Sir Gene Speaks

0027 Sir Gene Speaks Special - Interview Sir Saturday Knight

March 31, 2021 Gene Naftulyev Season 1 Episode 27
Sir Gene Speaks
0027 Sir Gene Speaks Special - Interview Sir Saturday Knight
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MOTU Pro Audio Mic 2:

Oh, this is sir gene and they I've got something a little special. I've got a guest joining me, sir. Saturday from the no agenda, social the most banned and blocked person on the agenda. Social. How are you doing today, bill?

MOTU Pro Audio TOSLink 1:

good. Good. How you doing

MOTU Pro Audio Mic 2:

I am doing good. I'm doing good. You know, after hearing Adam read the note from you last time and then having you just absolutely slamming me about something in my last podcast episode, I thought, well, I gotta get this person on because we're not going to hear anything from him. Cause everybody's banging him right now.

MOTU Pro Audio TOSLink 1:

Well, I actually, the reason why I'm blocked me, it wasn't because I said that John was just all about money, which is not what I said. I said John's a little bit the easy money

MOTU Pro Audio Mic 2:

Well that sounds like a compliment.

MOTU Pro Audio TOSLink 1:

Yeah, exactly. It's nothing wrong with easy money advanced me I didn't didn't block me because of that. He blocked me because I said, if I have a podcast, then no agenda. Won't be, won't be the best podcast in the medium version anymore. podcast would be. Yeah. So that's why he blocked

MOTU Pro Audio Mic 2:

So you challenged him on it now. I thought he said he blocked you because. You were being rude to John. That's what Adam was saying.

MOTU Pro Audio TOSLink 1:

John had blocked me already

MOTU Pro Audio Mic 2:

Yeah. So after

MOTU Pro Audio TOSLink 1:

no way I could have been doing, doing that.

MOTU Pro Audio Mic 2:

But that's what I mean is that Adam said that, well, here's the way that I remember it is Adam had gotten a note from you saying how much to get on the block from Jan the way the note was phrased, it sounded rude to Adam. And so he blacked her at that point. Now, is that not the way you remember it?

MOTU Pro Audio TOSLink 1:

No, John dam didn't block me for that. He blocked me because we earlier like a month ago or something like that. John and Adam were having conversations and it's kind of like the issue where John is saying, Hey, you're doing new shows affecting this show. Remember that with the MK ultra thing that they had a conversation about recently? Yeah, it was kind of like that where it's like, John is still like believing in the system and he's not able to like go over it, I think. Cause he's, you know, he's been around it so long and he kind of relies on it at this point. I think that's, what's happening is the show is getting to a point where Adam is kind of like, you know, into the second half of the show kind of realm where the whole thing is a bullshit con everything's kind of fake and bullshit in, in the society at this point. But John self is kind of, no, no, this is real still. And I think this is what's happening. And I kind of called John out on that and I kind of said, Hey, maybe this is your, you're an old guy. And this is kind of how you kind of go into this kind of space in society when you're kind of relying on this, on the system. And I think that kind of seeing that me and block me

MOTU Pro Audio Mic 2:

Oh, okay. So you don't

MOTU Pro Audio TOSLink 1:

was long time ago. So then after that, I said, Hey, I'm Adam, how did we get unblocked from John? You know how I'm starting to pay the kid in that? And he's like, you know, and he can't pay for that. And I'm like, Oh I thought John was all about easy money. And then I said, I think I could have a better podcast. And then that was when I got really a band.

MOTU Pro Audio Mic 2:

I see. Okay. Okay. So that's the sequence of events there.

MOTU Pro Audio TOSLink 1:

Yes,

MOTU Pro Audio Mic 2:

Got it.

MOTU Pro Audio TOSLink 1:

I'm bad boy.

MOTU Pro Audio Mic 2:

Yeah. Now you're still listening to the show, obviously, right?

MOTU Pro Audio TOSLink 1:

Oh, absolutely.

MOTU Pro Audio Mic 2:

Yeah. And then when did you start listening to the agenda?

MOTU Pro Audio TOSLink 1:

Oh, I'd say it was 2015.

MOTU Pro Audio Mic 2:

Okay. And then when did John block? You like 2006.

MOTU Pro Audio TOSLink 1:

Oh John Black me a month or so ago.

MOTU Pro Audio Mic 2:

Okay. So just recently.

MOTU Pro Audio TOSLink 1:

Yeah, just recently.

MOTU Pro Audio Mic 2:

Ah, I see.

MOTU Pro Audio TOSLink 1:

yeah.

MOTU Pro Audio Mic 2:

Yeah. So for anybody that doesn't know who the hell John and Adam are, I would be very surprised, but if you don't, they are the hosts of the no agenda podcast, which is really one of the longest running podcasts out there. That's still going I think in the 13th year right now. And and of course, one of the hosts is Adam Curry, who is the person that literally invented podcasting or he was one of the couple of guys that, that did it. And it is right now in the process of revitalizing redoing podcasting with podcasting 2.0. Which is a huge undertaking, but it's starting to pick up steam and it's a topic that I've certainly talked about on a couple of the previous shows,

MOTU Pro Audio TOSLink 1:

I think there's a mistake with the podcasting tupo on the older platform they're doing.

MOTU Pro Audio Mic 2:

Okay, great. Let's just get into that.

MOTU Pro Audio TOSLink 1:

Okay. The fact that they're on Bitcoin is a big mistake if he asked me

MOTU Pro Audio Mic 2:

Why is

MOTU Pro Audio TOSLink 1:

because because of the, the the, the fees for doing the transfer the fees are so high that there's no really way that the system could handle micro payments. You know what I mean? Like you need, you know, based on what they want to do. So every time you do a micro payment, it's going to cost you money. It's going to cost as much as the payment. I was on Binance recently. I had some Bitcoin and I wanted, it was only $25 a Bitcoin, and I wanted to send it to my Coinbase account and they couldn't because if he was going to be $25.

MOTU Pro Audio Mic 2:

Yeah. Yeah.

MOTU Pro Audio TOSLink 1:

So if I send it, I'll get anything

MOTU Pro Audio Mic 2:

Yeah, right now, if you want to use the actual Bitcoin network, the fee is substantial. And I talked about that in the last episode. If you're using the lightning network, then the fees are much more reasonable.

MOTU Pro Audio TOSLink 1:

work as was a sacred is kind of like two humps on the camel that Bitcoin needs to run as a truly at this point.

MOTU Pro Audio Mic 2:

Yeah. I

MOTU Pro Audio TOSLink 1:

think that's again, not great. And the fact that, you know, Bitcoin is owned by MasterCard and all these other little birds, I think they're going to get Bitcoin to go away. Cause they don't really, really control that. You know what I mean?

MOTU Pro Audio Mic 2:

Oh they don't control very much of it right now. That's for sure.

MOTU Pro Audio TOSLink 1:

Yeah. Kind of run the, so I think, I think any development on it and I think that's why development has been kind of great, not good on it because they just kind of said, screw it. We're not going to do micro payments with this. We're going to stick to being digital gold. And that's exactly why it can't be working for as a, you know, a payment network, you know, for micropayments

MOTU Pro Audio Mic 2:

Yeah. Well, I think it is working for micro pain is just fine, but I think your point is that it's expensive to transfer off of it. Yeah. So as long as you're not moving away from Bitcoin the the micropayments are fine.

MOTU Pro Audio TOSLink 1:

Okay. Well that's doesn't sound good either. see you have to be stuck in it.

MOTU Pro Audio Mic 2:

Yeah, but you could say the same thing about the U S dollar, as long as you're in the USR,

MOTU Pro Audio TOSLink 1:

Oh, that's why you get

MOTU Pro Audio Mic 2:

fees are okay. But if you want to shift to other currencies or gold than the fees start going up.

MOTU Pro Audio TOSLink 1:

Well, I think, yeah, I think I think the system might be well to be expanded to other systems like like an XRP maybe, or a like Ethereum slow too. That's a problem. I maybe card Danno, MI nano. I don't know.

MOTU Pro Audio Mic 2:

well, and for people that are just kind of getting into it give us a little background there and what's been your experience with crypto

MOTU Pro Audio TOSLink 1:

Well, I got into the scene kind of when it started, I have been deeper in the scene, but what actually happened was when I was working, I started a business with some people and these guys were all Mac guys. So they're all Matt guys. I should be a Mac guy. And that, the point that at that time, you know, Steve jobs was alive and the Macs were really cool machines. So we kind of all went on the Macs and stuff like that. So I, if I had a PC, I think I would have been more, I would probably would've been mining at the time, but since I wasn't a Mac, when you try to do the mining on the Mac, it had issues and stuff like that. Error, errors and stuff. Yeah. Fix them cause early in the scene. And I, I wasn't, I didn't have time to do that, so I didn't do any mining and I wish it did. I would say didn't buy the, the max. I wish I was on a PC at the time and I probably would have had way more Bitcoin. Most Bitcoin I had was like 15 Bitcoin. My experience in the industry was I started a website a while ago. It was called the daily hash rate. It was a Bitcoin onions say where it was just like. All made up stuff and I could see anything I wanted to, because I said it was like,

MOTU Pro Audio Mic 2:

so like fake news about Bitcoin.

MOTU Pro Audio TOSLink 1:

yeah, yeah, the crypto scene. And so I did that for a bed and then the Mo the bark it's so bottom out that wasn't, it wasn't fun to do anything about it because the industry didn't really look like it was doing anything because it was kind of stagnant. So I kind of dropped that site and that's and then from there I've been basically holding Bitcoin and trading it and trying to stack it up so I can get rich one day. And that's kinda my what I know about it. So

MOTU Pro Audio Mic 2:

got it. So you mentioned that at one point you had 16 Bitcoin,

MOTU Pro Audio TOSLink 1:

I had 15

MOTU Pro Audio Mic 2:

15, did you end up buying pizza with them or doing something stupid

MOTU Pro Audio TOSLink 1:

no, no, I did kind of do some stupid with it at the time I was going to buy a house and I wanted to make sure that. The money that I had in crypto was more of a safer bet. And I thought you know, it, it being a Bitcoin, any, any time the government could walk out and say, you know what, this Bitcoin thing is gone. We're not dealing with it at all anymore. And I figured if I went in and had all my Bitcoin and put it into something more of a safer crypto that did have like a company to behind and stuff. So I took my 15 Bitcoin and treated it for a thousand XRP. I'm sorry, not sorry, a hundred thousand XRP. So if you do that trade today, you can see how bad of a trade that was. It was like four years ago. So I can't really kick my ass over it too much. Cause it was a long time ago. But yeah, when I look at it, how much more, because I could you know, how much more XRP I could have traded into, if I did it today, it's really scary.

MOTU Pro Audio Mic 2:

Well, and the fun thing with Bitcoin, I think for a lot of people that kind of try to dip their toe in it, or really jumped into it full speed. In the early days is the stories is all the stupid shit people did from ordering pizza to buying. As soon as Amazon started selling gift cards that you could end up buying with Bitcoin. A lot of friends I know did that and did it at a much lower price point than where Bitcoin is today, obviously. And so looking back at the, just how little cash people actually pulled out of it, that's crazy. In my case I started mining Bitcoin way early in the first few years, probably 12, 13 years ago. And my experience after billing well taking an old PC, essentially repurposing, it was that I ended up with 40 Bitcoins over about a month of mining. And then I think at that time four Bitcoins with where it was worth like 30 cents or something. I looked at like, Did the math for my electrical bill. And I said, well, this is bullshit. This is just a scam for the electric company. This isn't making any money. I'm not even breaking. Even I'm paying more for electricity and mining this stupid shit. And that was the end of my Bitcoin mining experience. And didn't touch it much, much, much later when I actually started buying it. But it was you know, looking back had I had, I kept mining at least a hundred Bitcoins and then put them somewhere and didn't touch them. Things would be quite different for me right now.

MOTU Pro Audio TOSLink 1:

Yeah, I hadn't, I knew a guy who had some new phobic coin. He sold it off for $75. It it's it, you know, it's, it's, it's kind of where you can't really beat yourself up over it. It's like I was, I was on the auction site yesterday and I saw that they're selling super Mario brothers, the first video game, the first, the Nintendo super Mario from the, any ass they're selling it for $200,000 in like the packaging and stuff. Like it's all wrapping and stuff. But you know who the hell was going to buy all these Nintendo cards and hold them for all these years just today, one day get, you know, $200,000, you know, you know, it's, it's hard to keep stuff

MOTU Pro Audio Mic 2:

Well, I frankly

MOTU Pro Audio TOSLink 1:

many years.

MOTU Pro Audio Mic 2:

I don't know who the hell would pay $200,000 for one of those today, either. That seems like stupid, but

MOTU Pro Audio TOSLink 1:

there's so much stupid money at there, you know? And so saying to people like you don't know how much money swimming out there and how much people have, and they have so much of it, they can afford to be dumber than you could. And, you know, they can do things that you would never do by dumb things that you know, who cares because it's nothing to them. And it's really scary how, you know, there's a lot of people who are poor as hell and they don't have any money at all. And then you've got these guys who have it all, and it's really, it's really, it's really weird.

MOTU Pro Audio Mic 2:

Well, I think it kind of tells you that there really is a certain point in terms of earning capacity or at least in terms of having wealth where every basic need that you have is taken care of. And now you start looking around for dumb things to spend money on that are just purely things to make you unique. I think that's the main thing, like what do you really get when you own one of, one of something? Well, you get to be the only person on the planet that has that one thing which is also why I think we've seen a rise in NFTs, which is another phenomenon that I just have to scratch my head around. It's like, what are you exactly buying? You're getting the digital ownership of something that you're, I guess you can sell that ownership, but you're not like making money off that thing. You can't make reproductions of that thing. You just have the rights to that one particular thing.

MOTU Pro Audio TOSLink 1:

Have you heard of decentral land at sea it's? You remember that movie? Where did ready player one? This is kind of an attempt at that. So imagine pretty clear run and it's running on the theorem.

MOTU Pro Audio Mic 2:

Okay. Give me more

MOTU Pro Audio TOSLink 1:

So I have, I have land in this December the central land. So in this virtual space, I have a plot of land that I can actually rent out to people. So for there was a business and they had an online clothing store.

MOTU Pro Audio Mic 2:

have this like 20 years ago, maybe not quite that far back. But it was called second life

MOTU Pro Audio TOSLink 1:

Yeah,

MOTU Pro Audio Mic 2:

both Adam and I were on that thing. And I had a casino that I was running. I think Adam had a sex shop or something. And it, it was interesting because that was the first time something like that had been built,

MOTU Pro Audio TOSLink 1:

Yup.

MOTU Pro Audio Mic 2:

but I don't know about you. So where you on it, you know what I'm talking about, right?

MOTU Pro Audio TOSLink 1:

I wasn't on that, but there was actually an earlier one you ever heard of active worlds? It was just like a second life, but it was like earlier and it was like some kind of idea of like a virtual world.

MOTU Pro Audio Mic 2:

Yeah. Yeah. And the idea of sort of, Hey, let's use land as a metaphor for digital has been around, we had geo cities. If you remember those where, you know, you had streets and you had neighborhoods and it was just websites and just website hosting, but the way that they sort of packaged it, made it seem like you have actual neighborhoods out there. Which is, you know, I guess it's neat and allows people to better understand in a different context, what you're trying to do. If they're not really familiar with the. Digital stuff in general but I think the NFTs are a little different though, because here you're talking about they're not even like game assets. So if you're playing a video game or like a digital life and you have in game stuff, like for example, I used to play Eve online many years ago and I stopped playing Eve online when I had a very leg ship destroyed and then Eve online anytime you lose a ship, but it's a real loss. Like you don't get it back in like video games. And the value of that ship was about 1800 us dollars. So it's a totally digital asset. You know, it brought no real world value, but it certainly brought plenty of enjoyment value to me, I dunno, about $1,800 worth. And I didn't pay $1,800. I used in game money for it, obviously, but if you were to trade it on the. Trading market for real world dollars. That was about the value of the ship. But I got to use it, so I actually was able to derive something out of it. If you buy a print of some piece of art, I guess it wouldn't be a print. If you'd buy the digital version of some piece of arts that you can say you own now. There's no difference between you only it and having an image of it as your background on your computer or me just having a background of it on my computer.

MOTU Pro Audio TOSLink 1:

I think what people aren't thinking about is the use of the object in the system that we're talking about. So if it's an Ian as Eve online and you have a ship, you can have the ship as a token. And he could send that ship to someone else. They can have ownership on it. I think that's also getting into the fact that there's going to be creativity coming into, you know, clothing in these apps and these worlds and stuff. And, you know, you'll be able to make a dress in 3d and then have an F and F T for it. And there's, that's the only version of this dress. And then, you know, people wear it and you know, I, I th I think it's this thing where we're getting back to the dumb money thing, where it's people have dumb money, they can afford dumb shit. And, and you know, it's just like those apps that they had where it's like, this is the most expensive app in the app store. It costs a thousand dollars and you download it and you open it and it shows you a Juul. And that Juul tells people that you have the most expensive app in the app

MOTU Pro Audio Mic 2:

yeah, no I get the buying part. I'm just saying with the empties, the way they are right now essentially people are paying money to have the signed version of something that is identical to other digital versions of that same thing.

MOTU Pro Audio TOSLink 1:

I, well, I think that that's where, you know, it gets into who made it. It's just like real life. You know, you can have these begs by coach, but they ain't going to China and you always fake ones.

MOTU Pro Audio Mic 2:

There's a little bit of a difference here. You're basically buying the you're buying the coach bag and you're paying a hundred thousand dollars for it instead of $2,000. And everybody else is just paying 2000 and it's the same damn bag, but yours has a, you own the original NFT version of this tag. That's really literally the only difference.

MOTU Pro Audio TOSLink 1:

well, I th this gets into the ownership too. And I think like, a good example might be something like album that they came out with that was like one album only. And they sold it to that. Guy that evil a stock market guy. Well, they sent the, basically gave him the rights to the audio as well. So he has this, and now he can either not release it or he can release it and make the money from releasing it.

MOTU Pro Audio Mic 2:

Right. And so that is totally different though, that I've not seen a single story talking about an NFT that contains reproduction rights. Oh, I think all the

MOTU Pro Audio TOSLink 1:

this is the future of crypto. This is you know, when we're talking about, you know, and if TIF your house. So instead of having it so that you have to go through lawyers and, you know, a housing guy and all this other bullshit, you basically get an NFT that overall just says, Hey, if you had this, you own the house. So I think, I think that's the kind of future of it. And we're getting in

MOTU Pro Audio Mic 2:

again, this is a 200 year old concept. We have the thing called bearer bonds where, where the physical ownership of the paper means that you have the right to the thing that the paper is describing. So it's a. I think there's a lot of hype and a lot of excitement just about being able to do something. And there's a, like, you're calling a dumb money out there willing to back all this excitement though, because if you're buying reproduction rights from some piece of art, it doesn't matter what it is. Doesn't even have to be art, but some thing, if you're not just buying a quote unquote limited digital version, which is what literally a hundred percent of the LFTs that I've seen people buying are, but you're buying the reproduction rights. That's totally different. And whether you use the NFT for that, or whether you just use a paper contract or an e-sign contract to buy reproduction rights, that's like an investment because now you can go back and you can actually make your money back by promoting this thing and then selling it to other people. But maybe you've seen more of them than I have. Maybe you've seen it, but I've just not seen people buying and FTS that include reproduction rights.

MOTU Pro Audio TOSLink 1:

Oh,

MOTU Pro Audio Mic 2:

that are just like a one-off thing.

MOTU Pro Audio TOSLink 1:

I it's like I'm saying, we're we early into the scene and people are just learning about this idea now, like five years or three years ago, I bought land on the central and no one was talking about this as being, you know, anything big, you know, deal ICO's were the thing that people were talking about. So now it's an iffy thing. It's the new idea. And I think the idea is going to get out there and it's going to, you know, become something else. You remember? Crypto kitties. Oh, okay. Crypto kitties was Cat's on the blockchain. And you could take two cats and have the mate that have a new cat that has bits of each cat in it. And every time you do that, that cat is on the blockchain.

MOTU Pro Audio Mic 2:

That's a neat idea. I could see that as a proof of concept thing. That's, they're actually doing

MOTU Pro Audio TOSLink 1:

th they did this and you could buy the cats and stuff. And then the idea is you could take these cats and have them hooked into some kind of app, like a Pokemon kind of idea. So you had the cat fight and based on the stats that the cats have, you know, they fight differently and I kind of thing.

MOTU Pro Audio Mic 2:

better and better cats.

MOTU Pro Audio TOSLink 1:

Yeah. Yeah. And so this idea has been kind of executed, and that was kind of part of the reason why I was not a big fan of Ethereum because this crypto casing came out and it was hot and immediately everything in theory crashed because they couldn't handle the kind of transmissions of people trying to buy his cats. So that again, there's a scaling issue on Bitcoin on 3m and they keep saying it, fix it and you don't hear anything about it. But I think the crypto crank Kitty's idea is the antithesis of the idea of why you wouldn't want a digital asset has the has special abilities that maybe no one else could have, because they don't have that. But it's, it's kind of just like the evil, anything you're talking about.

MOTU Pro Audio Mic 2:

And,

MOTU Pro Audio TOSLink 1:

so I think it's just,

MOTU Pro Audio Mic 2:

yeah, I guess the differences right now. And when I say, and I've T non fungible token, what most people think of is essentially a web address, really. It's, most of what most of them are, is an address of something that is a digital asset that is being assigned to and on the blockchain. Once you purchase that thing as a concept of using blockchain for just any kind of contract, that's always been the main benefit in my opinion, because it's just an evolution of a contract that is it combines the best aspects of a contract and allows you to do it quickly and easily and cheaply for anything. But it, you know, like you mentioned the house, it's a great example. When you're buying a house, you have to sign about 80 documents for one house. And each one is just some little bit of somebody getting a piece of your money. It's to the point where you literally have to hire a person to go through your closing of all the documents on that day. And then that person sends you a bill as well, just for basically flipping a book of contracts and then, you know, being available to answer question on what the hell you're signing to a lesser extent when you're buying a car you end up signing, not just one document, but usually five or six different documents that each take care of some aspects. So having all of that done on a system that's, you know, non-repudiation will a system that is a lot. Easier and faster and, and has the public public access available. So you could verify the ownership on the blockchain, like all of that for any contract makes sense. I'm just stymied by some of the things that people are doing with crypto. That seemed to be, it's almost like people are avoiding doing things that would be beneficial in order to do things that are neat.

MOTU Pro Audio TOSLink 1:

well, I think that, I think again, I think it's way early and I think another problem is a lot of laws. Aren't

MOTU Pro Audio Mic 2:

10 years

MOTU Pro Audio TOSLink 1:

a lot of laws for crypto itself, but this is kind of the next thing on crypto. And it's just, you had to feed the public slowly. You can't just like you're renting you. Everyone's on crypto. Now what we are, we're still not even on crypto. Most people don't know where Bitcoin is or you know, that kind of thing. That may be all people don't pay. I don't know. Anyway, but, but I think an initiative that's going to STEM from all this at the end of the day is you know, imagine, you know, what happened with the blue colors in America and in North America, imagine a similar thing happened to white collars. Cause all these jobs that the guy, the guy that's, you know, doing these contracts, you're talking about, you know, all these people are connected to that

MOTU Pro Audio Mic 2:

me.

MOTU Pro Audio TOSLink 1:

Yeah,

MOTU Pro Audio Mic 2:

that guy.

MOTU Pro Audio TOSLink 1:

And now all these people are going to have a job because they've been replaced by a token. So

MOTU Pro Audio Mic 2:

yeah, but you know, someone's going to have to walk them through the tokens too.

MOTU Pro Audio TOSLink 1:

well, that's what the, that's what the wizard form is for on the website.

MOTU Pro Audio Mic 2:

Yeah, well it's

MOTU Pro Audio TOSLink 1:

step.

MOTU Pro Audio Mic 2:

yeah. Yeah. And there's a lot of them. And I I'll tell you, you know, now that I've got my own Bitcoin node set up the learning curve on this shit is steep. If you want to do it yourself.

MOTU Pro Audio TOSLink 1:

Oh yeah. Big time. Yeah.

MOTU Pro Audio Mic 2:

And I think while certainly. I'm very happy that there are people out there that that are, have documented what they've done and they'll have recorded some videos on YouTube. So it's certainly better than nothing, right? You're not going into totally blind, but it's still like contradictory information, different version numbers, all this stuff to where you really, it's not about, it's not about understanding contracts or money. It's about understanding tech. That's the bottom line right now. And I think that's probably one of the factors that needs to be overcome by Bitcoin for it to become sort of mass accepted or not just Bitcoin, but crypto in general, but certainly the best known of the bunch is Bitcoin. That's the one that's got the most PR

MOTU Pro Audio TOSLink 1:

I feel like Bitcoin I there's a Bitcoin is kind of the dreamers coin. It's it was the idea of let's get away from the government, screw them. They're screwing us, Molly, get our own currency. We'll need them. The thing is though this, these issues that we're talking about with it being hard to use and that kind of thing and it's being expensive, all these other things we're talking about, I think that's gonna make it so that people aren't. Th the other thing is people don't care. No. I told you what were Baker Bitcoins, check this out. It's awesome. The getaway from the government, they don't care. I don't know anyone that really buy any. No one gives a shit and even though they could have made money on investing, they just didn't. And I think people don't care about this system as much as we like to think they do. And I think at the end of the day, you're going to see something like a big XRP was doesn't have these, you know, issues of having nodes and having, you know, whether or not it's good to transfer speed or whatever. It's these smooth, all that on, on, on, on XRP. And I think it's that the day they're going to get, you know, legal clarity and they're going to just win it because no one really cares how the money moves. All they want to know is if they got the check, you know, and they get the money in the bank and that's kind of all they care about. They don't seem to care about the backend of it. And I think at the end of the day, something like extra P is going to like, just blow through Bitcoin where it's going to be like a Napster. In between torn kind of thing, where it's like, no one gives a shit about an action anymore. Cause you know, the government could walk in and regulate it if they wanted to.

MOTU Pro Audio Mic 2:

well, XRP is obviously main advantage is the speed that you're talking about seconds. Which, you know, right now you'd have to be on the lightning network to see that with Bitcoin. But but XRP is also been around for like nine years. So it's not it's not a brand new, Hey, we've got a solution to everything. So Why hasn't it made a bigger impact? Why hasn't it become the dominant means instead of, you know, either Bitcoin or just a whole slew of alternatives from Ethereum to whatever the coin of the month is. Because it has been around for about nine years,

MOTU Pro Audio TOSLink 1:

I, I think it's because of legal, legal clarity on it. And you know, it's been under a lawsuit threat for over three years now or something like that. Like the sec lawsuit it's under right now, that would only, only started in late January this year. Extra P was under like a issue of whether or not it's a security in another lawsuit for like three years or something like that. So people were like scared of it. And I think what's happening is this, this loss of gender now, you know, they don't doesn't look like the case is very good for the sec. And I think they're going to just go, Hey, I'm gonna settle. And I think after that, you're gonna see more people talking about it because the banks will build out to use it. And no one's talking about it now because also the idea behind Bitcoin was to get off the system that they want us on. And, you know, Bitcoin's been knowing that you've people saying that for years, what they coin and no one's really, really run into it. Not on a level of normal people every day. It seems like it's only a set of speculators who jumped on it. So I think it's this kind of thing where it's like the, the, the politics around it have kept it kind of down. And I think maybe they're not, you know, shutting out a bit, a lot, like, you know, no one is, you know, going on marketing ripple so much or extra P story. So I think it's that those reasons that have kind of kept it down. But the thing with, with XRP and Bitcoin is Bitcoin does need a big network of a lot of computers, you know, mining and running all the time. And you know, trying to kind of owns the show on the mining of Bitcoin. So if they decide that Bitcoin's not saying that it's in their interest to run anymore, what happens to the network.

MOTU Pro Audio Mic 2:

well, yeah, but you do have two different components there. You've got the Bitcoin nodes for doing the transactions and then you've got the miners that are really separate for creating the Bitcoins, which is going to come to an end now sooner than later, because there's, I believe less than 10% left

MOTU Pro Audio TOSLink 1:

And also trying to own most of the Bitcoin, like all the Bitcoin and a lot of, and a lot of Bitcoin cash, you know? Well, most of it

MOTU Pro Audio Mic 2:

Well, that's been the rumor. I don't know if that's

MOTU Pro Audio TOSLink 1:

because they have no electricity, you've been, they've been using it on the whole time. Cause it's, you know, some desires from them. So yeah, I think they're going to look at extra and how they can run extra P nodes on a, on a computer. That's basically a mail server. And they're going to say, well, because this is cheaper and we, we know we can have a computer building we're running this and who knows what's happening in China, you

MOTU Pro Audio Mic 2:

Yeah, well, and that's, I think one of the, like, I totally understand why Bitcoin was originally set up into an increasing complexity of mining to, to create this sort of a stretch out the, the duration that it would take to mine a hundred percent of it. It totally makes sense, but I've always kind of only half jokingly said, well, this is actually a perfect, perfect little system for electrical companies around the world to invest in something that progressively requires more and more electricity. Imagine if you bought a computer and your computer power supply required more power. Every six months of ownership. So you buy it, it's running, it's taken 150 watt. Everything's fine. Next month it needs 200 watt. So your electric bill goes up next month needs 250, and this progressively keeps increasing until it's sucking in more juice than any other appliance in your house. And that's kind of what we've seen with Bitcoin is that another way to look at the value of Bitcoin is in terms of how many kilowatt hours does each Bitcoin actually cost?

MOTU Pro Audio TOSLink 1:

Yes. And

MOTU Pro Audio Mic 2:

is that contributing to the value? And I think it has to be in some respects.

MOTU Pro Audio TOSLink 1:

I think it did at one point, I just think was it about the power of, that was something I was going to say about

MOTU Pro Audio Mic 2:

there's no such thing as free power. A lot of people, like I know in China on the inner Mongolia. They're using wind power. They're also using a lot of dams that are generating electricity for, for mining. And it's not just Bitcoin, but a lot of it is Bitcoin. So it's quote unquote free power, but it's not really free power. It's kind of like saying wind powers, free power. Oh yeah. Except for the cost of the windmills and the cost of the windmills is substantially higher compared to the amount of power they put out compared to the cost of a, say, coal power plant, which puts out way more power for the same cost of a it. It's not quite free. Even if you stick it on a geothermal or a damn electric generator system, or even the wind power, anything there's still costs involved with it. It's just reduced costs compared to just sticking it, you know, on a consumer grade power grid.

MOTU Pro Audio TOSLink 1:

Yes. I had a point I was going to see about this power issue. Yeah. Shit. I lost my train of thought. Yeah, sorry. The, the Bitcoin itself and the China connection is freaky. And then shit, I forgot to say.

MOTU Pro Audio Mic 2:

well, I don't think the China thing is limited to Bitcoin though.

MOTU Pro Audio TOSLink 1:

No, no, it's a bunch of stuff. Yeah.

MOTU Pro Audio Mic 2:

Yeah. It's just crypto in general. There's nothing to prevent a country from just saying, well, we're going to do it on a country basis. Could be the U S doing it too. It's extremely unlikely. He was government would do it, but it could theoretically any country in the world could literally just set up a national mining operation for whatever coin of the month is. And then essentially build up a huge amount of those coins in a short amount of time, because obviously a government competing with an individual is. Not a contest and even competing with lots with fairly large companies that, unless you're talking about the behemoths that we have in the U S here most companies are not going to be able to tackle even the small countries, government you know, operation for mining. Yeah, it is a concern. If you have some countries like China that have it in their national policy to to take advantage of cryptocurrencies and then other countries, don't, it's almost kind of like a financial arms race

MOTU Pro Audio TOSLink 1:

Oh, big time. I remember what I was going to say. I was going to say your, your, you kind of said this up about the issue of the, the output of the Bitcoin network was supposed to be limited and kind of doled out or time based on the mining. Right? Well that whole thing also got kind of screwed up because I guess Tosha didn't know what was going to happen, but you know, the whole video card thing that happened where it's like, they're just using these my, you know, video cards just be crazy miners. So the question is, has this super mining thing that's kind of happening kind of screwed up the whole output thing where it's like, are we getting too much of it at one time? And all of a sudden things gonna crash because that wasn't the plan for Bitcoin. When it said he thought it was going to at least Toshi thought it was going to be like every five years. And now maybe it's every two years or something like that, where they're

MOTU Pro Audio Mic 2:

Well, that's just a mistake on the prediction. I think

MOTU Pro Audio TOSLink 1:

So do you think that's going to affect the PR like everything on the net? Like,

MOTU Pro Audio Mic 2:

I don't think

MOTU Pro Audio TOSLink 1:

they didn't think that was going to happen and all of a sudden, Hey, look, we have all these coins that we didn't know we're going to have. And now, know, all these Chinese people have these all lot

MOTU Pro Audio Mic 2:

short term, it would lower the price of Bitcoin, but obviously the price is still going up. I think we're up almost a hundred percent. Well, actually I think, well, the one thing I don't know, I can't remember the, how much we're out, but we're up a lot and we're up at least 40%

MOTU Pro Audio TOSLink 1:

a $58,000 right now

MOTU Pro Audio Mic 2:

it's. Yeah, I thought it was 55 ish a couple of days ago, but it was it's up like 40% in the last two and a half, three months. So it's up, it's still going up in general with the daily fluctuations obviously, and none of this is financial advice obviously, but the thing that I want to I guess say as far as the increase in mining speed is while it was originally, I think, intended to be drawn out over many, many years. The only thing that mining faster is doing is it's temporarily should be decreasing the price of Bitcoin. I really hate to agree with max Kaiser because he has,

MOTU Pro Audio TOSLink 1:

yeah, Stacy. Yeah.

MOTU Pro Audio Mic 2:

don't do that. It's the most annoying voice in the world. And

MOTU Pro Audio TOSLink 1:

Oh, he's weird. He's a weird fucker.

MOTU Pro Audio Mic 2:

a totally weird fucker. His

MOTU Pro Audio TOSLink 1:

she used to be hot and then she's hit a wall or something. She looks old all of a sudden

MOTU Pro Audio Mic 2:

Yeah. I never could imagine her looking hot, but,

MOTU Pro Audio TOSLink 1:

imagine them having sex. Oh, Stacy and diet.

MOTU Pro Audio Mic 2:

Yeah. That's not a place we want to go, you know, scare everybody off the damn podcasts. But,

MOTU Pro Audio TOSLink 1:

he'd love it for Christmas.

MOTU Pro Audio Mic 2:

what I was going to say is I have to agree with max because I do think Bitcoin will be at a million dollars. I think that it will hit that now whether it stays there and keeps going further up, whether it stays in hovers, whether it goes back down, I don't know, but I have made a few private bets that say that Bitcoin will hit a million dollars. So it's just a matter of time.

MOTU Pro Audio TOSLink 1:

I thought it was going to as well, but I think, I think this sec thing with ripple, have you ever heard, have you heard of the case, like deals?

MOTU Pro Audio Mic 2:

I have not, no, I've,

MOTU Pro Audio TOSLink 1:

There's a weird thing where they're in court in this case. And ripper went and said, Hey sec, like why, why did you make Bitcoin and Ethereum kosher and, and working with the government. But next year, P like w what was, what happened, why that happened? And they're like, can we get some of the documents that, you know, made you make this decision and ripples? And this is she's like, no, we don't think we should give you those documents. So at the end of the day, the se this case with ripple they might expose the fact that the American government wasn't shouldn't have made Bitcoin and Ethereum you know, not, not securities. And you might see something where it's like we have, and if Trump comes back, which I hope that in April 1st, there was some kind of movement showing that maybe he is running a shallow government under, you know, buying.

MOTU Pro Audio Mic 2:

Oh God, you're not one of those cute people. Are you

MOTU Pro Audio TOSLink 1:

dude, I'm wearing a fucking and shirt.

MOTU Pro Audio Mic 2:

What, which is what,

MOTU Pro Audio TOSLink 1:

that's the, the board that Q one's on. It's not a 10 anymore. They, they disbanded and started Yes. So yes. So I'm a I'm major. Cute hard.

MOTU Pro Audio Mic 2:

okay, so basically everything you've said today, we can just discard because it's just

MOTU Pro Audio TOSLink 1:

No, there's still, there's still a thing in, in, in security and SDC and ripple during court. Right now, this is not bullshit. And what I'm saying is maybe a little bit versus a decision on Bitcoin and say, you know, we didn't, or especially if someone like Trump comes in and says, you know what, the Bitcoin thing has been run by China and when they can get rid of Bitcoin could happen. And then all of a sudden

MOTU Pro Audio Mic 2:

and it doesn't really matter if the us gets rid of it. It's

MOTU Pro Audio TOSLink 1:

they didn't get rid of it. Yeah, sure. They can.

MOTU Pro Audio Mic 2:

no, they can't.

MOTU Pro Audio TOSLink 1:

Yeah. Lake where, like I said before, no one gives a shit people that do business. Don't give a shit about Bitcoin,

MOTU Pro Audio Mic 2:

they don't give a shit, but my point is it's out

MOTU Pro Audio TOSLink 1:

So they won't accept

MOTU Pro Audio Mic 2:

the world.

MOTU Pro Audio TOSLink 1:

And the rest of the rule rule.

MOTU Pro Audio Mic 2:

And even if you just treat it as a collectible, even if you just treat it as something that you can't go out and buy a pizza for which incidentally as of today you can pay for literally anything with Bitcoin because PayPal will do the conversion automatically starting today. So you can use Bitcoin in PayPal and they will let you pay for anything that accepts PayPal for payment.

MOTU Pro Audio TOSLink 1:

yeah, because the government allowed them to do that. And then one day they're going to say, you know what, we shouldn't do that because we're the government. We can flip our decisions, all we want. And that's what they do.

MOTU Pro Audio Mic 2:

Well, I know, but my point is that it's too pervasive. So even if, and I don't think it would ever happen, but let's say for some reason, the U S decided that to take an anti Bitcoin stance. It's too late for that. I think if they could have done it a few years ago, At this point, I don't think they could, but even if they did, it's just out there in too many countries in too many people's private hands for it to just go away.

MOTU Pro Audio TOSLink 1:

well, I think that's maybe part of the reason why they got PIP PayPal and on Coinbase kind of sucking out of the Bitcoin from people because maybe they're trying to get most of it in their hands. then, then they can have the government come in and say, Oh, we're not having this anymore. And all those Bitcoins on those servers, trash them.

MOTU Pro Audio Mic 2:

Yeah, but it doesn't matter. It doesn't matter who says what it's like having beanie babies, which is John's little comparison, which I kinda like if I have a bunch of beanie babies and the us government says you can't trade beanie babies anymore, it doesn't mean that my beanie babies going anywhere. And it doesn't mean they lose any value. They might lose temporary value just from a liquidity standpoint, but they're not going to lose value. From a ownership standpoint. And I will still find people in Europe that want to train and meeting babies. We'll just, you know, call them something else when we're emailing each other. It doesn't really matter.

MOTU Pro Audio TOSLink 1:

It does, it does you know, the, the, the money that the people use is the money that's being you know, guarded by the guns. So the government has the guns and they just say what the money is, and that's the money you use. And that's exactly why I got an extra P because I figured. You know, no, one's got guns over a Bitcoin and the people don't care about it. They had chances, you know, for, to get their own Bitcoin and didn't care.

MOTU Pro Audio Mic 2:

Well, and ultimately it doesn't really matter in general because a Fiat currency doesn't have anything behind it, either. So Bitcoin or any other coin could be used for transactions, even if its value is not inherent. Because that's what we're using right now. That's what we've been using for over 50 years

MOTU Pro Audio TOSLink 1:

well, they're saying the idea for big XRP is a, it might be one of these things where the government says, okay, the central bank could use XRP to make it go between from governments and stuff. And they might do something like, okay, we're going to peg it to gold.

MOTU Pro Audio Mic 2:

Yeah, no, one's going to do that these days though, because there hasn't been gold for many, many years,

MOTU Pro Audio TOSLink 1:

Pega to gold, you know, actually make it, you know, bagpipe, but we'll just say pay it's paid to the price of

MOTU Pro Audio Mic 2:

but that's, that doesn't mean anything. That statement doesn't me. Anything in what

MOTU Pro Audio TOSLink 1:

it for oil. They did it for oil,

MOTU Pro Audio Mic 2:

In what

MOTU Pro Audio TOSLink 1:

us dollars, us dollars.

MOTU Pro Audio Mic 2:

gold is irrelevant. You're just pegging it to your us dollar then.

MOTU Pro Audio TOSLink 1:

No, I'm just, no I'm saying XRP paid the, the gold, just like they pegged the dollar to the oil. Cause that's just the illegal decision. They make that up on

MOTU Pro Audio Mic 2:

Yeah, exactly.

MOTU Pro Audio TOSLink 1:

law in and they had the guns to make it, so you have to do it. And then that's the currency.

MOTU Pro Audio Mic 2:

but my, okay, so this, this brings up a point I've been making here, which is that has Bitcoin actually been going up in value or has the U S dollar simply been going down in value?

MOTU Pro Audio TOSLink 1:

Oh, this is us dollars going down in

MOTU Pro Audio Mic 2:

yeah, us dollar is going way down in value very quickly. It's being printed. Like there's no tomorrow the presses are running over time too, to print more dollars and get them out. And as we know, it's unlike Bitcoin, the us dollar is not a fixed limited number. The us dollar varies up and down, but mostly up and that's where inflation comes from.

MOTU Pro Audio TOSLink 1:

okay. So XRP has a limited number of extra peas that are out there and they pick it the gold.

MOTU Pro Audio Mic 2:

pegging it to gold doesn't mean anything because pegging it to gold is pegging it to the U S dollar. So I keep saying, is that gold value? Either it can be inherent if it's backed by gold or it can be a transitional. If it's going through some other currency, like a us dollar, you could peg it to gold using rubles to you can peg it to gold using Quang or, you know, any, any currency that you want. But if you're going to use us dollar you're not removing the disadvantage of having a currency that is depreciating like the us dollar as the basis for that pegging.

MOTU Pro Audio TOSLink 1:

I think they're going to do the, what you're talking about is going to be kind of the great reset kind of thing where it's like, All the money is out the window, reset everything different system you got, we got and it's worth this, but you know, the ends all running extra P you guys, don't worry about it, yourself cash, but it's going to attract or whatever. And, you know,

MOTU Pro Audio Mic 2:

So the U S so using XRP for transactions, I think makes a lot of sense, but the us government and most countries, governments can not be on a monetary system, which is tied to a fixed asset. Like you can't switch the U S to Bitcoin because there's a limited number of coins in Bitcoin. You, you constantly need to be able to grow your the volume of the money in the system.

MOTU Pro Audio TOSLink 1:

Okay. I think extra P is going to be the central bank coin that's used at you know, for international money transfer. So like Swift. XRP replaced Swift

MOTU Pro Audio Mic 2:

that totally makes

MOTU Pro Audio TOSLink 1:

America will turn around and do their own cryptocurrency, which might be XLM. And then do that for the, their, their money supply and their money, the extra P XLM isn't fixed like the XRP and Bitcoin are, so it could be something like that. And I guess they're called like CVCs or whatever area of central bank cryptocurrency. And I think Canada has one that's based on some were network that I didn't really hear about before. Yeah, so they're all getting them. And I think what's going to happen is they're all going to use that locally in your country. And then once you want to go international, you, you basically transfer into XRP and it goes through XRP and it goes to their country and then gets flipped over. So I think that's why the goal thing is what I'm saying is like, maybe they'll pay the cost of gold to XRP because it's international and they need something that's like internationally recognized as the, the, the, the thing that's backing the, the, the transfer. And I think

MOTU Pro Audio Mic 2:

I don't know. I th that to me doesn't sound like it's an advantage. Like it's, I think it's actually an advantage to not be pegged to something that is and again, gold. Like it's not like we have found all the gold in the world and it's just being traded now. There's new gold produced all the time in Africa. There's new gold produced in Russia. There's new gold. I'm sure. Produced in Alaska in the U S I've watched that TV show about the, a young dude. That's like mining 6 million bucks of gold a year. Gold rush. Is that what it's called? I can't remember

MOTU Pro Audio TOSLink 1:

I don't

MOTU Pro Audio Mic 2:

something like that, but it's it's, you know, the thing that made gold be convenient was mostly it's high density is that you can have something that's a thousand us dollars and it's still very tiny and small in size and it's relatively indestructable so you can make jewelry out of it. And then you can. So melted back into a chunk and you're not going to lose an appreciable amount of it. So there, there are a lot of advantages to gold as a trade unit. And of course, being able to mind gold, so to add to the gold supply but it costs time and money to do that, which is why I think when the blockchain system was built, it, they use a similar model because it made sense and it prevented any single entity from having too much control. Certainly at least from the get-go.

MOTU Pro Audio TOSLink 1:

Yeah, I think I think pegging into gold or something like that is kind of like pegging into reality because I think with the digital space, we, we run a risk of you know, completely disconnected from reality. You know what I mean? And and have you have Bitcoin it's just based on speculation, like that's really all it's based on. And I think doing something like having it paid to an, a real thing you know, anchors it into reality and it sounds weird, but you know, I think we need a basis to like jump off off, because if we don't, it's, you know, everything's going to fluctuate all over the place. Cause there's no reality we're basing anything on.

MOTU Pro Audio Mic 2:

Well, there is ways to make it not fluctuates without pegging it to

MOTU Pro Audio TOSLink 1:

Well, it's, it's a speculative access, you know, it's going to be all crazy all the time. Cause I'm going to speculate and be crazy. And like, man, this, this this, this, the speculation. Oh, it's so bad. I don't know. Do you know you don't?

MOTU Pro Audio Mic 2:

of gold varies too. It's not like gold is sitting at the same price. And in fact again, gold is something that sees booms and busts in terms of investment, depending on the political climate.

MOTU Pro Audio TOSLink 1:

no, absolutely. Yeah. Gave up all his gold to China recently, like

MOTU Pro Audio Mic 2:

Well, Canada, I think is owned by China. Now you've got Chinese

MOTU Pro Audio TOSLink 1:

Oh yeah. Big time. We're as bad as as, as Australia. Yeah.

MOTU Pro Audio Mic 2:

as Africa.

MOTU Pro Audio TOSLink 1:

Yeah. It's really bad. It's weird.

MOTU Pro Audio Mic 2:

Hey have you watched the TV show? The, with the, Oh shit. What is it called? It's the hacker one. I'm blanking out. No, no, not hackers. That's a really old movie. No, the the one with that really? That's the one. Yeah. Well the weird guy that has a

MOTU Pro Audio TOSLink 1:

Yeah, I watched it. Yeah,

MOTU Pro Audio Mic 2:

Okay. So they're

MOTU Pro Audio TOSLink 1:

Yeah. I'm Elliott. Yeah.

MOTU Pro Audio Mic 2:

I hope to God, I hope to God, that's just really good acting. And then he doesn't normally talk like that because that is one of the most annoying next to max Kaiser. That's like the

MOTU Pro Audio TOSLink 1:

yay, Stacey. Yeah, I, yeah, well, he's in that movie. The queen movie where he played Freddie

MOTU Pro Audio Mic 2:

Yeah. And I thought he did a pretty good job in that movie. He

MOTU Pro Audio TOSLink 1:

Yeah. So I guess he's acting

MOTU Pro Audio Mic 2:

I, yeah, I guess it's acting so we'll have to give him props for that, but

MOTU Pro Audio TOSLink 1:

Slater, hugs and kisses. All your pink parts.

MOTU Pro Audio Mic 2:

Christian Slater, I think is kicking ass. He did a good job in that.

MOTU Pro Audio TOSLink 1:

Yeah, that was bad. Yeah. He's getting old away.

MOTU Pro Audio Mic 2:

remember what he, well, for a guy his age, I don't think he looks at that bad.

MOTU Pro Audio TOSLink 1:

Must be a little to adrenochrome

MOTU Pro Audio Mic 2:

That's the good stuff. But you remember the watching the Christian Slater movies back in the eighties, with like went on a writer and stuff,

MOTU Pro Audio TOSLink 1:

cuffs and that kind of thing. And a bad romance are true

MOTU Pro Audio Mic 2:

yeah. Yeah. Heather's Heather's was a

MOTU Pro Audio TOSLink 1:

Heather's yeah, yeah. Yeah.

MOTU Pro Audio Mic 2:

Yeah, so he was always kind of like the bad boy version of who's the other guy that was popular in the eighties. The,

MOTU Pro Audio TOSLink 1:

riverfront. Ver river

MOTU Pro Audio Mic 2:

was the nineties. No, no, no. I'm thinking of a Ferris Bueller's day off. Matthew Broderick, like Matthew Bragga. Rick was

MOTU Pro Audio TOSLink 1:

kill people. They kill her. Rather brought her, killed someone when he was driving his car and like in Ireland or something like that. And he, I think he was tricking and driving and killed someone.

MOTU Pro Audio Mic 2:

I've never heard of that word.

MOTU Pro Audio TOSLink 1:

yeah, of course he was. I think it was N a M I L or Ireland. He was shooting something there and he was driving around drunk and

MOTU Pro Audio Mic 2:

no way. Dude.

MOTU Pro Audio TOSLink 1:

don't look it up, man.

MOTU Pro Audio Mic 2:

Matthew Broderick,

MOTU Pro Audio TOSLink 1:

lie to you?

MOTU Pro Audio Mic 2:

your eye, everything coming out of your mouth. I'm just assuming as a lie at this point. So

MOTU Pro Audio TOSLink 1:

I know. Cause I'm a cute guy, but you'll see that

MOTU Pro Audio Mic 2:

you're, you're a cute guy. That's been banned for good reason.

MOTU Pro Audio TOSLink 1:

Yeah. I knew too much. I'm too dangerous.

MOTU Pro Audio Mic 2:

Yeah. That's not the reason, but you sure

MOTU Pro Audio TOSLink 1:

Do you, did you look it

MOTU Pro Audio Mic 2:

I'm looking at right now American actor Sarah Jessica Parker, his love for Matthew Broderick. I see nothing about any car accidents or anything. I don't know who you're thinking of.

MOTU Pro Audio TOSLink 1:

one

MOTU Pro Audio Mic 2:

Oh, Matthew Broderick literally killed two people in 87

MOTU Pro Audio TOSLink 1:

thank you. Thank

MOTU Pro Audio Mic 2:

some key website. Probably don't believe any of this people. Matthew Broderick is a very wholesome person driving on the wrong side of the road. Well, okay. It's so it wasn't really his fault. That doesn't count.

MOTU Pro Audio TOSLink 1:

Is that what it says?

MOTU Pro Audio Mic 2:

No, that's why I'm saying I'm looking

MOTU Pro Audio TOSLink 1:

Oh, so do you find it?

MOTU Pro Audio Mic 2:

yeah. And I found it. I found that.

MOTU Pro Audio TOSLink 1:

Okay. It sounded like it was making me a layer

MOTU Pro Audio Mic 2:

this is a, well, I still think you are, this is on some website. No one's ever heard of look clearly a Q managed website. And it's, it's a website dedicated to celebrities behaving badly.

MOTU Pro Audio TOSLink 1:

Oh yeah. That's that's, you know, it's the truth. Okay. Like at the

MOTU Pro Audio Mic 2:

So back in August of 87, Matthew Broderick committed manslaughter says this website.

MOTU Pro Audio TOSLink 1:

It is, it will keep Wikipedia, man. So I'm gonna get pedia.

MOTU Pro Audio Mic 2:

You can't trust Wikipedia, dude. Are you kidding? Anybody

MOTU Pro Audio TOSLink 1:

for this, anything that has to do with entertainment totally can.

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Really just

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Oh, that's they knew they had to keep, you know, keep track of it. You have to know they got to cancel this guy. In fact, wasn't Matthew involve in some kind of dumb thing where he was like virtue signaling about, you know, drinking and drive something dumb. I was like, dude, you kill people. How the hell are you virtual standing? Anything? You know what the fuck? So there you go. Yeah. He's a killer.

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stance and he's definitely not a killer. No, he basically, he had a car accident where a couple of people died. That's not a killer.

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How do you know he wasn't drinking?

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Well, they would have charged them for drinking if he was with me. First

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No, he was a celebrity back in the eighties and he was America's sweetheart. You wouldn't do that.

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Ireland, dude, saying, are you drinking or have you drunk?

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exactly. I'm right. See dude,

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Everybody in Ireland is drunk all the time.

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Jean, your love for rod magic Broderick. It's three.

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Telling you, this is cute. Bullshit. I'm just going to call it right now. In fact, I remember when I was in Ireland in 87, I did not see Matthew Broderick killing anybody. And that's a fact.

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You're right. You love for Christmas.

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All right. He has no memory of it. See, there you go. He says

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Yeah, because he was drunk. He can't remember. He was so drunk.

MOTU Pro Audio Mic 2:

Oh my God. You're going to get sued by Matthew Broderick for defamation now.

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No, he wouldn't want this back up in, in, you know, people remember it and be like, Oh yeah, he is a killer. Why am I, why am I like this guy again? It's picture Jack gadget. And he's killing people with

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So anyway, so he was the wholesome one and the other guy we're just talking about was like the bad boy.

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Who Cameron,

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No, no, no. The Oh, what's his name? Jesus Christ. We just

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Christian

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Slater, Slater. Yeah. Slater was like the bad boy in the eighties. And Broderick was like the nice guy,

MOTU Pro Audio TOSLink 1:

Yeah, but he was the killer. That's just shows you how you know, the society works in the media where it can make you think that, you know, good people are bad and bad. People are good. I remember bill, bill Cosby, everyone thought bill. Cause he was the best ever. And all of a sudden he's making go sleep. I could touch your Wiener and stuff. I don't like that.

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he was touching anybody's wieners.

MOTU Pro Audio TOSLink 1:

No, he's put, I think it's going with, after the pus.

MOTU Pro Audio Mic 2:

Yeah. And I don't know. I think that he was set up

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Yeah. By his wife who said, yeah, honey, I'll help you. You can do this and you can go and do this and I'll sit around and think nothing's going on.

MOTU Pro Audio Mic 2:

mean, to me, that's just sad when bill Cosby has to actually have drugged women, when he, by all counts has enough money to be able to have women that don't need to be drugged, doing anything he wants.

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I have a theory. I have a theory on that. I think he was sick of having sex with women and then them bringing up work. And I think, you know,

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there's a way to

MOTU Pro Audio TOSLink 1:

bill Cosby and you're, and you're trying to get in, you're trying to get like, you know, sexual and all of a sudden someone says, yeah, baby, I'm going to suck your Dick jello pudding, pop your, Oh, Oh, don't make don't mention to work, baby. I can't, I can't keep hard. And then it's like, Oh yeah, come on, take a picture of me with a Kodak film. Oh. Mentioned work. So he shut them down so they wouldn't mention work so he can, you know, do what he wants.

MOTU Pro Audio Mic 2:

That's an interesting theory. I've not, I've not heard that theory before

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was a, he was a big working guy. He was a major, you know,

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He was a working

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guy. He was always doing something with money.

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while he was always making money to bill co. I remember one of the stories about bill is from the eighties is he used to do a lot of clubs in Manhattan. And one of the other comedians from that time, like Jerry or somebody who was talking about like meeting up with bill Cosby after his show and he was he just would wait around at the club to get his check and then he would immediately leave to take a cab to his next gig. And he would very often be doing like three clubs in one night. And this is after he was. Very successful in big time. This is not like a struggling comedian making 10 bucks a club. This is the headliner act. Who's already been in a bunch of movies and stuff, but he's still working multiple clubs per day, and mostly focusing on getting paid not, you know, for any love of of comedy per se. So bill Cosby definitely like money. I will confirm that.

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Yeah, I think, I think it was part of that where it's like, you don't talk about work, maybe is making this off. I can't. You know, he was a big time hustler and you know, it's funny in Toronto, there was there was a club like near Bayview or something. I was working with a guy, he said, Hey, and that club, there used to be like a white, only club. And bill Cosby went to like perform there. Or they went to go there and they wouldn't allow him in because he was black. And I was like, wow. And then years later I'm reading on Wikipedia. One of the people that bill Cosby was screwing around with like a young girl that he was making go sleep. I, I, if he was in Canada, so maybe then club news, something that you know, they wanted to cover up the fact that they didn't want a rapist in there. So they say, Oh, he can't come here. Cause you know, black. Yeah.

MOTU Pro Audio Mic 2:

well maybe, or maybe they were just racist,

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Oh, that too. Yes. Races against rapist.

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Yeah. Or just black people.

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Oh, no,

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Canada, isn't exactly the most non-white country in the planet.

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no, but we got rid of slavery before America did

MOTU Pro Audio Mic 2:

Well, you didn't get rid of slavery at all. Britain got rid of slavery.

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exactly. When we were hooked up with them.

MOTU Pro Audio Mic 2:

Yeah. Looked up with them. Exactly. Yeah. Well, Britain was on the campaign to de slave the rest of the world early on. Because not because they were so good, but because they didn't want the competitive advantage of slavery used against them.

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tricky. Dick

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Well, it's just good business sense. If you're not doing it, if you if you're ready, ended up deciding you're not going to do it, the best thing you could do is level the playing field for all that, your competitors.

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man. If she the slaver around today, wouldn't it be awkward. You had these slaves and he got the gate. Hey, you know, do that sort of thing for me. Yeah. I guess you have to like, how do you, you know, after a while, how do you keep up being kind of charade with it, like Keno

MOTU Pro Audio Mic 2:

I don't think it'd be weird at all, actually

MOTU Pro Audio TOSLink 1:

you using your tablet and just dropping them in and saying, okay, you sleeves get, you know, here, here and here. And that's it. Like, I don't know.

MOTU Pro Audio Mic 2:

I, I think that there's some very good arguments for slavery, frankly.

MOTU Pro Audio TOSLink 1:

Yeah. I dunno,

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I think slavery is one of the components that is required for actual freedom, because if you don't have the right to sell yourself into slavery, then you don't actually own yourself. Somebody else does. And they're not, they're not allowing you to sell yourself.

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I think that's dangerous. I think the problem with slavery is. Just like the vaccines, you know, they get you on a saver in terms of, okay, we're going to inject you with this vaccine where you don't really know as a fact, it's a platform. And once you're on the platform, you have to stay on the platform. And if you don't get the next upgrade of the, the, the, the vaccine next year you shut down or something like that, who knows, who knows how twist what quote-unquote ownership is. You know what I mean?

MOTU Pro Audio Mic 2:

The, the main problem was slavery. In my opinion back when it was legal in the United States, it's is that you had a class of slaves who were born into it, and that's the real issue. Like they never had a choice. They didn't lose a battle with another tribe in Africa and then get captured. They were just born slaves and then grew up slaves and were live the slaves. So I think the multi-generational slavery is where you start getting into issues with really, you know, I hate to use the word freedom, but essentially topics of freedom and control of your own destiny. But I do think that it is it's hard to explain how somebody could have complete personal control. Over their body and their mind and their productivity and everything else without allowing them to sell that to the highest bidder. And what if I wanted to let's say I was in my thirties and I got a family, wife, kids, and everything. And I wanted to ensure that they have a better life than I can provide for essentially selling myself off as a slave is taking all my future labor and earning potential and then getting a one-time payment for it to be used by whoever I designate to use it. and it would be a larger payment than you could presumably get, if you just combine your, your future worker earnings, because obviously a slave is a 24 by seven operation. So you're. You're able to get more for that than you would for just coming and working nine to five, but not allowing somebody to enter in a contract like that. And look as a cue guy, you should appreciate this. It really kind of means that somebody already owns you as a slave. And it's just not telling you that, which would be the government. do what the government is. The only one that is allowed to do it. And w and the government at least in the United States here certainly can for men, if they conscript people for military actions, you are absolutely a slave when that happens. Now it's a limited time slavery. You could say maybe you're an indentured servant rather than a slave, but they, they can and do put in any kind of vaccines, any kind of drugs, expose people to all kinds of. Dangerous chemicals when they're in the military, which is why so many people are part of the veterans administration. Healthcare program is they're dealing with all kinds of injuries that they sustained during service, even if they weren't in a battle per se, the military operates as a pseudo slavery type institution.

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I agree. I think at the end of the day, robots as good as we

MOTU Pro Audio Mic 2:

Hey, we're on the same page on that dude. So I've talked about it and I've written about it that the ultimate solution for for taking the human factor out of conflict, both in terms of police and in terms of military action is to remove the humans from the equation is to purely have robots and the robots are controlled by software.

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the only scary thing is if you were a few fugitive, but you know, if he was a political fugitive and you didn't do anything bad, it's just, like you said, retard or something. And all of a sudden they had the catch. You it'd be scary robots coming after you. Imagine two, I robot robot robots coming after you and they're running and running and you can't run away. And, or what if they have like fates hugging drones, it's a swoop down from this air and just attach to your face. And then you have to wait to get

MOTU Pro Audio Mic 2:

I think that would

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by a highway

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that would be much preferable because you're dealing with things that aren't going to be affected by emotion. Like we know for a fact that cops, as a representative group tend to have super thin skin. They can't stand to have somebody actually make fun of them or say something bad about them or call them a name because as soon as they, as soon as they have that experience, They stopped being rational and start responding emotionally. They will be rougher with people. They will arrest people when they have no basis for arrest. They'll start acting in a emotional capacity where a robot would absolutely not do that. So I think for safety, I look at this current incident we've got in Minneapolis with what's his face the the cop well, the cop, I can't remember the cop's name. I talked about him yesterday or on the last podcast, but anyway, he said no longer need that in fossa. It's out of my brain.

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Me whole

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yeah, it's just an unnecessary, you know, the fact that he had a personal relationship with Floyd likely effected his actions during that arrest. Because he may have known Floyd to be somebody you can't trust somebody that was kind of a scumbag druggy that, that was beating up women. That was a pimp and all these factors had emotionally influenced his decision. And so when Floyd was saying, I can't breathe I, you know, I'm mom, I'm gonna miss you when I'm dead. And all these other things, they were disregarded by the cop because of his impression of Floyd. And so he was acting probably, and I'm guessing here I wasn't there, but I did watch the video. He was probably acting more sternly, more harshly. And for a longer period of time with Lloyd, then he would have some random person that he had no opinion about. You know, he just met him, was wrestling. And I don't think he was a racist, honestly. I think he was just equally an asshole to a lot of different people, but, but either way, if you have a Robocop, which I talked about in the last episode as well that really takes all that emotion out of the equation because the Robocop is going to treat the first time offender. Exactly the same way as somebody who's got a bad reputation

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Yeah, but you can't bargain with the morbid robot cop. And so if I were in trouble for seeing retard and the robot cops come after me, they're, they're going to take me in and you know, probably just to stick a broom up on your ass or something like that, but a real cop. I go, Hey, look, man, I just said, retard, let me go. Maybe he'll let me go. But robot won't that won't do that.

MOTU Pro Audio Mic 2:

Exactly. So it's a more efficient police force and it's a police force that isn't going to air on either side. They're not going to be more lenient that they're also not going to be any more overly you know, combative either. Your risk of having cops killing people in an, in a scenario where there were other ways to get out of it is going to go down to zero. So if somebody gets shot by a Robocop there was nothing else that could be done and they had to get shot. Somebody shot by a human cap. There's a lot of questions.

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Well, I think, I think if you had a robot, but cops wouldn't have him having guns at all because they just roll up on you and grab him putting some kind of cage. You know what I mean? Like,

MOTU Pro Audio Mic 2:

Yeah. I mean, it depends what type of robot it is, obviously. So if you're talking about, you know, flying a drone, the Robocops, that would be the ultimate of course they could be

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Face hugger that flies. Yeah.

MOTU Pro Audio Mic 2:

Yeah. Maybe, you know, you'd have to have like a Skynet to control all of them and communicate with them in real time. But luckily we're going to, yeah. We're building that with the Elon. Musk's a startling system. That's basically Skynet. So it's kind of activity from anywhere to, anywhere in the world in very short time and high speed. So with all of that being funded I really think it's the best thing we can do for humanity is to just take the human, you know, elements out of it because people just make too many mistakes and mistakes is what you don't want when you're policing. You don't want to accidentally treat somebody worse than they deserve to be treated. You want to accidentally. Beat somebody up as you're putting in the back of a cop car, like all these things should be calculated and they should be you know, beaten up if they need to be beaten up. Not because the cop felt like it.

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I can't get up the grid fast enough. I want to get off this grid.

MOTU Pro Audio Mic 2:

Well, that's the beauty, Starlink and really Skynet in that factor is that the grid is all the way around the world. There's no it's not tied to like, is there a cell tower anymore? Now the grid is literally from Alaska down to the bottom tip of South America. And you have continuous connectivity all the way through, on all those places.

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I want to get off of it.

MOTU Pro Audio Mic 2:

Yeah. Well,

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Gmail account.

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is it worth anything?

MOTU Pro Audio TOSLink 1:

I think it could be. It's very you know, my name and you know,

MOTU Pro Audio Mic 2:

Does your name worth anything?

MOTU Pro Audio TOSLink 1:

I think there's a lot of waspy people that will have my name. Yeah.

MOTU Pro Audio Mic 2:

Well maybe, you know, I don't know that Google would allow you to sell it, but

MOTU Pro Audio TOSLink 1:

Well, they're not supposed to, but what they don't know, you know, won't hurt

MOTU Pro Audio Mic 2:

maybe get some Bitcoin for it.

MOTU Pro Audio TOSLink 1:

I maybe, yeah,

MOTU Pro Audio Mic 2:

Yeah, of course. He couldn't really spend that bit currently anything because it costs so much to spend it

MOTU Pro Audio TOSLink 1:

well, pretty much, but I retreated for cash. I'm currently living off Bitcoin. Actually I ever heard of Jay snip, he's an asshole on YouTube and

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of those

MOTU Pro Audio TOSLink 1:

Oh, big time. Yeah, this guy, he he's a guy who kind of told people, both theater token. Have you heard the, the token? Well, I had theater early and I sold it because he got on to YouTube and it was like, yeah, it's probably gonna go down. And he's telling all his followers who were all bought into this thing and I needed the money. So I sold her at that time. And that was $5 was up to now. Is that $13?

MOTU Pro Audio Mic 2:

Well, that's the thing with most of these, right? Is you just don't want to sell them.

MOTU Pro Audio TOSLink 1:

I know, but I did. And now I'm regretting it Oh, I hate that Jason and I haven't heard cliff. I haven't heard of that guy. He's yeah, he's a, he's a guy who's trying to tell people that he, he has algorithms that read the news and they're able to. Basically collate stuff together. And I'll tell you the future based on, you know, what, what the media is saying now kind of thing.

MOTU Pro Audio Mic 2:

That doesn't sound like it's all that hard.

MOTU Pro Audio TOSLink 1:

No. Yeah. But so that's what he does. And then he's he made all these particular predictions two years ago that never came true. And he's still sitting there on YouTube being a guru and people are still going and saying what's cliff high seeing and stuff. That's like the guy's a fraud. He didn't in all his altar reports. He never mentioned the coronavirus. Wouldn't that be something you would have probably predicted if you were doing this kind of stuff where it's like, well,

MOTU Pro Audio Mic 2:

well, I don't think it's a hundred percent predictable. Was it?

MOTU Pro Audio TOSLink 1:

well, so what he's saying, that's all the other stuff he came up with was bullshit too. He was saying that we were going to have energy Rapids by now, all this other stuff. I think he said Trump was going to win again. Which I dunno, hopefully April 1st hoping that he does come to turn it around, but I don't know.

MOTU Pro Audio Mic 2:

Yeah. Good, good luck on that. Do you have any bets writing on that?

MOTU Pro Audio TOSLink 1:

Yeah, I do my, my, my friend my, my best friend and his wife she was getting on my case and she was sending me a bunch of means of binding winning. And it's really sad for the main people that hurt people or people that are in the Biden scene because the stuff they're into is so textbook in the media, like she's sending me she was sending me a meme is about Beau Biden to sit in there eating ice cream. Okay. Well that whole ice cream thing. He's all my uncle joy got an ice cream. He's old man with ice cream. Who else does that? That's worn button. Buffett's frigging PR move. That's what he does. He's a old Irish can go. Ooh, is he likes his ice cream and they're trying to soften him up with PR so that she'll, she's saying he is bullshit. Like it's funny and stuff. And I'm like, if you feel like strongly strongly about it. And I do, I feel strongly about it. How about this? If a Trump loses you get some coinage and stuff, and if Trump wins I get to see your tits and this didn't go well.

MOTU Pro Audio Mic 2:

well, why wouldn't you just pay her some coinage to see her tits in the first place?

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Oh, she's not that kind of lady.

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there. All that kind of lady.

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Hmm, not this

MOTU Pro Audio Mic 2:

You just weren't offering enough coinage. That's all.

MOTU Pro Audio TOSLink 1:

No, not this one. No, she, she, she blew up at me and wrote a big scaling email and haven't cause I'm since

MOTU Pro Audio Mic 2:

Oh, that's not the bed I'm talking about. I said, do you have a bet about Trump coming back with all the

MOTU Pro Audio TOSLink 1:

Oh, this, this was the bed. That was the bed, Trump

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Trump coming back.

MOTU Pro Audio TOSLink 1:

or Trump winning. And I still saying that Trump has actually won. And currently he's sitting there behind the Biden administration, you know, acting as a shadow government, kinda like, Obama did to, to Trump when he got it,

MOTU Pro Audio Mic 2:

Yeah. Well, he's doing a piss poor job. If he's doing that. And the odds are literally zero of that being the

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which was a pitch pour out.

MOTU Pro Audio Mic 2:

What do you think? Do you think Biden's doing good job?

MOTU Pro Audio TOSLink 1:

No, and I think him not doing, not doing a good job is kind of like showing the fact that Trump is actually making him do all these stupid moves to show people how targeted they are.

MOTU Pro Audio Mic 2:

You think Biden couldn't do stupid stuff on his own

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Oh, I think they wouldn't be doing it as fast as they would. I don't think. Biden would be having some of these things like the control and control stuff. I don't think if, if Biden were in control for real, I think he wouldn't be so quick after election to see, start being like, yeah, gun control. Let's do this and he's really going for it now. He's not just like, yeah, we should talk about it and manage rural that, you know, flaking and stuff like that. They're saying, Hey, we're going to do it.

MOTU Pro Audio Mic 2:

He's got about three months left. So anything that Biden does anything yeah.

MOTU Pro Audio TOSLink 1:

of what?

MOTU Pro Audio Mic 2:

Of being president. So anything he wants to get done, he has to get down the right now. I don't know. I thought you listened to my podcast. Apparently you don't. But what I've been saying for a while is that Biden was always from the get go elected just to be an office for a maximum Oh six months.

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All three months. Cause you get a die on the road.

MOTU Pro Audio Mic 2:

not a question of whether he's going to die, but there will be some announcement for whatever the most convenient reason is that Kamala Harris is coming in. This was always a Kamela Harris presidency. Biden was just the way to put a old white man mask on her to get her into office because she wasn't very popular with everybody else. So Biden, you know, if he's got any brain cells left, which is questionable because he's literally missing half his brain, like they've, they've had multiple surgeries on his brain. So whatever he's got left in there, he knows that anything that he wants his name attached to has to happen in the first six months. And I think that, you know, that's why he's pushing all this stuff through, even though, so I think a lot of it's going to fail. It's just, even the Democrats are starting to realize the mess that getting Biden into office has gotten them into, but this was their plan to get Kamilah in without people, well, actually voting for Kamilah. This would be kind of similar to if you know, if all of a sudden I can't even think of who it, Oh, let's say George Bush, senior ran and the vice president was Mitt Romney. Like at that point, it'd be pretty damn obvious that they're only running Bush, who was a president previously purely to get Romney in there because nobody likes Romney, but this is as a way to get them in. And then Bush, within six months would leave office and Romney would end up running. For the rest of the term. So I think that's a, it's a similar thing that happened with the Democrats right now is they used Biden to get Camela. And, and I think everybody knew including him. This has a time limit that is much shorter than four years on it.

MOTU Pro Audio TOSLink 1:

Well, I'm saying, I think it's weird that he would come into the gate swing on, on something like gun control. So hard. So early after lecture, like after election I, and these guys should be like, like, I think cool, like keeping cool. I I'm, I'm surprised you're doing anything that would. You know, it's true. The pot at all. I th I think if, if they were being smart, they would have just not done anything big time, you know, kind of waited for the COVID thing to kind of pass by and sure you have Kamala replace Biden by whatever. And then after, you know, a couple months, maybe next year, cause this is four years, you know, maybe two and a half years then have Kabbalah come out and say, you know, we're doing con control everybody. Yeah. So I, I think it's weird that, that they're pushing so many things through so fast and soar earlier.

MOTU Pro Audio Mic 2:

Biden that may not be

MOTU Pro Audio TOSLink 1:

I think it's Trump. I think Trump's running the show and he's saying, yeah, he goes and do this and do that and do all these plans you want to do. Yeah. I go do free now right now doing them. And, and, and that's why it seems like they're doing stupid shit because they just keep on,

MOTU Pro Audio Mic 2:

You're you're crazy, dude. The only thing that Trump is doing, and this is according, literally to his kid is playing golf in all the golf that he missed playing while he was president.

MOTU Pro Audio TOSLink 1:

well, yeah, he can be doing that, but you know, behind the scenes, the military is walking around doing what

MOTU Pro Audio Mic 2:

It would have been easier for him to win the election. Then to lose the election and then run in some background screwing with the opposite party, political parties administration.

MOTU Pro Audio TOSLink 1:

well, I think he, he, he doesn't want to look like he's involved with the changeover kind of thing where it's like, it's like he does us all the time. You know, the, the, the administration will do something and nail someone for something. And they'll say, Trump, she, this, this, this Abernathy guy, they're getting Nikes, getting them. Oh my God. Really? Oh, I didn't know. I heard like, he just acts like he's not involved with it. When really he's he instituted it, but the, the middle of drip Tillery and the government is running its course. And then he's just golfer golfing and it looks like opera it's optics. You know what I mean?

MOTU Pro Audio Mic 2:

Yeah. That the optics I think are pretty straightforward is that Trump is taking advantage of his retirement and the Biden is doing a horrible enough job that he doesn't need anybody as hell. And on

MOTU Pro Audio TOSLink 1:

well, they also, did you see that Trump released like pressure leashes against some of the border stuff that was happening.

MOTU Pro Audio Mic 2:

Yeah. Yeah, no,

MOTU Pro Audio TOSLink 1:

So he's still acting as some kind of

MOTU Pro Audio Mic 2:

he's not acting as a president. He's acting, what do you not remember? All past presidents, whenever there's a crisis jumping in with both feet, just send us your cash. We don't need your blankets or water. This is

MOTU Pro Audio TOSLink 1:

Yeah. I also remember all the presence of had an oath that said, you know, if you're president and you retire, I'm not going to come back while you're president and start talking about how you're doing your job. They always never did that. So Bush never came back and, or Bama never came back and said everything is a Bush or a Preston and come back and say, everything Obama is doing now is shit. He shut up and fucked off. And I

MOTU Pro Audio Mic 2:

Bush definitely. Did. He went

MOTU Pro Audio TOSLink 1:

yeah, they all did. Except for Trump,

MOTU Pro Audio Mic 2:

Obama didn't either though there, there

MOTU Pro Audio TOSLink 1:

exactly. He started it. He started it. And I think we're seeing is him starting it and Trump finishing it. Oh, you're doing a shadow government against me. I'm going to do to you guys. And they're doing it.

MOTU Pro Audio Mic 2:

no shadow government. So on that note,

MOTU Pro Audio TOSLink 1:

There totally is. There is a challis government, not even the Trump, one that other one, the seventh.

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Okay. And on that note I've just banned bill, so he is no longer on and we will go ahead and wrap up the episode. Hopefully everybody enjoyed it. We had a little bit of talk about cryptocurrency, a little bit of talk about Q conspiracy stuff. And apparently Matthew Broderick, according to at least one, man is a killer. So we'll be back to normal, a schedule this is definitely a special episode, but one that I hope everybody enjoys. Take care.

Sir Saturday Knight
Bitcoin Mistake
Bitcoin Stories
NFT update
Bitcoin Risks
Q Update
Bitcoin Here to Stay
Bill Cosby
Slaves in Canada
Robocops
More Q