Sir Gene Speaks

0057 Sir Gene Speaks - Host Darren O'Neill

August 23, 2021 Gene Naftulyev Season 1 Episode 57
Sir Gene Speaks
0057 Sir Gene Speaks - Host Darren O'Neill
Chapters
0:14
Pre-Show
8:43
Start of Show
9:03
Gun Talk
11:57
Talk Radio
20:45
Biden Press Conference
28:40
Toyota
42:12
Afghanistan
56:51
Nukes in Use
1:15:14
Troll Room
1:21:27
Talking Speed
1:30:39
Slavs vs Slaves
1:34:39
Job Ad
1:42:04
Darren hates crypto!
1:48:25
Global Weather
1:52:10
Wrap-up
Sir Gene Speaks
0057 Sir Gene Speaks - Host Darren O'Neill
Aug 23, 2021 Season 1 Episode 57
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Gene:

for 30 years I edited lip smacks out of my audio, which apparently now I need to put extra ones in.

Darren:

Yeah. That's the hotness that brings people in the lip-smacking. They want to it's that's that makes you more YouTube friendly. It makes you more official. Did you see the interview that Adam did on YouTube with the woman? The other day, somebody was just linked to it, to the troll where my Alison her name is something. Yeah.

Gene:

Somebody linked at me. Yes. I've been a supporter of her since her fifth. Yep.

Darren:

Can somebody inform her that front address microphone should be spoken into not straight up and down. That was the only thing that was annoying me through the whole thing. Cause it's like her sound was hollow and there was a lot of room echo and it's you're supposed to talk into the top of that microphone, not into the side

Gene:

so funny thing is she was a television reporter, like out in the field reporter for 20 years. So she's been using pro audio for at least that long.

Darren:

and meet somebody may have not told her what the micro, that's, there are microphones that look very similar that are sidedress. And I don't know if she thinks that one is,

Gene:

Now, are you sure that it's not just simply pointing at her mouth diagonally?

Darren:

it looked like it was straight up and down in the video. That's the and I know there Are some

Gene:

Are you sure? She wasn't using a lav mic as well.

Darren:

I was looking because there are people that do that

Gene:

So basically you missed the whole interview because you're trying to find where Mike was.

Darren:

and I'm like, this is no you're that's a hollow sound.

Gene:

a whole

Darren:

You could have a little bit better audio. And my wife was laughing. As she was, taking her hair down and flipping it back and putting it into the ponytail. She was like, oh, that's how she gets the guys to to donate. I don't know. I think there is.

Gene:

I like Allison

Darren:

Yeah, I think there is something to be said that attractive females can get more doing video. If I had to guess, I would say she's probably mid thirties, 40.

Gene:

Yeah. She doesn't look 40, but she is 40. Yeah. I think she looks younger. She was a, this is funny. She went from being a environmental reporter in Seattle to talking about, how the liberals have fucked everything up on YouTube overnight. Yeah. She was doing environmental reporting for literally two decades out of Seattle. And then she married a Navy seal and they decided to live in a and their stream and go buy some land where they can grow stuff and hunt and live out in the middle of nowhere.

Darren:

it's not a bad idea. Although if you're a YouTube personality, you at least need to have internet, but beyond That's really all you need finish

Gene:

There we go. There's my ASMR

Darren:

I know this was like, oh, w are we doing commercials for what's a Taster's choice? Although you could be, I don't know with you, this could be scotch that you're going at here,

Gene:

Yes. I just woke up. I need my morning scotch,

Darren:

but it's only gotta be a Glenlivet. It's, 47 or something.

Gene:

Glen live with 47.

Darren:

Things there. That's true. We need, do we need Scott stock with sir gene? Is

Gene:

Well, we could, technically I am a level two Somali for whiskey

Darren:

wow. See, I did not even know this. How many levels are there

Gene:

three.

Darren:

and what is the what is the next level you have to reach? And how is, does this just

Gene:

would be the third level.

Darren:

Yeah,

Gene:

Yeah, no, I have to take a class, which I believe is going to be done in December of the ma it's either December or January. I can't remember. It's no, it's a whole thing. I'm part of the the whiskey Institute of America or something like that?

Darren:

Not even know there was such a thing.

Gene:

no, there is, I used to be big into scotch. I just, I, it's funny that you randomly poked at that whole, but

Darren:

know you're a scotch guy. BU burry says scotches gross. And from the scotch that I've had, I would agree because it mainly tastes like grass. Although I've always been

Gene:

Or charcoal.

Darren:

Yeah,

Gene:

Yeah. And that's absolutely true. And depending on where in Scotland, the scotch comes from is going to have a very different taste profile. And I think for a lot of people, they try cheap scotch, which is generally a very smoky and bitter. And so they're like, oh, this sucks of people drink this, but depending on where the scotch comes from, and if it's a little better quality, there are plenty of places that produce scotch, which doesn't have that heavy smokey flavor, which, and that comes from feeding. So if it's a peated scotch, it's gonna have a lot more of that traditional, like what you would expect scotch to taste kind of flavor. And I've actually, I think I've talked about this unknown agenda social, and there's actually a couple of videos on YouTube of me talking about this particular sketch. But my favorite scotch

Darren:

Oh yeah. The $500 a bottle

Gene:

yes, it's Brooke, lotta black art, and it is a really tasty scotch.

Darren:

I would hope so.

Gene:

It doesn't have that, that bitter smoky kind of flavor to it. It's got a pretty complex flavor to it and it is the it is the 1990. That I like, which you can't get anymore. So it's not even $500. It's just, you literally can't buy it.

Darren:

That has to be the most depressing thing ever that your favorite drink, you can no longer find unless you've got a whole basement full of it.

Gene:

Well, I've got a few bottles, but it's yeah, it's depressing, but then it isn't, I actually enjoy eating, for example, not that I would ever do this, but say in danger, the animal or something, there, there's a certain pleasure to having the last of something that no one else can have. And it's kinda cool actually. Cause you're getting to experience something that few people have ever experienced and no more people will. Wouldn't you want to like, see how a Dodo compares to a Turkey.

Darren:

no,

Gene:

Yeah, of course you would. It's a big bird. It walks around. Why do you think they're extinct? People ate them.

Darren:

They were delicious.

Gene:

were super delicious. They were better than turkeys. So why wouldn't you want to eat one?

Darren:

I suppose of somebody who's got to genetically recreate the Dodo in soy form or whatever they use to make all this fake meat out of now.

Gene:

it's horrible. Actually. It's not horrible. I shouldn't say that. I've tried the fake meat in a few different things and it is far and above better than the fake meat was 10 years ago.

Darren:

Well, because it's overloaded with chemicals, right? That's

Gene:

Well, they say there's only eight ingredients in the thing, one of which

Darren:

part of it's cyanide,

Gene:

Well, Sinai is actually in green and a lot of foods, but it's it, I was gonna make a Soylent green joke, but you kinda walked all over that, but the

Darren:

green is people,

Gene:

yes. Yes. But not silent though. It's what's the, it's a Soylent island. It's like a New York, silent green. Exactly. Who else can I make fun of it in the first five minutes?

Darren:

Well, we haven't started the show

Gene:

Well, okay. In the pre-show let me see who I can make fun of.

Darren:

Who would you like to make fun of? We can start the recorder

Gene:

I can't believe you haven't started. This is like the best part.

Darren:

CSB always said about the post show. Oh, this one's batched, whatever else you do is crap. It was better. I'm like, okay. I don't know.

Gene:

I can't believe CSB listens.

Darren:

B is a big supporter. I don't know if he listens.

Gene:

Well, that's a good point. He just sends Bitcoin. You don't know if he actually listens?

Darren:

we can, but we will do it

Gene:

My recorder is already running, so we got the good parts.

Darren:

Ooh bonus content.

Gene:

that's right. It's a special content only for listeners of Serjean aka Sir Gene Yeah, the The stuff that CSV was doing I think is pretty interesting as well. I can't believe he got somebody with such a good voice to be him on his podcast.

Darren:

I offered to do it for him, but He said, I have a

Gene:

somebody with a better way. Did it's true. He found somebody better.

Darren:

very much very calm. The the glyph voice. It keeps people

Gene:

Yeah. I was like, damn. And in fact, I think I reached out to him and I said, Hey dude, you should come on my show and get interviewed. And he

Darren:

you were going to see if he could just redo your show, saying everything you said,

Gene:

Well, that was, see, that was going to be the secret ploy as I was getting, get them on the show. And then I was going to just say, Hey, can you just read this

Darren:

yeah, He can translate our shows in English.

Gene:

that would be something when that,

Darren:

Yes. Let me start

Gene:

But then I don't know why, but like he said, yeah, I'll do it. And then we never connected. And so there were, he was never on my show.

Darren:

That will happen. Let me reset this recorder

Gene:

I probably forgot about them.

Darren:

see that's the problem. That is the problem. But,

Gene:

Are we going, are we recording? I haven't heard the really like fast than energetic opening.

Darren:

Yeah, let me, yeah, let me play this. This will go with this one. Cause then people made fun of the last one. So I'm going to pull this one out yet again, and we do have a little bit of an update, but with that said let's do it.

Gene (2):

hello and welcome to episode number

Gene:

57.

Gene (2):

of the show,

Gene:

Sir gene speaks.

Gene (2):

for Friday, August 20th, 2021. I am Darren. O'Neill coming to you live from a bunker, even the heart of middle America, just outside of shy rack where you know what Gene people are still getting shot. And I don't see that changing, but I know Texas is much calmer. Isn't it?

Gene:

Well, it is, it's a very calm place where everybody has a gun

Darren:

The voice you're hearing now is the calm voice of gene and he is, are you packing right now?

Gene:

Of Course I am

Darren:

You never know who's going to come in when your podcasts.

Gene:

Well, I told you, I just got up. Of course, I'm here.

Darren:

Of course. You got to be ready. This is, that's the thing there's home invasions and stuff are real. Probably not in your area, quite as much around around shy rack. But if you can't get to your weapon when you need it, then what's the point of having one.

Gene:

I think the question of, do you need the weapon as a stupid question to begin with? You should just have the weapon.

Darren:

It should always be there,

Gene:

Yeah. What's it for if it's not to be on you,

Darren:

be prepared at all times.

Gene:

I'm telling you Adam walks around with his gun all the time.

Darren:

Well, Yeah. And you never know what's going to happen. So when it's always one of those things where then if you don't have it, then you're afraid, especially if you have any kind of, like OCD or any of That kind of stuff, it's you feel like all, if you leave the gun at home, the one time that's going to be when they need

Gene:

That will be the one time, but why stop? But living in at home, you shouldn't leave in the bedroom or

Darren:

we should have multiple. You really are saying you should have a firearm in every room of the house

Gene:

Well, that's the two options, right? You can carry one with you or you can have one in every room.

Darren:

either way. You are always prepared. I do want to look, just do a little bit of housekeeping here. I do want to say that I have been in communication with Ryan.

Gene:

Oh, how's he doing?

Darren:

He is okay. Personally, we are, we're good. And it's cool. And I know a lot of people have reached out to me since all this kind of thing. This thing started happening and I hope that people are reaching out to Ryan. He's available. He's a hermit, but you can find them on no agenda. Social, his email still works, ryan@grumpyoldbenz.com.

Gene:

Well, that's great to hear. And I certainly think people absolutely should be reaching out to him. He's at 9810 Mayfield, Seattle, zip code 9, 8 1 0 1. And just, go say hi, tell him you still love him and you want them to be on the show.

Darren:

I want you to know that he is also very well armed, so I wouldn't show up randomly at his front doorstep.

Gene:

go on

Darren:

Although here, if you have like a case of beer that he can see you, that's probably okay. He probably will let you make it up to the door before he shoots you.

Gene:

Well, I'm for one, I'm still waiting for Bemrose speaks because I'm supposed to be a guest on that show. So definitely still waiting for when we're going to record that. But hopefully not too long.

Darren:

Well, you would understand that in that case you would have to record it and post it and do all the editing work, but otherwise he would be happy to talk to you,

Gene:

Well, I'm sure that I could probably manage to do all the editing work.

Darren:

There is something to be said for diversifying as well, which is something that just

Gene:

Yeah, just get rid of the white man. That's what it comes down to. Oh, what do you mean?

Darren:

I meant doing so, that's what the world is talking about, but I meant rather than keeping everything in one box and I know it seems a little weird, but. I think in my perfect world, I'm doing five different podcasts on five different days with five different people. Or at least a solo show thrown in there. But I think the diversity would help a little

Gene:

thought about being a producer at any point in your life?

Darren:

Producer of what

Gene:

Of radio?

Darren:

this isn't, this kind of radio.

Gene:

That's why I'm asking. I'm like, you've created a job for yourself. Okay. All right.

Darren:

yeah, that is that is what this is. It's internet radio. And I think oddly enough, radio

Gene:

really have to qualify these days? Isn't it. Isn't radio

Darren:

But the weird thing

Gene:

Versus the other thing, terrestrial radio

Darren:

yeah, well I think so, but terrestrial radio pays a lot less, which is really hard for a lot of people to believe.

Gene:

and the ads are even paying

Darren:

my God. Yes. And so it's the,

Gene:

I told you before. I think that on one of the podcasts that I had running with another buddy of mine, we advertised on am radio

Darren:

yes. You were telling me about that because you were being you and you were trolling the guy and he was like, oh, what do you think we could do to bring people in here? Advertise on radio, just kidding.

Gene:

Seems like a great, I didn't say that. Just kidding. I thought I was like, Hey, why don't we, why don't we go after where we know people are willing to listen to stuff. Where's that radio let's advertise the podcast on radio

Darren:

There is a certain amount of sense that is there because if somebody is listening to talk radio than they will probably like a talk radio format show, and you're just getting it to them in a different way. And I looked today at the the end of the no agenda stream, which is where I do the most of these shows live for this grumpy old bands was always Monday and Friday, but we're. you and I are seemingly are going to be hitting this mainly on Fridays at this time, but no agenda stream.com troll room.io. But I was looking at one of the things you can see if you go into the back end of this internet, radio bohemoth is where people are, you get the IP addresses, but you also can see

Gene:

Their addresses and where they live.

Darren:

Well, no that's different, but you can see the client they're using and you can see the operating system they're on. And I was surprised just at the random, this morning, early, when there's only a handful of people on the stream that five of them were on Roku's, which is, I knew there was a no agenda stream app on the road. But I always just kinda thought that was probably, we never use match that somebody created it and it just has

Gene:

We can fix this really. Rocco isn't that horribly overpriced device for people that can't afford both devices by,

Darren:

No, that's Sonos, isn't it? The Roku is the

Gene:

well what's the Roku one. Oh yeah, you're right. That is so okay. That, that joke just totally got fired.

Darren:

it's the video streaming thing. They're like,

Gene:

yes. The rope Roku isn't that device that people, that ought to be using the Amazon stick device use instead

Darren:

Yes, it is an Amazon stick. It's like an apple TV. It's just another version of that. And I don't, I'm assuming that the Roku channel is only be

Gene:

I wonder if anybody listens on Sonos.

Darren:

primer that wouldn't do. They don't have a, like an app store stuff like that. You can just pipe that through whatever you're listening to, probably through your phone and just cast it over, like the Chrome cast and

Gene:

no, I bet they, they have their own apps. I've seen the Sonos app that lets you stream stuff.

Darren:

But I thought that was

Gene:

I don't have one of these things obviously, but I know people that do,

Darren:

What people listen through all sorts of

Gene:

and in fact, I had to load the app on so I can play my own playlist when I come over to there house.

Darren:

Taking over. You walk in and you have your own like

Gene:

pretty much is

Darren:

we have, there's probably not, at least initially wasn't a whole lot of security built in. It was like, oh, if you're within range of a network that has this on it. then it'll just, you'll just start streaming over.

Gene:

Well, it was meant for people's inside their house. Yeah, no, I think now it does actually require a login for some reason, but it did used to be that if you're on the network, if you're on wifi, clearly you've been allowed to be on.

Darren:

Yes.

Gene:

Yeah. And we had, yeah. And then that, that allowed you to just override somebody's poor choice.

Darren:

so I thought it was interesting that people are actually using the Roku app to listen live. And it's just another way to do it. There's it's, I know for people that are techie, you just go wait, you can figure that out. There's a lot of people who can't figure out how to take that link and the information that's available, the address of the stream and put it into a program like VLC, or I use AIMP or into now that you can do this into a lot of the podcasting apps, including podcast addict, you can go in and with the stream name, then the address you put that in and you can just name it, no agenda radio. So anytime you want to listen to the stream, you can just load up that podcast app. But it was interesting to me that many people were using Roku. And it makes me realize that you have to, if you're serious about this kind of stuff, you have to. The, you have to put the effort in, and

Gene:

anybody in the troll room using a Roku, if you are speak up.

Darren:

it is the the no agenda stream app Mudder, but they have a Roku app for that. And I know the only person that I've ever heard talk about listening to no agenda on the Roku app was I think DC girl mentioned it at one, point that she was listening through the Roku app. A mother has a Roku. I have multiple Roku's. I think a lot of people have them and may not, even know that a cold acid says he uses the Roku app from time to time. And I think there's a lot of people that probably have Roku's because they're cheap devices

Gene:

I think one of my TVs has a built-in, but I never use it.

Darren:

and that's one more way that people can get the live streaming shows without having to have their laptop or whatever. So, it's nice. It's an interesting thing again, because terrestrial radio now is very much limited. Even if we had a gig, it would probably pay much better, but if we had a gig here on Chicago radio, if you were on the biggest baddest am station here in Chicago during the day I think WGN probably still the strongest as far as the transmitters go. And I know back in the day at night, You could hear WGN all the way down into Florida because of the way the, the signal skips. But during the day for your actual listening audience, you're maybe getting, a few hundred miles, which is quite a bit limited when you compare that to you start bloviating into a microphone on the internet and anybody

Gene:

goes all the way to Australia.

Darren:

Yeah. There are, I bet you, there are people live right now in Australia and in the UK and across

Gene:

Well, no, the Australians, I think they're not allowed to listen to controversial speech rate. Now they're under house arrest

Darren:

Yeah. So

Gene:

and their children apparently under real arrest.

Darren:

Oh, did you see

Gene:

Yeah. Isn't that insane?

Darren:

the whole bring your child to an

Gene:

Child labor camps.

Darren:

to get them vaccinated when no parents allowed in? Oh, I, it's very strange. It's a very strange world. We're living in Jean and I listened

Gene:

If anybody ever wondered what, the late 1930s in Germany looked like you're watching them.

Darren:

it's bizarre and I listened to your episode on what's going on in Afghanistan. And this whole situation is really beyond even comprehension that it went down the way that it did. This is. A, as you mentioned, you were in lockstep with O'Reilly's coverage. So, which I thought was quite interesting as well. He gets paid a lot more than we do

Gene:

Yeah. Given that I don't listen to them that, that isn't.

Darren:

That it is about it being such a tribal society. So there was never going to be anybody that could unite Afghanistan. O'Reilly said maybe if God, him or herself came down and wanted to do it, then maybe, but it's not something that any man, any nation building group is going to be able to do. And this the concept that you can go into a place like this and make these changes. If you're not going to stay there permanently, it's never going to happen. And what we saw was though a complete breakdown within just hours. And there's still a lot of people that are trapped in Afghanistan. I think the biggest scandal coming out of this is it appears that people high up in our government, Warren, the president in his people. Cause I think Biden is diminished and is pretty much a puppet at this point, but he and his office were told that this was a very good chance of this happening and they decided to let it happen. And not only that. They're not really doing much at this point to change this. And this is exactly what the the bit that no agenda played yesterday from Laura Loomer. This is exactly

Gene:

Oh, don't spoil it. I haven't what's it. Don't

Darren:

Donald's two spoilers. Dan Crenshaw, saying the same thing. There's a lot of people that are saying,

Gene:

Crenshaw I've lost all respect for that, dude.

Darren:

He

Gene:

He's coming out as a Warhawk big time. He's like the next McCain.

Darren:

maybe, but he was there. So, he has a little bit of an idea of what's going on in Afghanistan and everybody that is coming out and saying, there, there are things that Biden can be doing as the commander in chief to at least tamp this down and they're refusing to do it. And that is the question of why. And how much does it concern you that Joe Biden did his little? And I think it's bullshit that the media that's covering this telling us that it costs $30,000 for Biden to go from his summer home to make the speech was, it's cost $30,000 because of using the helicopter to do it. I don't know, present. I'm never going to

Gene:

sounds about right. I think it's about $8,000 for a medevac helicopter to fly it to a hospital or, depending on distance, obviously.

Darren:

I'm not going to blame him for that, but I guess the reality also is if you're just going to make a steak. And not take any questions, then maybe it didn't need to go to the white house to make the statement. And you could have made your statement from anywhere.

Gene:

I'm. So not concerned about the cost of these things in the grand scheme of things in the amount of money that the government spends he could be flying back and forth all day in the helicopter would not buy.

Darren:

Yeah, that was exactly. my point. And to see that as the headline in some of these places that he spent, the $30,000, it's like a distraction again. You're totally missing the point here. But then Biden came out again, I believe yesterday and made comments about COVID and then wouldn't take questions. How concerned are you that we have a president in the United States that is refusing to talk to the media

Gene:

Well, we've had that in the past. Haven't we?

Darren:

to certain extents? We, it wasn't with Trump because he would never shut up. So

Gene:

Trump would never shut up. No, I'm just thinking back Clinton didn't take questions quite a few times.

Darren:

but he wasn't in hiding. He also had things on a schedule. This is the most,

Gene:

had Monica on the schedule.

Darren:

it was one of the the most entertaining things is as I on the Monday shows of grumpy old bans was pointing out the shot in murder statistics for Chicago. Bill O'Reilly has been starting his show. With the published presidential schedule for that particular day.

Gene:

No.

Darren:

And it's comedy. When you see there the multiple days with nothing, or there are days where it's oh, I have a lunch at 1230 with some group and then make a statement at four. And that's it. The only things on the schedule it's

Gene:

Well, do you think that somehow is different than the schedule of the average retiree at a nursing home?

Darren:

no, but this isn't a, they're not in charge of the country, the average retirees in the nursing home.

Gene:

Yeah. And what's crazy is it's the stupid gen Z years that put him in charge of the country. Why do you want grandpa running things?

Darren:

This is the question that I've asked multiple times because Barack Obama was supposed to usher in a change in the way our leaders, our politicians at the top look, not just the fact that he was black, but he was younger, which was also, a pretty big deal. And the fact that we just went back to the 70 to 80 year old white guy and gal, if really the, Hillary was one of the main competitors for Trump and I don't understand why we are as a nation going to people in that range. There's a lot in there. And it, this may be yet that when you go to the people in the Republican and Democrat parties, they're like, well, here's, who's next up. It's really just a system of Joe and a, he's been sitting around waiting and it's now it's finally his time when

Gene:

The society of Logan's run and starting to make more and more sense to me.

Darren:

yeah,

Gene:

you know, you're getting up in those upper thirties, no good can come of you being around anymore.

Darren:

there, I understand why you wouldn't want a 35 year old necessarily as president, but I would rather have somebody closer to that age range than closer to 80,

Gene:

Yeah, I eat well, I would prefer neither. Clearly the gen X is the proper generation to be an office, but that aside, I think just there should be a competent stance, like a basic mental competence exam that is given to people before they can get a driver's license should also be administered to potential presidential candidates.

Darren:

Yes. And like driving, they should have to take the test yearly. Once you hit a certain age, this is a.

Gene:

Yeah. Yeah, no, I totally am on board. All kidding aside. That actually makes sense. You give the president of physical? Why wouldn't you give them a mental test as well? Do you really want somebody with the codes to, not be able to pass a psych exam?

Darren:

Yeah, there are certain cognitive tasks that they should probably have to be able to pass. This has happened in our history though, in the past, we know this, that presidential maladies of all sorts have been covered up

Gene:

Yeah. FDR should've never been president.

Darren:

It's it was a lot easier to cover this kind of stuff up before.

Gene:

Yeah.

Darren:

Yeah. I read on before the internet, before 24, 7 news seven news coverage, there was a, much easier for this kind of things, these things to be buttoned to the background, at least. But now this is a much different world when people are watching what's going on in Afghanistan, including the video. I'm sure everybody listening has seen the airport that is overrun people grabbing out of the planes as the planes are going to take off falling from the planes after They do take off. Now, if this was in the 1960s, seventies, eighties, that it was up to the individual news networks to one, be able to get those pictures and that wasn't always easy, but as they got them, then it was up to them to publish those where now a lot of what we get. As far as being able to see what's going on around the world has nothing to do with the media. It's from individual people, with their cell phones that are posting this stuff to social media. So it becomes much harder to cover up. There's still ways to spin everything. Sure. And there's ways that the leaders of various countries and the media will lie, but this concept that people aren't going to notice this debacle that's going on, it's not easy to just play that, for somebody to get onto CNN. If somebody wanted to protect Biden to come on to MSNBC or CNN and say, well, no things are calming down in Afghanistan while social media is showing the kind of videos we're seeing.

Gene:

Yeah, they're literally have been Americans now held without bail in jail for eight months stemming from doing essentially a crappy job of what the Taliban just did much better in Afghanistan.

Darren:

Yeah. You want me to talk about The January 6th?

Gene:

The attempted coup of the United States that wasn't carried out particularly well, because it involved a lot of grandmothers and grandfathers waving American flags. But there's something we could learn here from the Taliban as far as how to take over the capital.

Darren:

Well, one have weapons is a, probably a

Gene:

No, no most important thing. Most important thing. You'll note. And especially if you've been following me on no gen social, you got to have Toyota's.

Darren:

Okay. And you want to ride in the back of these

Gene:

Yes. Yes. But I've, I posted photos and it's maybe if anyone's not noted on social, it's a great reason to be there. Cause I posted on there. I posted photos of the Taliban. I'll CA no, not a kid Taliban the, yeah. Okay. That and the Mujahideen in Afghanistan. So I had photos from last week. They're driving in the white Toyota. Hi Lexus. I had a photo from 2005 driving white theaters photo from the Al-Qaeda in the 93. I think they're driving a brown Toyota highlights and a photo of the original Mujahideen. Like 82, 83 in a white highlights Toyota. And I was like, tell you what, it's got a hell of a long contract with these guys.

Darren:

Well, obviously They're the only trucks that stand up.

Gene:

they're the fleet providers for the Taliban and for a lot of African countries as well. But man, it's they're always brand new. It's another thing that, that is shocking, somewhat to see is it's not like these guys all drive Toyota's anyway, and they took their personal vehicles and they've now started driving around then with AK 40 sevens and eras in all these photos in whatever year the photo is that Toyota's are of that year. And I check this, I actually looked up the old brochures for the Toyota's to look at like the front fascia of the car and compare it. And in all these photos, these are brand new Toyotas.

Darren:

Okay, that's weird. you think this is all staged or do you think they just really love

Gene:

have a theory about this and I've posted it and I was in session. And then the theory is I don't think Toyota ever stopped fighting world war II.

Darren:

maybe

Gene:

I think they're still trying to win.

Darren:

it's definitely strange.

Gene:

Yeah.

Darren:

is definitely.

Gene:

And they used to always have AK 47. And so that was like the standard. And then this last photo of, from a week ago, there's a photo of these guys sitting out at Toyota and holding air 50. Well, now the air 15, probably M sixteens, M 16 what? Eight to H bar. So it was like, huh, maybe the U S got a part of this contract.

Darren:

Well, that was the one, the biggest problem, besides, if you want to which, I'm not suggesting you do, but once you get beyond the human cost of this because right now it seems like there's a lot of people that need to be evacuated from that country that it's looking very dicey. I don't know what's going on behind the scenes. I don't know if there are special forces working on getting some of these people out or not, but once you get beyond

Gene:

you mean the collaborators.

Darren:

well, them, and they're still, there was thousands of Americans still in Afghanistan, which I don't even understand how you allow this to happen. If you're going to pull out of a country like this, then you need to get word to anybody that is, an American first and foremost, if you're the United States, you're pulling out of Afghanistan, you need to make sure that anybody that's an American in that country knows about this before it happens. And so you can get them out without having to go through the chaos that's going on

Gene:

probably are. They probably just haven't had their COVID tests done.

Darren:

maybe you can't get out of the plane unless you

Gene:

Maya, you got to have a vaccine passport or you got a swab and then wait 48 hours.

Darren:

the TSA is, are very serious about that. But, once you get beyond the human aspect of things, it seems that there was a whole lot of weaponry vehicles, all this stuff left behind that if you knew you were going to be pulling out, I don't think you wanna leave thousands of rifles and ammunition and whatever other kind of ordinance you may have behind there. I don't think you want to leave that, but you know, maybe I'm just crazy.

Gene:

Well, we left plenty of things in Vietnam as well. The difference here was the Vietnamese. And actually the U S special forces at the time as well, preferred the AK 40 sevens because they tended to jam a lot less than the American guns.

Darren:

well, yeah, that's really not a good thing. Sand gets in them. You don't want your weapon to blow up in your face or not work when you need them to. So, I thought that was interesting. The amount of just physical things left on the ground, but one of the stories that I had pulled up was how the Afghan people. And this is the tech tie-in for all. This is they're scrambling to delete their digital history. And, think about that. If you were living in Afghanistan for the past 20 years and you thought things are relatively safe, the American militaries here posting things on to whatever the social media sites that are

Gene:

Taliban sucks.

Darren:

Huh? Yeah. That's this is the kind of stuff you're now going back and very quickly trying to delete their digital history. And it's a very interesting technological

Gene:

So how bad is the Taliban if they haven't shut down the internet yet? How bad are they?

Darren:

As far as shutting it down in Afghanistan. That's a question if they? know exactly how did it's I have, I can not get my

Gene:

You mean the AFL question. If they know how they have their own internet, a video shows, of course they know how

Darren:

they're on Twitter. That's

Gene:

they're on YouTube. They're Twitch they're on everything

Darren:

it doesn't mean that they know, besides blowing up the cell towers and that, I don't know if they're

Gene:

you're saying. You don't think that there are dudes named Ben that worked for the Taliban. Are you

Darren:

there has to be. Yeah. So the, it will be interesting to see how that gets locked down. Within the first 24 hours, I wouldn't expect that to happen. What we did. Within about the first 24 hours were videos coming out of people, pulling down the Taliban flag and putting the Afghan flag up and then getting shot. So we're seeing that. So that's one way of crowd control. It's a little bit more brutal than what you'd get here in the United States, but this concept of your digital history then being used is is a serious problem. If you were posting things publicly that could now, we talk about that all the time here on grumpy old, which is on a much more different level of things, but oh, you posted something 10 years ago, which is now a word that nobody can say, and you can't get hired because of it and the case of Afghanistan. And it's quite possible that you might've posted a word 10 years ago, that if the people in charge find it and then find you will kill you.

Gene:

Well, that's a good lesson to learn. You shouldn't be posting things that you're not willing to stick with.

Darren:

Yes. Don't post anything anywhere in the it is interesting that if I pull the article here or not, but Twitter said that the cause they do have accounts on Twitter from the Taliban and it was like, well, as long as they follow our rules and aren't too. We'll let them continue to post. And I'm like, wait, so you pulled Donald Trump off, but you're allowing the Taliban to stay on your,

Gene:

to be fair, they are the legitimate rulers of a country. You can't just take somebody who is the head of a state off Twitter that no, yet he can't do things like that.

Darren:

That's what they did, Jean.

Gene:

Well, no, they didn't. They tell him mountain still on there.

Darren:

Oh, put Donald Trump. when he was the leader of the United States. Yeah.

Gene:

a whole different question now. Of

Darren:

It's a different story. So, it's really, so when

Gene:

What Trump did, I think justifies. Yeah. Really, compared to the Taliban, you got to compare them side by side and you realize, well, of course they took Trump off.

Darren:

Yeah. Yeah, if you're going to compare the two, of course you can see where Donald Trump was way more dangerous to people's lives than the

Gene:

He used extremely racist words. Like freedom.

Darren:

I'm Terry and Jack Dorsey looks like he might be on the Taliban. So it's very,

Gene:

That's a good point.

Darren:

it's hard to say what what side they're on.

Gene:

Jack Dorsey would not be alive for very long with the Taliban running things. That's for sure.

Darren:

Yeah. And so this is interesting when you think about living under that kind of a regime and one, if you lived under it, your whole life, it's a little different because. W when you have always had to deal with that, then you grow up being careful, that you can't say anything. You mean you hear stories all the time of people that came out of, the old Soviet union and areas like that. And when the change happens almost overnight, this is a very interesting time in history because I don't know, the last time something like this would have happened in the blink of an eye with the technology, with all the social media, with all of these bread crumbs, these trails of content that people have been leaving for years out there. And it's it's mind boggling. I can't even imagine if I was somebody in Afghanistan who had posted a bunch of stuff like this. You have to, at this point, just be hiding in hoping you never get found

Gene:

I don't think you're hiding. I think you're exactly out front and center running behind an airplane.

Darren:

right, right. Yeah. You're trying to get the

Gene:

I had a Facebook account. Get me out of here.

Darren:

Yeah. They're gonna kill me. You have no idea.

Gene:

And really you look at the number of those people that are at the airport right now, I guarantee you a lot of them did not work for the U S a lot of them are just trying to leave for the reason that you just mentioned. They think that there's something that could end up biting them in the ass, and they would much rather not take the chance and then take the train to America. In fact so just recently here, I flew back from Seattle visiting of course, and on my drive from the airport through my house, I had an Afghan Afghanistani, I guess I've got to study and Afghan that's a rug, right?

Darren:

Yeah. Yeah. There aren't. Well, no,

Gene:

A rug me or

Darren:

other can be Afghan

Gene:

or no there's dogs that are Afghan style as well. Aren't they? Yeah. There's like an Afghan hound or something. Anyway. So this advanced standing dude was my driver Uber, and I asked him, so, how long have you been here and why? And it turns out he was an interpreter for the U S military. And he clearly they have better sense than a lot of these other people in Afghanistan and realized how, the U S is going to pull out on these days and I'll be screwed. So I'm going to apply to get a visa, to move to the U S which the U S has historically done for people that have worked for the U S military in a lot of countries. That's one of the ways to get a visa like a totally legit legal visa into the United States is to work for the United States armed services overseas. So people working in embassies, people working in wherever they can just usually figure out a way to legally apply for a visa that way. And, like he was an interpreter there. He was an engineer before that. And then now he's a Uber driver,

Darren:

but alive. So, there's

Gene:

but alive. And so I guess you have to balance the live versus maybe he could be a successful engineer working for the Taliban out there if he didn't do a stint translating

Darren:

well. And that's it because, they think they take a very, no matter what. Which is also the weird thing. The public face of the Taliban is no, we're not your father's Taliban. We're a kinder, gentler Taliban. We're going to let women have rights. And again,

Gene:

And they did exactly say that the abuse of women is not going to be tolerated that women will have all the rights prescribed by them.

Darren:

now there's news coming out that's not really the case. And what the other thing people have to understand is this isn't an army. Like you think of the United States where you actually are held accountable to people above you. And, there are very, some standards, at least now what you have over in Afghanistan is much more of a ragtag kind of a thing. And there's a lot of these groups that are just more on the fringes, but, I thought the most interesting thing in the coverage of this came from bill O'Reilly who in this case, I find to be probably the best source you can go to because he is buddies with Donald Trump. So, granted, there may be bias, but he seems to usually try to bring the accurate thing out. And he said, talking to Donald Trump, he knows because Donald Trump also wanted to pull the United States forces out of Afghanistan. So this isn't something like Biden came in. And Trump was all I want to stay in, and this is great. And then Biden change that Biden just did a continuation of a Trump policy, which is also weird because Biden has turned everything else pretty much had done a 180 and everything else. But O'Reilly said that Donald Trump talked to him about this and I'll Riley has a whole book coming out on terrorism that he had a face to face. And if you were, I remember when this happened because this was, oh, wow, are you negotiating with terrorists? But he had a face-to-face with some of the Taliban leaders. And from what it sounded like, according to a Riley who was according to Trump, these guys were told, we're going to be pulling out. And here's what we expect to happen when that happens. And if this doesn't happen, not only are we coming back in, but I know who you guys are. I know where your families are. And first and foremost, what we're going to do when we come back is kill you and everybody in all of your families. And I believe that the Taliban would have believed Donald Trump. And I believe Donald Trump, that if he were the president and this is the kind of thing that went on, this is something he would have done. And Joe Biden, if you're in the Taliban and you're thinking the guy that threatened us, when he was in charge, we were afraid. But now this guy who won't even talk to reporters, you think he's going to do anything. And I think this is how you get the situation where you turned into the, just the buckle that it is. And a lot of people would be like, wow, mean, I can't believe the president of United States would threatened people like that, but it's like, what do you think happens in the world? There's a lot of people who don't understand the way the real world works. It's not everybody gets a trophy. This is a, this is something that I think is very detrimental to Americans this concept over the last decade or two that, everybody's equal. You don't have to work hard. It's a doggy dog world Jean, or am I.

Gene:

Well, I think there's a few issues. One of which is, as I talked about in my episode on Afghanistan is that if you don't look at this from an American centric perspective, if you look at it sort of from a third party, not even from a Taliban perspective, but just from the outside, what you have is a situation where maybe a country had a particularly brutal government. Okay. Let's we use that as a given and then another country comes in and occupies that country and effectively pushes out and defeats that government, at least as far as control in the in the broad sense of the word, like many of the individuals that were involved in that previous government are still around. They're just no longer in government. And then that, yeah. And then that lasts for 20 years, the occupiers leave. Well, of course, it's going to be the same government that was there beforehand that comes in, it's if somehow China had a civil war, what you don't think that Taiwan after 60 years wouldn't start making pushes to commend as the legitimate government. And take things back over. Of course they would.

Darren:

Right. You see an opening?

Gene:

Yeah. They see an opening there, the Taliban was the last government of that country. Why would people think that somebody other than them would end up running the country? So that's one thing. The other thing is the people of Afghanistan never hated the Taliban. There could be certainly aspects of the previous administration that may have been disliked by some people like maybe women didn't like the fact that they couldn't drive and had to cover up their bodies. But but clearly the fact that Taliban has returned to power so quickly to me indicates a very strong preference for Taliban as the government in that country, over the puppet government that the U S installed. This could not happen if the Afghan people didn't want the Taliban in charge, they clearly do so.

Darren:

you can't say they didn't have the tools because the United States spent 20 years there and provided them with a lot of training and a lot of equipment to have an army.

Gene:

And at the very least, if there was a strong disdain for the Taliban in Afghanistan, wouldn't you think there would be a civil war where there would be actual Afghans trying to fight the Taliban because the only people. Opposing Taliban was the puppet government that was brought in by the United States. And so when the United States leaves, the support of an external group is gone and there's no support for the the government that's been there for the last 20 years with the locals. In fact, they would much prefer the government that came in and it was only around for six years. Tell them that the only control of Ganesan for about six years then the government that controlled them for the last 20, maybe the government that's been in Afghanistan, wasn't all that great. And it seemed like it to Americans because that's what our media portrays is that, oh yes. We came in and we saved the poor people of Afghanistan from this horrible regime. Well, okay. What the last two weeks have indicated is they much prefer the old regime to what they've had for the last 20 years.

Darren:

Or they have no idea how not to let that happen, which I don't know what the percentages are. There's obviously a lot of people that want it out, but they may have just been. The minority, which are we talk about that all the time, when it comes down to the views that are expressed on things like social media in that here where it's I can't believe that's a majority of the people, and that may be the same thing in Afghanistan, which is Okay. Those were the people that didn't want this. But if a vast majority do, then you're not going to be able to to stop this rolling in. And the interesting thing is I think the United States, anybody that's been paying attention knows that playing the world's police is not a winning battle ever. And when it's something like Afghanistan, that is, it's not we have a much bigger interest in what's going on in Canada and Mexico that I get, Afghanistan and it's a little bit less concerning for the United States. And it's interesting now that there's, you see the headlines of, well, the EU is really worried about stability now because of Afghanistan falling and what that means for them. And what that means to them then is get your

Gene:

Can I just quote Victoria Nuland say, fuck the, you,

Darren:

yeah, there you go. But then the EU, if you're really concerned about this, then get your ass to Afghanistan and do whatever you think you need to do.

Gene:

yeah, they can do shit. The U is powerless in that regard. And I think that strategically where the U S losing Afghanistan as a base of operations is not a good thing from a personal freedoms standpoint, from a libertarian standard. Obviously the Taliban is not a good thing. It's a much more authoritarian regime, but it's like, they don't pretend to be something else. When you have communists authoritarians, they are using communism to be able to run the country as authoritarians. It's a lie because if you look at the tenants of communism, it is incompatible with authoritarianism, but almost every single maybe I can even say every single communist regime has simply used communism tenants to get people behind them and then run things as an authoritarian regime. So there's really no real communism in there. It's just, they use that name and slogan, but really it's just an authoritarian government, but the Taliban doesn't, they're not lying about this. Like they, they tell you up front that they are using the conservative interpretation of the Koran. They are using Sharia as the legal system in the country. This is all out in the open, exactly what to expect from the Taliban, which by the

Darren:

mean the interest?

Gene:

we just means students. That's what Talibans means. And it's not Arabic. It's whatever the language Pashto, I guess, is the language they use.

Darren:

Well, that's the interesting thing though, because it's way easier to understand those laws than what we have here in the United States.

Gene:

Yeah, well, there's, first of all, there's few of those laws they're written down, the penalties. And no, you can certainly argue. And I think quite correctly that any type of a political system based on religious beliefs is going to be rational because it's essentially taking belief or rational thought. That's why we have a separation of church and state in this country. Or one of the reasons is because we want to use logical reason for, sentencing someone to prison rather than oh, well, you're clearly a witch and we're going to burn you at the stake. And you're a witch because you've been accused by three people. And that makes sense your which, and

Darren:

and if you don't float, when they throw

Gene:

that's true if you don't. Yeah. Or was it if you float or you don't? Yeah, I think it's if you float, so if you don't float, you're not a witch. If you float, you're clearly a witch.

Darren:

Yeah.

Gene:

So the only way to win is to never come up from underwater.

Darren:

And be able to swim really fast and nobody sees where you come up.

Gene:

Yeah, exactly. But then you're just the tricky one.

Darren:

Yes. That if they find you

Gene:

I, again, I have no sympathies for Taliban, but I'm more of a realist, I think, than a lot of people and a lot of the media and a lot of the Fox viewers as well, because I just don't see this as a being really our fault or our problem because clearly the people of the country in a vast majority prefer Taliban over the government that the U brought in.

Darren:

Well, and let's remember that the reason 20 years ago that we went into Afghanistan was to get bin Laden and then we got bin Laden and we didn't leave.

Gene:

Yeah.

Darren:

been muddled ever since.

Gene:

Yeah, absolutely. And not to mention the fact that we created the ISIS in a lot of ways. And we're partly responsible for the formation of Al Qaeda because of what we did in Afghanistan when the Russians invaded.

Darren:

Yes. So, yeah. when the Soviet union went in, they were our enemy. So we decided to send equipment and whatever else, went in to these forces that were fighting the Soviet. Yeah.

Gene:

Yeah. And the Mujahideen who was like the group that predated all these other things. We're essentially the freedom fighters fighting the communist invasion and that's the way they were portrayed. That's pretty close to reality, but there's also plenty of things about them that if you dig into it, like they, they didn't observe what Westerners would consider the rules of engagement or rules of war Russians preferred to commit suicide, to be captured by these guys, because if you're captured alive by the Mujahideen, they would start by raping you. And yes, men raping men cause sheep, goats, men, what's the difference, right? And eventually they would end up torturing you to death for their pleasure. That was a standard thing. Like prisoners were not considered humans. Prisoners were considered trophies to be played with as much as you want it to. And so like Russian helicopter pilots always had a shot ready for themselves. If their helicopter goes down.

Darren:

Which makes sense, which is also why you understand then the story of Trump saying, yeah, you do this. I'm coming for you and your family because the rules of engagement are different. This is. Well, it's annoying in a way that so many people in the United States and I'm sure in, Europe in these civilized societies who are like no, we must be civilized when it comes to war. It's there's nothing civil about war

Gene:

This country was created by people that broke the rules of warfare because the British civil form of warfare was to walk in straight lines and listen to commands as you're, whoever was up front shoots, first, the kneels to reload the guy standing behind them, shoot next and out in the open fields and what the much worse equipped and smaller armies of the future seem to be United States of the re I guess the state, or they wouldn't say they were the colonies, the armies of the colonies, they have to rely on guerrilla warfare tactics. So they will absolutely break rules by shooting people as they ride through the forest to get to their field for battle. They engaged in what we would certainly consider guerrilla warfare tactics.

Darren:

yes. Which is a different mentality. It's a win at all costs mentality. There's no. Among the combatants, which there was a video, I'm sure there've been multiple of such a videos out there, but there was an NHL game. I don't remember the two players involved that one of them was miked up. So this was a very interesting kind of thing to see. These were the two enforcers and they were next to each other, waiting for a puck drop. They were waiting for the face-off and the one very politely turned to the other and he's you want to go? And the guy looks at him and it's the affirmative whatever he says. Yes. And the other guy's well, good luck to you. And they drop the puck and they start beating the crap out of each other. But how this, the preempt, what happened leading up to that? It's just this is just so weird. It just shows you that, this is the polite way. You ask if you would like to go to battle and then you wish your opponent well, and then you beat the crap out of them.

Gene:

well, it's a boxing match

Darren:

yeah. But that's not war

Gene:

That's not war. And this was what I was trying to get across. In my episode on Afghanistan. Is they the idea that first of all, the Taliban are fighting for their country? The Americans are not I'm not sure what they're fighting for. I think originally, as I mentioned, are the rationale used to go into Afghanistan was not, oh, they have a horrible government. We're going to replace it for them. The rationale was. Oh this is where some have been locked in this hiding out. So that's really why we have to go into Afghanistan because I remember hearing Afghanistan the first day. I was like, what? Wait a minute. I thought we were going in there. We're into Iraq. Why are there troops at all in Afghanistan? And then, as obviously throughout the news cycles, you start to hear about how the secret mastermind of nine 11 attack was hiding out in the cave systems and being provided shelter out there. Okay. So we invade a country spend what is now, people are saying 2 trillion started off as 1 trillion have 2,400 American deaths, a hundred thousand civilian deaths, because we wanted to find one guy who we found 10 years ago and killed.

Darren:

In Pakistan.

Gene:

Right, exactly. By the time that we found them, it wasn't even in Afghanistan, it was a whole different country. So that was about as good, a rationale as a weapons of mass destruction, which is to say it was a made up rationale for being there. And when we got there, we replaced the government and we ultimately I think initially we were we were not on the pro opiates bandwagon, but eventually Afghanistan under us control. So I rise in 40% of production. So we help them improve their farming technologies.

Darren:

You got to grow them poppies

Gene:

You gotta grow them poppies. Cause you know, cause the world needs needs all the legitimate legal drugs that are driving from Bobby's.

Darren:

Sure. And none of the illegal ones, but we noticed we've never invaded Pakistan. They're still considered an ally.

Gene:

Yeah. And they were like, you mentioned, they actually were harboring a summit. Yeah.

Darren:

Yes. And I guess the

Gene:

But they also have nuclear weapons.

Darren:

that's, well, it's a little trickier,

Gene:

See, that's the club everybody wants to get into. Cause then the U S can't fuck with you.

Darren:

you. would think,

Gene:

Well, this is why we're not going to fuck with China when they reunite and take Taiwan in,

Darren:

the concept of mutually assured destruction. The question is, do you believe at some point somebody is eventually going to depress that. I it's an interesting a war gaming thing

Gene:

I think somebody will and it's not going to be the U S I don't think there's any president that has the balls to do it anymore.

Darren:

Yeah, I would agree.

Gene:

I think that odds are that some, one of these countries will use a nuclear weapon. It's just going to be a question of whether.

Darren:

And knowing, it's, it really is that, like you said, the pilots going down in a, that would rather commit suicide. I think if you're going to launch a nuclear attack at this point, you have to know that's going to be the last thing you can really do because you're going to be obliterated. I would think, depending, I don't know. I don't think there's any way that, if China decides they want to nuke Taiwan or something like that. I don't think there's any

Gene:

Well, I don't think it will be a first strike. I think it'll be as a response to conventional warfare. So if you, yeah, and I have a hard time envisioning anything coming out of North Korea that works, I think their technology isn't exactly where they pretend it is.

Darren:

Dennis Rodman is the only one that can bring us peace in North Korea. So there's.

Gene:

But let's just, let's say it is Pakistan, right? Let's say the agitation between Indian Pakistan keeps increasing and they get into a real hissy field with each other and then India sends and in that part of the world, a small number of troops, let's say a million and occupy a portion of Pakistan. Could I envision Pakistan replying to that with a nuclear strike? Yes I could because

Darren:

then doesn't everybody below that crap out of Pakistan. You don't think

Gene:

Nope. Nope. Well, nobody else is going to use nuclear weapons because everybody's then afraid of a chain reaction. Ha get it. Chain reaction. Yeah. So no, because here's what happens, right? Let's say they do that. And then India is like, Hey, we've got a peace treaty with England. So England go new Pakistan and England's going to be like new bro. You're on your own.

Darren:

We were only

Gene:

yeah, bet is if England nukes Pakistan, then you know, like Turkey, nukes, England, or whoever I'm just making, alliances up that don't exist probably. But you know what I mean? It's like nobody is going to want to continue this game if one country knew. So what I think is possible is for a single nuclear bomb to go off as a response to conventional warfare somewhere. And while there could certainly be a world condemnation and large inflow of UN forces and a coalition coming in that country. I think that the here's two things that happened with nuclear. So one is no one's going to be willing to respond nuclear for nuclear because they know that will end badly for everybody too. No country just has one nuclear bomb. They have multiple bombs. And that means even going in with a conventional force is problematic because once a country has demonstrated its ability to use a nuclear weapon, you have to take it seriously. Like it's not a question of would they use it? It's a question of they have used it. Will they use it again? Probably. Yes. The United States in a lot of ways has been seen as the leader of the free world because the United States did use nuclear bombs. We demonstrated our capability as well as our commitment to using nuclear weapons. And that made Japan surrender with no terms. It was a unilateral or what do you call it like a full surrender with no conditions, unconditional surrender, whereas previously they were balking at any kind of unconditional anything. And I think it, it both kept Russia and the rise of communism at bay and it it made most of Europe. And to some extent, south America as well, not fuck with us because we were the only country in the world that had used nuclear weapons against an enemy. Everybody else has just tested them on their own soil. So if one more country does that, if one more country uses nuclear weapons on their enemies, they're going to join a very exclusive club where it's just them in the United States are members,

Darren:

yeah, it does.

Gene:

But can you imagine the outrage in the United States, if the U S replies to a Pakistani nuclear strike with a nuclear strike? You want a, you want not a pretend revolution like happened. When people with flags were walking around the Capitol, you want literally the Capitol burned down.

Darren:

it is a game changer. That really is because you don't even have to have. The strongest military force. If you have nuclear weapons, this comes down to, Yeah. If you mess with me, I've got this button and it takes the stalemate off the table, like you said, in Japan, it was like, well, this is going to be, we saw what happened in Vietnam. There've been so many times where countries go to war and it's such a long, extended, almost nobody wins situation. But if one side has nukes and the other one, doesn't, it takes that right off the table. Cause you always have that ability to come in with that. And that changes everything really. So, I don't know. It all depends on the mindset as far as, Hey, if say somebody like Pakistan nuke, somebody else in the United States responds. I don't know. It depends because people are so caught up in what they hear from the media, what they hear from it depends who's in charge. It depends on so many different things that maybe you'd have a revolution. But I think a lot of people would be sold on the, oh, well we had to do this. It's like all this stuff.

Gene:

Yeah, I don't think they would. I really don't think that would, I don't think that because there's two issues here. First of all, there's just the general American public, which would see the cause a nuclear bomb is indiscriminate, right? This is not going to pinpoint destroy military base. This is going to kill thousands or tens of thousands of people immediately. Majority of whom will be civilians, women and children. How much Americans love women, children, especially brown women. And and secondly, there is the question of, is any action done against a primarily Muslim country? Jihad is American engaging in the next crusade, which demands a unilateral response from all Muslim countries to now bombed the United States and no politician in the U S is going to take that chance. None of them have the balls to do that.

Darren:

Yeah. Except Trump

Gene:

Trump would not do that. He does not have the balls to do that. Trump is all about talk. And as soon as somebody realizes you don't have to actually believe what he says, Trump loses 90% of his power.

Darren:

Well, that's what they said about Reagan, that it was because they believed he would do whatever he had.

Gene:

absolutely. And I think that was the point in winning the cold war was essentially propaganda that won that war. It was that Russia was convinced United States is getting weapons that can block a retaliatory strike in Russia. It was always believed that the United States will launch the initial nuclear attack because they've done it before. It's the only country that's done that in the past. And that they're just biting their time before they knew crusher. And so Russia had to have a really strong response capability. They had to prevent a nuclear war with the U S. By having enough nuclear warheads that the United States would know that as soon as the American ICBM's were detected that there would be enough Russian ones going off that even if they managed to shoot a lot of them down cities like Chicago, New York, LA would all be obliterated and star wars, which was really an anti re retaliatory strike weapon. It's sorta okay, we've got the capability to hit you. And we have the capability to shoot down your response. That's scary, man. That makes anybody be worried about what's going to happen when a an empire tries to go after you.

Darren:

Because, Yeah, because otherwise we'll, you see the missiles coming in you launch years before they even land. So this is a, the mutually assured destruction, although, we did a, well, I did people get annoyed, although I don't know, it's a King's English. I often say we, when, I, but I did an episode of random thoughts about the guy in Russia that was monitoring the the radar and got the alert back in, whatever, forget what year it was in the eighties of Ooh, missiles coming in and didn't do what he was supposed to do it because if he would have, there would have probably been a nuclear strike launched by the Soviet union. And, it's interesting when you look at that kind of stuff, one just how close we probably came in that case to to something going horribly wrong. And it should probably scare, this COVID stuff, this nuclear stuff should scare the crap out of people a whole lot more, I think.

Gene:

Yeah, I did it causes instant death for

Darren:

and yeah, and annihilation

Gene:

then generations of birth defects and medical issues and cancer running rampant and things like that. But, we dropped two bombs in Japan and it really, wasn't a huge impact on Japan in terms of culture and productivity. In fact, from a physical stand, like I've actually been to Hiroshima I've walked around the peace garden there, which was the epicenter of the blast. And not that far from there, literally, maybe four, four to five blocks was one of the palaces of the emperor. And the only thing that really happened there is a koi fish died. Like all the actual structures was still in place. There was some fires burning. Yes, but it's, it's not like it got turned to dust or anything. This blast was a fairly. It's fairly small blast. And in fact, one of the buildings that was an observatory that was fairly close to the epicenter of the blast. And you could probably see it in a lot of postcards and stuff that you buy there, but it's like the walls were still there. The ceiling and stuff were got blown up, but the, at least two of the walls of the building are still standing, as well as the metal casing. That was the roof. That was everybody's seen the billing and you'd know exactly what it is. If you look at the picture of Hiroshima, it's usually the one that they should. So yeah, we dropped nukes on them and Japan instantly surrendered, but they weren't that strong. And I know the nukes we've got right now are much, much bigger, but that's not what I'm worried about with them. Like I said, I think the odds are, if there will be a use of nuclear weapon, it's not going to be the U S or Russia. It's going to be a country that has much smaller and really much less refined weapons and has a culture where they think, I think that this is their only option. Like it's like backing a rat into a corner. If it can't run away, it's going to bite.

Darren:

which do I everybody's afraid of Iran getting the nuclear weapons.

Gene:

Yeah. Totally. Absolutely. And I think that's a legitimate fear. For this administration, but it's also created it. It's in some ways it's made it easier for the current administration of Iran to remain in place because it gives them an instant boogeyman in the United States wanting to destroy us. It's a lot easier for any government to function with an external enemy, because as soon as you take away the external enemy, people start looking at the inside what happened after the fall of the Soviet union? Well, America no longer had the evil empire to worry about. And so

Darren:

about.

Gene:

well, and that's why we had to create

Darren:

Nine

Gene:

seven. Yeah,

Darren:

in which we're coming up on 20 years, which is a world.

Gene:

exactly. It's if it's it's not a surprise. Given how quickly legislation came up after nine 11, that clearly plenty of people were preparing for nine 11, whatever it would have been called. There was already a plan in the works to enact something. And I think that there's a. I'm not just going to go know just blank and say, well, not 9, 9, 11. There was a conspiracy that was orchestrated by the U S government and all these elite dark forces or whatever. But I will say that when a country does not have an external enemy, the people that run that country get a lot more nervous because the eyes are more on them and an internal enemy arises. So it's extremely important for any government to be able to have external enemies

Darren:

Well, yeah, because now you're seeing Trump is the enemy and re then that's, now gone into Republicans are the enemy it's

Gene:

And that's a problem for the Democrats because they've allowed themselves to be lulled into a trap. Maybe this was the whole Q Anon thing to begin with.

Darren:

Ooh.

Gene:

they've allowed themselves to be lulled into a trap of talking about internal enemies. And the problem with talking about internal enemies is that you're effectively reducing the amount of people that are supporting you by half. Like you're turning half the country into the enemy. If you have an external enemy and use the right rhetoric, you can have one nearly, maybe not the whole a hundred percent of the country, but damn near the whole the whole country standing behind. And even if you have horrible domestic policies, if you have some victories abroad in your fight against the external enemy, then even people who don't really like what you're doing in the country will like what you're doing outside fighting the enemy,

Darren:

Well, and a lot of people don't remember, or weren't around 20 years ago for nine 11, because George Bush, the younger was not really a popular president. He was

Gene:

barely elected. He was barely elected.

Darren:

Yeah. We go back to Florida and the Chad, the hanging CHADS, and there was a lot of strife. There was a lot of internal fighting. He was not seen as a strong leader And I'm not saying everything he did in response to nine 11 was right. But what ended up happening at least in the short term was the country unified in a way that it hadn't

Gene:

And I think this is how the idea of creating nine 11 was justified. If it was, I have no idea if it was or not, but if we play conspiracy theorists here for a sec, I think this was the rationalization is we have to give people a common enemy. Here are our options. Here's some guy in Africa, some guy in the far east and And here's a guy that has been wanting to blow up a building in New York for a while named Osama bin Laden. Let's look at the pros and cons, which one of these would make the best enemy.

Darren:

Right. And what dominoes will fall in the face of this?

Gene:

Yeah. And I'm sure there were a lot of conversation. We know this because there were people that were Saudi, Saudi Arabians in the U S right before nine 11 and their planes were the only ones. If you remember, that were allowed to fly immediately after nine 11 were planes bringing Saturday Arabian citizens back to Saudi Arabia,

Darren:

It was a little busy.

Gene:

that those were the only flights allowed to fly anywhere in the United States. So they were flights out of Texas, out of Houston, and there were flights out of Virginia. They were flights out of New York.

Darren:

And then what you had was Bush the younger about,

Gene:

You don't want to just call them w

Darren:

w we could do that. I met him. He seemed like an okay guy. I at that

Gene:

I bet Obama or not Obama I've met what's his face bill. I've never met Bush.

Darren:

you meant Clinton. You didn't ask any Lewinsky questions. I'm sure.

Gene:

I did not. No. That was pre Lewinsky clean.

Darren:

Hell. We'll see. That was easier than that was easier. Bush, I just asked, baseball was in bad shape, then I'm like, you could be a good commissioner and he just laughed. He's like, why would I want that headache? And I'm like, okay, I can't argue with that

Gene:

That's

Darren:

It was at a, it was at a book signing, but immediately he was on the ground in New York and that really rallied people together. And then he threw out the first pitch of the Yankee game about a week later while wearing like a hundred pounds of a Bulletproof vest and instill through a strike, which is something I didn't, I don't know if he could get it off the mound.

Gene:

Well, Obama certainly couldn't

Darren:

but I know in Obama pretended to be a baseball fan, it's come on.

Gene:

Ababa never played sports.

Darren:

But

Gene:

not black.

Darren:

Bush, all of a sudden. Just took on a whole new persona and he really isn't a conservative, but he was very much involved with things going on in Afghanistan. And of course, the statement that he and his wife put out, whereabouts, how sad they are at the turn of events of what's going on. But

Gene:

I think Bush was the person perfect person for Rumsfeld and the rest of the gang there to utilize for this. So if you wanted somebody that would play along, but you didn't even really have to tell them. The details. You just needed somebody that acted predictably in such a situation. I don't think they could have done better than Bush.

Darren:

no, I think he played his part. I think it is interesting when you look at the polling between now and 20 years ago on race relations is that 20 years ago they were good. And now they're bad, which is weird. And we've covered that a lot. And there is a lot of things going on now to create division within the United States. And there's all sorts of, you want to talk about conspiracies, you can go on for hours about why this would be done, but you know, we are, maybe we need another we need another national enemy because then everybody forgets. It's one of those things it's like, No. It's like this thing with Ryan, we had our argument, but I'm like, if we were in a bar and somebody took a swing at ya, I would have broken a chair over the guy's head, but then I would have ran hell, of course. But you know, I would have had your back for the moment before I got the hell

Gene:

yeah. But you would the band, the guy from the bar, that's all Ryan was asking, just ban them from the bar. I don't want to have them get hit hitting me. And you're like, well, it's not really fair to ban them from the bar.

Darren:

Not my bar.

Gene:

well, it it was your bar, but you still didn't want to ban it. Well, it's not your body. You're right. You're right. It's not your bar. It's somebody else's bar that you have keys to.

Darren:

Yes.

Gene:

And then you have a history of banning other people like me, but.

Darren:

You deserved it

Gene:

There you go, the truth comes out. He no longer denies it. I got PERMA banned for just being a nice guy.

Darren:

In the troll room earlier today. I did kick the biggest asshole ever to be in the troll room. So I will admit that I kicked myself and it works. It will kick me out. I can kick me out and I had to wait the 60 seconds to come back in. I was just joshing around with sir, Matt, you. And I said something to him funny. And he's like, how dare you? So I kicked myself and I learned my lesson, which is good. But we need a new national enemy that would bring everything back into food. Forget all of this black versus white, forget all of this Democrat versus Republican, forget all this, LGBTQ and all this crazy stuff that

Gene:

So let me ask you a question then, given where I've steered the conversation, do you think it may be convenient that the Taliban is now seen as this evil force that's taken over Afghanistan?

Darren:

Oh, of course. It could be. It could be. And that may be what, this is all setting up, which is, did we really leave Afghanistan? or are we just setting this up? So, We can make another run. I would be worried at this point for everybody near the,

Gene:

We don't even need to make a run that we just need to use them as diversion to get people to start hating them instead of quibbling internally. And then ultimately the Biden's ration can just literally do nothing until people just keep asking almost for we should go into Afghanistan and rescue those poor people, just look at the women and the children and all the non white men in there. It's like a, it could be used as a way to not just change the conversation and not just have an external enemy, but to essentially go in there, not, and then not explain to people why you're going in there, but wait until there's enough phone up, up uproar and a cry out from the populace as it were to go rescue those poor people who are clearly being whatever they're being treated poorly, whatever the phrase you wanna use.

Darren:

Yes. And you're going to see it because of social

Gene:

It's a wag the dog scenario, right? So you're basically creating something. That'll make good television.

Darren:

It will, and it could work and all you need then is another, I guess you don't even need it, but do you have another, any attack or on American soil where there's another terrorist thing going on? It's going to be interesting to watch because there is a script this the Afghanistan thing doesn't seem right. It doesn't really sit right with what's going on. And maybe this is another thing that is just a bigger part of, something we don't quite see the full picture yet. No, this is why people come here for this kind of analysis and they should be listening to surging and speaks because you break this kind of stuff down and then they can listen at three times the speed. And I noticed, it seems like almost nobody is subscribed over there. So I don't know. I'm just going to try to convince

Gene:

No it's a very elitist podcast. There's just a very select group of people that

Darren:

You mean the host is elitist.

Gene:

they no comment that I'm smaller group of people that want to stay on the very bleeding edge of analysis of this world. I get it. It's not for everybody, for a lot of people, if you listen to it, you're just going to scratch your head and say my IQ is just not where it needs to be. So.

Darren:

Wait, so you're thinking we should have a intelligence test for people to be able to subscribe to surging speaks.

Gene:

Oh, well, that, that test is built in. That literally happens as you're listening. And especially if you're listening to three X,

Darren:

And if you don't pass the test, then all of a sudden it just deletes itself

Gene:

if you don't pass a test and it forces you to push the button that says delete yes. Yeah, I don't get it. This is not for me. You're correct. That is not for you.

Darren:

Some injury and candidate kind of a thing. Are you, is there do you. have sleeper cell gene? Should there be something we're worried about here?

Gene:

I don't even know what that means. I couldn't even imagine answering a question about something. I don't understand what you're asking.

Darren:

Good. Good. That's good. We do have a couple experts to thank, and we do work on the value for value model. This show, which may or may not still be grumpy old Benz and coming in from a no agenda night, which I think is absolutely fantastic. This is the first time

Gene:

somebody has got money. Okay. That's good to know.

Darren:

I've received any kind of correspondence with the ceiling wax and the from the signet ring of the round table. This comes from M Andrew Jones with a 33 33 and he sent a little card in to sir Bemrose and Darren O'Neil. I wrote a most excellent book. He knows how to do the marketing aspect. It's a most excellent book. He wrote if he said so himself,

Gene:

yeah.

Darren:

which I'll let them get away with that. He's if you like it, well, you helped me push it to our fellow slaves. Of course. I haven't read it yet, but of course we'll help you push to it's called metal, which is a, it's a little paperback and little fun read. It looks like. And it has that kind of a black cover that very in the font, that's very much ACDC and it's a fiction. So a little, a fun read. It looks and he has a website M Andrew Jones. So just M

Gene:

it about Andrew?

Darren:

it's looks like it's some kind of. Behind the scenes relationship and of a Let's

Gene:

Let's read the blurb.

Darren:

Metal. I can roll story of assorted obsession and cold, hard cash

Gene:

That sounds like it's right up your alley. I'm sure it's a great book. I'm not going to read it, but I think you should.

Darren:

and then do a book review.

Gene:

Yeah. Well, you could probably do a book review without reading it. Let's be honest. Most book reviews are done without reading the book.

Darren:

That's true. And he did donate to no agenda yesterday. And Adam was asking John if he had a blurb and John's no, he didn't ask me out, had done one. So see, next time anybody's writing a book. If you're a no agenda community, a producer, if you're a night, go to JCD, he'll give you a blurb. He won't read the book, but he will give you a blow. And that may be helpful for you. It says, keep on ranting. Thanks for your courage. And if Ryan wants his own copy, I will give Ryan the information on

Gene:

Give Ryan his own copy. He will definitely read that better yet. If you've got an audio book version, he will totally listen to it.

Darren:

that see, for me, that would be better because my vision sucks. So we need audio

Gene:

Right, right, right. Well, you could listen to it on Texas speech Kindle.

Darren:

well, it's a paper book that he sent otherwise I would agree

Gene:

does he not have a, he's got to have a Kindle version who does a paper book these days?

Darren:

he did which.

Gene:

Well, I do as well. I've got several books out there, but it doesn't mean that people should be reading them. Then I read the Kindle version.

Darren:

The, my wife always says she reads things and I'm always like, no, you listen to things it's slightly different. And I think it does go into your brain a little bit differently from reading text.

Gene:

It's faster. That's the key thing for me is I found that my reading speed is substantially slower than my listening speed. I can listen to three X, just fine. I can't read a three X,

Darren:

But do you not find your mind wandering a little more during the

Gene:

not at three exited.

Darren:

I guess you're right. I noticed that because I've tried since you have your little crazy thing that everybody should listen to your show at 1.25 or whatever, I've never done this. So I've been testing this a little bit and I've realized that if the app is good at what it's doing, it is still quite understandable up to about three times.

Gene:

it is. And that, but here's the thing, a warning I will give, do not listen and anything above one and a half speed if you're driving because your brain will know, and it's all totally serious because your brain needs a certain amount of processing power to actually drive the car. And as you crank up the speed, you start focusing more on the audio and leaving less and less processing power for everything else. So if you're at home doing whatever, go ahead and listen to it at high speed. But if you're driving like one, the quarter, one and a half max,

Darren:

Otherwise your CPU maxes out.

Gene:

otherwise you're going to end up in somebody's, rear end and their bumper sticking out of your car. And it's not going to be pretty.

Darren:

there'll be telling I was listening to certain gene at four times. The speed, the humanity.

Gene:

Yeah. Although finish the episode. Nice and quick that way. So there's a pro.

Darren:

Yeah, that's true.

Gene:

Yeah, but I dunno. I think there is a big difference. And like I've heard people that are really fast talkers and not just auction guys, but, people that have specialized in speaking fast, but

Darren:

we do like the Ben Shapiro's

Gene:

way faster than Ben, like Ben is a fast on the average side of speaking, but there are people that like actually practice fast stalking and they can speak at the 200 words a minute, which is crazy high, but they're harder to understand than a computer accelerated version of normal speech because humans are not made to change, what their vocal cords are doing at this speed. So I think there is a natural limit to the speed of vocal communication from a creation standpoint. And that speed is lower than the speed of listening to vocal communication.

Darren:

That makes sense.

Gene:

then the writing was invented way after speech. So we're way slower writing and reading. And again, some people, breed the shit done in practice and they can read a lot faster, like speed reading, where they read the whole damn page at once. I've tried all those things. And I maybe see a slight increase at the speed that I can read, but in general,

Darren:

Nobody can really comprehend.

Gene:

yeah, I was like, ah, I dunno, I. If you're just, you can definitely speed read, but the impression that you'll have after speed reading is equivalent to CliffsNotes. In my experience, I'm going to qualify that in my experience, if I speed read a book or even just a chapter of a book, I've got roughly a CliffsNotes notes, understanding of what happened. I couldn't tell you all the names of all the characters. I can tell you what the plot line was. I can tell you if something major happened, but I'm not going to have all the nuances. If I normal read or listen to an audio book, then I'll have a much better comprehension of exactly what happened.

Darren:

Yes, much more in the details of what actually went in

Gene:

Yeah.

Darren:

on in the story that would make sense.

Gene:

So I think people should experiment with it. They should play around with different speeds, see where their preference lies. And I know for me if I'm watching a YouTube video, I'll usually do it at one of the quarter speed or one and a half. If I'm listening to an audio book, I'll do it at two X minimum. If I'm listening to podcasts, it depends on the podcast, but most of them are running at about 1.75 to 2.25.

Darren:

And Adam Curry, the pod father would tell you why you're wrong. That we paced things as professional podcasters, such a way in you're ruining it all.

Gene:

Yeah. And it's I've had the conversations believe me in person with that stuff. And the compromise that he got me to make was instead of me, pre-exam narrating the speech in my podcast to just put up a warning label that says you should be listening at least 1.25. And yeah I'll, like I said, that was the compromise and I and cause his threat was like, don't ever speed me up or I'll never do your podcast. And I said okay, I'm going to put it back to normal speed. And I will just, let people make up their own minds. And then he proceeded to not do my podcast. I'm like,

Darren:

Yeah. Maybe he's teaching you a lesson, Jean

Gene:

me. And his re every time I asked him about this. So what's the deal hurry. And he's oh I'll be on your podcast. When I have something to say,

Darren:

he's on everybody

Gene:

I know, right. He's literally doing everybody else, but he though, no, he doesn't have time to do mine. Thanks Adam.

Darren:

I get it. There are a few other experts to thank including and Rundle who comes in with 10 bucks with a note saying I'm going to Ms. Ryan and his rants, but I don't dig the I'm taking my ball and going home vibe. So supporting you, Darren with whatever you do going forward. As I said at the start of the show, hopefully things will work out with w what's going on with Ryan and we can move forward with that. But I appreciate the support, cause I'm going to keep talking. And doing stuff with Serjean with Larry, we have that new show coming out, which is going to be called planet rage. We

Gene:

Yeah. So what, that's all about rock music, right?

Darren:

No, it's not about rock music. That should be another show I've talked to Fletcher about doing maybe a show about music. Cause he's really into music and I

Gene:

well, he's got a voice too,

Darren:

Oh, I know. Even people say that Larry and I have great voices and they leave Fletcher out of the conversation because you know him mainly from, the screaming that he does, but

Gene:

but by the way, having a good radio voice, isn't just having a lot of bass in your voice. That is a common misnomer that people have Ooh,

Darren:

that with a lot of microphones.

Gene:

well, you can do that with a microphone, but there are plenty of people that have a lot of bass in their voice that I would not want to listen to. And not just for content, but just because they don't know how to use that voice. So having a good radio voice is a, is a compliment to people that have either trained or just stumbled upon the proper usage of their voice combined with good.

Darren:

Well, yeah, a lot of it is just listening to yourself afterwards and realizing that when you're doing a performance that you need a little more oomph behind it. You want to enunciate a little bit more. You want to have more energy. Unless you're going for the MPR thing, because that's easy enough to do with it. Hi, Jean, how are you doing today? That's

Gene:

I'm glad to be on. Thanks for inviting me.

Darren:

yes. And this is where also people would be slamming their car into something ahead of them. If they had to had to listen to that.

Gene:

See, I much prefer that, honestly, that is my favorite style. And I've done that several podcasts in that style. The problem is there's so much harder to edit because when you're speaking right in the mic, low volume, like this, the variance that you have, the deal is much greater and you have to like flat line everything. There's a lot more opportunity for hearing imperfections versus if you're just talking like this, as most podcasters tend to, and guys on the radio, it's really easier to edit because a lot of those little bumps in the road, people just don't pick up on it.

Darren:

yes, it's easier to edit and pull stuff out. Our buddy, sir, Omaha says, Jean is a tough, listen. I zone out from his tone. So he doesn't like your tone gene.

Gene:

Yeah. Well, as I said previously, we do have a self-selected elite ism factor in the podcast. So yeah, clearly he is not one of the listeners.

Darren:

If you listen to gene though, at two times speed, he sounds beautiful that's the

Gene:

Yeah. Give it a try. Give it a try. Maybe you'll self-select back in.

Darren:

I told Ryan when we were talking about some of this stuff and going back and forth about formats and, was the show getting a little too muddled between politics and tack and is this really an audience that you could grow? And people enjoy both sides of that. And there were a lot of good questions and I just made the comment that, overall, I thought that grumpy old Benz was a, it may not have a huge audience, but I thought it was a solid enough concept that I said, I believed that grumpy, old Benz could continue on without both of us. I think it's an easy enough, if you're looking at a

Gene:

Well, yeah, you guys just knocked off cranky geeks anyway, so yeah, I'd say, could go.

Darren:

That was the concept and Ryan's response to that was yeah, But not everybody could do that. And I said, well, imagine we turn this over to John in CSB and that got him, I think, laugh. Just imagine I'm like, wouldn't you listen to that show JCD and CSB talking about tech and politics. I would tune in to every episode at that point,

Gene:

yeah, two guys that think they, they know better.

Darren:

The Slovak brothers, although the CSB includes you in that too. So,

Gene:

He does all the time. I know. I know. It's really funny. Yeah my my slow bro, it's yeah, I guess theoretically. Sure. Why not? And I don't mind. But it is like that term is extremely east European outside of Russia. So in Russia, nobody would say you're, you're a slow ag because you're Russian and that, that holds a higher level of meaning. Whereas in Poland, in I, these other border, I don't know a lot via is Tonia and Belarusians and all these places. And I'm sure somebody just got offended at me for including all of those in one list because they all hate each other. But there seems to be more of a tendency to think of themselves beyond the name of their country. And more in their ethnicity and the ethnicity isn't white, the ethnicity is, are you Germanic or are you Slovak or whatever. In Russia, I definitely did not see that. Like people either Russian or like foreigners and people, he didn't really give a shit about. So that was one, one or the other not a whole lot of ethnic. Don't get me wrong. Russians were, as a general rule, actually still are extremely racist. The jokes, the little slang sayings and everything I'm American would be shocked if they heard people talking on the streets, they would consider Russians to be insanely racist. But you could also have that same exact experience in China and that same exact experience in Japan and a lot of other places where they consider their culture and their country to be superior to others. It's pretty common that people, would use racist type terminology. The us is clearly the most sensitive place in the world when it comes to.

Darren:

Well, woke ism is alive and well, but the interesting thing is most of the people that would consider themselves ultra woke don't hate people because of their race, but they really hate people based on their politics. So is that really any better than, I, I don't know. I see that's a downfall.

Gene:

Speaking of Oak, there've been a few people posting on those on social about how their companies are looking at requiring every employee to get a better Maxine where they're implementing policies that these people don't like. And I wanted, so keep in mind, this is as of the time of the recording of this episode of the podcast the podcast formerly known as as gab now as symbol. But right now I am looking for one of my clients for a head of technology G person, and it's essentially somebody that's going to be managing a group of developers and tech people should have a good understanding of from a hands-on perspective of web based development. So don't, it doesn't need any iOS or Android or any other platforms, but certainly like HP and related web technologies. And as a hundred percent remote position, Pays somewhere around a hundred and seventy five hundred eighty K. So if anybody's looking for a job, reach out to me, gene, answer gene.com and I can hook you up with the full job description. A few people that have gotten there already have said, this is like beyond the level of where they are which is fine, but I'm obviously searching on LinkedIn, searching in other places, but I'd love to help a fellow, no agenda person land the nice gig like this. If if they have the right skillset,

Darren:

Yeah, sounds good. And we have a few other experts to thank, including Stevie coming in with 10 bucks. Tim ratter coming in with three 30 and our buddy Jeremy Gurtis with the stream. 33 cent checks, which I love. He's got different memos on the 33 cent checks. Like this one says streaming checks. This one says, pod ping stats.com. This one said equal 783 Satoshis this one says monthly Netflix subscription. So he's having fun. I don't know

Gene:

that's creative.

Darren:

if he's randomly pulling this stuff in, but his bank is allowing him or his credit union in this case to stream us 33 cents a day via paper checks, which Is a beautiful thing

Gene:

hilarious.

Darren:

when it all comes down to it. Yeah. When you think about

Gene:

postage costs more than that?

Darren:

Multiple checks do come in one envelope, but yes, that? postage is still probably prohibitive when it comes down to what's going

Gene:

Well, the irony is, all you got to do is take a photo of that, check on your phone to deposit it. So it's like why?

Darren:

Which is what we do. That is the, who goes to the bank anymore. You just sign it

Gene:

Well, last time I went to the bank they made me wait outside the bank because I wasn't wearing a mask and I wasn't about to wear a mask and I didn't have a vaccine thing. And I'm like, well, you guys figure it out. My money's in there. So you tell me what, how you'd like to service my needs as a customer.

Darren:

And they made you install their app. And you can do all this at home dude,

Gene:

yeah, well, there's, I needed a what do you call it? The one of those people that signs documents saying that

Darren:

Notary

Gene:

not a Republic. Yeah, exactly. And eventually they, the nerdery came out and did our thing and apologized to me and then went back in. I was like, yeah, I don't care. That's fine. If I gotta wait a little longer, that's all right. But there's, I'm not going to do the pretend theater stuff.

Darren:

You are a dangerous man, gene nev to

Gene:

a dangerous man. Absolutely.

Darren:

but thanks to everybody for supporting the show, formerly known as grumpy old bands, maybe someday again, grumpy old bands, but you can go to grumpy old benz.com/donate. We work on the value for value model. Like all of our shows do, which means if you got some value out of the show, it's up to you to put a number on it and get that value back to us in any way, shape or form that you want to be creative, piss off your bank, do whatever you want to do, whatever feels good. And we appreciate everybody for listening as well.

Gene:

Yeah. And thanks for co-hosting a surgeon speaks, right?

Darren:

I know we keep giving you more content because surgery, we got surgeon speaks, used to be on like 15 episodes a week, and then It went dark for a while. And

Gene:

The average is probably still two week. They average, but you know,

Darren:

but now we want more. We want more of the surgeon

Gene:

people are demanding it. What can I do?

Darren:

Yes, it's the elitist group of people that are demanding it, and it's much like I just did a, the majority of my random thought show this week on a study that came out of Yale because for the longest time the social media companies were saying, no, we just allow people to have conversations. We're not steering them in any way, shape or form that were just the public square. So you can't blame us for the content. We're just, we're not publishers, which is where the whole section two 30 comes in. And this Yale study found quite differently that the way the social media sites work, because it's not just gene posts the message and people read it. You have the mechanism that the social media ads on Facebook at likes on Twitter, it's a retweet or a like, or, share mastered on the same thing. All these social media sites have ways built in. To show the people posting the stuff that you like or agree or want to promote what they said. And they found that these particular elements were very responsible for driving more extreme views because people that post that all of a sudden get a ton of likes, who don't normally get likes. Now, if you just posted something a little bit more on the, crazy end or whatever it is, conspiracy theory, whatever dangerous speech that, whatever it is that you post and you got a reaction you're going to start posting more because people like that, dopamine hit. And I thought it was interesting that you can actually point to the way they do business as part of the problem.

Gene:

Well, they've tapped into obviously. A way to increase their engagement. So it makes sense.

Darren:

Well, yes, that's all it's about is keeping people engaged. It's not about making the experience better for you. It's just about getting you to keep coming back. Which I mean, okay, granted, we're doing that here. You do that on sir. Gene, you hope that the stuff you put out there keeps people coming back and keeps them engaged and wanting more.

Gene:

Honestly, I don't really care. I'm doing it just because my friends are sick and tired of hearing me speak. And so they've said, look, why don't you just like record yourself speaking or something, because then I don't have to listen to you when I'm on the phone, which is why I started doing, sir. Gene speaks. So it, it's neat looking at stats, right? If there's for example, one of the stats where the episode that I did with Bemrose had more listeners in the episode I did with you. But if

Darren:

because you and I had already done an episode on grumpy old bands, which was

Gene:

oh, no that, that was the episode I'm referring to.

Darren:

No, there's no way the sir, gene one had more than that. There were thousands of downloads on the one you did with the first grumpy old Benz.

Gene:

No. Oh yes, no, you're correct. No, I'm saying the episode on sir, gene that I did with you got slightly fewer downloads than the episode that I did with Bemrose Sydney. But you're correct. Cause I that's. Right. So they were sick and tired of it and they didn't need to hear it again.

Darren:

Yes. Which is why I keep bringing you

Gene:

That's why I'm on here again.

Darren:

to keep punishing the trolls

Gene:

see, that seems like a better reason for doing this. It's really punishment.

Darren:

So, so you'll be back next Friday to punish them a little bit more.

Gene:

Oh yeah. I think it's fun. I like having somebody else to to host my podcast. So I'm totally going to be here.

Darren:

I know we're free labor Jean. You really should cut me in on some of that hundreds of thousands of dollars. You're talking

Gene:

It's on Bitcoin though. And I know how much you like Bitcoin not,

Darren:

Did you see you say that, but it's not true. I like

Gene:

time I talked, well, I don't know about that. Cause when I talked to Adam, he explicitly told me that if there's one person that really hates crypto it's Darren.

Darren:

No, I've got tons of, okay. Not tons, but I have enough car Dano, which I'm enjoying the jump that it's made over the past week or so.

Gene:

Now what kind of dog is Kadana I'm not familiar with that dog.

Darren:

it is one of the guys that had started a theory from started Cardona. It is a it's a, not a proof of work thing. It's a it's the other, now I'm blanking on what it's called, but it is adding all the smart contracts and all this kind of stuff as a hard fork, that's coming in September. And it was one that void zero way back when, and the minute it hit Coinbase. Cause I'm not a professional crypto person. I don't know much about crypto, but void way back when said yeah, if I was going to speculate on anything, it would be Cardona and polka dot. So when Cardona popped up on Coinbase, it was about a buck. And we were talking about this on grumpy old bags. Cause this only happened six, seven months ago. It seems it was about a buck. And now it's up to two 50. It's been it's a nice little surge. It's not exactly. Tens of thousands of dollars, but it's a proof of stake. Yes.

Gene:

sold your house and put all the money into then.

Darren:

No, I'm not an idiot. No, I've taken the I've taken all of the crypto donations that have come in or grumpy will Benz gave Bemrose his half and I left everything else in crypto now. So I've never really pulled anything out. I took All the Bitcoin and Ethereum that has come in and pretty much converted that to the car Dano, which was a smart move. It appears, although, Bitcoin still goes up and down quite regularly, but the car donno, I think if it could be something to compete with a theory I just figured it's a theory of the more you can have that at this at a buck, if this could even go up to, 20 bucks, which isn't crazy when it comes down to what a lot of these crypto's were doing, then it would be a nice return. And if the reality is, if it all went to hell, it's basically a, you know what, the cost that was put into this. I think I added like a grand, but it was like a nice vacation, a couple thousand dollars in the crypto and just let it sit there. And if you lose it, it's like Vegas. I would not be one of these crazy people. Although, it comes down if if you sold your house and put every penny you had into it, when it was a dollar and now it's three bucks, then you look like a genius, but I'm not that brave because I also know

Gene:

You're not pulling a max Geyser here.

Darren:

No, because I'm too afraid. If you put a buck in, at a buck, then it could drop down to a penny and then you're left with nothing.

Gene:

Yeah. Well, one of them bit going basically dropped by half and the downturn last few months, that was definitely. Not fun to watch. It's like I have more sense, but less value. Okay.

Darren:

yes. Yeah. And it was quit. This stuff happens so fast.

Gene:

Well, and then it's gone up and down since then, and it's not quite as bottom at this point. It's recovered some, but for a while there, it looked like Bitcoin was like every day you check the price and it was like another thousand dollars higher.

Darren:

Yeah. And a bacon dude absolutely writes as buy crypto with your spare change, don't make a lifestyle change. That's his motto. And that is exactly, where I'm looking at this. It's it's a, it's something to speculate in. But if the crypto markets crash, then it's going to be like, oh, like what happens every time I've gone to Vegas, which I've never come back from Vegas with more money than I left. It could happen at some point it would be nice, but you know, Okay, So I drop 500 bucks in the week or a thousand, whatever it may be. And then that was your entertainment and. That's what Bitcoin is. That's what all these cryptos are to me. I do believe that one of them will end up shaking out and being the winner. I don't know if that's Bitcoin or not. I think it's probably going to be around, but I think there's a lot more money to be made in the coins like Cardona. Although I think lately, now Cardona has moved up to number three, as far as the overall market cap on it. So, it's not just the little coin that can anymore. It's one that actually might have a chance of jumping, but it's why it's fun to watch. And I'll come to you for some crypto advice, Jean, and then when w when it all goes horribly wrong, at least I

Gene:

you're going to be worse off if you do.

Darren:

So we're okay with, if I ask you what to do with the crypto and then do.

Gene:

I'm a late comer to crypto. I've made fun of it for many years. Adam and I have had these conversations years and years ago, and I was just sitting there nodding my head when he was making fun of it as well and saying, oh my God, it's insane. People are so stupid buying this shit. And plenty of stupid people made a lot of money.

Darren:

Yes. Tons of money. There was just, I saw an article about a Dutch family that now has four hardware wallets hidden around the world that they've split up their crypto in that, when I think it was when Bitcoin was at $7,000 or seven, maybe no, actually it might've been like $900. When it was about that point, they put everything they had into it. And

Gene:

I remember there was an article probably 20 10, 20 11 of some family in California that has sold their house and moved into a camper and spend the money on buying Bitcoin back when it was like a buck 50.

Darren:

the whole nice.

Gene:

you wonder did they manage to hold off on pulling that money out and still have it? Or did they pull it out when it hit like 5,000? They were rich.

Darren:

Yes. And you wonder, because that's, like with the car Dano stuff, it's ah, that's why I don't want to play the game. I know a lot of people make some really good money playing the game because, one thing almost for certain with crypto, no matter which one it is that there are going to be daily swings from high to low that's. It's very rare that you don't have a decent swing at least over a couple of days. And there are people that are really good at being able to anticipate the top, sell it off, wait for it, to get back to the, bottom again and then buy back in. I just

Gene:

Those are the professionals. Yeah. Those are people that actually make money coming in and going.

Darren:

Yes. And if you could do that, let me know how, because I'd love to do nothing, but sit around all day and just press a few buttons and make a lot of cans. But I'm a podcaster, so

Gene:

Adam tried that for a while. I remember when he was big into doing day trading and he's showing me his whole system and he's got the multi monitors running all kinds of different graphs and charts on there. And I'm like, dude, how do you even have time to do this aside from collecting all the data for no agenda. And and then I think shortly thereafter, he got divorced. So I don't know if there's any connection. Yeah. But but it seemed like it's gonna take a full-time jobs worth of concentration do day trading and I, and whether it's stock day trading or whether it's, crypto date training, I think the process is going to be fairly similar and it's analyzing trends and then making buys and sells based on that, that, and no matter what somebody tells you, just downloading an algorithm, that'll do it for you. Is that not going to work? It's not going to give you the same kind of return as people that are doing for real

Darren:

right. Because otherwise all the script kitties will be rich.

Gene:

Exactly. And forever you, everyone that thanks. Oh yeah, this is totally working. Look, I made I doubled my money in three weeks. There's somebody else saying, God dammit. I just lost half my money in two weeks.

Darren:

Yes. Well, Yeah. that money, Hey, the money you're making has to come from somebody. Right. Although I'm not sure that's really the case with

Gene:

Well, there are miners. Yes, there are. It is mate. Well, I'll tell you it's really money paid to electric companies that's being converted to crypto.

Darren:

true. True. And we should just, we need to own an electric company.

Gene:

Well, there's a lot of reasons for that maybe by a windmill.

Darren:

No, that, no, we talked about that, that, that creates problems with the environment, but we can get

Gene:

Yeah. Yeah. And that's a reminder actually for anyone that's still remembers that topic. Keep sending me the emails to Jean and Serjean that GAM, I've had a few people that have sent me interesting articles and stuff. I've talked to one guy that knows the windmill industry very well, and he promised that as soon as he quits his job, he'll come on and talk about it.

Darren:

Ooh. So there's a dirty underbelly,

Gene:

trying to get them to, either get fired or quit his job so he can come on the show.

Darren:

You'd be the content. But have you found, anybody sent me things that you're like, oh, this is proving your theory because I thought that was a hell of it.

Gene:

Yeah. I it's, no, one's quite gone to that level of extent then we had, I think somebody, I can't remember who on the knowledge and the social that like did the basic calculation saying, well, of all the sunlight hitting. And this is the amount of energy that translates into. And these windmills are like 0.0, zero, zero, 2% or whatever, or these solar panels are representing 0.0, zero 2%. So it's all inconsequential. Okay, well, fair enough. And as soon as we no longer think that the butterfly effect exists, as it relates to the to weather, which is, I think the main thing that it relates to as soon as we agree that is not the case with weather, then I'll agree with you as well, that a small change somewhere will not lead to massive changes elsewhere. But the equations right now for modeling weather patterns are exactly that they have very small change, has massive effects on the output.

Darren:

Right through to the same people like, oh, carbon, it's going to the third of a degree, but then they don't want to believe it's weird. It's all

Gene:

Well, it is a religion and again, part of well there's two, one of my arguments is that, and I've think I've uploaded, or at least posted links to the, some of the charts. The average temperature of the planet was substantially warmer than we are right now. We are still in a below average zone. As far as climate goes on earth as a whole throughout the history of the earth. The other thing is. I'm not sure that I'm on the side of the humans here in the long run. Is there are plenty of other species that can take over for us and maybe do a better job.

Darren:

Like you said, We need an external force to fight. Gene

Gene:

We sure do.

Darren:

could be aliens, but we'll follow up on that until next Friday. If you want to hear more from gene, it's hard to believe you do. but if you want to hear more from gene, it is a sir gene.com. It's like podcast.sergio.com. Because if you just go to cert gene.com, I think it gives you a blank

Gene:

Yeah. There's not even the 4 0 4 that see, this is the level of elite ism that I go to

Darren:

I believe

Gene:

that you literally have to type out podcast dot sirgene.com to be able to get to the podcast. Otherwise it's well, I'm sorry you failed the test.

Darren:

right? You're at like, sir gene.com. It's a blank page. You're like, I don't understand. He must've quit. He must not be

Gene:

He must have quit. Exactly. If that's that demonstrates your level of commitment. Well, I just don't want you.

Darren:

So podcast.sirgene.com or just go into your favorite podcast app and search for sir gene, which I think is at one word though,

Gene:

only one surgeon in the entire catalog.

Darren:

Well, see, there's also an opening for anybody else named Jean

Gene:

Hey. Hey. Hey. Hey, don't be giving people any idea.

Darren:

They could just totally dilute your brand man.

Gene:

God. And then just think of the most horrible thing that could happen. They might start growing their audience. And some of those people might start showing up to my podcast.

Darren:

And then your whole concept would be straight out the crapper.

Gene:

Yeah. I'll have to come up with more ways to exclude people.

Darren:

I like it. Well until we speak again, Jean, thanks for hanging out. Thanks for all the trolls for hanging out in the troll room alive. There was an 81 when I looked earlier. So we were, you were putting a few people to sleep, Jean, but that's okay.

Gene:

That's my job. I'll do my NPR voice. Then put more people to sleep.

Darren:

and we will definitely try that again next time. But until then, I'm Darren, O'Neill coming to you live from a bunker deep in the heart of middle America, just outside of shy rack until they drop the nukes

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