0055 Sir Gene Speaks - Host Darren O'Neill - Climate Change

It's Friday, August 13th, 2021. I am Darren. O'Neill coming to you live from a bunker deep in the heart of middle America, just outside of shy rack where people are still shooting each other. And the Rona is still raging in our mayor still sucks. And politics is really depressing, which is why we bring in surge Gene ranching for the very first time. It's a Madonna. Do a song about you, Jim. She did. Yes. I think I was six years old here. You age really well though. Thank you. Thank you. Yes, I'm 25 now. She's one of these things like a Benjamin button you're going in the opposite direction. Oh, it depends. Depends on the day of the week. Really the infamous gene of a surgeon speaks otherwise known as sir gene and everybody is probably listening to your podcasts as well. The duke of Texas. Damn. That's a, that's pretty impressive. Although there's a lot of people that are outgunning you. Oh, there's plenty. It's not about. Being the top. It's about being the first to get there. It's like climbing Everest. Yeah. There's a lot of people that have done that in there. Yeah. Yeah. And a lot of them have died doing it. So there's no way he said something interesting. Yeah. It happens. So I thought gob always stood for good old boys and I was always miffed a little bit because both of them all y'all have Canada like right next to you. And so how do these Northern vers just are calling themselves good old boys? Never really made sense to me, but now you're saying it's, it doesn't actually stand for good. No it's been suggested that it be changed to a grumpy old bands. I think that was Abel Kirby of the rare encounter podcast, because that would be grumpy all bands without the R. So you remove the are from grumpy, old bands. You get Gumpy old bands. There's been a lot of I think it was, that's just making fun of people with speech impediments. I'm not aligned with that thought at all. It was a sir Omaha earlier in the troll room that said it could be, we could just change it to grumpy or Benz. And that way I could do shows with Larry, because he's always grumpy of that Larry show. We can bring you in because you're a band we can bring other people in that are bands. So that could be, you'd never know what you're going to get in each individual show. It could just be. Or the men tech thing, but that there's this well, Hey, as long as it's not good old boys, that's all I care about. Nobody. I'm not that close to Canada. I have a buffer called Wisconsin. There's a lot of people in Wisconsin that might want literally across a small lake. Yeah, I wouldn't want to swim it. I'm sure there are larger plagues borders, Canada, cross water. I don't know what you're talking about. It could be, it's still a few miles away. It's still a border and he can't get across nigga jump in the canoe and be in Canada. I bead, I don't know what shape you think I'm in that I could canoe. I think you'd be in pretty damn good shape by the time you get out of the canal or dead one or the other, what? But but a good looking dude, buddy, right? That's true. All of the it would be a very spelt dead body in the canoe, but that'll happen. And yeah, good old boys gob can stand for a whole lot of things. And I'll say over the last few days, it's been interesting because it's been very split. There are folks like cold acid, very upset that you release anything with anything. Even looking like grumpy, old benzo. And there's just as many people on the other side in including our buddy Manischewitz, who has been a patron for awhile who came in and said, don't keep doing it, keep doing the show. So it's split. And I just kinda wanted to dump the name because it is hard to understand outside the no agenda community, which, the community it's well, it's people understand in the no agenda, what a dude named Ben is at least. So there's a, it was started as an inside joke and then it's like people, why don't you just simply trying to not get sued by John No, John loves me, although he won't come on. He wouldn't come on the show before. I haven't asked him in light of recent events, but I know he made an appearance on sir seat sitters show, which is just real limps, Chris. And he does a show called abs and a six pack and they did their 100th episode and the other day, and did an all day extravaganza started at 11 or noon went past midnight and they got John to call in. So that was a get that's pretty good. And I, of course, that's probably one way to do it is when John says when does the show running thinking, he's going to be able to say, I say, oh, starts at 8:00 AM, goes till midnight. John. We'd love to. That does make it harder to be like no lunch or dinner or something. Shit now he's committed. Yes. So that was G you never know. John Don has plenty of free time and, I understand the vibe and the feeling, although it's I've gotten again on both sides of this, if you look through and you want to make a comparison, television shows, there's people that come go from shows MCIs is one that's been running for years. Yeah. For the person that's female. Right. They're interchangeable. And then you bring in Michael stray hand and then you bring it then somebody else. And, I'm the rock and roll pre-show guy. So I'm thinking it's let's see, we got van Halen, ACTC pink, Floyd, black Sabbath sticks. Quick, change it a big time. Be like gays on boats to your show from the, from the commune between Canada and Illinois. Right. As we canoe that could actually work. We would have cell service. So that wouldn't be a problem. You could always get to the cloud. But I that was. That is your theme song. I don't see the village people. I think they were pretty solid all the way through. I don't know, although they're solid, I've always liked the village people, they may have had the, some of the people come and go for no pun intended when it comes to the village people, but luckily at the YMCA. Right. But I just saw journey set when they played Lollapalooza here in Chicago. And to be honest, it's the first time that I have experienced journey post Steve Perry. And I have to say, we're still pretty good music. So this concept that just because one person exits something that it has to be something totally different and no, I don't know. So where this will transition into, I don't know, but it's interesting that there's, I need to put up a poll or something just to see what all the experts really think. Cause I think things do change. I remember when Adam left them, they just stopped playing music. I know, it's that was the greatest meme, congratulations, 40 years of MTV and 13 years of music or whatever they played and MTV is still MTV. It's still called MTV. It's nothing like it was when it first came out. Yeah. Yeah. It's and I watched now where you did you watch MTV from day one? I remember watching that first bit. It was the radio killed, right? The video killed the radio star, right? The Buggles are right. Yup. Yup. Yup. We didn't have kids. I don't think at MTV yet. I think this was even right for the area we were in had cable TV early. We got cable in the seventies and no blueberry you're actually wrong, but everybody can think what they want. That's fine. And if you're not in the troll room, you're not having the fun. That's where the trolls hang out. That's a troll room.io, no agenda, stream.com. When when the live shows are on, that's where all of the action is happening and I've been missing them. And there's been no certain gene to listen to. And I'm like, one, I want to say that was the most hilarious thing about the grumpy Ben's war of 2021 was when Spencer of the bowl, after bowl podcast came back with Tommy with yeah, but it was okay when you ban sir Jean, like I, I think I was the first PERMA ban that was ever inflicted on somebody that totally didn't deserve it. And had been merely complimenting your show the entire time in the chat room. I think you were the first person. I know, like that's it I'm banned from every service associated with no agenda instantly with no appeal. At least one, one Facebook banned me. They told me why. There was nothing here you've been banned by Facebook. Of course, Facebook and Twitter, both wars. This is the, yeah, I guess it is. If you have any kind of a dangerous opinions that's par for the course now. And I think you were the first person that ever took a joke, one 62nd kick and turned it into a lifetime ban. You are good. You are good at that. I'm sorry. Whatever you call it these days, but that's certainly what I saw, and I was thinking about this yesterday because you wanted to test out your new rig and you're like let's make sure this works. So when we're going to go live that everything sounds good for the trolls. And what we ended up getting was about 90 minutes of bloviating there. And I was thinking about that last night. I'm like, and this is really going to be odd for most people to try to comprehend, but I did grumpy old Benz with Ryan for what about two years now? Little over two years, whatever it was. And I believe that if you just want to talk about outside of the show communication, I've talked to you longer than Ryan and that's not an exaggeration. I'm pretty sure Ryan's talk to me longer than you as well. So there you go. There is common thing or maybe it's yeah. I do not do any such thing. I guess if it makes you happy to say that word by all means, please do word people. Like it. It's also a new word. So grumpy old bloviating it all fits. Yeah. Yeah. He's still trying to work that whole angle, I guess that would make it too hard to CSB says that would make it too hard for people to find the show. And I think it was foam boy that said, this is just a IQ test for people that if they can't spell the show name, maybe you don't want them as listeners. And both sides of that have have some credence to it. Yeah. I, yeah, spelling is definitely a problem for a lot of things. Hence my show that you're currently hosting right now, isn't called Nefeli of talk it's called Serjean speaks. Cause that's easier to spell. That is true. That is true. And a blueberry, I didn't call you a liar. I said that you were incorrect and pulling out a response that I said in the trial room doesn't really change anything. If you don't know what's happening behind the scenes, what other people are saying, you don't see everything. And this is. These kinds of things that can go ahead and ban them, just bam, permanently, right? Like you did to me right. Permanently, still can't get in there. I just tried, I can't get in there. So I'm clearly permit bands. You're not a Ben. Then if you can't figure out how to get into the NRC room, it's not the IC room. You gotta be worried about the the band list is also public. So everybody can see that you're not really bad, except those of us that are shadow. That would be good. I wish I knew how to shadow PERMA van. This is like going well, maybe we should ask memos before it stopped working with them. He might know he didn't even do the chapters for the last episode. I don't understand now. I'm sorry, I'm like not getting in the middle of y'all's feud, but that was not professional. It's a it's been a very strange experience. I will go that far and I hope he's doing well today. Him and his wife, because the Seattle, I guess, is about burning down again, 95 degrees there, man. I just, I just flew back from Seattle. I was just there last week and it is it is unusually warm and they haven't had rain for two months. The grass is all brown. The trees are looking a little sick. And Austin, which like that would be typical of Austin. The middle of summer, all the grass is brown. All the trees look a little sickly and it is just absolutely green as all hell here because the Austin and I think most of the Texas, but I can only really talk for us. And here it has had rain every day for six months now, like we are the new Seattle of this point now, is this something, cause you wanted to talk about global warming, which I thought was interesting. Oh yes. You brought up, is this walking into this? Is this a, we can do global warming talk. Sure. Why not? You know why you think Austin is turning into a lush paradise while the, and I know the Seattle area does not get global warming, right? Global warming, global cooling, global change. They all exist. Right. Man-made right. The manmade portion of it, right? Because if you look at the history of the world of the, of this little blue-green Marvel that we live on it hasn't always been this color and it certainly has continuously changed for several billion years. And so change absolutely happens. We have documented proof of that pain and it's been warmer. It's been colder right now. The planet is actually still very much in a cold space. From the average temperature that the planet is bad. Most people don't realize that the average temperature of the earth right now is right around 12 degrees Celsius, which would be like 175 degrees in Fahrenheit, I think. But it's about 12 degrees Celsius cooler than the average temperature of the planet through most of its lifetime, at least the one that we're able to calculate through core sample. So if we're in the cool period, why is everybody worried about global warming? You think global warming would be a good thing? They switched it well, they did switch it because in the seventies there was absolutely concerned about global cooling. Now those people were still, I think, a little overly active imaginations and they had them, but at least they were a little closer to the right side of it. But the idea that somehow the planet is cooler than its average and needs to stay like that forever, I think is a very strange one to me, because there are many species on the planet that have died off as a result of pooling that the planet has experience. And part of the reason that primates came to the top of the rung was because the competition had been killed off by the environment. Right. So it may be a good thing to say. Now that the planet is cooled off and most of the animals can't live on the planet that I've lived on the planet. I like dinosaurs and all kinds of other critters that are cool for millions and millions of years that has resulted in the humans becoming the dominant species. But now that we are the dominant species, I don't really see anything wrong with bringing the planet back and getting, pet dinosaurs. That would be awesome. I would love that. I actually have one. I and I do have one of those already. I do have a a 17 foot snake as a pet and he's not quite a dinosaur, but he's certainly a lizard DNA. No doubt. Yeah, there's, it's not the same DNA, obviously. Otherwise he would look like a dinosaur, but there were snakes back 200 million years ago. And clearly there is DNA that has been traced down from that, but that's the side where I'm starting to change my mind about the human interaction is because there's been more and more evidence that I've been doing research, but I hinted this back about six months ago. And it's not easy research to find is most people are not doing this type of research, but one of the facts of stopping, or at least altering the path of the air currents around the place. Is is it the fact I'll localization where you end up having more spots that have more consistent weather patterns? So you, instead of having your normal sort of, spring, summer, winter weather, where every year is exactly the same you end up with areas that are less effected by the yearly weather changes, and they tend to have a more extreme version of that temperature. So you can have cold spots where, or, several years, potentially decades or hundreds of years, you have an area that is disproportionately, beginning, colder and colder. And you have hotspots that are disproportionately becoming warmer and warmer. And the reason for that is that the biggest factor in temperature that places around the world see is the wind that we have that shifts cold and hot. It essentially moves the heat around. So instead of having the earth get really hot during the day and then get really cold at night, winds will bring cooler air in to cool that daily hot time temperatures down and right. The they'll bring in a warmth from places that are still warm at night to make the nighttime, not as a extreme factor having a wind blowing and really moving the atmosphere around and castling mixing different temperatures. And I'm sure anybody has seen a weather map on TV as seen these different cold fronts, warm fronts moving around the jet stream. Yeah the jet stream, I think, is unique in that it generally goes in one direction, so it's very predictable. And if you fly through it, you can actually utilize the jet stream to save fuel. Depending on the direction you're going, obviously, but jet stream aside, just these various add there's a word I'm forgetting, but essentially the mixing of the atmosphere that we have balances the temperature, so that there's a much smaller range of optic gold happening. And the thought experiment is what would happen. And we can change the thought experiment or computer experiment into simulation. What would happen if you were to start blocking wind and therefore not letting the the warm areas like that are desert in some way. That is warming up the air around it, not letting that warm air move away from there. And then the same thing with colder areas where maybe you're on the dark side near the north pole or south pole, whichever one is currently experiencing darkness. And again, you're not letting warm air sweep through there and mingle with the cold air and you start having much higher separation between Mormon and cold. And it occurred to me that we're doing this experiment in the real life right now, certainly in Texas, we are. And even people that don't live here will have probably heard of the power outage that Texas had last winter. Yeah. Has a prepper test week in the local prepper community. Yes. That was when everybody got to test everything out that they've accumulated for many years that had the cold blooded pets. Like you, you didn't have a fun time. That was not good. Yeah. So having reptiles, having animals that don't generate their own heat when the temperature outside is freezing and there is no electricity in the house is not fun. It definitely forces you to think out of the box and be a little more prepper ish. So you haven't got a whole house generator yet? No, I do not know. And I, that probably says I'm not sure. A real prepper, which you're not, but I do the, some of the habits of the prepper. So I'm like a prepper wannabe. That's the way I would describe it. Fair enough. But the thing that you probably also heard about Texas is that all the windmills rose and they weren't spinning anymore and not generating electricity well, Texas has more windmills than any other place on earth, more than even California, which California is I'm sure would really like to be holding that title as the windmill capital of the world, but they don't Texas has borne. So what we're doing in Texas is we're essentially disrupting wind patterns that have existed for let's. Do you say thousands of years, let's not even go through millions of years, but let's just say thousands of years, right. We've had certain wind patterns that have existed and we have built now literally thousands upon thousands of windmills. And I think they're around 150 deep, maybe 150 meters. They're not short, they're pretty damn tall. Like you've seen the one blade of these things is an extra long 18 Wheeler. Right. And obviously the height that they're, oh yeah. It's gotta be like 150 meters then that'd be the height of these is substantial. And when you put a a wind blows. That you're you have the wind spinning. What you're doing is you're taking the energy that the wind has and converting it to electrical energy by use of that propeller. And so you're essentially reducing the energy of the wind, which means wind that is blowing. And typically in Texas, most of these windmills are in the west side of Texas that we've now got a much lower amount of energy wind that is blowing from that direction, because it's had to go through all these windmills, which have sucked a lot of energy out of it. So I'm really that dude. I've never really even considered that, but so the concept is that because of this disruption, that's actually changing the weather patterns of the area. Yeah. And it's, I'm not going to go so far to say it's changing the patterns and it's affecting the entire planet, but it could be because of the butterfly effect, but it certainly effecting the weather patterns. The Texas has been experienced in the more of these, they build the easier it will be to test this hypothesis because we will start seeing predictable, but different weather than what we've seen for the past a hundred years. Weather records are readily available because you're de energizing the forces of the wind and which means. If you have a wind going towards a low pressure area from several directions, and one of the directions, the wind has to go through this thousand plus maybe 10,000 plus windmill, farm and winds coming from a different direction. Doesn't well, what happens when that, when the rise at the low pressure zone? The wind coming from the south is going to be much stronger than the wind coming from the wet. And so now you're going to have more more depression as being pushed to the north. You're going to be propagating potentially warmer weather, further north into the Midwest, potentially ruining prop results because those areas were not used to having warm, dry weather coming in there. We're used to, whatever typical weather they've had, looking at the farmers on the land for the last hundred years. So there is, there's a very realistic potential here that we could be creating manmade climate change and windmills is just one aspect of it. The other one of course is solar panels and solar panels do a similar thing. They don't affect the wind and the wind is created by the sun as well. The wind is created by essentially creating high pressure, low pressure areas because as the Southern warm. The earth the radiated eat creates a warmer gases have a lower lower pressure. No, they're higher pressure. Okay. Let me, I'm concerned. Confused myself right now. The point is though you're in a rabbit hole. Yeah, exactly. It's Hey, I've been ranting for a while here. The point is the energy that you experience with the wind and the energy that you're pulling out of the wind with men with windmills was the result of solar heating at some point somewhere, which then caused the expansion of the gases. Yes. So the sun will hit an area that area starts getting warmer gases, move away from that area and start expanding. So that's a high pressure area and then move towards a cooler, lower pressure area. So what do solar panels do? Solar panels, sidestep, all the natural processes that the Earth's been used through for literally billions of years from the sun, from solar radiation and in that solar energy directly to electricity and prevent essentially that solar energy from warming something up on the planet that would have been there previous to the solar panel. Right. Which would have then created a us hotspot, which would have. The gases around that area to expand and contribute to the global movement of the air around. So both of those sort of free energy in quotes, ways that people have started trying to pull energy out of the environment could have extremely detrimental effect on the environment and the it like no one has to believe that this theory is correct, because we are literally in the process of testing this theory or this hypothesis, because we've done these things, we've built solar farms, we've built wind farms. And now it's just a matter of comparing the results that we're getting today to the results that we saw previous to building these places that disrupt the normal occurrence of air around the planet. And that's Billy bones in the troll room send in an article that was talking about how trees during the dust bowl had a similar effect, how they were wind dams, and the wind had to move around it. And the air all had to move around it obviously. And what effect that has. And I, it's interesting because I don't think most people, I know it's never really occurred to me that, you just see a windmill and it's the wind is just moving through there. You don't really think about. How much of that energy, because it takes a lot of power. It takes a lot of that wind. It takes a lot of blowing and bloviating to make that fan blade spin. So it's not like the wind is unaffected by that. Then one windmill, okay. Know, probably not a big deal, but once you have thousands of them that are in all one large area, that's of course going to cause a lot more of an issue. And it's interesting that everything that's then being suggested besides, nuclear energy, which actually seems to be the less evil when it comes down to the impact on the planet is always forgotten in this stuff. Like solar power and wind power is pushed. Like it's going to be the savior of the planet. And I've never heard this even floated anywhere that people know. It's the original theory. I'm not, there's nobody talking about it right now, except for me. Awake. There has to be somebody else, but if not if not, this is something you should get into the hands of the right people. This, you should be on all the, you should be at home. Now you're assuming something here. You're assuming I don't want the reptiles in here. Okay. That's I can understand you may, it may be time for the great reset. That the really big reset, the reset that the people who are talking about the reset don't realize. Yes. Yeah. It's y'all thought this was just a start new game. Reset. No-no this is computer reboot. This is a new operating system. This is windows 11, Jean that's right. Oh God, I don't know if the planet can handle windows 11. Probably not, but that is, it's a hell of a theory. You've got me and right. Isn't that fascinating. And again the beauty of this is it's not just a mind exercise because, I've realized this is already currently happening and the data is available. It's not like this. Data's hard to get, so you can actually start paying attention to and tracking what happens to localize weather patterns. Once you start doing things like adding a bunch of windmills or a bunch of solar farms because you're, w we also know that cities themselves have done the opposite. So while in some ways the apps, but cities are concentration and focal points for energy usage, and most of our energy usage isn't horribly efficient. So a lot of heat gets generated in the process of your TV being on their computer or anything else. And so local weather patterns around cities tend to have temperatures that are several degrees warmer. And they also have an effect as well on wind patterns, not just by buildings, blocking wind, but because there is a constant, slightly higher pressure within cities and outside of cities, they've sort of create a bit of a bubble around themselves. And this is why you don't. Tornadoes. It's a super rare, I'm not saying it never happens, but almost never. You have a tornado going through downtown Chicago and that's where it would be the most dangerous if you think about it. Yeah. The suburbs. But yeah, the last one that I remember there was a tornado that went through Fort worth that did damage the few billings there. It didn't topple any buildings, but because tornadoes, again they run out of energy. Like they operate based on the differential between the hot and cold. So if you have a microclimate that actually is insulating you from the outside by having a temperature gradient within that microclimate. So it's a it's interesting stuff. It's fascinating. I I think Adam even mentioned years ago on the show that he thought I was an, a dorky because I was monitoring things like CO2 levels and temperature and all kinds of data through my own sensors that I've had in the same exact spots now for almost a decade. And no matter what, yeah, the data's good and I'm plugged into a network of everybody else that has the same trackers. So I can literally see an unofficial view based on. Hundreds, locally and thousands and tens of thousands of these sensors spread around the country in the world even. And, it's sort of like the for the nerd aspect of of what's the science goal. I can't even think of it. The weather science, meteorology and meteorology. Yeah, of course. Yeah. Which yes, I watched meteors. Exactly. So it's a little bit of, it's been a hobby and an interest for probably 15, 20 years for me, but it's not, I like, I came to this theory about less than a year ago, about nine months ago, I started really trying to pay attention to what are the changes that we're seeing and are, can these be are we sure, are we seeing any kind of predictable, repeatable results in areas that start adding and increasing the number of windmills that are being put up? Even though there was a point about a month or so ago that the drought in was it Abu Dhabi, one of the, somewhere over there that was so bad, they start seeding the clouds to cause rain. There's a lot of stuff going on. It's a pretty big scale, but what is, so what is your theory when it comes down to, okay, we've got our gas powered vehicles and all that, and those on the left wants you to believe that this is causing a mass amount of problems with man-made climate change and they're pushing for windmills and for solar and all that, which you really, if, what would be your hypothesis, which is causing a greater change to the climate, which type of technology granted, there's a lot more cars right now than there are solar panels and windmills, but it seems like these, the solar stuff and the the windmills are relatively new for the United States doing this stuff in massive quantity. And it seems like it's already having an effect. So which of these things is having a bigger change to the environment? Oh if you go in order, it's obviously going to be solar flares, volcanoes, and cows farting, and those are all way ahead of any kind of energy use that we have. Because again, this is all measurable stuff. Like I know it sounds ridiculous, but you can actually pull all the real numbers and you see what kind of effects these things are having. We have the solar flares, especially nobody ever wants to talk about the cycle of the sun when they talk about the earth and the temperature. And it's like, how do you not? Yeah. Yeah. The earth is processing and it's not in a perfect. Circle like there, there are very definite points in time where the earth is closer to the sun where it's further away from the sun. There are points in time when the planets align like when we launched the the the Voyagers, the probes where we can have the facts, the combined effects of the gravity of all the planets actually inducing more solar activity because we're putting more stress on one side of the sun than the other, as it worked gravitationally. There's a lot of stuff that happens on the predictable imputed basis that most people, including people that are talking about climate change are oblivious about. And even if they knew about it, they probably don't care. People talking about climate change. You only know the talking points who don't even know that the sun has an effect on how warm the planet is. It's like here's spoilers. If the sun goes out, the earth gets very cold. The global warming is no longer a problem, it's interesting. There are no more problems on there. This one goes out. No problem. Everything. It's a self-cleaning system gene. That is the great. Yeah, but you're talking about the, that's the really fucking big reason. That's not even the fucking big reset and you and your son will do that, but before the sun goes out, it will swallow up the earth. The earth is within the the sphere of the sun at its optimal peak sites. So the sun will get to the size where the earth will be inside the sun before it actually finally burns out. Now that is going to be a glorious end. Yeah. I think we've observed the theme of these astrologically. Like not nearby obviously, but with radio telescopes and these types of events with climate changes. And I you were talking about the wind currents and I saw something the other day. I bookmarked it. Haven't gotten around to getting back to it, but there was a similar theory now on ocean currents and how some of these ocean currents are slowing down, and this is going to change the weather and this is going to cause all sorts of problems. And what I want to know is yes, we can track when you go back over the years, when you see the, there's only been what 150 years or so where man has been able to. Monitor the temperature at that time, somewhat accurately and has been throwing it down. You could argue about even the accuracy, but at least directly indirectly, we were able to monitor temperatures going back tens, if not hundreds of thousands of years through core samples of ice and rock stones. Now that's my question was derivative methods to monitor what temperatures would have been. They're not direct measurements, obviously right now, the intriguing thing about that, which was exactly what might, where I was going with. This is you can get that information. But the one thing you don't know is what was the state of the planet when it comes to the ocean currents, when it comes to the air currents. At that time, you can guess that there were phases of heating and cooling, but you don't have a real time model. You could do, I'm sure. Computer models, but my guess is what we're seeing now with a lot of this stuff has happened in the past, but there's no data. And so since there is no data, a lot of this seems like it's brand new and the sky is falling and I'm not really sure it is. Nothing's brand new. All this has happened before and all of it will happen yet until the sun swallows up the earth. In which case then no then it's all over. But yeah but the actual subatomic particles that the earth is comprised of, aren't going anywhere. They're just going to be part of the sun. It's all. It's just another transformation. So ultimately I think people just didn't worry as much about things that they have no control over, and then only focus on the things they have control over. And if for as much as you can look at well, what kind of damage are cars going? Here's the biggest problem with cars or adding to the people that worry about cars is carbon dioxide is that we're dumping a bunch of carbon dioxide and carbon dioxide is a gas that is associated with global warming of other planets and ask for me, essentially, it's a gas that traps infrared radiation inside of of the gaseous layer of a planet. And so instead of the way you think about it is the sun that is putting out a certain amount of energy all the time towards the planet. And the way that you can control the temperature of the planet is by either reflecting that energy back into space, trapping it, the Andes with the ozone layer, right? Oh, the ozone layers. I think those aren't actually had some other issues. It the thing you want to know the problem with living on Mars is that Mars has a super thin atmosphere that does not trap any. Infrared radiation. And so all that heat that Mars is getting from the sound is most of it is just bouncing right back into space. Right? And that's why you can't walk around without a space suit on Mars. That's, it's fricking cold out there. And not to mention that the the pressure is that obviously a lot less than this earth as well but on Venus, we have the opposite effect where the atmosphere is very thick and gooey, and it is trapped literally millions of years of sunlight energy in the form of heat within the atmosphere of the planet. And therefore the planet is much, much warmer than earth than certainly than Mars is. But if you were to strip Venus of its atmosphere or even a part of its atmosphere then the planet will pull down very quickly to the point where it wouldn't necessarily be any warmer than the earth. So it's this fine balance of a relatively thin atmosphere. You think about it, the atmosphere, even though it theoretically goes into, perpetuate, it just gets thinner and thinner in theory, but generally accepted the atmosphere is about a hundred kilometers or so, so you've got. Very little resistance beyond the a hundred kilometers of the atmosphere. So you have the super thin a hundred kilometer atmosphere wrapped around the planet, which is, I don't remember what the diameter of the earth is probably like what 12 million or 12,000 kilometers, no more than that. It's probably 20, 20,000 kilometers. Something like that. The relative difference between the thickness of the atmosphere and the diameter of the planet itself, as you zoom out you'll start seeing that the atmosphere is like the thickness of your skin compared to your body, right? Which is the planet it's very thin. And that is the thing that keeps the temperature of the planet that we live on in the range that is comfortable to us to live on without a spacesuit. So when you start messing with the atmosphere, there is a certainly a potential to alter the temperature range of that planet. And carbon dioxide is something that theoretically and based on observations in other places could be used to retain more heat, which would make the earth warmer. But again, the amount of carbon dioxide that has put out from one volcanic blast is equal to years and years of all the CO2 put out by cars. Right? So let's not forget people. People put out CO2. Exactly. And there are other gases like methane, which is why I mentioned the cow farts which are even better than carbon dioxide at capturing eat and holding onto it within the planet. Right? So more destructive if you're going, if you're going with that console, it depends if you want it warmer. If you want to, let's say melt the polar caps. Cause that's something that would actually be good for us to have more water that isn't caught in a frozen state than that very useful. Then you would want more of the gases that prevent eat from escaping from the planet. So that's one aspect, right? Is heat retention. Another Aspy aspect is heat generation and that's that's a very real effect. And I've talked about that when we do things that aren't meant to even generate heat, like watching TV or playing video games on the computer doing whatever those activities, these in the process of doing what they're supposed to be are also not hardly efficient. So they're still generally heat, which is why I mentioned the microclimates around cities. And that is extra heat. That is being, you could say it's being produced. It's really being released. It's not really being produced because all energy on the earth is the result of the sun. It's just how you release it from its captured state. If we, whether we look at fossil fuels or whether we looked at it doesn't really matter what type of energy we can look at trees and wood as a very simple form of energy. When you burn trees, these are all things that are just simply holding onto the energy that they got from the sun on the molecular level. So we're just releasing that energy, even nuclear energy. If you think about it, if we never built a nuclear power plant, the nuclear materials like uranium and they're still going to give off heat in their natural state, they're still going to decay and the differences we're just taking and finding tiny little bits of those materials and then sticking them altogether in the concentrated form so that we can utilize the heat that they're giving off naturally anyway and then use that turn steam turbine, which is how nuclear plants work. They're essentially big steam turbine plant. And I'm sure there are newer better plants being built that's blessed the traditional nuclear plant idea. So that's why nuclear energies is so damn clean. It's the best form of energy is because we're not even disrupting the damn process. It's not like taking a live tree and then killing it and burning it. We're taking little tiny rocks that are always giving off. And then just bringing them all together so that, that combined heat is hot enough to boil water. That's all we're doing with nuclear plant and we do have plenty of water. Yeah. And we can make more by by melting the polar cap. That's true too. That's the interesting thing when you talk about climate change is when you look at the earth as a snapshot from any time period, there's a whole lot of the earth at any given time. That's really not all that friendly to being inhabited. Absolutely. So it's not like we have Nirvana right now. And if we go one degree, one way or the other, all hell's gonna break loose. It's no things have been changing for millions of years. Absolutely. And you mentioned water, so let's jump back to that real quick. Or the the jet streams in the water. So we have the Gulf stream, which is due to the rotation of the planet and the really the current placement of the continent has a fairly substantial stream of warm water that is moving around Florida. And then a little bit off the coast of the United States and towards Europe and then into. And then ultimately into the north sea north of Germany and all the way up to the Baltic states and Finland. So that, that Gulf stream warm water is absolutely responsible for a milder climate in Northern Europe and has been for thousands of years. And this is something, and I think it's tens of thousands actually, but this has been studied extensively. This is not something that's Gene's latest theory. This is something you can look up quite easily on the internet, but that Gulf stream effect on Northern Europe allowed humans to settle in Northern Europe. We probably would not have people in Scandinavia and England, and maybe even that in the Baltic states, if the Gulf stream wasn't there, not enough food would have grown there to sustain human life. And so in a lot of ways, Europe was powered by the warmth of the Caribbean, by the warmth of the Gulf of Mexico which allowed humans to actually be able to live there. Now, modern humans can live in a lot more places because we have technology so we can live on the south pole itself. Right. Do experiments there. So I'm not too concerned about monitoring humans, but in terms of evolution of life these things that we take for granted, like the Gulf stream could end up being killed off by these new revolutionary free energy machines that they're building that are converting a water wave energy into electricity. And they're essentially like, if you easy way to think of them is just windmills underwater. This is something that they're actually doing. They're doing it right now. Absolutely. Because you're always going. So it is, hydro power seems again, like one of these things that could be the savior because the water's always moving, so we'll just use that. Yeah. But to harvest that, you're again, doing something to affect the, how that you're taking energy out of the system. That's what it comes down from a physics perspective. And if you take a sufficient amount of energy out of any system, the system will stop being at an equilibrium. All the snowy peaks that are melting and the water running down in rivers is powering dams that are generating electricity. Those dams there's electro hydroelectric plants, and the dams are relying on the continuous flow of water. We're not pumping the water up on top of the mountains, right. We're expecting the climate the air currents. To move around enough from the surface of large water bodies, like the Pacific and the Gulf of Mexico and the Atlantic, and then bring water molecules up to those Heights and then be cooled off enough that the molecules crystallize and fall down in the form of snow on those mountain peaks. So what happens if we stop wind blowing? There's a lot of, we shut down the water being dropped off on top of high peaks. And those are just going to become Rocky peak with no rivers running down. It's going to be bad for a lot of people. Your dams are no longer going to be needed dams. Aren't going to be needed. But also, Hey, guess what, California doesn't get any more water because there's no more rivers. Good. There's a positive spin on that. That's true. Yeah. Right. There are good and bad efforts. There are a lot of that are a lot of things that are in a sort of equilibrium. They're not continuous non-moving equilibrium, but they're equilibrium. Nonetheless, that is a self-adjusting system that is based on certain conditions that we have. That if you start yanking, the energy out of these systems get absolutely resolved in a partial collapse of the Caribbean. And the equilibrium will be restored by people not surviving. I don't mean some people. It be a big reset again, we've mentioned we're going to reset people, get rid of them. We'll try again. Do what action. I'm intrigued because if if you've been following along, especially if you listen to the no agenda show, the talk of the great reset has been going on for the last couple of years, even before COVID had, I believe. And there are many countries that are all in, on this pushing for the green, new deal, pushing for solar, pushing for the, wind energy, all this stuff that they all want to say, believe the science well, does anybody really looked into the effect that the cure is going to have on the planet? So it's oh we can tell you it's much, much better to use solar and wind energy than to burn coal and gasoline because it doesn't have the emissions problem. But it sounds to me that what it may end up causing could be a whole lot worse because rather than having some pollutant in the air, which would be taken care of on its own, the earth is a wonderful place. The rain forest, all this stuff, there's a lot of things that kind of acted as a natural filter to smoke and whatever would get into the air. But once you actually start messing with how the air moves and how the water moves, that would seem like it would be much worse. As a domino effect, then putting a little pollution into the air, almost like a vaccine that does more damage than what it's supposed to prevent. They can. And maybe, and the data on that too, it's that's just a no win situation because you're not getting the true, at least I think there are professionals trying to figure out the truth there. And when it comes to the global warming stuff, I'm not so sure. It seems like everybody maybe is in on this the cure without really going well. Okay. If we actually do this, if we make this change and go fully to wind hydro and solar this is going to be the effect. I think everybody's just going to be Nirvana. It's going to be clean energy and everything's going to be great. I think it's free energy. It's not free energy. This is energy that has a purpose and it's there. Whereas nuclear is free energy, nuclear, like that is simply rounding up a bunch of warm rocks and then putting them together so that they create enough of a focus eat to be able to boil water that spins turbines, those rocks would be hot regardless of where they are. And we know this again because there, there are places I think in France there places in south beach, some Western United States where we have evidence. Of nuclear decay that has happened like 30,000 years ago or 60,000 years ago where we have charring and nuclear radiation. And it's what the hell was there a nuclear bomb that went off here? No, these were just naturally stirred up by a tectonic plate movement to where randomly enough nuclear material was put together for it to have an effect, but not anywhere near as much as the nuclear plant that we're doing, obviously. And even the same thing with fossil fuels. This is like what, we're, what we're spending when we're burning a fossil fuel is we're spending solar energy. There is nothing else we're spending solar energy that was sent through the earth, hundreds of thousands or millions of years ago. We're not spending solar energy immediately as it comes into the earth. So this is solar energy that was stored up. So it would be that it's the pollution coming from that. Right. But I think that's a separate document. It's being con alluded with the argument against doing this for the global warming or global change to environmental change reasons or whatever. And the pollution is a fair argument, but the pollution argument has been debunked. And that's why they're not really using anymore because the coal plants that we currently build and us isn't really building any. U S companies are absolutely building coal plants for other countries. We want both plans. They have scrubbers that have air coming out of the top of those stacked that is cleaner than what you have in your house, right? Oh yeah. There's, it's being sufficiently filtered in isolated. Yes. The technology that's there to filter the air. Yeah. We're not living in London of 1890, you know where it was literally you get black sitting in your lungs from just an hour of breathing that air. Yes. And we're both old enough to remember living through the time when the headlines were, we're running out of fossil fuels. And when is the last time you've heard that argument from anybody? Jean, I haven't heard it for a long time. Cause they keep finding more and more deposits of stuff. We can utilize to oil to whatever but even let's say that fossil fuels do have an end date. I'd say anything. If anything, let's say not use other methods until we run out of fossil fuels. Cause we got them. You gotta might as well use them be, try and find better ways to do nuclear. And only as a last resort do things that can absolutely truly fuck up the environment like putting in. So like their order seems to be backwards because most of these people don't have a clue as to what a what an equilibrium based system is like they don't understand that if you take a bunch of random stuff and then you started spinning and eventually it gets to a steady state where things are changing, but they're balancing that change. Right? So for something that goes left, something else goes right then it's it goes into a steady state. Like they don't understand that is the model that you should use for our planet. It's an it's steady state of constant change that is sort of self balanced from other things. And when you start taking energy out of it, that's when you really start risking with catastrophic results, because that balance is achieved by there being a certain amount of energy that's flowing into the system, which is flowing in from the sun. And then the question is, are the people that are behind this ignorant or evil. There's been a lot of things that I've, bloviating about over the last couple of years, which is what is being done. I believe sometimes it was able to be proven sometimes just a theory, but these big things that are being done are not being done for good. They're being done to crash the system. In order to get that little reset, not the whole world crashing into the sun reset, we talked about it with things like the minimum wage, where it turned out that the guys within the Woodrow Wilson organization were like, if we raised the minimum wage, then those minority people who don't have the skills will be totally out of the workforce and this wasn't to help them, even though that's still the lie being told or when it comes to something, this huge, I just have to wonder, are the people pushing this stuff? There's, I can't believe there's not a scientist out there gene, because I know Adam May be right. That you're a little bit nerdy with this kind of stuff, but you're bringing stuff that seems to make enough sense to where it should be looked into. And if nobody's talking about the fact that, if you put up a million windmills, it's going to slow the air currents down. Yep. And why aren't they talking about that? Is it just pie in the sky that they're buying into the, the green new deal it's going to save the world and they believe it's going to save the world, or is this the case of, a Dr. Fowchee where it, maybe he was just covering his own ass. Cause he put money behind the research of a virus. If you think about it. And this is now you're crossing into conspiracy theories, but isn't that a fun place to go every now and then if you were in the business of making windmills and you came to this realization based on data from your own, went to bills that the currents are starting to change. There's less energy that your be being able to suck out of a place than your predictions, because the wind is just dying down, but you would never want to tell that to somebody because that will negatively affect your business. No, it's just like the tobacco companies didn't want to talk about the fact that their product might be causing cancer in the fifties. If it's recommended, but nine out of 10 doctors, why would it a doctors, man? Oh, we get a good doctor. That's something I've been saying just the last couple of years cigarette for the real man, get a doctor. You can trust gene. That is it's harder to do than you would think. But, it's again, like I'm not at all being alarmist. I'm not trying to create bluff out of nothing here. I'm just saying that this stuff is all very easily accessible to anybody that wants to do the research. The real question is like you said, why aren't there people doing more of this research or are they, and then we just don't hear about it because it's not making the news, right. Or those are the scientists that are in a small airplane crash. Or, and who's going to be funding that research. Remember if you're working for a university? Not even the private company, obviously with private company, it's obvious, but even if you're working for a university universities work on a grant system, so there they have salespeople out trying to solicit money from corporations, do grants to do certain things. What company would it be an advantage to do this type of research, to show that all these various model all these various technologies that are pulling energy out of sunlight immediately, rather than later, that somehow they're wrecking the environment. I can't think of a single company that would want to fund that research. I can coal companies, the oil companies, because they're like, wait, no, if oil companies and coal companies could prove that wind farms and all this stuff are causing more damage to the planet, gee, this could be your exit strategy. Might be what it says, my exit strategy. I need to go hit up some coal companies. That's a good point. Hey, I've got an idea here. And this is some interesting research because you want to push the data. Yeah, absolutely. Just start looking at it. Cause it ultimately it's like any natural resource, which is not privately owned. It's you're always are looking at well, I'm just going to take a little bit of it and it's not gonna affect anything, but everybody takes a little bit of it. And then, if you do that with the river, you end up with like river the Hudson river in the seventies, in New York, which you could literally throw a match at and it would catch fire. There's again, everything is a limited resource. I Using a river is a great example. If a million people take a bucket and each take five gallons out as that's going down and there's people all down the line that just keep taking more water out, eventually there's not going to be enough water to get to the end. Absolutely. And we have this in Texas as well in Austin when I first moved here about 10 years ago the lakes and I put that in air quotes because the lakes are really just the expanded water areas between two dams. They're all just dammed up rivers down here, but the lakes were super low on water. Like one of them, I think lake Travis was down 141 feet. You can imagine a lake that is 140 feet lower than its capacity. That's a lot of water missing. Yeah, that's a drop. And that lake is bad by the Colorado river and the Colorado river upstream of the lake is mostly used for agricultural diversion. So Texas, if you think about it, it's really mostly the, what it would look like without people living here are tumbleweeds across a desert of, what's not really a desert, but across an area of shrubs. It's just probes and tumbleweed. There's not really any trees. There's not really much. It's not a great place for farming yet. We grow watermelons here where, what other plant needs more water than the fricking watermelon? Not many, if any, it's Jesus, see, that's even in the name of the thing and we we grow peaches, watermelons. There's tons of stuff that's grown in Texas because the temperature is right for it. There's tons of sunlight. The only thing that's missing is water. So what are we doing? We're sucking that out of the rivers that are falling down and farm usage is considered to be at a higher level of interest or whatever. I don't know how to explain it then like recreational use more priority to it, right? Less important. Yeah. Higher priority. So therefore when the farmers are sucking the water out of the river, and there's not much water that ends up coming down to fill the lakes and the draining down to very low levels to the point where one of the lakes that was 141 feet below its normal level, which is nuts. People that own lake from property and let lake where they all of a sudden quadrupled the amount of property they had. But it was all really shitty property. Cause it was Riverbed, right. With nothing growing, it's just like ugly, dry Riverbed. So property values not going up. The, so about seven years ago, there was a tremendous amount of rain and it completely filled all the lake. And this year, like I said, we had six months of rain. So the rain has been, it's been like, non-stop it is in the Plains in Spain. So it's a, there's been a significant change even from the time that I've come here, which clearly meant that there is a changing climate but it's really a change that has been big enough to overpower the amount of water that's being diverted for farm use and still leave plenty of water for recreational use. Now you have to have a lot of this data going back. Is this totally beyond anything like they've seen with the rainfall in the Austin area or has this happened, 50 years ago? A hundred years ago. Yeah. So I do want to put the Astros scout. This is absolutely more rain than there's been since the eighties. There have been times in the past where there has been years that are very rainy down here as well. So it's not the first time that this has happened. It's certainly the first time since I've been here, it's the first, well about 25, 30 years ago. But it has happened in the past and we may end up having a super dry year next year. This is where the racism comes in, isn't it? The main reason I bring up the crazy amount of rain we had is that this, these are the types of things that kind of pointed me to start looking at what could be affecting the club. In this region, it wasn't that the rain aha. Therefore it's caused by these windmills. It was more like, man, I've never seen this before. Let's start digging through some data in the past and see what we come up with. The intriguing thing is you have an idea what the air currents were normally doing when you go back historically. And it's very easy. If there's a large group of windmills in an area and you can look at the town just to the east of them had this go on at the towns of the west. The west has been consistent for 30 years, but the one on the east star chain, after the windmills went up or vice versa, whichever it may be. Yeah. And then there's a like my parents live out they're outside of Seattle, but they're in that general vicinity of Bemrose country, but they're more isolated. They're like a two and a half hour drive. And where they live is a place called Sunland, which is a little golf course community. That sounds nice and accepts old people. So it's not that we're old now. Don't you realize I'm 25 as far as I'm concerned, man. Somebody told me just a couple of days ago, we were talking on this board playing a video game and I mentioned my age. Guys like what? No, you're 25 don't lie. I'm like, yep. Yep. That's me. Maybe I'd be lucky to be twenty-five mentally. Yeah. So where do they live? The reason it's called Sunland, even though it's right next to Seattle, is that they don't get much rain at all. And the reason they don't get much rain there and the reason there aren't even clouds there it's actually sunny most of the year is because they are on the, if you draw a straight line from the coast in the direction of the prevailing winds that are coming towards Seattle you will find that the Olympic mountain range is directly between that prevailing line and Sunland. And so the mountain range effectively squeezes the moisture out of that moist air coming off the Pacific and then dumps that moisture onto the mountains as snow. And then this dry air is what ends up, keeps moving easterly and over over where Sunland is, where my parents lived. And so they ended up having a very different climate than other regions around Seattle, which don't have this mountain range to change the climate for them. And to squeeze out all the moisture out of there. W the reason I bring that up is that very much a natural formations on the earth have a similar effect on changing microclimates they, they have an effect like this, which is a well known effect of effectively drying air as it's forced to move up and over mountain top. And in the process dumping a lot of the moisture out of that air in the form of snow or rain. And then the, that same air is now dry as it keeps moving along in that same direction. So we can, we can build an artificial mountain range called downtown. Right. That's, it proves the fact that having something that will act as a, in the case of the mountain is a natural filtering system, but of course that can be duplicated with things like windmills or whatever you want to add to different things for us building, planning for us and getting it like air is linear, right? So it's not to say that all air just simply goes up and over the mountains. A lot of that air is forced around the two sides of the mountain. And in those areas, it dumps rain much lower altitude on that. Not even snow, just rain, because now you've got a more concentrated wet Air coming through those mountain passes. And because the mountain passes are narrower, it's moving in a much faster direction. So you're creating a lot of wind currents. Now you put windmills into those areas, which is mostly what they do in California. They don't have the open Plains that Texas does in California. The windmills are usually in valleys and they're there between mountain ranges, which would make sense. It makes sense. That's where the wind is strong, but okay, so you do that. So what does that effect have? Every effect going to have some other effect that it's causing. So you're slowing down that air. You're creating more back pressure on it. The more air is going to start going over the mountaintop to compensate for the reduced amount of air coming through the valley, because that's where the moving Hills are. So more of that air goes over the mountains, going to dump more snow on top of the mountain. So you're potentially taking air that would gone around the mountain and then dumped its moisture, say on farmland in the valley. And instead more of that air is going to go up and over the mountain dump the the moisture in form of snow and then be dry thereafter. So putting in windmills could very easily end up screwing with your natural rain ability or farmland. Now you're going to have to, you're going to you're going to have irrigation systems and pulling water out of the river. Because you've prevented a natural path for that moisture to grow. I go through valleys. So maybe the whole great REITs reset plan is get rid of all the fossil fuels, get everybody onto this kind of technology with the windmills and the solar and the hydro power, and then realize all that stuff's evil too, so that we have to tear all those down, which I guess we go back to what the 18 hundreds or so for technology, we have to get rid of all the all the evil going to jail. We're going to go cyber punk, maybe mate. There's plenty of that. I guess if, although you have to be able to generate the heat, this is where if you have a little nuclear reactor in your backyard, you'll be doing well, get some Storium reactors built. But that, there has to be some thought pattern. I can't believe that with nations around the globe, putting billions, if not, trillions of dollars into solar and wind power, that there hasn't been some kind of study if we do this, what's the negative effect of doing this. And I don't know, it's either ignorance or maybe I get it. I'm just going to say who's going to pay I guess you're saying the other technologies would be paying for those studies and maybe they're worth approaching and thinking about this stuff because they're. There's very little that you can do, which will have no negative consequences at all. Most things have both the positive and negative consequences. Yes. And when people talk about coal or talk about oil, it's all negative because of natural resource. We only have so much of it and the pollution aspect, but I've never once heard anybody talk about, so this is actually enlightening and I hate to give you a compliment, cause I know you hate getting compliments, but it's really enlightening. Cause I've never even thought to go down that road, which was really what's the negative effect. I I know it's not cheap to build solar panels. I know it's not cheap to build the windmills. And I understand in some areas the windmills work better than others. And if you have, salt air and stuff like that, these things corrode pretty quick. So the replacing them costs a whole lot of money, but I never, ever even considered the fact that throwing up a bunch of windmills in California might mess with the climate in Texas or wherever and California needing more water as a result of it. Yes. Never even considered that. This may be one of the more nerdy topics we've ever hit on here. So I, it was totally optional. Like I said, I, I can talk about this stuff if you want. It's certainly by no means like the only topic I give a shit about, it's just happened to be something I started tracking a little more closely. Seven eight months ago. When I think a lot of people are interested in this, I could tell the trolls in the troll room are quite interested in this. Billy bones actually said you were, or he was pretty much channeling you when he did a topic on a similar thing recently. And more people need to consider that Billy bones does a great podcast to what's called a walk through the mind. If you've never heard Billy, I'm going to have to check that out. I will definitely add that to my list and he's a millennial, but he's not all in, on all the crazy millennial stuff. So he brings an interesting viewpoint to the table, this global warming stuff, one, I know as we talked about last night, you're just an, I am burned out on politics because it's, for a while when you cover politics, it's a fun game. For me, when I first start covering politics, it was great. I'm playing rush Limbaugh. I get to yell and scream and tell everybody why they're dumb, which I mean, there's a certain amount of fun to that for a while. But when every story is negative, when it's is it, do you feel like there's not even a fight anymore between good and bad, it's between evil, bad and just stupid bad. There's those are the two different sides now. Yeah. And for politics, and I'd mentioned this to you and part of the reason for my. Dribble of episodes lately on the podcast. I haven't stopped it technically, but it's, it went from every other day to once every two weeks. Part of the reason that not the whole reason is that I really started feeling very depressed when I had to do an episode. And that was not the case. When I started, I was very happy about that stuff, but because the topics that I'm talking about are just depressing in the sense of this is really what we need to talk about. This is ridiculous. Most of this should be self-evident that there's bullshit a foot and it's and the fact that people are going along with it isn't itself depressing. But just covering more of the same kind of stuff every other day just started getting old. And what I found myself is instead of looking forward to recording an episode or certainly when I was doing the interviews for the podcasting 2.0 people, that was really fun because I got to talk to people that are excited about something brand new that they're doing. They're participating and helping, and that was fun. But once I've pretty much interviewed everybody that had a podcasting app and then some, I went back to politics and I did it for a little bit, and then it just started dawning on me that man I'm not looking forward to recording. Like I have I'll start saying to myself I'll do it tomorrow. Instead of today. Yeah. And it's one of those things where I have plenty to talk about, but it's not necessarily on the topic that the podcast started from. And I started rather than changing topics, I guess I just really drastically slowed down the podcast up until I'll ask a few ones, which and I think, people have listened to my podcasts, know about it, that my mom had a stroke and that meant I had this whole other set of responsibilities that I need to help my dad with and taking care of what's going to happen with her and getting her treatment and then finding a facility for her. Cause she can't live at home. You're like, her, memory's got a minutes worth of time and at a time. So you just can't have somebody that in excellently, turn the stove on and then walk away and then not know that she turned the stove on instantly. Yeah. So that's been preoccupying me and combined with the already sort of a man I'm tired of politics, thoughts. It just made me slow weight, which again is why I'm so happy that you've now picked up the agreed to do, sir, Jean speaks on a regular basis and I will certainly be happy to be a guest on my own podcast, but having somebody there, like you just taking care of it. It was a tremendous help and I appreciate it greatly well, and that is a big part of it. You've done the solo show, besides the interviews, which are, obviously, you're talking to somebody else, unless they're the voices in your head, I've done the solo show in those. They have their own hurdles to get over, which is, if you don't have something you really want to talk about, it's way harder coming into a show where you're going to be talking to somebody else, because you can at least have some kind of feedback. So you can, maybe it's a little bit more cathartic too, because there is that confirmation bias thing. If you come in and just bitch about Joe Biden did this and this, and it's, you're doing a solo show, you're just going through it. And you're reading this and this, when you're doing it with a podcast with somebody else you at least get, yeah, you're right. This is horrible. And it can go down different angles and solo shows usually don't go off on massive tangents. I know I'll go off on little tangents that come to mind, but there's quite often when you're doing a show with somebody else, what you planned on talking about just never even makes it to the show because everything just has a life on its own. I'm happy to be the, what would it be? The sit-in Serjean who's that may be the only way that what we're talking about here is going to make it onto the no agenda stream, because it appears that crumple Benz was removed from the. From the rotation that show ended. So I wasn't really shocked me. Yeah. I know it was a horrible show and it had to come to its eventual demise at some point, like everything does. Even this world we are living on today will eventually all just shrivel up and die. But the global warming stuff I think is really interesting and that isn't, while it's politically related, it's much more science related, which anybody that says any science is completely done and nothing needs to be talked about. You're no longer doing science, you're become a religion. I think it was, Ryan always said, it's a religion that is no longer good for anybody because you're not leaving the door open to, oh wait, we forgot this variable that changes everything now. And if you're too tied into it, that's a little bit dangerous. But so it's interesting because you've obviously done more than a little bit of research on this topic now. Is this just what you're doing in your spare time? Cause, or was this, were you planning on doing like a series or a show on this? I was planning on doing like a series of maybe three episodes on the podcast on this topic. And I kept feeling like I don't have quite enough stuff cause I'm what I wanna do is. All the annotated references, all the links, everything people can just go and look at immediately after, because it is something that most people have not really heard anybody else talking about. So I'm not chiming in with my opinion around the topic. That's getting popularized on the interwebs, right? This is something that is going to be brand new for most people. And I don't want to say there's not been any research whatsoever on it. I, all I can say is I've not found any. So if there has been it's well hidden and maybe that's by design maybe a lot of the research around the negative effect of pulling energy out of the the systems like our atmosphere and our oceans. Maybe a lot of that research is being, but behind closed doors. I don't know. I, again, I don't even want to bought on that because that's getting into conspiracy land, but all I know is this seemed like it shouldn't not be talked about. There, there are very straightforward physics principles involved here, and there are enough people that have done research, which can be used to do this type of research that the data is I want to say it's like super easily available, but you can find it. And so really it's, this is no different than, doing a. Graduate or postgraduate research in a specific, unusual niche that no one else gives a shit about. And then just spending a bunch of time doing the research and seeing what you can come up with. But like I said, that the other aspect of this, if I can call it fun is that it's not purely hypothetical. This is not doing stuff with theoretical physics with black holes and stuff. This is we've already done the necessary steps to be able to do a study, which is we built the damn windmills. Now, all we have to do is observe them for the next hundred years and see what happens. Right. So all I'm doing is just accelerating that process a little bit based on available data. And and it could turn out to be that the effect is negligibly small. I think couldn't turn out to be that the fact is part of what's causing very wet temperatures in Austin. It's hard to say, and I don't want to make predictions yet that are that broad on it. All I'm saying is it seems really strange that something so basic and simple hasn't been looked at because this isn't, this is a topic that is so politicized and we saw what happened with COVID in the vaccines that yeah, there's people on both sides. Very strong narratives, but when it comes to the, the global warming, the, just the overall narrative of the people who don't believe in global warming, that man is may of having a major effect on global warming. And we know natural, global warming has happened will continue to happen. But the effect in man has had most of the people who don't believe in it, just go back, you're wrong. But never when it came to the, we need to go to solar and wind and all that. Never once have I heard somebody even suggest that technology might be worse for the planet. And so that's why it's like how is nobody come up with that? Because it's such a political issue. You would think that this would have been well-funded from the, again, the coal companies, the oil companies, this is how cigarette companies pushed that cigarettes were safe. Like you said, nine out of 10 doctors say smoking, a lucky will help with digestion after a meal. That's that kind of stuff that it does seem quite odd that nobody is talking about it except sir gene. So you're either brave or crazy or both. Yeah. And again I may not have talked about this publicly, but I've talked my friends' ears off on this topic. Adam will attest that, most of my friends will say, yeah, quit talking about this shit. We don't really care. Net is correcting me. This is what the troll rooms for planet of humans covered it as they're Adam Curry on the no agenda show, but I don't remember. Yes. Adam covered it after having dinner with me was your driver for Adam Curry covering it. So you are Adam source on this. Oh yeah. Adam has login access to my weather stations. So he, he doesn't talk about this stuff unless he's prompted to, but he certainly is a little more of a nerd than he maybe lets on in this aspect. I did Adam's story about you and him sitting out on the porch and then all of a sudden your phone rings and it's somebody speaking to you in Russian. Yeah. And it was my watch, which was even better. So my, my, my Adam says I can't remember what he was saying, but he was saying something controversial. Yeah, I think he described it in a story I'd already forgotten by now, but something that made it even funnier that my phone rang right there. And then through my watch, essentially, I got a call on rush and on my watch and right in the middle of that conversation, which the look on his eyes was pretty damn funny. She's not too sure about Eugene. That's why he's keeping you close. He wants to, he definitely wants me closer than further away for sure. I will say that I never really thought about it, but like getting outside of Austin city limits proper the vibe is more like what I remember Austin city limits being 10 years ago. There's no doubt it's changing from what it's more Texan like Austin is progressively becoming less and less tech. Right? There's ups, there's too many people moving out of California. I would guess that are bringing their politics with them that are bringing those ideals. And Texas, I haven't been there in 20 years or so, but it was always known as more of a, a, a John Wayne kind of state that, it was Adam or were men and women were women. Yes. Adam pulling out the judge on Leo show, and just everybody's polite here. Cause everybody has one of these, I think that said a lot about Texas too. And there's a lot of people that moved in that now are like, Ooh, guns are bad because you don't know how to use them. I have multiple guns within arms reach. None of them have ever shot anybody. I don't know. I guess I'm doing it wrong. I could just, you're missing a lot. I need to go and get some target practice down on the south side here of Chicago where, I it's fine. It's just all in the days when the cops aren't going to do anything about it, that's for sure, man. I feel bad for anybody that has to do that job, especially in a city like Chicago, it is thankless work. And I get that there are bad cops out there, but there's a lot of good cops who are doing their best to try to protect and serve. And when you know the mayor and the people in charge, aren't, don't really have your back. That's it makes it a lot tougher when they release the criminals back into the wild, without holding them on. But when they refused to prosecute people for a variety of things, it's this is a further breakdown of society. There was a movie that was based on a comic book that was like black and white. The hell was it called? It was a, oh, Jessica Alba was at the one that was that thing called I can't remember something. Oh yeah. What was it? Students now that was a sentence city, Cincinnati. So I feel like a lot of the stuff that we're seeing happening in larger cities right now are basically just showing them being transformed in the city where it's laws, there's underground activity and groups that are controlling different regions. You get whatever you want or need. And it's really not a big deal. The cops are all corrupt. The politicians are all corrupt. Everybody's in somebody's pocket. And it's, I think it's happening in a lot of cities in California. Got a history of that for probably a hundred years. Yeah. Our dead vote. When the dailies, the percentage of the dead voting in Chicago, way higher. Yeah. Yeah. Chicago was a mob run town. That's just historical knowledge. And it's always fun doing like the mob tours in Minneapolis where I grew up because inevitably all the mob tour places, they talk about the mobsters that were there and they were generally hiding out from being in Chicago. Minneapolis was where the mobsters went when they were wanted in Chicago was far enough away. Yeah. It was like a day's travel. Nobody's going to find me here, the beauty of the world before the internet, when, if you committed a crime and I love the old Western movies where it's like, ah, you killed somebody in this state. So you moved to the next table. Yep. That's like the last instance of that type of thing that I experienced was in fact, in driving from Minneapolis to Chicago, one year I managed to be bought by a Wisconsin policemen. And apparently in Wisconsin, back in the nineties, it was illegal to drive 130 miles an hour on the highway. I don't know if that's the case anymore because I lost my Wisconsin driving privileges permanently. I was PERMA banned from Wisconsin. I was not allowed to drive through the state. I had to drive through Iowa to get through Illinois. You're laughing now, but that band never expired. I'm still technically not allowed to be behind the wheel of a motor vehicle, state of Wisconsin. And it's very inconvenient if you live in the area anyway, if you live in the area now I just started flying over it after that instead of driving through it. But I could see for some people that would be a major inconvenience to not be able to drive through Wisconsin. I'm assuming you had to go to court. Did you give some kind of defense decided to not go to court? You just decided to make it permanent. Nice. One of my brother-in-law's buddies was once doing 85 and a 40 or something, and he went to the traffic court and his defense was, he was defending his leg. Oh, nice. Bending his lane from what you know, Russia. Apparently they use helicopters in Wisconsin or at least used to they gotta make money gene and there was a mandatory or hearing if you were going double the speed limit. So I dunno, it's a weird thing. They have to make their money somewhere. They're not pulling enough in, at the broad stop. All I know is when you go to Texas if you don't want to even think about gaps, just get on the toll road, you can go any speed you want on toll road. It's close to that here too. At least it was prior to the pandemic. I don't know if it's the same. Although the worrisome thing is because my wife travels down one of the toll roads back and forth to work now for them to collect the tolls, they use one of them, little RFID, right? And it's not hard math. When you go through multiple RFID checkpoints, figuring out how fast we're going. They RFID. We did a, I watched the video of them doing a test on those here in Texas. They wanted to see if they ever not work. If you're going too fast could you be going fast enough to not register? But they got one of the new Corvettes and it's I think 200 miles an hour and or 186 miles an hour or whatever it was. And so they in, this is fully in coordination with the Texas police department or a department of public safety or whatever they did these tests. So they stuck one of these patch things on the Corvette. And then slowly it started at a hundred miles an hour and it kept going faster and faster to see if there was a point at which the reader would no longer work. Not really a huge surprise to me. The reader never stops working. They pick you up regardless of your speed. You may, maybe there is a speed, but it's not one you're going to achieve, right. That thing's not gonna work anymore. But it was fun to watch these guys going through the toll gates 200 miles an hour. That was pretty cool for science. For science. Yeah, totally. For science. Exactly. So I think the point of the video was to tell people, don't try and do this. It's not going to work and it's probably not good for endangering everybody around you. If you're just trying to outrace the reader for the toll road, right. That's not going to be it's you're still going to get, yeah. Yeah. You're still gonna get that. I remember a story of somebody was telling me, I think it was of them in New Jersey, on the toll pike and that the turnpike there, where they had done a significantly above the speed limit speed and upon exit, the toll taker said, okay, so here's what can happen here? You can pay the fine or the, and then the fine, you can pay the toll like normal. And then you will be picked up by the cop. That's half a mile down the road or speeding, or you can back up and sit here off to the side. For the next seven minutes and then come through and pay the tall. Nice. And then you can be on your way. It's totally up to you. I don't care which one you choose now. I'm sure the police don't want them warning. I'm sure the cops would prefer the toll takers, not tell people this, all that it gets to the neighbors seem to be in a good enough mood to give him my buddy a choice, which he took and just sat in the car for seven minutes so that he didn't flag the toll or the cops threw his whole, they could, I suppose the reality is that would be a way to get people to slow down. If they know that's coming, when they're trying to exit, then there's no reason to speed. Maybe. Yeah. It's true. It is definitely using big brother as the turn though. Yes. Oh no. There's no doubt. Which is why all of this stuff, when they're keeping this information, they're tracking this information. I think the last I heard there was something in this new, huge infrastructure bill that is going through the system right now. That was again, adding something in that was going to pave the way to bring in the pay per mile concept, which yeah. Is just horrendous when I'm going to guess California. Doesn't the first probably states. Cause they're the ones that really pushed electrical vehicles with tax breaks and electrical vehicles don't fill up. And so the tax revenue from the pump is being switched from, everybody to just the percentage of your population that doesn't drive electric vehicles. And so the idea of charging everybody, of course, on top of the fees you pay at the pump, but charging everybody a flat per mile feet use public roads, which really become private roads. That point. Again, this is very similar to what we were just talking about to the people when you're pushing for this and not realize the government's pushing for all electric vehicle, because it didn't go how much money if we make it a year from the tax on the gasoline. Nobody asks that question. Exactly. I'm sure somebody did. But again, this type of very obvious answer was pushed out of the way, because what was important at the time was to get more people using electric vehicles, for the environment, of course, for the environment use wind turbine energy. It's much better when you use the wind. It's free might as well. There's no toll on that. And it's a renewable thing. It did. You're not even, you're not even taking anything out of the, no, it's just like always there. So you might as well that's I don't think that's true anymore. I believe that to a certain extent, two hours ago, but now he's starting to question that now I'm starting to question that, but exactly. And to be fair. Yeah. We still have huge temperature gradients. And as long as we have large temperature gradients on the planet, there will still be wind that blows around. So we haven't completely stopped all wind, but the speed with which that when moves could absolutely be effective and no doubt will affect the weather patterns around where the windmills are. Yeah. And potentially, we believe that whole butterfly effect thing, which there's some pretty good evidence for it, then it could also affect it, you could see effects in the areas that you would not normally associate that like somebody in Hawaii or Australia, you could start seeing a change in their local weather because of this as well. It's like some of these sand storms, dust storms that travel over the ocean. It's I still can't wrap my brain around that. Right. They bring sand from Africa to Florida. You it's like how does that work? I understand that what works, but it's it's almost incomprehensible to believe that happens. So of course, any little change you make in those areas, it has to have some kind of effect. Maybe it's good, maybe it's bad, but it depends what, I guess, what your end result is, what you're wanting, but there's no doubt that it has to have some kind of an effect. Yeah. Yeah. We're not doing this things in the complete vacuum. There'll be lot less air we'd have no wind dammit. Wind power does not work in a vacuum. Yeah. It's okay, totally switch topics. You know how in science fiction that you have a split between lasers that are shot in space, which then you wonder where's the power source strong enough to have a laser that actually does real damage. And then you have genetic projectiles like guns, people are shooting in space. Here's an interesting thing. Neither one of those stops unless they hit something that would make sense. So both that laser shot and that bullet that you just fired, they're just gonna keep going until there's something that ends up stopping them until they run into something, which could be a long ways away. So here's, this is the best argument for the non-existence of alien. If there were more species like us in the other planet, our planet would have been blown up. I probably would have experienced bullets falling out of the sky or media wars or whatever. There would be effects that were created by other intelligent life. That would be detrimental to us. That would make sense if we're not seeing a whole lot of these negative effects. It's not to say that proves there's no life, but it certainly. That there's a slightly lesser chance of life since we're not seeing them well, there's that? And then how many decades have people been listening to radio waves coming from outer space? Same thing. Like we're looking for patterns we're looking for, and I know every now and then something comes in that they can't quite explain, but it's a similar thing. If there's stuff out there, it came from somewhere, whether it's a physical object, whether it's radio waves, something created it. And who knows? Yeah, no, there's. And it's not to say that we would immediately recognize some other intelligent species radio waves or there were on there of we, we may not discern that from complete static and random noise. But we might, that's the thing is you're going from no chance to at least some chance, which is a huge jump. Really. When you think about it, one little thing when it's like the concept of, we know that time-travel will never exist because if it does somebody would've come back by now to to screw the whole thing up. Yeah. In the sense that time travel travels portrayed on in movies and television, isn't that the reality. We're all time travelers. You were here in the past and you're here today. I know it's not necessarily true. Yes. You never know. I don't know. I could be honest. It's hard to tell. Yeah. Yeah. So there, there's a physicist that has a YouTube channel. I just want to say moose said, hold onto your pants. This is the screwed up timeline. That makes sense. Actually. Damn it. How do we get stuck in the screwed up timeline, Jean? You, I, the whole timelines thing I think has been over done, firstly, probably I think that all the non screwed up timelines only exist in your head. Like all the voices. Yes. Maybe both of those things, but it's I think that there's been a, sort of a pop science kind of fascination with this idea that we're going down the railroad track and there's a split into another track at every fraction of a second or, more way more than that obviously. But that, there's always all these choices happening. And I think people like the idea of imagining the universe as a set of choices, rather than seeing it as a complex machine. Interacts in predictable ways where you could give them the enough computing power predict the outcome in a future. So whether it's predestination or whether it's the timelines theory, I think both are fun for science fiction to talk about, but they have very little to do with reality. Oh, they're entertaining. That's all that matters. Yeah. So there is the scientists I mentioned Sabine, the Huston Felter. It's a German theoretical physicist. Really like her. She's really cool. She does dorky funny, stupid videos. She sings. And she is actually one of the brightest minds in physics today. And she's goofy looking too. So you've got like a little bit of everything, but the reason I brought her up is that she had an episode which I'm looking for as we're speaking, but it's title was something like no aliens are not listening to your radio. Oh, why not? I'm listening to this stuff. It's, she goes through to using physics, believe it or not to explain a lot of pop physics and why it's wrong and why a lot of things that we assume are true in physics. And we attribute to physics are really just they're models built for non physicists to try and imagine something that businesses talk about mathematically. So basically a dumbing it down a little bit. Not just dumbing it down, but making it, I think a little more interesting to be sold to people. That's true. And she like, she really rags on string theory in general. She's on the other side of that whole argument. But she had a really good episode about flat earth and how how flat earth hypothesis is wrong, but it's not stupid. And then do you have a he should have an episode on 5g, everything you need to know about 5g. That was pretty good. Yeah. The only thing was most people turn it off, turn off the five GS because it's not really needed it's well, I agree with you from that now. I, my 4g on my iPhone had a hundred megs down and I dunno, 20 megs up or something four years ago. Right. What my speed at homeless faster. I've got a gig both ways, but I don't really need something more than a hundred megs on my phone. I'm not sure why there's this giant need for a whole new system other than to sell more iPhones. And that could be it. So apple are inspiring new phones in general. Yeah. Oh yeah. Apple spine. That's a fun topic. So now we're, this is, we're getting into politics here again. Apple spying through the phones, or maybe buying isn't quite the right word there. They're simply searching for pedophiles. Let's just be accurate about what they're doing. This is the initial program that they're talking about. And this is I think the epitome of something that's being done under the guise of something that everybody can agree with. Oh, don't you want to save the planet, Jean? Oh, don't you want to protect the children or kill Hitler right now they're doing this in the guise of we're just using this for this. And of course on the other arm, know, on the other side of the argument is everybody. And I think the eff is coming down on this side is Nina slippery slope. If you start looking for child porn on people's phones, then what's going to stop you from looking for X, Y, Z. Oh, yeah. Nothing of course. And especially nothing. When you get a subpoena for it from the government. Yes. Now you're showing, yeah, they have in the past now you're showing you can technologically do something so they can compel you with a subpoena under the power of law and prison to do it as well. Right. Then they've always claimed they didn't have the ability. So adding this, and that was their whole argument for we're not going to help the FBI break think corruption on iPhone because we can't, we like, we don't have the keys. And if we came up with a method to do it for the government, then that would show everybody that we can have a method to do it, which we don't because we don't have it. Right. But now that was their argument. Yes. And I think they're trying to obfuscate that a little bit with saying it's a hash, that's all, you're never, this is not looking at what's on your device. It's all going to be done locally. But that doesn't mean that doesn't make me feel well. That's even worse. If it's done locally, they're essentially using the CPU's on your machine that you own to do work for them. Yes. I never authorized that. Oh wait. That was a 27 page agreed to this before we can install, update. Wasn't there. Yeah. I guess I did agree to it because everybody does not use your phone. Yeah. You'd like to have that, right? Yeah. I think. Yeah, they can do anything they want, ultimately, in fact, south park episode, remember if for those of you that watch south park they had an episode about the the terms of service and Steve jobs. And there was something in there. I think it was the same episode that had the human centipede in it. Yeah. Yeah. That was, yeah, that was one of the more disturbing concepts. What was it? The serving movie, if you ever watched that movie, it's like, how did this get made weird? I get it. It's in the horror genre. You can make stuff that seems weird in the horror, but of all the different horror genre movies. That's the one you're going to make peace of Christ pushing the limits. It's not even pushing the limits. It's like a, literally a year old boys. What's the grossest thing. You can think of a fantasy. Yes. It looks extreme cruel, kinda nasty horror behavior. This is just gross. So yeah, it's the thing with hashing is I think when people that don't know what hashing is here, that they're just using hashes it's oh, okay as long as they're not getting up my real image, that's, it's like the term metadata or phone, right? We're not like recording. The phone call. We're just recording who you talked with for how long, where were you geographically located when you did it? Where's the other person geographically when you did it. And which, cells did you switch from one to the other, like everything around the phone call may actually have more interesting information about you then the contents of the call, right? Oh yeah. There's a lot of information being given. And of course, they'll tell you what we have to do this in order to guarantee the highest quality service. Yeah. Which is total bullshit, but yeah. And I, for one of them kind of looking forward to one of the satellites or I used to have a cell phone I use for a long time. And then it just became increasingly pain in the ass factor to use compared to a cell phone. Like it used to be that your sat phone was pretty similar to your normal phone in terms of features that just worked. And then the sat phones never moved at all from that, for the last 15 years, because it, like, why is most people only need them for emergency, reasons are, if you're either hiking or you're on the boat at sea, and there is no other phone to use. And which was, I used it on cruise ships and stuff. I use the, if I was somewhere where the phone signal was crappy in Europe or really off somewhere else, I was traveling. But. I've saw a little blurb that we are going to have a company that's doing kind of something similar to what Elon Musk's satellite internet is doing. They're going to be doing a satellite phone solution that is based on a much closer and cheaper satellite constellation than the current satellite phone devices like radium and the others that are out there. So we may have cooler more interesting feature of satellite phones before too long. Or maybe even not even phones, but just a little square box that you can carry with you. If you need to use the satellite does a phone and it'll just talk wifi or Bluetooth to your main phone, right? Yeah. So I think that is going to be coming soon, which is good because obviously if you make a phone call from satphone, there is no caller ID data that was sent. This could literally be coming from anywhere on earth. And so if you're getting a call on it, there is technically caller ID number, but that number is based on you. Not on them. It's good. It's always going to be a local number that you get pulled from. At least that's the way it used to work. So if I call somebody from the south. Whatever area code they were in was that's what my phone would show up at. That's weird. I was set up that way. Cause I, I didn't want the people calling me back on the saxophone, so I just used the local number for that. Makes sense. Yeah. So I don't know. I think privacy is just, it's not dead, but it's on its last leg, whatever privacy used to mean. Doesn't actually mean that anymore. Yeah, I think that has really gone down the aisle and a bacon dude's asking what the name of the chat client that I've been talking about was it's tox and that's what I've been using for probably the last few months, because my wife works out of the house, I'm in the house. So we would normally just be texting back and forth and because I'm lazy and I don't like texting from my phone, we were using a Google voice number and it's you realize that every message that you're sending back and forth that is analyzed and being logged by Google and all this other stuff. And it's don't want it. So I set up a tox client and set one up on her phone and now it just works. And allegedly there's no middleman and there's nobody that's monitoring all of that. And people that use, I know a lot of people use Facebook, Facebook messenger to talk to their family. Right. Yeah. Would you want to talk to your family? Why would you want to use Facebook? Those are two different questions. Some people may have similar answers for both. You don't like the Israeli technology spying on you with telegram or the Russians with signal. Right? That's exactly it's like always there's somebody in there that's and that's why the open source stuff, although the open source stuff can still be hacked. I'm sure there's ways to, if people really want your data, they'll figure out a way to get it. But it's like, why make it easy? A lot of people just use AF SMS for so many things. And you hear relatively all the time, people that are caught committing all sorts of heinous crimes where it's and then they got their text records and messaged people about this. And you like, you couldn't use SMS or any other messaging platform. There's this thing that people used to use that exists still exists. It's called a code. Yes. It's amazing how many people don't use codes. They just say shit type stuff. Exactly what they're trying to say rather than trying to escape it. We talked about that with the big honey. Network that was taken down, through Australia, through Europe, I think in the United States that the criminals that bought these devices thought they were so secure that they stopped speaking in code. And that's what took you down. Don't you get it? It's a hard market to sell into. If you're trying to sell to criminals and you're trying to sell some good tools into that market, it's like they, they have such a strong disbelief in anybody telling him the truth that they will go out of their way to not use something that's actually useful. Yes, no, I agree. And people are just dumb and they leave all sorts of evidence on their devices and it's yeah. Or worse yet when it comes to devices like apple, I bet you, there are a fairly high percentage of people that use the apple devices who have no freaking clue that their stuff is being backed up to iCloud, which is on by if you have enough stuff, it'll probably one month buy more. Yes. I'm more space. They want money at that point. Like your iCloud is filled. It's oh no, I don't want to buy more. But this is the first time a lot of people realize that all their data is going into the cloud where there is. Encryption protection on the iCloud stuff, which I always thought was interesting as well. So if you have evidence on your iPhone Apple's right, at least at that point that they couldn't break the encryption on your phone. But if the stuff was backing up to iCloud, they're like, oh no, here it is. It's don't use the cloud. And again, it's not to say that iCloud is stored on encrypt. It's absolutely encrypted. It's just that apple has the encryption key for iCloud and they don't have it for your phone. Yes. And that's a big difference, but I get what this whole latest hubbub that apple is doing. I get exactly what's going on and Apple's pushing it as this is to protect the children. And I don't know technically they're right. But what this won't pick up is if somebody is actually abusing a child and taking video and photo of it, whatever they're doing, that's not going to get tanned. That's not going to get fired. It is bullshitting. And it's just opening a door that doesn't need to get open, because if you're really looking at using ashes or impairing images, that means that they can only find images that they already have the hash of Stu. So the Apple's got the biggest collection of kiddie porn in the world now, right? Is that not the problem they're going there? They're going to compare everybody. Else's collections of kiddie porn with their collection of Getty porn to try and find matches. But what they're not going to be able to find are like you said, videos or images of new kiddie porn. So all the new stuff you're safe, you have apparently according to apple anyway, but all the old kiddie porn, they're going to be able to find. So this seems like it's actually pro new kitty porn, which I mean, apple, good, wait. Who's funding this right point in lobby apparently is behind this whole thing, which would make sense. Cause that's, that is the leads. They do enjoy their kiddie porn, and I didn't think that part of this whole thing was all that useful to begin with because of the way the hashes are working. The other part of this, I thought was much more concerning when it came to, if you set the account up, because if you have an apple iPhone and it's on a family plan, so if you have kids and they have an iPhone, you could set it up that this is a child's plan. And you can say, if they're under, I think 12 is the it's 12 and 18 are the cutoffs for their different plans. And if you have a child plan, which it was pointed out immediately by Tom Merritt, when I saw him covering this was so if you have an abusive husband who gives the wife the phone. He could just set her phone as well. This belongs to a 12 year old and what this is going to do, although I think it's only with people using apple messaging, which also makes it a lot less useful because there's a lot of different ways that people can send photos and video chat and all that other stuff than using Apple's direct apps. Although I'm guessing this kind of technology is going to snowball on the apple devices, but if somebody was using the apple messenger and it was marked as a child's account and they try to send a Dick back or picture of boobs, then the machine learning was going to be like, whoop. Nope, Nope. That's sexual organs, eyes not going to allow that. And it would warn the person that was sending it a receiving it. And do you really still want to send this? And if they did then send it, it was going to send a copy of it also to the parental unit whoever's on the record as the main account that phone is out. That kinda brings up another question. Cause I haven't really dug into this. It just didn't seem all that interesting. But if they're using hashes, then the limitation is they have to have the hash for each thing they're looking for. Yes. Which is using AI for image inspection. Yes. And they don't need the hashes, but then they're actually looking at the image data. Yes. Yeah. So if they have, so if it's the hashes, I don't know how useful it is other than finding old kiddie porn. Yes. Yeah. And if they're using AI, they're saying they're not doing it for image analysis, but my question is if they're using AI, how many parents are going to get flagged for having nude images of their kids running around the house, playing in the bathtub, doing whatever kids do. But often after thinking, it's hilarious to run around naked, that could certainly happen. And that is one of the fears. Now here, this is allegedly only going to affect the phones that are marked as a child's account to keep them from sending and receiving nude photos. But if the technology is there and it's looking for this, then yes, there's a, if you want to get into conspiracy theory, if you've got technology that's analyzing and looking for photos, that could be any porn, what better way to aggregate the newest, latest Guinea porn than to actually have a company do it on your behalf. As one of those wealthy leads, when they're harvesting the adrenochrome, they're harvesting everything. They're harvesting images, they're harvesting the blood, the dream, the crown they're harvesting everything because that's how you live for a long time. But it's very concerning that apple seemingly. Making this fork in the road here from, Nope. I don't have the ability. We can't give you any information off of anybody's phones. Hey, wait, we have this brand new technology. All right. And it's a hardware company just has no business doing that in the first place. That's my stance. That's just not a function that you need to provide. If you sell a hardware prop for a company, you can have we have the super clean OOS. That'll look through every one of your images. Okay. Fair enough. As a hardware company. That's it. Because part of this was, again, if the phone is marked as a kid's phone and they want to send a picture of whatever that gets flagged a copy of that goes to the main person on that account, which also then points out that the concept that their messages are all end to end encrypted is not really true because you find that those messages could be rerouted to somebody else. So that's not really encryption anymore. So it seems like everything they're doing is showing that you really shouldn't trust their apps anymore. And I don't know why they do is that because I don't think this is why I've been, sending all my stuff through signal lately steady of those. Yeah, that's fine. I, I, it's not a question of process. The question of making it too easy. Right. That's why the telegrams and signals and all those, have a certain amount of protection over using, your SMS app, because that you have like literally any email client in the world other than Gmail is safer than Gmail. That's true. I believe. Yeah. I think statistically it's true. Google might argue that they're just trying to ensure the highest quality experience for their users, but apple has just weird. It's weird. And it's does work if you use a product that is in very small user base, like that's a perfectly valid way to ensure a higher degree of safety because you're just staying off the radar. It's not a guarantee of 100% by any means, but it's better than being on the most commonly used product, though. Yes. And for people that know what they're doing, it's not hard to secure your own communications. This is where the argument comes in from governments. The bad guys of course are gonna use this and now we can't listen in on their calls, but it's find it another way because the privacy aspect, I think trumps most other things. You, you gotta remember that back years ago, not that many years, but some years ago that Phil Zimmerman of PGP was sued because he was shipping munitions out of the U S and because encryption software is defined as munitions, according to the U S code. So you're not even if you create it yourself, you're not allowed to export a software code that is providing encryption services. Now, I believe that's been amended at this point that now there, there is an allowance to do that. Right. But back when PGP for our surface that was not the case. And so encryption technology developed inside the United States, even by a private entity was not allowed to be shared with anybody outside of the United States for a long time browsers. Weren't allowed to have the same level of encryption abilities. That's right. Yeah. 1 28 inside. And what was it like? Can't remember what it was outside. Yeah. 56. Because they could break that easily and it's then it's not any protection at all. So don't use it because if you can break it, but you realize the only thing that's happened is the NSA got the ability to break 1 28. Yeah. So now all of a sudden, oh yeah, sure. Go ahead. No, we trust you guys. Now, all of a sudden you could use the full 1 28 anywhere. This is why you said Jean people need to learn how to still speak in code. You don't want to be like, Hey, here's a thought, how about a language other than English C that would do it too. For most that's all it takes makes it very hard. You don't even have to make up your own language. Just something now aren't familiar with yeah. Like Spanish. Right. Which, you would think, but the number of bilingual Americans, it's in the single digits and that includes working at agencies and I'm telling you I barely am functional with English and I know a lot of people make fun of our buddy CSB over on a no agenda, social, but he speaks like four or five different languages. And it's that's way more than I could ever even attempted. Yeah. Yeah, absolutely. You got to remember English is not his default language by any means. And his written English is perfectly fine. Yes. And hilarious with his little doodles. Yes. Yes. He has funny doodles. He has a somewhat bizarre sense of humor at times where I'm trying to figure out what if this is funny. Whereas one of this is just an insult or both, but if it's both, that's fine. But sometimes you're like, you can't find the funny in it. But in general I think, yeah, it's he has me. He's got a perfectly, let's put it this way. CSBs English is better than 99% of the American populations. Second language. Yes, no doubt. And what did I do have a few experts to thank for today's show, including CSP coming in at the$50 level, J Cody Cine 50 bucks with the note that says rip grumpy old Benz. Wow. Yeah. It's it's. It's just like when people send flowers to a funeral, I guess maybe J so thank you. So who's he intended that for, I don't know. He came into grumpy all bands, but it's I guess, know, should that payment be refused them if there's no such thing anymore? Or how does that work? I don't know. I'm guessing I still have to put together the the final payout to Ryan. This will still be split, because I'm fair and honest and maybe too much. And somebody on somebody's Twitter said I was too nice, but let's not take it overboard. I know. I'm like, you're you haven't been listening, but we appreciate that, Jay. And then coming in at 25 bucks all the way from the Netherlands, our buddy Blom came in with a little note. Hello, Pfizer. Biointech great news. That donation in your name of$25 have been made to the grumpy old Ben's podcast and shall be divided between the host Darren 33.3, 3% and Ryan 66.67%. Thank you for all the work you do love is lit. I'm guessing this was because on one of the last shows that I did with Ryan, there were a few people like our buddy truck driver who comes in with a donation and then says, split it between your three shows, this one random fans and the rock and roll pre show. Got it. So I think this was, Blum's thinking that Ryan deserved a little bit extra for his work and I'm not going to disagree with that. And then he does deserve extra. He's the one that had to do all these bands. He's exhausted from all genuine work and then Blom followed up with like shortly thereafter. Oh, I just listened to the previous episode where I heard Ryan pulled the plug. Sad news, hope you to get back together. So we appreciated Blom. I offered on the line. And this is a continuing thing in the short term here, if you sent in something and you didn't know that the show had been transformed now, or, if you wanted your donation back, let me know. We're certainly not in the position where we want to feel like, we're fleecing you and you gave to something that is no longer there or whatever, I'm going to still keep doing shows. I hope Jean will join me every now and then, I'd be happy to let you, we joined both of you guys individually or together. When when it's right, when the Ben rose speaker shows up, I totally will be a guest in there. Sure. That is in the pipeline. But speaking of CSP, he came in with 0.0 0 0 3, 3 Bitcoin, which was$15 and 27 cents. As of the beginning of today's show, because Bitcoin is going up and down. Damn it's falling CSB. And he asked me to mention the URL of his podcast and his blog, which he does a all of his doodles are up@comicstripblog.com. And you could view those cartoons and have a whole lot of fun. And I always get a kick out of what he's doing and he has a podcast. Believe it or not gene, but he doesn't talk. He sends a script to somebody who speaks at the guy's name's Griff. If you don't know, go AF and he speaks much better English than either one of you English it's the English accent makes it sound so much more, what's it, the that's a hell of a deal. And I was like, God damn, that's the CSB figured out something we all should have done a long time ago, outsource the speaking portion of the podcast. Yeah. That's not a horrible idea. And you can find the podcast he does, which is on AI. It's at ai.cooking, which, I think it's maybe genius that he got a domain that ends in.cooking rather than.com or anything. But he says, of course you can find that in any podcast player, app, and you should check it out, he does cover the world of AI and sooner or later, CSB will just be able to write in AI, that'll rebel to replace. Bemrose replaced me, replace you. And then the podcast, you just keep coming and we can be on a beach somewhere. It's not a bad idea. Exactly. Exactly. And every time I run into an interesting AI story or video, I always stag a CSB on no agenda, social on that. And then he'll usually reply with some snide remark about how that's all that's been done before. Gee, why don't you send that to me? No, it's old. Do not send me. Okay. I think you're morphing into Fozzie bear. It's a little fuzzy. It's a little Grover near. This is Grover far. I'm serious. No, it's got the, I know it's got to have a little more heft. Do I need to practice that? I need to have to be screaming and little bit. Yes, he does not like my shouty voice piece. Now he's talking to the shouty voice. It's just, sometimes you need that to get heard. It's what JCD calls the authoritative voice and which is why nobody will hire me according to JC D because it's everybody wants the little soy boy now, like now welcome. Let me talk to you about that. No, that's oh, you can totally pull that off if you can. It's again, I need practice, but also coming in today, Linda Surooney in at 15 bucks, Keith van Dyke, 10 bucks. He's been coming in for a long time. Loretta Rhett Vandenberg with 10 bucks, the people over at Patriot. And there are some, like you said, Manischewitz still sticking with us over there. Brian Janac with 10 bucks, Dennis Woods five, Steve McConnell, five, Steve E five, Mattie Chevys at five who says, keep on going, man. He's sticking with the show, whatever that may be. And Ray, Raymond Zorger came in with five bucks on PayPal with the note, please, Ryan, Bemrose come back. See Ryan has his fans. I consider myself a fan of Ryan. I always enjoyed arguing with Ryan and I'm sure my blood pressure has gone down though, Jean. Let me just say, given that it took me. Three months to get him on as a guest, I would not be surprised if he was on back on in three. Could be. It could just be the itch that he'll he'll want to scratch that. Yeah. I'll have him be a guest on the surgeon's speak episode that you're hosting. So a farm boy wants the soy boy to be the cold open. That's probably not a bad idea. And Brian Hall comes in at$2 and 93 cents. We do work on the value for value model, grumpy, old benz.com/donate for now. Again, everything is in flux to just understand that this name may go away at any given time. We may morph into something else. You should auction it off you, you own the domain, right? Could be, there's definitely a audience that is on the RSS feed something to like boner pills, salesmen. It's totally worth it. I'll take it to the guys over at who are these podcasts? Maybe Carl could use it. That might not be a bad idea, but just understand. We appreciate everybody's support everybody for listening. And I don't know where exactly we're going, but we'll figure it out here at some point with any of this stuff, Gail boaters might want their domain back. Just be like, yeah. Yeah. I thought it was the grand old boys or something like that. You don't boys. The good old boys. It's a good old blues brothers band. Wasn't that the, a bit from the blues brothers. Where are you? You're the good old boys. Yep. And then they went into raw hide while people were throwing bottles at them through the chicken wire, which is how it feels with the control room every now and then. Yeah. I will say to the house of blues in Chicago is nothing like that. Chicken wire place. No, it's very nice. The last time I was there, I saw uncle Ted Nugent and couldn't hear for a week. I would never go again without your plugs, because that was, why would you, I don't know. I was young and I was naive. Jean don't you catch it out. I'm still young and naive, but I want to thank you for hanging out with us. And people, should I still be sending them to sir gene.com or if they're only going to hear this now, Hey, the podcast is up and running, especially now that you're hosting. So absolutely sir, gene.com or podcasts that surging.com, like I said, I'd be more than happy to just pump my content over to your feed because that's the only way it's going to make it on the screen. It's undercover. It's just nobody will notice. Why, what is her Jean show go from a half hour to five hours long. The last steps of United together was about that long. So yeah. Yeah, they go because we bloviate, which is why we'll have you back on, I don't know if you want to do this on irregular weekly basis. If you need that kind of an outlet, I'm always here to listen. Sure. It is definitely easier doing these types of podcasts. I've said this before that I think that the reason there are so many dual hauls podcasts out there, contrary to what is be things. Hey, is it because it's easier to do one like that? Not harder, so more entertaining, I think. And I don't think it is, I think, no. I know you always said you liked random thoughts better than grumpy because it was more just because it was shorter just because of that, but it was on topic. It was topical. And I, I think that there's a greater amount of density of content in a single podcast or show. Then there is, and a couple of people yakking back and forth with each other. So your density is lower in a podcast with multiple hosts. So you pretty much have to listen to it like three X or four X. You talk slower than that. That's the problem with you? I absolutely do. Yes. So what the two of us on the show, the problem is that people really speed it up. You'll sound great, but I'll sound like Alvin and the chipmunks, and that's the point. And I do want to thank that. Just checked 99 people currently listening live on the stream. Wow. That's awesome. Normally at that 10th of my audience, damn, we'll see. That's good because that's about no agenda normally is pulling in about 2000 or so show at then there's about a half a million downloads to a million downloads. It's about the right percentage. And we appreciate everybody. Blue douche, sir. Omaha, sir. Matt, you foam boy, did you guru bull moose bully, Steed. And even you blueberry, we love you, man. Even though you want to argue with us all the time, try blue dash. We hope we're at least making these things entertaining, which I mean, I brought Larry on Monday and Larry and I, it's always a love Fest. I knew we needed a little bit more arguing and I we didn't even get that much today. We need to figure out a topic. We can argue you about gene. Sure. If that's the goal, I'm sure we can come up with something. I was just here to enlighten you mostly, and you did, and again, I don't want to give you too much of a compliment cause I know your head might not be able to take your ego. Might not be able to take that, but you gave us a lot to think about today and it is very much appreciated. So people, if they want to hear you. The bloviating without me, they go to it's a podcast.serjean.com. Is it's surging.com takes you there? I think podcasts, that surgeon gets your right to the subscription page. Yeah. Perfect. Otherwise again, you can send email to me and jean@serjean.com. That's also a thing you're brave and you're on no agenda. Social Jim, N G E N a no agenda social yet. And that's probably much better when you still on Twitter at all. Cause Twitter just seems no, I got banned from Twitter like three years ago, but you still have an account don't you or is it gone? No. Nice. It's if I can post what's the point of having an account, Jean, you are too hot for Twitter and now you're too hot for the no agenda stream, man. You are nuclear. That's a good topic. We'll talk about that next time. Perfect. Thanks gene. And thanks to everybody else. But until next time I am Darren O'Neill Kanji lie from a bunker deep in the middle of America, just outside of shy rack where I'd rather have a bottle in front of me than a frontal lobotomy. Bottom me. There you go. Perfect. And then this should play