affinity group. Absolutely 100% is working on them. It's still true today still today true I know people that have clearances and that are working projects for those agencies and and so to me all these revelations that came out of the.

01:47:11.44
Ben s
Yep, ah.

01:47:48.62
naftulyev
Well, even even the stuff coming out of wikileaks like nothing to me was surprising because the vast majority of that stuff I'd already heard from you know, personal interactions one way or another or I was involved in I mean and I'd done work for department defense stuff in the past. So. There's it's it's like the worst kept secrets you know what? I mean.

01:48:27.20
Ben s
Yeah, ah, well, but that that's fairly normal in this world right? Ah there there are lots of things that are in absolute plain sight. Um MKUltra is a great example where.

01:48:50.48
naftulyev
I.

01:49:06.58
naftulyev
And.

01:49:02.28
Ben s
This has been in the vernacular and known and gulf of tonkin same sort of thing. Oh no, no, that's just the conspiracy theory documented history. At this point you know building 7

01:49:19.38
naftulyev
You? Yep yep yep attack on Pearl Harbor yep 3 center 7

01:49:35.94
Ben s
Yeah, ah that one hasn't quite hit the history books yet, but it will um yeah, the saudi ah the one that has is the saudis um involvement right? for forever. It was oh just a conspiracy theory that the Saudi Arabians were involved.

01:50:06.16
naftulyev
I yeah yeah, it was only Saudi Arabians involved

01:50:10.46
Ben s
Now it is released and absolutely oh my God and the the concept of oh this plane and everything but we found the passport balls.

01:50:43.60
naftulyev
Yeah.

01:50:38.90
Ben s
You know the lies that the public believes and just glosses over is just astonishing to me. Oh yeah, absolutely love that movie I In fact.

01:50:53.40
naftulyev
I You you remember Wag the dog the movie it that was a great movie I was shocked when it was made and I'm still shocked that it's still available. But that's fraud. Yeah, they've managed to at least.

01:51:09.24
Ben s
Ah, nobody watches it though nobody gets it. It's yeah I mean it's one of those things that when Lindsay and I were dating I was like here. Let's watch a movie. Yeah.

01:51:32.72
naftulyev
Keep the interest level low.

01:51:47.18
naftulyev
Oh God and the whole time you're sitting there looking at her instead of the movie. Ah yep, exactly.

01:51:49.24
Ben s
Ah, yeah, trying to see does she get it does she understand? Yeah, yeah, yeah, it's one of those things that once once you open yourself up to the fact that the government's going to lie to you. And you start looking for it. You go Holy shit. Why did I not see this before.

01:52:42.66
naftulyev
I yeah and maybe because I was born in the Soviet Union that I always have the expectation. The government's lying to me at all times. So it's not really unexpected and therefore I i.

01:52:58.32
Ben s
Yeah, right.

01:53:22.58
naftulyev
Ah, he's noticed things that are a little bit off.

01:53:15.16
Ben s
Yeah, you know I mean so I was born in 86 and all I can say is that I the government has always lied to me. Um.

01:53:55.46
naftulyev
And.

01:53:53.58
Ben s
That said, my parents' generation I don't know that that can be necessarily I'm sure they were lied to but not as frequently for their entire lives. So It really becomes a generational issue where. The lies become more frequent and for less good reason.

01:54:38.58
naftulyev
It I Don it think that has a little to do with the concentration of media that we have now like you know fifty sixty years ago well probably let's say eighty years ago radio was your main source of. Finding things out in newspapers.

01:55:09.80
Ben s
Well and the newspapers and radios were individually owned the problem we have now. So so the problem we have now is actually we have more channels We have more media but the problem we have now is that mainstream media is controlled.

01:55:28.30
naftulyev
They Yeah yeah, they weren't conglomerations. Yeah.

01:55:48.10
naftulyev
I yeah yeah 7 companies are or is it 7 families then. Ah.

01:55:45.00
Ben s
Buy like 7 companies.

01:55:58.00
Ben s
And both yeah this discovery takeover of Cnn is definitely going to be interesting.

01:56:24.54
naftulyev
That that is bizarre to me. It just seems like why who who thinks this is a good purchase.

01:56:27.50
Ben s
Ah, well, the guy who is heading it up as a big Trump supporter so that's an interesting thing ah them killing off Cnn plus the way they're going through doing all this. It's going to be interesting so the entire take. Yeah.

01:56:50.94
naftulyev
Yeah.

01:57:03.12
naftulyev
And on Cnn plus had less viewers than timcast.

01:57:07.50
Ben s
I think where they're going is to take a name brand I think the entire purchase was around the name brand and to turn it back into an actual news organization. So for instance, what you see ah coming out of Fox which you see coming out of you know, most outlets. All all we see is opinion any.

01:57:51.30
naftulyev
That Yeah, that's all it is yep.

01:57:47.12
Ben s
It there. There's no fricking news left. It's all just opinion at least in the video form. Ah you in video form. Yes I mean you can still find written journalism. But.

01:58:03.30
naftulyev
you you know but ironically you have to go to Youtube to find news. And.

01:58:20.64
Ben s
Anything that's a talking head on Tv at this point if you look is news. In fact, if you look in ah not necessarily Tv guy but you look in you know, whatever system you want to look at a lot of it's ah entertained. It's classified as entertainment content not news.

01:59:04.64
naftulyev
I yeah I mean like I've been enjoying the the David Nattenboro dinosaur documentaries which is more news than what's what's on Cnn.

01:59:16.60
Ben s
Yeah I haven't watched any of those. But.

01:59:35.34
naftulyev
And well you know the computer graphics are good enough finally to do very realistic presentations of the dinosaurs walking around which I've always loved watching dinosaurs and you know just I like lizards.

01:59:54.38
Ben s
Yeah, but I mean it's a total guess and you know the the problem I have with all archeology and paleontology. Especially.

02:00:25.72
naftulyev
And.

02:00:22.40
Ben s
Is that you're making assumptions broad broad assumptions based off of fragments.

02:00:40.62
naftulyev
And like oh yeah, yeah, but this is why it's fun is because this that quote unquote science keeps changing as they discover better interpretations of what we're finding like the actual you know none Millions of years old ah fossilized bones haven't changed but what we can determine about them has and that's I think a good thing so we're we're getting more and more details. Um about things like feathers like.

02:01:20.22
Ben s
Yeah.

02:01:55.26
naftulyev
Just how close to birds these critters were ah even about pigments were that were now able to determine based on what's been fossilized. Um, you know their diets. There are a lot of these things are starting to become more more. Ah. Realistic because for a long time dinosaurs were just mythical dragons they were there were dragons who happened to have left a couple of bones. You know, ah and by Dragons I mean like the kind from old fairy tales that fly around and breathe fire Now they're.

02:02:53.60
Ben s
So so.

02:03:09.84
naftulyev
Getting closer and closer to what frickin' birds are they're just really big birds. So.

02:03:05.22
Ben s
Let me ask you this. What do you What is your take on the creationist ah side of that theory that men and dinosaurs lived at the same time. Ah that Laza ah leviathan out of the bible is a reference to a large reptile. Things like that.

02:03:53.72
naftulyev
Well, there's 2 things there. None of all people created stories to explain the unknown and we've been doing that since we were hundreds of thousands of years old ever since language was established people have been creating stories.

02:04:15.74
Ben s
And absolutely the oral tradition. Yeah, the oral tradition.

02:04:30.46
naftulyev
Biblical stories are no different. But yeah yeah I mean that like people are not the only animals that communicate but we're the ones that have developed the richest form of communication even to the degree where those parts of our brains are larger. Compared to other parts of our brains than in any other animal so you know biblical stories are are fine in whatever religious text if you look at the ah, what is it The baffa Gita the Indian ones. There's a lot of.

02:05:03.22
Ben s
Move.

02:05:28.46
Ben s
Um.

02:05:45.62
naftulyev
Things that can be pointed at and said see this is just explaining this thing and it yes did people live with dinosaurs. Well the minute we find a human bone that can be carbonated the same.

02:05:42.20
Ben s
But or my question though was so.

02:06:18.96
naftulyev
Time period as a dinosaur bone then I'll say yes for now no fucking way.

02:06:12.98
Ben s
Okay, so why do you think carbon decays at a steady rate. No no, no I said why do we think new. So this is a problem I have so we have limited observation.

02:06:35.80
naftulyev
What why does it decay I think that you should answer that. That's a mathematical formula.

02:06:48.62
Ben s
And there's enough variability in the detection of carbon and the instrumentation is only new enough that we can we it this comes back to like big bang theory stuff and everything else. Um, there are assumptions made and taken as gospel that I would say need to be None

02:07:17.10
naftulyev
And.

02:07:27.20
Ben s
You need to look at that again and challenge and validate and it may be validated. It may work out fine. But um, why do we assume decay at a constant rate Only we've only had the ability to measure it.

02:07:58.22
naftulyev
We? Well we can measure it.

02:08:03.60
Ben s
Accurately enough for 50 years so when you're talking about decay over hundreds of thousands millions billions of years I'm sorry you don't have enough of a sample size to determine that. That's my entire point.

02:08:41.70
naftulyev
To determine what? what are you saying is not accurate.

02:08:38.64
Ben s
So the assumption is that carbon ah 14 decays at a constant rate over period over any scale we do not have enough observational data to determine that we have physical theories. We the.

02:09:22.88
naftulyev
So you're saying we don't know that the half-life of carbon 14 is None

02:09:18.54
Ben s
Theoretically Yes, we do not know that the half-life of any element is constant. We we have a theory. We have a theory.

02:09:48.30
naftulyev
We We don't know that it isn't either.

02:09:48.32
Ben s
We do not have any sort of statistically valid observational data to prove it that that's my entire point I Fully believe that it could absolutely be stable and work out that way.

02:10:18.78
naftulyev
So okay, do do you believe that? um radioactive isops decay. Okay and how do you know the decay. How do you know the decay. Okay.

02:10:20.62
Ben s
Yes, ah we I mean it's observable I'm sorry because of their release of energy.

02:10:54.90
naftulyev
They release energy can we measure the amount of energy release. Okay can we measure the amount of time that passes. Yeah, how do you from that not derive a constant Ray of decay.

02:10:47.70
Ben s
Ah, yes, yes.

02:11:10.18
Ben s
Scale So anytime. Ah ah so no, so what it comes down to is if you look at thermodynamics and you look at actual reactions and chemistry and everything else. Um.

02:11:26.64
naftulyev
This is the scale necessary for you to believe this the scale of the entirety of the universe.

02:11:50.80
naftulyev
And.

02:11:47.76
Ben s
In observation of things that happen a lot faster. You get to tipping points where you get to a point where suddenly the reaction starts happening faster and faster or slower and slower depending on the reaction because you get to those tipping points.

02:12:14.66
naftulyev
And.

02:12:21.62
Ben s
Why would we assume that radioactive decay is any different.

02:12:39.52
naftulyev
I Um well I I mean if you reenergize the carbon ah to make up for the loss of energy and from decay you could have a steady state. Sure.

02:12:34.68
Ben s
Um, so you can the way around this and the.

02:12:55.62
Ben s
Okay, so so my point is ah number None radioact so carbon dating relies on a few things. So the answer to this and I'm gonna play my own devils I've here because I'm asking you and anyway what it comes down to is um we can play with scale. To see if you know the amount of carbon that's in the system decays differently based off the amount of carbon 14 so on so forth. We didn't find that to be true. So okay, that's not ah the tipping scale issue that I just brought up is probably not an issue. Um, the other thing is that we're assuming that all the carbon 14 that was created was created at the same time.

02:14:23.50
naftulyev
It No, we're not assuming that at all, it's constantly created in up or atmosphere from Nitrogen Fourteen, that's where it comes from.

02:14:24.20
Ben s
A hair Then how can you then? how can carbon dating ever work.

02:14:48.00
naftulyev
Well because the carbon is something that comprises what we care about which is the ah the cells the makeup of the cells of the animals when they were alive and then including their bones. Yeah.

02:14:48.24
Ben s
So the way.

02:15:02.32
Ben s
And then when they die and it starts decaying but you're assuming it's decaying at a constant rate and there's no new carbon introduced into the system.

02:15:31.14
naftulyev
I I think ah well yeah, I mean if there is I'd love to see how because we're not these are not bones floating in the upper atmosphere where they're constantly bombarded by Cosmic radiation and are capable of re-energizing. Carbon and or or creating carbon from Nitrogen These are bones that are in.

02:16:07.42
Ben s
Carbon dating is based off an absolute scale. Okay, so if you're saying that new Carbon King be created so here's here's the problem. New carbon can be created I'm a living being I have carbon in me Great I die.

02:16:43.37
naftulyev
Yep yep yep.

02:16:43.44
Ben s
Where does your scale start for the decay ratio when I die right? Okay, how do you determine the beginning of your scale.

02:17:06.20
naftulyev
I yeah.

02:17:17.20
naftulyev
I. Well I if I remember right? and granted I'm not a math and science major but it's something like None times 10 to the twelfth of every carbon atom is a carbon fourteen atom in a ah production of a currently living on the planet animal. So if we have a lower amount of carbon 14 that means some of it has decayed or are you saying that the planet's percentage of carbon 14 was lower already millions of years ago

02:18:13.48
Ben s
Well so we don't know and is new carbon None whether from atomic principles or anything else capable of being created. The answer is yes. Okay, there can be transformations the the amount of carbon 14 in the universe that we started with isn't what we're going to end with There are reactions that happen. It can be variable. So how do you set that scale but all let's assume that we started with a hundred ah hundred kilograms of carbon 14 in the entire universe at the beginning of the big game. Big bang in its decay.

02:19:27.70
naftulyev
It no, that's that's ah, that's not an argument dude. That's that's a complete red herring because that's just a false statement. There is not a fixed amount of carbon 14 But there is a fixed amount of carbon 14 in a fixed amount of.

02:19:29.78
Ben s
It at that's my point so that I'm using that red herring to illustrate this in a biological entity. Yes.

02:20:07.52
naftulyev
Ah, what used to be organic material that has not been exposed to radiation.

02:20:01.44
Ben s
Okay, okay so how do you set the scale to derive time.

02:20:31.62
naftulyev
So um, well that I think you could do empirically.

02:20:32.12
Ben s
Please tell me how because I I I disagree you're making assumptions an assumption.

02:20:47.56
naftulyev
We? Well we know the None -life of carbon fourteen, we've done we've measured that right None okay so if we measure the amount of carbon 14

02:20:55.52
Ben s
Yeah, okay so how's there So how can you date anything older than that. How can you date anything older than that or even take it to the full life right.

02:21:25.44
naftulyev
And.

02:21:26.28
Ben s
So 7000 whatever you just quoted I'll assume you're correct because I don't remember off the top of my head so over 15000 years how do you date anything all the carbon 14 should not exist.

02:21:37.26
naftulyev
I yeah.

02:21:55.46
naftulyev
What What do you mean? should not exist Halflife doesn't mean it all goes away at once. Well, that's fine, but doubling doesn't doesn't remove all of it are You are you calculating half-life based on.

02:21:52.98
Ben s
I doubled it.

02:22:26.94
naftulyev
You lose None in 5730 years and you lose all of it in 10000 it's a None it goes on forever. So if you start with a if you start? yeah.

02:22:19.00
Ben s
No, it's ah it's a it's a curve you're you're miss yeah I understand this? Yeah yeah, that that's like arguing that I can never get anywhere right? So if I cover half the distance between me and an object and then half then none then I can never actually get there. Reality is something different so this is my entire point in principle is that one we're basing this off of the theory that a that is a continuous progression and we never get to None our ability to measure that to the point of you know, infinitesimal ah dilution becomes a problem There are many many problems with this and when you're talking the scale of None and billions of years man I don't know and then the background radiation. Anyway, there there are lots of things that at the surface. Yes, it makes sense. But when you look at.

02:23:44.68
naftulyev
I.

02:24:11.32
Ben s
The things I'm saying um I think there's a difference and I don't know. Yeah.

02:24:32.50
naftulyev
You yeah, you're not making sense right now. Dude you're you're just throwing your words around I if you can rationally explain why carbon None dating could not work I'm all years but this is something that I I think has been substantially enough demonstrated that. That to make a valid argument against that you have to demonstrate how it's not working. Not theoretically if this if that.

02:25:20.20
Ben s
There are theoretical assumptions that are being used to validate carbon 14 dating. Okay so examples would be if we have something from the experiments to validate carbon 14

02:25:44.16
naftulyev
I.

02:25:59.30
Ben s
To really validate. It would be take an object of an organic nature that we have enough provenance on to know exactly what happened when and then none to none at the very least know when this person died. Let's take you know. Not not within thousands of years range but at least down to within this hundred years this person died ten thousand years ago okay order of magnitude operations and to be able to do that across multiple experiments and consistently show the same results and that has never been done.

02:27:00.84
naftulyev
I.

02:27:23.74
naftulyev
It ah I don't know that you need to do that because the amount it's not a person. It's any any organic substance. So it's plants animals you know, whatever is between those 2 animals.

02:27:39.94
Ben s
I was giving an example where we would probably have the provenance to know at least within 100 years of when something ended because you have a you have a scale issue here gene and that's my entire point and I think we're going way off into the weeds and people are like what the fuck are these 2 talking about.

02:28:06.88
naftulyev
Yeah.

02:28:19.00
naftulyev
I Well this is fun though I enjoy going off into the weeds this is this is this kind of stuff that wakes me up.

02:28:19.32
Ben s
Yeah, so so my entire argument here is not that I don't believe in carbon dating is not that I don't you know? Anyway, my point is about statistics and people ignoring scale. So when you go from experiments that are. Less than None years ah known provenance and you have issues where you are looking at the the fidelity of our instrumentation and the ability to look at the.

02:29:08.32
naftulyev
I.

02:29:31.82
Ben s
Infinitesimal amount of carbon left here when you look at all this those errors whenever you're calculating out into time. Um, add up significantly. So Even if your measurement is. As perfect as you can make it even if carbon decays. Absolutely perfectly. Okay.

02:30:12.84
naftulyev
It's well it's that's not even okay, sorry I I'm not going to interrupt you again here. It's irrelevant is what I would say because my original statement is is the same whether or not carbon 14 dating works which is as soon as you find. Human ah remains that are in the same time frame and you're saying well carbon dating doesn't work. Okay, in the same layer of the biological substrate. Ah that shows.

02:31:08.10
Ben s
You mean geological. Yeah, so we have instances of human and dinosaur or human-esque footprints.

02:31:27.66
naftulyev
Humans and dinosaurs. Yeah, geological right? You're right.

02:31:39.98
naftulyev
We we do not? We absolutely do not We have instances of exposure of dinosaur substrate at a time when humans were around and we still do right now.

02:31:56.20
Ben s
And this is why the geologic record cannot be relied upon and why we go to carbon 14 and why we just had this entire discussion.

02:32:22.34
naftulyev
It? Well yeah, that's fine, but it it sort of doesn't matter I mean whether carbon 14 dating works or the way you think it does or doesn't if you measure both in that location both the human remains and the dinosaur remains. The amount of carbon 14 in each will be different and it should be the same if they were it doesn't matter what the actual number is but it should be the same if they were around in the same timeframe. That's it. That's all I'm saying.

02:33:03.44
Ben s
Agreed.

02:33:30.18
naftulyev
Yeah, now would it have been cool to be around with dinosaurs. Yes, can we get there I think so I know that right now already in Russia they've they've created the woolly mammoth. Yeah I would love to have a Jurassic park like that to me would be the coolest.

02:33:40.40
Ben s
Gene's Jurassic Park I'm sorry yeah.

02:34:03.84
naftulyev
I would pay thousands of dollars to go there. Okay, okay, well yeah, fair enough, fair enough but at some point the price should drop. Not not maybe the None people going there. But after that the prices should go down a little bit. Um.

02:33:56.40
Ben s
It would probably be None But yes.

02:34:22.32
Ben s
Ah.

02:34:37.50
naftulyev
I think reptiles are fascinating and I think certainly the vast array of dinosaur species bones that we uncovered and even though I do agree with you that we can't know exactly what they looked like because the only things preserve their bones. Ah, we don't have any anything. Like skin preserved. We do have imprints from the skin. We even have pigment transfers from the skin which is very cool but we don't have the skin itself so we are taking a lot of guesses at so exactly what these critters looked like but we know that they. Grandsaurus Rex had little tiny arms and and we're still questioning why it even needed arms at all and.

02:35:41.56
Ben s
Yeah, how cool would it be to actually find a yeah, they're vestigial. You know why don't you have a tailbone um, it would be interesting to find ah you know the Jurassic Park trope of a. Mosquito trapped in the Amber and with preserved genetic material.

02:36:29.64
naftulyev
They yeah they well they have that they I mean that's he he got it from a real story like actual news articles. Um all over Scandinavia you can get Amber with insects trapped inside. It's.

02:36:48.12
Ben s
Absolutely. But yeah, yeah, that's not the question. It's a mosquito with the exactly. That's what I was saying is viable, genetic material. So.

02:37:03.40
naftulyev
Reasonably priced even that's not exactly expensive. Yeah, the problem is the Dna is completely broken down is it is in way incomplete. Yeah yeah, it's it just doesn't exist. Yeah, unfortunately. Um, you know the the. The decay of actual Dna does happen over time. So with nothing to repair it. Yeah.

02:37:39.74
Ben s
But well actually fairly rapidly I mean your genetic material has to be it has to be constantly. Ah, you know your your telomeres are fading very quickly and you know that's a whole other thing about your genetic age and the chemical process of replication.

02:38:07.34
naftulyev
You? Yep yeah.

02:38:15.30
Ben s
Failing yeah because the actual strand of Dna is not stable over time right? And as you have genetic replication those telomeres get shorter and shorter and shorter.

02:38:25.20
naftulyev
You Yeah exactly. So I.

02:38:42.26
naftulyev
They do.

02:38:42.30
Ben s
And then you get into the research around like BioPQQ and things like that an actual ah you know ability to ah so stop telomere loss and some very interesting things.

02:39:13.60
naftulyev
I Yep well and then ah one theory which I kind of like is that the telomeres were actually a um, an antidote to cancer or a way effectively to prevent cancer. Uncontrolled regeneration of cells. They were a a time maximum amount of replication limiter that was in place like you don't need telomeres like you can.

02:39:46.86
Ben s
Yeah.

02:40:20.36
naftulyev
If you're doing all of this on the computer simulation. You can replicate Dna all you want without any any telomeres in place. Um, you could do it to some extent even in real in real life. But the fact that the telomer is kind of like the snake on a ah on a rattlesnake or snake. Kind of like the tail on a rattlesnake where every time the snake sheds it exposes None additional vertebrae so you can you can see how old the snake is by looking at how many vertebrae and.

02:41:15.28
Ben s
It's kind of the inverse. But yeah and you know it's It's interesting that you use that snake ah metaphor and you know you go to creation myths and ah the ah the price of death being introduced.

02:41:53.98
Ben s
Anyway, I'm just saying there's some deep meaning there. Okay so story of Adam and eve you know, yeah, don't eat of the mortality being introduced. Yes, so and you know you use the metaphor of the snake and garden of eden or.

02:42:06.94
naftulyev
I say again I didn't follow right? Oh you mean mortality being introduced. Yeah, yeah, yeah, right.

02:42:33.14
Ben s
And and there are multiple creation mess that follow along the same route.

02:42:47.96
naftulyev
I Yeah and and here if you only ask me for the oams Razin explanation of why are there dragons and myths and dinosaurs are probably the closest thing we have to yeah multiple cultures and dinosaurs are probably the closest thing we have um in.

02:42:53.62
Ben s
Um, across multiple cultures.

02:43:24.96
naftulyev
You know, actual relics that that would be seen as dragons by primitive people and I think the answer is actually very simple which is a lot of the dinosaurs fossils were discovered in the ah None and eighteen hundreds. And certainly more in the nineteen hundreds and none century as technology improved but people have been finding fossilized dinosaur bones for you know, hundreds of years and there's nothing to say that that couldn't have happened 1000 years or five thousand years ago or two thousand years ago or whatever time frame.

02:44:17.98
Ben s
Yeah.

02:44:36.36
naftulyev
How do you explain to somebody a giant leg bone that you discovered in a desert or when you're digging and planting a garden and.

02:44:47.80
Ben s
I Don't think you go to a large lizard I think you look at whatever animals are surrounding you at the time and go It's a giant whatever. Ah so I don't think that ancient man had the sophistication to say oh this is a Reptilian bone versus um, ah mammalian.

02:45:10.44
naftulyev
And.

02:45:30.10
naftulyev
Oh I totally agree, but your your closest availability of these bones well because your closest availability those place they're going to be ah exposed by wind the most is in the Middle East where most of these myths actually come from.

02:45:23.60
Ben s
And so on. So so why isn't it a myth of a giant cow.

02:46:09.52
naftulyev
And now you can say well what about China yeah, what about China and their dragons chinese dragons don't look like western dragons chinese dragons are vastly different. They have little tiny wings and they're a lot more snake-like.

02:46:00.88
Ben s
Explain the Chinese dragons. Yeah.

02:46:44.64
naftulyev
And I think that.

02:46:35.28
Ben s
Snakelike and more lionesque. The head is always reminded me of a lion like.

02:46:50.52
naftulyev
Yeah, yeah, and I think that they do call and call that at this point in time. But I think it makes a lot more sense that when chinese discover what appears to be giant size bones that you veer towards a snake because. That is where giant pythons come from today. They come from the the southern um, you know Cambodia the southern areas around China this is where my snake is from. It makes more sense that they would take an animal that.

02:47:39.64
Ben s
Yeah I mean.

02:48:06.88
naftulyev
Is scary because it kills people and then finding something that looks similar but bigger say well this must be a giant thing now I don't know the Chinese word for Dragon I Don't know if if there's any relation to it. Maybe maybe it's not called Dragon in Chinese Maybe it's just Called. You know, giant flying animal I don't know what it is.

02:48:37.24
Ben s
Here? Well regardless, um I think most myths are based in reality of some sort so late know last time we talked about the potential of you know some of the the flood mythology and things like that I think.

02:49:03.48
naftulyev
I yeah.

02:49:17.70
naftulyev
And.

02:49:16.96
Ben s
That there is a source of truth for anything that especially gets replicated across Culturally and this much so you know um I don't know I Ah I am not such a create. Absolutely.

02:49:49.80
naftulyev
Yeah, the show Alien Astronauts was built on that exact concept. Why do we have so much symbology of aliens all over the entire world in primitive cultures.

02:49:54.54
Ben s
Um.

02:50:01.82
Ben s
Yeah, and I'm not so much of a creationist that I necessarily believe that you know dinosaurs and humans exist as I don't buy into the 7000 year old earth or anything like that. So please don't get me wrong I'm playing Devil's advocate and really actually my argument on carbon dating is somewhat pedantic and it's.

02:50:34.90
naftulyev
You yeah.

02:50:41.80
Ben s
Focusing on the issue of statistical and so my argument against global warming and the global warming models is the exact same thing. You don't have enough evidence. You don't have enough data. You don't You cannot drive that statistically without putting in enough errors to be absolutely irrelevant at the scale you're talking about that's my entire point.

02:50:58.40
naftulyev
And.

02:51:21.20
naftulyev
Yeah, well and I don't know if you listen to the episode of sergen speaks that I did that talked about the global warming that there's a number of issues that I have with global warming None is that the location of the sensors as well as the technology of the sensors. Changed drastically over the one hundred years or so that they've started measuring. Um, they used to measure you know what was a cornfield in the middle of Iowa and have a sensor recording that data and the guy coming around about once every two weeks take a reading and then that became a small town that became a city and ah, that literally that exact location is now a restaurant that is generating a lot of heat and that number is now averaged.

02:52:41.78
Ben s
And the heat Island effect well are just the concrete just the concrete the Heat Island effect.

02:53:10.68
naftulyev
Or the concrete. Yeah, you're right? just going from a a green plants that absorb ah radiation Ultraviolet radiation. Um, and don't yeah and don't bounce off infrared to concrete which absolutely that will bounce all of it off. So.

02:53:18.30
Ben s
And moisture and everything else. Yes.

02:53:50.18
naftulyev
There's been.. There's been changes in the state of the measurements if you wanted to measure the true temperature of the Planet. You would have to do it Externally, you would have to have ah you know high altitude floating measuring devices that are not. Affected by local Phenomena such as a parking lott.

02:54:24.60
Ben s
Yeah, and this is the satellite measurement. Ah that has been utilized. The problem is that um you know your your accuracy and this is something that I think people don't understand you. So you have a heat source you know and it doesn't matter how hot that heat source is and I have insulating material and things that are above it. So Satellite measurement is considered one of the more accurate means but the problem is the prevailing winds you end up with X amount of dispersion.

02:55:10.10
naftulyev
So.

02:55:42.40
naftulyev
And.

02:55:36.22
Ben s
Ah, between the satellite and the initial source um because there is media in the way the atmospheric density. What Cloud cover is covering through the density all this matters right? and. What it comes down to is that you have materials in between absorbing at an unknown rate and again this comes down to the argument I made against global warming statistics and carbon dating and everything else you have an unknown. Order a magnitude estimation at the best and what they do is they try and correlate local temperature reading satellite temperature reading. Okay, we can build this approximation. It is still an approximation that is full of errors and when you take this out.

02:56:56.18
naftulyev
I yeah.

02:57:09.00
naftulyev
I Yep yeah.

02:57:17.60
Ben s
To your statistical end those errors compound infinitely. So.

02:57:30.28
naftulyev
They and that's just on the measuring side on the modeling side. They're completely fucking off. They're nowhere near close they're they're extrapolating things that don't exist ah and magnifying them. Yeah.

02:57:34.36
Ben s
And absolutely again based off of assumption.

02:58:04.82
naftulyev
And it it is total bullshit and as as I talked about in that show the the real thing that can be measured and create impact to ah to climate. Ah certainly local climate are the wind towers The wind generating towers that we have.

02:58:31.52
Ben s
That's yeah, that's a.

02:58:44.26
naftulyev
That Convert Kinetic energy. Ah that the wind has into electricity and ah I'm not even going to talk about the efficiency of that process. Um, but you cannot take energy out of the wind and not affect that. The dispersion of atmospheric heat around that area like the wind is part of the process that normalizes temperature across regions of the Globe. So when you slow down that wind when you when you de-energize it. You are absolutely affecting. Climate.

02:59:47.94
Ben s
Yeah, well I mean why are why aren't wind turbines built just all in a row. You know why are they spaced out and not put right in a line because the energy would be taken away. Yes.

03:00:08.48
naftulyev
You right? Yeah, so if if you affect and the same thing with the ah all these free energy things that the Democrats love like the ah the wave generators.

03:00:33.70
Ben s
Yeah title generation. Yeah.

03:00:46.52
naftulyev
Or electrical generation pedal generation. Yeah, the same thing it's like you're you're taking energy out of 1 thing and putting it as a different form of energy out. It's not free. It's just conversion.

03:00:57.92
Ben s
Title title generation though a little different title generation is a little different because title is done based off of gravitational forces. So No matter you you could not build a big enough scale title generator to affect the forces that are at work there. Um, you would reduce the amount of Tide. So the tide coming in would not be as great as it otherwise would have been because you're taking that energy out of the system. That's not how that works Gene that is not how that works.

03:01:55.14
naftulyev
You Yeah, you watch that when when the moon crashes into Earth people will be looking back at this title generation Bullshit Oh totally totally. The math is in bath of them. We're going to crash the moon in.

03:02:12.12
Ben s
Yeah, I'm going to go back and say that all your questions about what I would challenging me on everything if that's your interpretation I'm not worried about anymore. Ah.

03:02:44.70
naftulyev
Um, yeah, it's um, you're just at ah solar is the same thing right? You're just converting one form of energy into another. Ah, you're not generating anything.

03:02:54.38
Ben s
Yeah, well absolutely so I mean yeah I mean all generation is a conversion of energy right? Even Fossil Fuels is a conversion of the potential energy and a fossil fuel to mechanical energy then to electrical.

03:03:20.00
naftulyev
You yeah.

03:03:35.14
naftulyev
It? Yeah, so in the end what it calls comes down to is the best form of energy source that we have is nuclear.

03:03:32.20
Ben s
And eat.

03:03:49.18
Ben s
Conversion. Yeah.

03:04:10.28
naftulyev
It It doesn't affect the climate. It doesn't affect ah the moon falling into the earth. It doesn't affect any of these things.

03:04:06.22
Ben s
Eat it? Well yeah, so the most efficient we have currently is actually fossil because that's a direct conversion and you know very little refinement. So. More energy has to be put into the refining of you know, ah a fuel rod than into a gallon of gasoline and so on per per jewel of energy expended. So yeah.

03:05:09.90
naftulyev
Oh yeah, I'm not saying most efficient I'm saying the least impact.

03:05:15.90
Ben s
That I can agree with but I mean if we're looking at pure Efficiency Fossil fuels are literally the most efficient ah coal coal is actually the most energy efficient that we can be because there is no refining needed. There's you know, crushing and pulverization and you're going into a boiler and.

03:05:30.32
naftulyev
I Yeah. I.

03:05:58.38
naftulyev
You right? You're literally just taking black rock and adding heat and then getting more energy out.

03:05:54.70
Ben s
Bill dirt. yep yep! yep ah yeah I mean that that's something that's overlooked because that is a thing so windmills are a perfect example, a windmill in its normal service life based off of current.

03:06:28.12
naftulyev
And.

03:06:31.40
Ben s
Tax policies and ah subsidies because a windmill cannot be built without a tax subsidy. It's not economically viable. But even with the tax ups.

03:06:49.84
naftulyev
It Yeah, it would never like without tax subsidies just clarified. It would never generate enough energy to pay for its construction. Yeah.

03:07:04.92
Ben s
Absolutely and even with tax subsidies. It literally only basically breaks even minus Market fluctuations. So when you look at the amount of energy that was required to build ship install and so on.

03:07:34.00
naftulyev
And.

03:07:46.88
naftulyev
Yeah.

03:07:42.68
Ben s
The life output of that Windmill is a breakeven prospect at best.

03:07:57.24
naftulyev
And and by the way now with the price of gas more than doubled and those windmills being brought to their location on trucks that the cost of just moving the Windmill parts to the new location have doubled as well.

03:08:21.94
Ben s
Absolutely and you know the one of the things people don't understand is there's a high maintenance cost to windmills so one they're a moving mechanical beast and then two they're generating Dc power that has to be taken through an inverter and these. Industrial scale inverters are failing at a tremendous rate. So yeah, yeah, almost all of them. Um, and you know it's it's kind of interesting because.

03:09:17.98
naftulyev
And are these Chinese are what is you mentioned the word failing so I just sort of connect it to.

03:09:29.12
Ben s
Yeah, so so sungrow is so sungrow is one of the largest chinese inverter manufacturers and battery manufacturers and there there are several inverter companies out there. The. The best are actually South Korean Samsung is producing batteries and inverters. But they're expensive and a lot of companies aren't deploying them but regardless regardless at battery projects at solar projects and at ah wind wind projects. We're seeing a tremendous failure of these inverters. Um.

03:10:14.20
naftulyev
And.

03:10:39.36
Ben s
To the point where there is a solar farm in West Texas that I have historically been involved with that the the inverter manufacturer basically broke rank bankrupt and was bought by another company and they are no longer manufacturing that inverter and the company is not going to honor the warranty. That said this multi hundred megawatt solar farm will likely not see None ars of total life because of the rate of failure of the inverters for the initial construction but a solar farm has None 3 people at it.

03:11:41.56
naftulyev
Its and it's horrible. All I did was just provide jobs to somebody That's at now Now. And.

03:11:56.60
Ben s
At all. If at all, you know, usually it's ah a roaming group that handles the maintenance you know? Oh yeah, it's it's graft.

03:12:16.46
naftulyev
Yeah, no I get it. But it's kind of like the 40000000000 going to Ukraine like that provided 40000000000 worth of money to the manufacturers but didn't provide didly squat to the actual ukrainian army. Yeah.

03:12:25.98
Ben s
Yeah, it's grafting corruption. Yeah, absolutely so you know speaking of Ukraine there are 2 topics. Ah 1 ah, there's some british citizens that may be executed fairly. Ah, soon based off of a few things and then two you know, Gonzalo and some of his statements and some other people statements about western weapons I i.

03:13:16.70
naftulyev
Yep.

03:13:39.40
Ben s
I Don't know I you know I would say oh over reliability and shit not working I think there's some exaggeration there that.

03:13:49.16
naftulyev
I Like which which statements I want to make sure I don't what you're talking about Oh well, there is some I think truth to that because my understanding is that this was a great opportunity by a lot of European countries. Get rid of their poorly maintained supplies of weapons and replenish them with the latest generation models. Nobody's sending brand new stuff to ukraine.

03:14:34.48
Ben s
Old shit. So for instance like the the well and then you have the Russian reports of taking several Javelin hits to a tank and surviving. Ah.

03:15:11.80
naftulyev
And.

03:15:12.60
Ben s
I Don't know about that one? Yeah, but.

03:15:22.32
naftulyev
I I think it's possible and Java 1 is not a new system. It has been around forever now it's been around for 30 years

03:15:28.48
Ben s
Right? And and the Russian answer to the Javelin missile was active armor and you know active armor for those who don't know active armor uses a shape charge facing away. So the the force of the explosion is pushed away from the actual armor of the vehicle.

03:15:47.86
naftulyev
And.

03:16:05.76
Ben s
So the idea is a projectile is coming in hits the active arm of the active armor reacts and produces enough force going the other way to remediate the impact of the the projectile.

03:16:27.28
naftulyev
I Yeah. So The Jeffone also has 2 modes of operation which is top down and straight line and so depending on.

03:16:39.96
Ben s
Yes, and the reason why the top down was developed is because they're the least armored place on a tank is the top of a tank.

03:17:03.44
naftulyev
And used to be yeah because they used to have an opening up top there for people to stick their heads out of and have a machine gun this quite often on top and that hasn't been the case for a while with the new tanks. Um, on either us or or Russian ones.

03:17:10.46
Ben s
Um.

03:17:40.84
naftulyev
Um, but you got to remember the use of the equipment makes a difference and how well trainined people are to utilize it and as far as ukraines I don't think they are.

03:17:51.58
Ben s
Yeah, am I completely buy you know the battery operated javelins that we shipped them over there and no one tested the batteries and they got the play out in the field and the battery's dead I can 100% buy that that's not a failure of the weapon.

03:18:19.62
naftulyev
I I Oh it's maintenance absolutely. But I think that's the thing is like my bet would be I have no proof of this at all. But my suspicion would be that.

03:18:25.16
Ben s
That's a failure of the logistics team.

03:18:57.84
naftulyev
If you look at the manufactured dates on most of the weapons that actually made it across the border into Ukraine it's going to be 1990 s and early 2000 stock no one is shipping them something that was built a year ago

03:19:10.38
Ben s
I I yeah I would say it's 1990 s and older like I would be shocked if something from the two thousand s made it over there.

03:19:29.60
naftulyev
You? Well okay, well here you yeah but like None of the articles I saw and I'm going to assume it's true because I don't see a reason why it wouldn't be is that ah, the Us now needs to start manufacturing stingers for the next thirty six months to replenish the supply that was shipped because they've just been sitting in the warehouse. No one was expecting to utilize them and now we had a great opportunity to sell them or to. Get rid of the ones. The government already had and to order a new batch to be manufactured to replace the ones that have been sitting in a warehouse for 1520 years so yeah this is this is a.

03:20:46.80
Ben s
Yeah, but are we going to replace a stinger with a stinger. Are we going to get something new.

03:21:06.98
naftulyev
Oh no no, no it is sting with a stinger because they this was an article that was probably a Pr piece from who who the hell makes them It's um, ah well, it's the one of the military contractors obviously but talking about how they are going to need up to thirty six months to pull up the factory and Remanufactur the amount that the Us is now requesting because they they literally are out of production.

03:21:51.90
Ben s
Yeah, but my my my question is why would we replace the stingers and not develop something new.

03:22:14.98
naftulyev
I ah well that you'd have to ask congress in their 40000 page bill.

03:22:12.84
Ben s
Yeah, ah so yeah I mean so what it comes down to is like if you look at that's my point. So but why so my point is we give away all these old stingers. Why would we buy new stingers instead of current generation gear Anyway, Regardless, um.

03:22:30.64
naftulyev
And I think we have developed new things. We just aren't giving them to Ukraine. Yeah. So pork and.

03:22:52.64
Ben s
That that is probably the best occams razor of the day. Yes, um so when you look at the Surplus ammo that's on the Us market at the very least.

03:23:06.40
naftulyev
I Taste good I like pork.

03:23:21.60
naftulyev
So.

03:23:17.72
Ben s
Ah, getting ammo newer than the night surplus ammo newer than the 1980 s is just not a real thing most of it's 70 s ammo right now that you're getting just FYI.

03:23:48.88
naftulyev
I depends which country but sure as general I think you're right? Yeah, you can you can get 2000 stock israeli ammo right now it's available.

03:23:45.00
Ben s
Ah, us nato ammo is 70 s I mean even some of the lithuanian stuff you can get. Ah yeah, but it's not necessarily surplus. It's not at the same. Yeah so surplus amo is what I'm talking about. So.

03:24:20.70
naftulyev
Oh okay, fair enough fair enough? Yeah yeah.

03:24:24.18
Ben s
You know a military saying. Okay, we need to refresh this. We're gonna get rid of it. Surplus ammo is and so most of the surplus 3 8 I've purchased over the last few years no yeah I mean the plinking ammo for me right? You know that.

03:24:37.36
naftulyev
I Yeah I've never bought Surplus Ammo I've never trusted Surplus Ammo So I'm not familiar with the specifics the way you are. And.

03:25:03.86
Ben s
Ah, typically you know for 3 0 8 plinking ammo out of an a or 10 or you know m one a or something like that. Um m a ball is plenty good. Um, and you know I've bought thousands of and.

03:25:34.54
naftulyev
We have you noticed any kind of increase in in failure to the primers at all on those.

03:25:54.68
Ben s
Nope Nope never had an issue. Um the so first of all everything I'm shooting is non-corrosive and you know us Spec M eighty ball. Um Surplus ammo and I mean I've got.

03:26:16.82
naftulyev
Right.

03:26:27.56
Ben s
I've got surplus I've got corrosive 7 6 2 by 39 that I've shot I've got old soviet spam cans from the fifty s that I've opened up and I will say that the soviet spam cans and stuff like that I've seen more failures out of but ah well I have good.

03:26:45.32
naftulyev
And.

03:27:06.74
naftulyev
I would not I would not want to be anywhere near that thing if you open it.

03:27:06.92
Ben s
No, it's yeah I mean some of the corrosive stuff you better, clean your guy and you better take care of it and all that I mean but you have that problem with modern wolf ammo. So someone who's buying some None by 39 wolf to shoot but people do people do.

03:27:26.22
naftulyev
Yeah, nobody should be buying wolf just blanket statement right? there. Ah.

03:27:43.84
Ben s
And my my point is it says nonrosive primers. Yeah I don't trust that because you know ah Vladimir over there is going to grab whatever primers in the bucket and put it in. Um.

03:27:58.52
naftulyev
I yeah.

03:28:13.76
naftulyev
Well, the stuff they're selling is wolf is absolutely not the stuff they're going to use for their actual military.

03:28:17.86
Ben s
Absolutely. But anyway the western surplus ammo I have not seen hardly any I let's put it this way out of the None of rounds I have expended of both commercial surplus.

03:28:55.48
naftulyev
I. I yeah.

03:28:56.90
Ben s
And my own handloads. Um I have not seen a big statistical increase in failure from you know what is 50 year old ammo.

03:29:17.92
naftulyev
I I Yeah I Yep, that's good and I I really never had any issues with older ammo. But I've always just bought decent quality ammo.

03:29:37.22
Ben s
Yeah, so my my my thing there is um, for the reason why like Surplus Ammo is a It's good, cheap plinking ammo and then B it's easy to buy in bulk in stockpile.

03:30:09.70
naftulyev
I.

03:30:10.46
Ben s
So you you buy federal premium or something like that or you know.

03:30:25.90
naftulyev
So winchester. White box is the cheap stuff and then the the federal gold match is the high quality stuff I usually get.

03:30:29.34
Ben s
Yeah, so even winchester white box. Ah for None for example is easily ¢50 around more expensive than you know it may be ball so when you're talking None of rounds that that adds up.

03:30:54.98
naftulyev
And Surplus probably probably yeah.

03:31:12.86
naftulyev
Yeah, well that would be $500 per thousand rounds ¢50 yeah we could do the math. Ah I didn't even need a calculator for that one did.

03:31:22.34
Ben s
Yeah, g yeah not ah anyway, but but my point is so they so for. For None rounds for None rounds of a madey ball in in an amo can you're talking five hundred bucks right now for None

03:32:18.64
naftulyev
You hey I want what's your opinion on loose versus box demo. You don't have a preference.

03:32:20.50
Ben s
I Don't care. Um, so I mean boxed is easier to distribute. So if you have an amocam with boxes in it and you're having to hand it out to people.

03:32:51.88
naftulyev
And.

03:33:03.76
naftulyev
That right.

03:32:57.56
Ben s
The box is useful if you're talking about a individual ammo can to go to the range and reload or whatever I don't care. It's less trash I have to throw away so it depends on your purpose. Ah, but.

03:33:22.10
naftulyev
I Ah fair enough.

03:33:26.40
Ben s
You know, quite frankly, that's where you get into the argument of amocam versus battle pack or anything else.

03:33:41.50
naftulyev
You So what do you? What's your take Amokan or battle packck.

03:33:42.94
Ben s
Am okay more ammo easier more Utilitarian Ah you know that that's just my view. But again I'm not I'm not a soldier I'm not gonna I'm sorry say that again.

03:34:10.84
naftulyev
I've ah I don't like the sharp corners on the ammo cans. So I'm not a huge fan for that reason I don't like the sharp corners I've like poked stuff through with those.

03:34:19.44
Ben s
Okay, yeah, um, so ah I I have Amo cans that I bought many years ago that are plastic actually that I use for a lot of my handloads and everything else and I've got plastic boxes that I reuse and.

03:34:51.30
naftulyev
And.

03:34:56.28
Ben s
You know, especially for the larger caliers and you know differentiating things and it all depends on your organizational tactics and everything else aok and stackwell there's they're they're pros and cons to each.

03:35:27.34
naftulyev
I I used to vacuum pack my gold metal lamo because I just wanted to make sure it lasts as long as possible.

03:35:29.12
Ben s
Yeah.

03:35:40.48
Ben s
Yeah, so I think once we got out of non once we got out of corrosive primers and we moved to the current cordite blends. Um man I don't know what the upper shelf limit on Ammo really is I don't think anyone does I think there's.

03:36:18.80
naftulyev
I I've heard stories of people shoot 100 year old ammo that that was corrosive and still works.

03:36:19.92
Ben s
Exactly? Um, so ah when when we look at the soviet stockpiles so you open up a spam can of 1950 S Soviet ammo and out of the thousand rounds you have less than a None malfunctions.

03:37:00.38
naftulyev
So.

03:36:57.68
Ben s
That says something about the lifespan of ammo because given the manufacturing practices at the time you know you might have had twenty Malfunctions on a brand new spam can yeah exactly. So.

03:37:09.42
naftulyev
I Yeah, that's sure.

03:37:23.90
naftulyev
I on the brand new right? exactly? Yep, Yeah, that's true I I don't know I mean it's um I I have a bunch of plastic ammo cans as well and I like those more.

03:37:44.96
Ben s
Yeah.

03:38:02.46
naftulyev
They weigh less and they hold a little bit more and they're no sharp angles.

03:37:59.92
Ben s
Yep, yeah, and the the latch mechanisms and everything else on if you so there are cheap plastic Amo cans and you spend thirty forty dollars on a plastic amo. Can you get something worthwhile I yeah agree.

03:38:33.58
naftulyev
Um, yeah, yeah, because it's they may be like the ones I have don't have a gasket in them so they're probably less. Ah you know waterproof than the metal ones. But um.

03:38:48.98
Ben s
Ah, um, ah, all my plastic ones have actually most of them have a double asket system. Yeah, ah, they ah.

03:39:05.42
naftulyev
They they absolutely are more con convenientient I Think. Oh really? yeah, you got more expensive ones than I did.

03:39:19.62
Ben s
Back when Gander Mountain was really a thing it was one of the brands that yeah minor up. Yeah anyway, ah, but yeah, the big heavy duty latch um holds right around 500 some odd rounds.

03:39:30.98
naftulyev
That that's where I get mine too. That's funny.

03:39:51.82
Ben s
Some of them have organizational trays and dividers and um yeah I did a lot of handloading. Yeah yeah, some of mine have metalites some of them have a plastic latch. Um, but literally some of them have.

03:40:04.78
naftulyev
Ah, yeah, mine are very basic. Um, but they do have a metal latch.

03:40:28.48
Ben s
Multiple trays and dividers and um and they're they're great for that. Ah, but yeah where I didn't have a divider so I've got ah some of my None rounds that I mass produced when I was loading a bunch. Um.

03:41:02.50
naftulyev
And.

03:41:02.22
Ben s
Based off of the batch and based off of the projectile that I was using or the powder that I was using I divide out those rounds. So I know what's what None

03:41:20.36
naftulyev
I at None or None but not the None that the army is adapting. Yeah okay, okay.

03:41:22.98
Ben s
No not none fury 14 x eight s pc yeah so um, anyway, regardless so I've got an ammo can I'm throwing in rounds eye manufacturing and I run out of a particular powder and I switch blends or I run out of projectile and I change projectiles. I immediately throw in a divider of some sort. Usually I just throw a cardboard or anything else in there and I throw a note with the load data and everything else over that and then continue on. So yeah I'm um, my wife would joke that i'm.

03:42:17.78
naftulyev
And.

03:42:31.82
Ben s
Very organized and anal or tentative about certain things. But then you come into my office and look and it's like you would never realize that these 2 people that did these things are the same person.

03:43:00.10
naftulyev
Oh yeah, yeah, I'm right there with you? Dude there's certain things that are super defined detailed and then if you look at my office. It's basically nothing but computer monitors and a bunch of computer related things just covering every piece of table. So.

03:43:25.76
Ben s
Um, yeah, um.

03:43:39.58
naftulyev
And I have ah I have about sixteen feet of table here.

03:43:40.72
Ben s
I myself Well, that's more than I have my my big thing that she gets on to me about is filing. So I a filing digitally you know when you look at how I organize my file system and where everything's at it meticulous right? Absolutely meticulous.

03:44:00.48
naftulyev
And.

03:44:14.42
naftulyev
And.

03:44:19.34
Ben s
Paper Files and paper documents going into a folder shit.

03:44:36.28
naftulyev
That's called a shredder dude that's a scanner followed by a shredder.

03:44:31.92
Ben s
Ah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, well I so see. Ah I I want paper statements I can't stay in digital statements.

03:44:51.38
naftulyev
Not a fan of paper.

03:45:08.66
naftulyev
I oh I know I got rid of all that stuff long time ago I checked my mailbox like every two weeks my physical mailbox.

03:45:15.72
Ben s
Yeah I mean I don't pay based off of paper statements I Just keep track of things based off paper statements and the reason why is is once it leaves their possession. It's immutable. It can't be changed.

03:45:51.24
naftulyev
I ah sure. But it's hard for them to change it when it's in your email either. They can send you a None one I guess.

03:45:58.10
Ben s
Well then that brings up another question. Do you want your your financial records being sent via postcard.

03:46:23.80
naftulyev
I Um, my electric bill Sure I don't care and I'm not I don't have a growhouse growing pot here. So no I Really don't care.

03:46:24.64
Ben s
Okay, ah, okay, so this actually brings up a topic that you and Darren were talking about on ah unrelenting yesterday and the city of Austin going to smart metering and.

03:47:06.50
naftulyev
We we've had smart meters for a while.

03:46:58.80
Ben s
You know one of the things that is ah well, but y'all were talking about it going to smart meeting and there being a one-time fee if you didn't want to install the smart meter and things like that. Um the big danger of the smart meter isn't that they can remotely turn off your water. It's what they can do in observation.

03:47:25.00
naftulyev
I.

03:47:42.34
naftulyev
And.

03:47:36.20
Ben s
So because that is a continuous read versus just a accumulated read. You know you can trend when usages are and everything else and there was 1 case where a guy was convicted of a murder because the hot tub was drained and then refilled.

03:47:52.82
naftulyev
I Yeah sure.

03:48:08.56
Ben s
And they were able to prove that this happened at like 3 a m and you know this water usage happened and dada done that was some of the circumstantial evidence that was used to convict. So you know the more we have a digital footprint and the more we are able to be tracked and trended. Ah, you know I guess that's bad for.

03:48:53.96
naftulyev
And criminals. Exactly.

03:48:46.92
Ben s
Ah, criminals. But it's also bad. It's also bad for people who the government wants to come after for any reason shape or form.

03:49:11.30
naftulyev
Sure Sure it's kind of like everybody having a um ah you know I we call them a ring camera I had to look it up because I forgot what mia was called everybody having a ring camera in the neighborhood's bad for. Cheating on your spouse right? I mean it's not an illegal Activity. You can cheat on your spouse.. It's totally legal. But um, you're more likely to get caught when everyone's got a camera than when they don't.

03:49:39.92
Ben s
Yeah.

03:50:26.34
naftulyev
And you know like your your spse drives off to work and then somebody else's car pulls in and then you're hugging the person as they're entering door. Ah so I.

03:50:41.28
Ben s
Why not just go grocery shopping and go somewhere else.

03:50:57.74
naftulyev
Well, you could you could but a lot of times people get kind of lazy about it and the convenience factor of like well your spouse is going to be gone all day long or all week long for that matter because some spouses fly for work. Ah, so why? even bother trying to hide anything when you can just stay at home and you know get your rocks off that way.

03:51:31.24
Ben s
Ah, so fun fact adultery actually is illegal in Alabama Arizona Florida Georgia Idaho Illinois Kansas Massachusetts Michigan minnesota Mississippi New York North Dakota Oklahoma South Carolina Utah Virginia and Wisconsin.

03:52:19.32
naftulyev
That that's surprising I don't understand how that can be illegal.

03:52:15.14
Ben s
In in in Massachusetts and New York but not in Texas it's not illegal in Texas.

03:52:33.14
naftulyev
And oh my god yeah, we're all every single politician yeah, not in Texas no no which is interesting. Um, it's not illegal. However, in Texas. You can use adultery as a reason for divorce. So.

03:53:01.38
Ben s
Ah, yes, as a reason for Divorce and justification for getting more than you otherwise would have.

03:53:22.14
naftulyev
You Yeah exactly because I remember the ex-wife bitching about that.

03:53:26.76
Ben s
Why is that I didn't realize you were living in Texas at the time. Okay got you.

03:53:38.74
naftulyev
I well because she was fucking another guy and I had proof. Oh yeah I was living Texas I wasn't in Austin but I was in Texas and um I mean there was None main factors that she was. Ah, griping about one was that I didn't have to pay for a lawyer because I had divorce insurance and then two is dead in Texas ah, the fact that that you know she was essentially caught in adultery also made this divorce. Ah, be as clean and simple for me and she couldn't try and squeeze any more money out of me.

03:54:55.98
Ben s
Well so the and the difference in Texas law for this for people who are going why the fuck should that matter is it's the difference between a no fault divorce and a divorce with cause yeah.

03:55:24.80
naftulyev
I right? Yeah and I made sure ours was with cause which annoyed the piss out of her.

03:55:34.16
Ben s
Yeah, um, which by the way I have ah looked just because of your stories not because I'm actually shopping for it. But I have not been able to find that ah that commercially available anywhere correct.

03:56:08.46
naftulyev
Our divorce insurance. Yeah check ah the Fsb ah services website for employees. It's in there.

03:56:16.48
Ben s
Ah, yeah, yeah, ah yeah I guess this is a Russian handler's insurance. Ah, ah you know a lot of people probably wouldn't have caught.

03:56:34.34
naftulyev
You You just don't want your people to be worried about exactly you don't want your people to be worried about getting divorced.

03:57:04.20
naftulyev
No I thought that was a stupid benefit or a useless benefit anyway, when I None found out it until I use it and and I've said this before it wasn't just me. It was me and 2 more people in my department. This is all for infosec folks at the same time.

03:56:54.82
Ben s
Oh and. Until you needed it.

03:57:25.74
Ben s
Ah, wow. Yeah I mean there are certain job categories where I think that could absolutely apply. You know the the jobs that are obsessive the jobs that are hightress. You know the the ones that are the most grading on the family. Yeah.

03:57:42.10
naftulyev
That we're using it.

03:57:50.94
naftulyev
And.

03:58:03.94
naftulyev
Yeah yep, the jobs that require you to be away from your family a lot and oh yeah I don't know if any company would be willing to provide insurance to salespeople for divorce insurance. Yeah, they're also the ones that get married like 3 or 4 times.

03:58:04.90
Ben s
Sales sales would be a great place for that to exist. Ah, no too risky too too. Expensive yeah yeah, well and then you have the whole channel sales thing where ah, you know, especially in the 90 s and early two thousand s where.

03:58:39.66
naftulyev
Sales Salespeople have a much higher percentage of remarriage than.

03:58:59.14
naftulyev
I oh totally? Oh yeah I mean the I think for the most part this stopped by the two Thousand Eight Nine ten timeframe but ah yeah, oh my god.

03:58:55.94
Ben s
Sexual favors were exchanged for points on a contract.

03:59:17.24
Ben s
Yeah, yeah, I'm talking late 90 s early two thousand s where it was really proleable and.

03:59:39.10
naftulyev
Yeah, no deal was ever signed outside of a strip club I mean it was like the expectation is if you're the contractor you're providing services to a large company certainly within the ah the.

03:59:59.88
Ben s
You're getting somebody laid. Yeah.

04:00:12.16
naftulyev
Military ah production space a defense source somebody's getting laid guaranteed 100%

04:00:14.72
Ben s
Yeah, but I'm even saying between sales folks so channel versus inside rep and stuff like that. There were dirty dirty dirty deals.

04:00:35.28
naftulyev
You sure? So now that that's mostly happening with Youtube and Twitch where the up and coming you know growing channels are willing to sleep with the ones that are established to help them get.

04:00:39.60
Ben s
Sir.

04:01:14.40
naftulyev
Better audience growth and wait who's benefiting who in that one.

04:01:05.98
Ben s
So going back to blair white and Alex Jones sorry I had to oh Blair is definitely getting street cred for having Alex on.

04:01:42.56
naftulyev
I think so I think so and incidentally blair is I think she's either married or engaged. She's definitely not sleeping with anybody else I've seen her her husband and yeah Alex Jones is not her husband.

04:01:39.14
Ben s
Absolutely I'm sorry.

04:01:51.88
Ben s
Um I I I don't know mostly polyamorous couples that I've ever known have been of I wasn't so has she said.

04:02:20.84
naftulyev
She she's not polyamorous dude this monogamous you yes yes she's yes she's talked about like and had sex with anybody since this dude for like 6 years yeah and they want to have kids. They're gonna keep trying.

04:02:31.20
Ben s
That ah outright I don't I don't listen to her enough to know.

04:02:46.90
Ben s
Um, ah, cool. Whatever that's Great. Um. Um, of.

04:03:22.38
naftulyev
Ah, more power to um, let the kids have fun. Whatever.

04:03:20.48
Ben s
Ah, hey they'll get lots of practicing before it happens I'm sorry you happy with that one.

04:03:39.20
naftulyev
I right? exactly exactly. But I do think Alex Jones I do think Alex Jones and I mean shit I'm sure ah people the way I'm talking about are people would say the same thing about me is like yeah. I think if somebody is willing to spend the amount of energy and do the work to look like an attractive woman then I will absolutely treat them as an attractive woman I don't I don't need to like. Ah. Have any kind of a negative stereotype of someone that's actually and and this is why I make distinction that that is transsexual which is wanting to be the absent sex versus transgender which is wanting other people to think or to act. Think wanting other people to act towards you like you're the absolute sex. Even if you don't do Jack shit to make them believe that. Yeah hell no noop.

04:05:23.40
Ben s
Um, so Gene I have a question for you Would you give up the beard for blair white.

04:06:03.16
naftulyev
There's there's not much that would be worthwhile giving up the beard for man a beard is like a 5 ive-year investment what what in your life other than your kids is worth a 5 ive-year investment

04:06:18.92
Ben s
Ah, well, some people their cars quite literally? Yeah, ah you know it depends on lots of things. But for me it, it's kids and family. Yeah, that's about it. Um.

04:06:35.10
naftulyev
They Yeah, that's true. Some people their cars are like my beard I guess.

04:06:55.48
naftulyev
Yeah, yeah.

04:06:55.36
Ben s
Yeah, and that was a callback to yesterday's unrelenting and just jokes but regardless ah I can totally see if presented the opportunity you would go after Blair I can I can see that no.

04:07:09.50
naftulyev
I know.

04:07:27.56
naftulyev
I I wouldn't go after blair. But I mean I'm just saying that a chick that looks like that who's not transsexual is an attractive woman.

04:07:42.10
Ben s
So now you're just bigoted.

04:07:57.32
naftulyev
I I'm not bigoted I mean I would definitely respect. Blair's relationship ah yeah

04:07:59.20
Ben s
ah ah ah ah anyway um so it'll be interesting to see ah trying to think of way to segue out of this without digging a deeper It's not working. Ah, so what else would you like to talk about sir we're right at 2 hours is it time to call it on this before we dig a deeper hole.

04:08:50.68
naftulyev
It what else which it's It's pretty close I'm trying to let me think if there's any other topics that have kind of come up I think you've kind of guide a lot of the topics on this episode is there anything else out of our.

04:09:11.12
Ben s
Yeah I don't know what you're doing I don't know what you're doing gene you were eating and then just you know you were off in Lala land. Yeah, when we started 20 minutes late too.

04:09:25.48
naftulyev
Mutual and and well I was finishing breakfast when we started the podcast for sure and I'll even share what I was having seafood salad. Well nobody needs to know that I mean Jesus if you wouldn't have brought that up people are. It's not like we run this live with listeners unlike the other show where I have to be on time because there are literally people on the stream that are waiting with bated breath.

04:09:52.16
Ben s
That.

04:10:03.62
Ben s
And I'm giving you crap because it's usually me being late because I actually do have family and kids and shit going on. You know? So yeah, which is why we don't do this live.

04:10:25.40
naftulyev
I Yeah I Well I mean we could. There's also nothing to say that they couldn't just be in the general vicinity of this timeframe. Um, but I do think there's an interesting aspect to doing it live.

04:10:36.54
Ben s
Ah.

04:11:02.38
naftulyev
And I do enjoy that aspect on on relenting with Darren but he's also the None managing like that whole thing like making sure that we're on the stream checking a no agenda I rc server to see what people are saying. Which I I you know I'm permanent banned from that I can't get on that I've tried many times.

04:11:28.74
Ben s
You know you the way ours IRC works you can just generate a new username.

04:11:50.18
naftulyev
I I just don't see that that could possibly happen so as far as I'm concerned I'm permabank from there I've been told as much you know I've I've actually reached out to Adam and say hey I'm perm band on this thing. Can you do something about it and he said gene you're not perm band I said you? well. Unfortunately I guess you can't do anything about it either. So consequently I I don't even know what's going on on that server.

04:12:23.80
Ben s
Ah, so yeah, so Re Gene is done with the troll room and is not going to engage. Got it? yeah.

04:12:48.42
naftulyev
And but Darren is on there all the fricking time because he has like 18 shows running now. He's basically on the no agenda network more than Adam or John um, and he's having a great success financially with contributions coming in from. Ah.

04:12:58.84
Ben s
Yeah.

04:13:27.68
naftulyev
People listening to his um ah the pre-show the music thing you know where spins records the the Dj yeah and which I pointed out is like well no shit Dude you're doing it during lunch hour when people aren't working. Of course you get.

04:13:24.40
Ben s
Good Yeah, where he's the lunch hour talk. You know the lunch hour. Yeah.

04:14:03.32
naftulyev
People that are listening and willing to send you money and.

04:13:55.26
Ben s
Yeah I can't imagine that the rock and roll pre-show though like I can see that being a live listen thing I can't imagine people downloading it off an Rss feed. Yeah I just can't see that.

04:14:18.56
naftulyev
They Yeah, they're not well and I don't think he has a feed because he's playing illegal music dirty little secret.

04:14:38.40
Ben s
Surely He has a license of some sort.

04:14:52.18
naftulyev
Oh yeah, yeah, he's licensing things. Yeah right? No no dar I don't think Darren's paid for a license since the 70 s ah but he does buy records. That's 1 thing he does do which I certainly don't do I but I just rent.

04:14:48.56
Ben s
Ah, ah.

04:15:13.36
Ben s
Well I mean if he's not doing it for commercial purposes then you know whatever the donations that kind of gets into a weird area.

04:15:30.62
naftulyev
The music I don't buy it but there's no exemption there. It doesn't exist if if you are playing to more than one person.

04:15:42.60
Ben s
Well I mean this gets into the arguments from the 90 s on vhs tapes and everything else on what constitutes a performance or a you know distribution of a movie. So for instance, ah you know fraternities. There's legal issues with having a movie night and shit like that.

04:16:05.44
naftulyev
Yep you.

04:16:12.88
naftulyev
I.

04:16:27.44
naftulyev
You Yep can't have a movie night. Everybody has to have their own copy.

04:16:20.84
Ben s
So yeah, yeah, and I you know that's just not reality which the copyright laws man are so screwed up. Thank you Disney.

04:16:42.54
naftulyev
It may that be reality but it's the law. Yeah I won't debate that I think they absolutely are screwed up. They should have never been allowed to be as Draconian as they are honestly there's a good argument to be made that copyright should never be granted.

04:16:54.64
Ben s
A copyright should not exceed the life of a person.

04:17:11.40
Ben s
Oh no I'm I'm going to disagree with that because you you have to have some then no books would ever be written.

04:17:22.10
naftulyev
Period.

04:17:39.00
naftulyev
Thats that's bullshit books were written away before copyright law existed. I Can't argue it fact. I.

04:17:47.20
Ben s
Yeah, and I mean one could say that you know had copyright law existed the way it does now Gutenberg may fair enough fair enough but it but also you didn't have the infinite replicability problem that we have today.

04:18:09.90
naftulyev
The None of music existed before copyright law.

04:18:26.60
naftulyev
So copyright law used to be for 7 years max and you know the leading the leading ah company that has spent the most money to create this bullshit that we have with all the extensions Disney absolutely right.

04:18:26.36
Ben s
Right? right? But we.

04:18:45.66
Ben s
Disney yeah, ah but I actually think the nazi was Donald right? Donald luck is the nazi. Yeah.

04:19:00.70
naftulyev
The fucking Nazi mouse.

04:19:11.66
naftulyev
You? Well yeah, um, you euphemistically saying Disney Walt Disney being the guy who's the nazi there and the mouse being his creation.

04:19:17.60
Ben s
Right? And but my point is in modern society. So you're you're saying books and music existed pre-copyright law which are absolutely correct. But my point was that there was a cost to the replication of that work and in fact, with music. It's only been in the last.

04:19:44.60
naftulyev
And.

04:19:54.82
Ben s
Hundred and twenty years hundred and 3040 years that replication of music at all outside of a live performance was even possible.

04:20:21.40
naftulyev
You Yeah but I think it's tough. It's tough to find the gray area there I think it's fairly black and white either. Either you believe that when you buy an album, you ought to be able to make a copy of that music. Or you believe that when you buy an album, you're just getting the individual right of performance of that Music. There's not a whole lot of gray. There.

04:21:03.38
Ben s
Yeah, yeah, so okay, um I believe if I buy a work regardless of its medium I should be able to preserve and back up that work for my own personal use I believe I ought to be able to. Yes.

04:21:29.40
naftulyev
So and should you be able to sell that work then later. Okay, right.

04:21:42.30
Ben s
Because then the as long as I sell all copies with it. So let's say I have a Cd and I burn a None copies of that cd because I want to have it in a None different locations if I go to sell that Cd I need to sell the original and either destroy or include the copies with it.

04:22:03.56
naftulyev
I yeah yeah include all None copies with the sale original. Yeah, the ah the right and legal.

04:22:19.72
Ben s
Yes, to be ethical.

04:22:42.88
naftulyev
Ah, as far as the music industry is concerned. You do not have those rights and this is why they've gone to the rental model where nobody any longer owns any music except for legacy people that are old enough to have owned music.

04:22:49.46
Ben s
Absolutely for.

04:23:19.26
naftulyev
And all you do now is you have a subscription model that allows you to rent music and.

04:23:19.78
Ben s
Yep, and you know I'll say this I have a very large library of music that I own that came from my teenage and early 20 s but I'll I'll say this I I have a Youtube music subscription.

04:23:37.56
naftulyev
And.

04:23:54.42
naftulyev
And.

04:23:48.30
Ben s
Mainly because of Youtube and getting rid of ads but my wife and others use the music side of it and you know, um, it definitely is a thing. Um, that said this is part of the reason why when I when I buy books I don't just buy ebooks or audiobooks. If I find a book worthwhile enough I go about and buy a physical copy because there is no licensing agreement on a physical copy.

04:24:37.42
naftulyev
And. Right? That's one of the legacy medium that we eventually will just get banned kind of like guns. But if no one's yeah, no, one's going to care. Yeah, yeah, it's It's hard to say because I've definitely been the adopter of that.

04:24:48.88
Ben s
Um, or just died the slow death of generational change. Yeah, um.

04:25:25.60
naftulyev
New Method which is as long as I have access I don't really give shit I don't care about owning things I.

04:25:29.00
Ben s
Me Well I I think there are some things that are worth having an immutable copy of. But yeah.

04:25:55.48
naftulyev
I Yeah but I think like I would probably agree with that a lot more if I had kids it. It'd be something to pass on Beyond Me yeah like is I like realistically most I just.

04:25:58.12
Ben s
Yeah, yeah, absolutely I mean it comes down to legacy. Yeah.

04:26:34.32
naftulyev
Like I need another forty years of access and that's it I don't really don't care what happens after that. So that that is absolutely the most optimistic perspective I can't see living past one hundred and forty five

04:26:31.50
Ben s
But that's pretty optimistic giving your advanced years gene.

04:26:48.80
Ben s
I mean quite frankly I don't know that I'll need 40 years more access. Ah yeah, yeah, and you know, ah the things that would be important for me to hand down you know, um.

04:27:06.80
naftulyev
Well, you probably won't But yeah, you know it's true. Um, but your kids might.

04:27:37.34
naftulyev
I yeah.

04:27:28.54
Ben s
Copies of certain books you know, ah things that are out of print at this point in time.

04:27:46.10
naftulyev
Are there any books that you would not burn if that was the only means of starting a fire and you were cold. What what would that be.

04:27:53.32
Ben s
Yes, yes. Ah, there are 2 None bibles in the house that I would not burn. Ah one is my own personal bible that my parents gave me that has been. You know my bible since I was 6 and then there is my family bible that contains the record. Ah as far as I'm concerned contains the record of my marriage and my children's birth.

04:29:08.60
naftulyev
I Well it sounds like both of those are sentimental reasons. Yeah yeah, which is sort of sentimental.

04:29:15.64
Ben s
Sentimental and family record. Not but out of the hundreds of books that I have out of the hundreds of books that I have ah those are the only 2 I mean Plato Fire 1984 fire

04:29:42.84
naftulyev
Yeah.

04:29:54.90
naftulyev
I of fire. Well okay, yeah, burn that one. Yeah and I I effectively did that when I just gave away all my books to the bookstore because I was too too lazy to wait for them to.

04:29:50.96
Ben s
Fahrenheit Four fifty one ironically fire fire.

04:30:31.88
naftulyev
Weigh them and then give me a you know a buck a pound payment for them and.

04:30:31.82
Ben s
I yeah well I like physical books. Um, there is 1 other that I might not burn, but it it would be it would it would be 1 of the last ones that I would burn but I would still burn it and that's the history of my family. Ah, since coming to.

04:30:48.92
naftulyev
I.

04:31:11.16
naftulyev
And.

04:31:10.26
Ben s
Ah, North America Yeah, so literally it's a my grandmother helped write this. It's a genealogical and historical account of the sterling since they came to the Us all the way through to modern times. No.

04:31:19.92
naftulyev
So oh that's cool I.

04:31:42.78
naftulyev
So you would you consider yourself a book collector.

04:31:49.58
Ben s
Ah, very I have very few None editions or you know I've got several that have been signed and things like that. But you know nothing.

04:32:01.48
naftulyev
I Okay I So when we get together one of these days and I may need a reminder of this I'm going to give you a book.

04:32:20.28
Ben s
Um, okay, okay.

04:32:37.54
naftulyev
It's a pretty expensive book. But you're better off having it than me. Um, it is a None edition autograph copy of a book by Teddy Roosevelt's kid.

04:32:58.91
Ben s
Ah, interesting. Yeah, um, one of the oldest books that I have that's even yeah, obviously not signed and not in that class is I have a physics textbook ah that was given to me by.

04:33:15.16
naftulyev
So it's over 100 years old

04:33:31.70
naftulyev
And. I from Plato let me guess Clinton.

04:33:38.80
Ben s
And it was given to me by an ex-girlfriend's mom because I was in school at the time and she found it at a bookstore but it was from 1915 and it was the physics I mean it's a very.

04:34:04.41
naftulyev
That oh that's cool.

04:34:10.75
Ben s
I mean you compare that to my physics textbook I mean it's it's half an inch thick you know versus my freshman physics text was None thick you know it's just tremendous difference. Um, in.

04:34:26.40
naftulyev
And.

04:34:38.91
Ben s
To me. It's kind of cool because it and I have it sitting on the shelf next to my freshman physics textbook because it represents the change in our knowledge over 100 years you know actually less than a hundred years I'm sorry.

04:35:08.82
naftulyev
That's good symbology or as you've argued against that knowledge on this episode it represents the increase in statistical errors of our current science.

04:35:17.91
Ben s
Yeah, and on that note.

04:35:42.24
naftulyev
And we'll see you all next week listening