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0111 Sir Gene Speaks with Ni**arificEnergy - Racial Relations

February 24, 2024 Gene Naftulyev Season 2024 Episode 111
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0111 Sir Gene Speaks with Ni**arificEnergy - Racial Relations
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Gene:

Well, the only people that know it's late is you and me, because this was never pre scheduled.

Ni**arificEnergy:

Right, right.

Gene:

So, as far as everybody else is concerned. Hey, by the way, we got another great episode starting now. So this is my third now, I think episode with Negrific Energy. How are you today?

Ni**arificEnergy:

Fantastic, brother. How are you?

Gene:

I'm doing pretty good. I, I was having some, I don't know, neck pain or something yesterday, so I slept on the guest bed, which is way, um, harder. It's firmer. I guess that would be the right the right way to say it. So yeah, it's it's been pretty good. Yeah,

Ni**arificEnergy:

because I have lower back issues. I played football forever. So, firmer mattresses are, like, my favorite. How about you?

Gene:

yeah, I usually go for one of the most firmer ones, but the there's like the one I've got as my main mattress I've, I've had now for 12 years and I think over the years it's gotten a little softer. It's a, it's one of those you know, magic foam things, whatever the hell they're called. You know what I'm talking about, right? It's

Ni**arificEnergy:

Oh, yeah, yeah,

Gene:

foam, but whatever it's called. But, the one in the guy in the bedroom is almost never used, so it's in basically brand new shape. Which makes it more firm by default. So, that was, that's, that's why I was like, and I generally prefer the firmness of my normal mattress. This thing feels a little too damn firm because it feels brand new. But sometimes I just feel like, you know, I, I, I just want to spend the night on something a little firmer. So, that's what I did. But, we're not here to talk about mattresses. We're talking, we're here to talk about, A an issue that's been around forever from what I can tell which is what kind of mistakes did black people make when they created white people? I, we watched the documentary. A few days ago that talked about history of black people.

Ni**arificEnergy:

Oh, gosh.

Gene:

Now what did you think of that documentary?

Ni**arificEnergy:

Which documentary? You got to remind me. Sorry. That was.

Gene:

it's the ones let me see, what, what was the name of it? I've got it here. It was called what was it called? I know you liked it'cause you replied back with a bunch of,

Ni**arificEnergy:

Oh, yeah

Gene:

Happy symbols there. But it's, man, it's already sliding back out of my, my past history here. I'm scrolling through

Ni**arificEnergy:

No, no, no, but I had the uh, right. I pulled up the youtube. No that that was really really funny, man That was like you you have a couple gems on youtube that you showed me too.

Gene:

Mm

Ni**arificEnergy:

Um, that's That question is hilarious,

Gene:

what's the name of the I'll have a link to it Oh, yeah, it's called black history be like

Ni**arificEnergy:

right

Gene:

that's and it goes through Through all of human history from 60 million years ago and basically shows the various stages of of what, what happened there. And you know, white people were only created fairly recently, apparently by Yakub who's this, who, who was the a black leader who wanted to experiment with changing the color of people's skin. So I, I found that documentary to be invaluable in learning more about my own history, in fact.

Ni**arificEnergy:

It was,

Gene:

in the process, learning a lot about the ancient history of the black man as well.

Ni**arificEnergy:

so it's kind of like, kind of like listening to Kanye West, you know, it's the revisionist history, you know, like they just you don't know what to expect. Like every time, like every time they kept changing different things, I was like, Oh, okay, you're just going to keep unfurling this without unpacking any of this, aren't you?

Gene:

yeah,

Ni**arificEnergy:

But yeah, it was really good comedy. I think I wish more people had that sense of humor and had the,

Gene:

Uh

Ni**arificEnergy:

had the content, had the, the braveness to put that type of content out there.

Gene:

yeah. Yeah. It's I, it, it has a lot of visuals that would not be politically correct.

Ni**arificEnergy:

right

Gene:

and you know, it's, it uses a lot of stock imagery as well. which is hilarious because he doesn't like it has the little logos that say it's a stock image because it wasn't actually purchased

Ni**arificEnergy:

right,

Gene:

because, you know, when, when they show them to you, they don't want you stealing them. So they slap stuff on top of them.

Ni**arificEnergy:

right.

Gene:

Yeah, so I thought it was fascinating and I thought, well, it wasn't what a perfect topic for us to discuss how a large headed black man created all the races, including the white race.

Ni**arificEnergy:

Well he was clearly a genius

Gene:

you know, he had a big head.

Ni**arificEnergy:

I think that we should probably not judge so much, especially you, given that he created you

Gene:

Oh, absolutely. No, I, I think I think of him as, as my creator at this point.

Ni**arificEnergy:

Yeah, yeah, I think I've started praying to him,

Gene:

Mm hmm. Mm hmm.

Ni**arificEnergy:

it feels weird. Not gonna lie.

Gene:

Well, I guess for you, it probably would be a bad thing because if he hadn't created the white man race, then he, uh, you know, then you'd, you'd still be living in Atlantis and flying on space cars and things. Yes.

Ni**arificEnergy:

think he had a lot of foresight. Hey, folks, I wouldn't say that he's a swing trader. He's more, more of a scalper, you know. Yeah. Short term thinking only. But

Gene:

Yeah. I

Ni**arificEnergy:

yeah, it's,

Gene:

I think he wasn't really paying attention to what the consequences of his actions might be. And I'll, I'll have a link. Obviously, if you're listening to this just look in the description, there'll be a link to the video. It's very short, just a few minutes. But it kind of catches you up.

Ni**arificEnergy:

it's kind of funny, but you know, it's it's the short sightedness is it, it never left our culture for some reason

Gene:

Yeah. Well, let's, so, obviously we're starting on a very funny video note, because I thought it was, it was quite fitting. But, As somebody that's traveled extensively all over the world and has lived in a few different countries, I definitely see that black people in America have a very different attitude than black people that living almost every other country I've been

Ni**arificEnergy:

yeah,

Gene:

and it's, it's, I guess you can sort of the simple answer, I guess the easy answer is to tie it back to the fact that there were a lot of slaves that were brought to the U S who really Well, not only was it done forcefully, obviously, but they'd lost connection with their relatives in the past. And so it's an abridged sort of history of black people that are descendants of American slavery, but also. So, looking at the the features and the skin tone of a lot of black people that are in the U. S., I say a vast majority of black people have some white ancestors.

Ni**arificEnergy:

for sure.

Gene:

They don't look like those Nigerian dudes, that's for sure.

Ni**arificEnergy:

Definitely some make some race mixing. And I think also that's where I, again, we see the revisionist history too. People don't like to talk about it per se, but which Africans were sold Africans who were spoils of war guys who were already in war captured by a completely different tribe or captured for the sake of being sold into slavery. So Africans enslaving other Africans, just like we have today and selling them to whites. Despite the fact that the English Navy, when they spend 2000 2500 troops. Die trying to stop the transatlantic trade slavery.

Gene:

Yeah, the English were one of the earliest to reject slavery, although they certainly practiced it for quite a while before rejecting it. But there's a, there's a bit here that everybody forgets, which is that we had slavery in Africa for the entirety of African history. We had slavery of white people by the Barbary Pirates who were Basically enslaving any non Muslims, well, most of those are European because during their time North Africa was very Muslim. You go back further to that region of North Africa and you've got the Egyptians that held a lot of slaves from different areas, the Jews probably being the most famous, but certainly not the only slaves that were around. And you know, the practice of capturing and owning your conquests in battle is not unique to Africa either. That's something that you look at the Indonesian area and, and the Polynesian islands. That was very much the case. You look at South America and the native history there and the practice of, you know, you, you get to own what you, what you win against. It was very much the case. You look at the Aztec whatever we know, which I know it's very limited, but what we do know from. The practices of the the Aztecs you know, they routinely enslaved small tribes, brought them to their larger cities to use as slave labor. Or in, in their case, a lot of them ended up, if you happen to be of a good looking complexion and you had all your body parts. You were likely to be a sacrifice instead, because the sacrifices had to be perfect. They couldn't be blemished.

Ni**arificEnergy:

Yeah. I think it's it's a bigger history than people would have liked to hear. But I think that because of the emotions tied to the situation and people's inability to quite frankly, argue well in public against emotional issues. It's, it's very difficult, like it's, we've talked about this before, how great it was to see Charlie Kirk and Ben Shapiro and stuff go out to the campuses and talk to these people because for, for once they, their emotions were, they fell on deaf ears because their parents are just telling them, yeah, you're sure you're okay, you're right about everything or whatever, maybe they believe it, maybe they don't, but they're not arguing back at them with logic and facts. It's, That they can easily disprove their point. So I think that, that the revisionist history sort of allows people and people's inability to even remember history, even four years ago, you know, we see that with, we see that with election cycles, so let alone something that happened 200, 150 years ago. Oh, just forget it. It's so much easier to just say slaves were. And their brain just inputs whatever imagery was put into their head with social media with movies with whatever, you know, that's what they think of it as, whereas like Harriet Tubman famously said that I freed a bunch of slaves, but, and I would have freed a lot more if they knew they were slaves. So, you had a whole class of people who were just like, you know what, this guy Massa. He's feeding us, he gives us a job, purpose in life, he lets us go to church, he lets us do whatever we want to for the most part, but, small little thing, I'm his property. It's just

Gene:

You know, that didn't concern people nearly as much as it seems to now in hindsight, 2020. It, because that's what, that was your. You know, place in life, like people actually believed in God in the past, and they thought that their station in life was something that their burden was to live with and not something that clearly was a, in error of God's plan. And so you had a lot less pushback on that. Did you happen to listen to the video I posted? It's actually just audio with some images, but it was an interview with like recorded in the I think late 1800s, early 1900s, whenever the phonograph started recording an interview with one of the slaves of Jefferson Davis.

Ni**arificEnergy:

Oh, no, I have it.

Gene:

Oh yeah. I'll, I'll see if I can dig that out and send that to you. It's fascinating because it's exactly 180 degrees.

Ni**arificEnergy:

Right.

Gene:

he talked about how he was a third generation educated slave, like his dad was and his grandfather was, and that Jefferson Davis basically had his, his dad was in charge of shipping and receiving. And, you know, he was trusted implicitly and Jefferson Davis had sent all the male slave kids and well, I'm going to assume with some qualifications, I don't think it was a hundred percent, but basically he talks about how all, all the kids were sent to get educated, to learn how to read and write and do mathematics. And, you know, he wasn't necessarily doing it out of a goodness of his heart. He was doing it as a practical matter, but he certainly didn't think, Oh, you got to keep, you got to keep the black man down. You got to not let them learn how to read and write because they'll, they'll read something bad. No, it's the exact opposite. And the conclusion of his story talks about how after The the Civil War, how one of his, I think it was his uncle, the guy who's telling the story, had heard that the the Northerners were coming and they were, you know, pillaging and, and occupying territory of former former Southern politicians and whatnot. And so he wrote out to, for two days to meet up with Jefferson Davis and said, you got to sign over your plantation to me. And Jefferson Davis says, what are you talking about? He says, well, the, the Northerners are coming. And if they find out this is your plantation, they're going to burn it all down. And, you know, that means all the people that are living there are going to be homeless. So we got to save that plantation and Jefferson Davis did exactly that. He signed over a legal paperwork, basically giving his plantation to one of his slaves, because again, their relationship was such that that's something that could happen. It wasn't this fictionalized brutality that's always portrayed. Was there some brutality? I'm sure there was, but 99 percent of the interaction. No different than what you have currently with your job. Now you don't work, so that's, I don't mean you, you you figured out a way out of this rat rat race, but, uh, for the average person doing a job that they don't love, well, you're experiencing fairly similar to what was slavery and all the. All the imagery of all these black dudes getting whipped and stuff. Yeah, that wasn't happening because somebody had a bad day that was happening because they did something and that's no different than, Hey, how many black men are incarcerated in prison today?

Ni**arificEnergy:

Yes. So that's right. So that's, I think that people have like just the colorful Django Django unchained view of slavery. Like you got, you had to do exactly what I wanted. Most people, it wasn't a large operation. Most. Farmers had maybe one or two slaves, or maybe they had a farmhand family, if they were lucky, they had a whole family, and their work, their workers just kept reproducing that's but everybody depended on that food. Everybody.

Gene:

And you think about it and then maybe some people think this is a horrible comparison, but back in the day before cars, right. People rode horses. You don't beat your horse half to death because you're counting on that horse being available to move you around. You're not going to beat your slaves half to death because you got mad at something. You're, you're relying on them for the picking of the cotton for the, you know, harvesting of the crops for doing whatever. So do you expect them to follow your orders? Yeah, sure. But you're, you're going to try and convey what you're want them to do without impeding their ability to actually do the job. So it's just, again, from a purely practical sense of the matter, it, it makes no sense for the South to have been the way it's portrayed in Django. Cause frankly, everybody would have been dead and, and likely there would have been an overthrow because that's the other thing you got to remember in those large plantations you've got. A very large ratio between the white people there and the black people there. And the black people are, unlike prison, they're actually using metal tools for doing a lot of the farm work. You know, wood tools, metal tools. It's if you got them digging a trench for water, it's not going to be with their hands. So again, this idea that somehow there was like a, an armed guard watching every two slaves is just ridiculous. It's, it's, it's

Ni**arificEnergy:

Yeah, they could have, they could have easily overpowered or outmanned. Any opposition, and even like the guns back in the day what was the most like six, six bullets, you know, I put the five,

Gene:

no, no, no. If we're talking before the civil war revolvers were pretty rare before the civil war. It was mostly one shot

Ni**arificEnergy:

yeah, you're right. You're right.

Gene:

The revolvers only really came out in the the aftermath of the civil war.

Ni**arificEnergy:

Yeah, that's like a, that was like to

Gene:

Hey, hold on. Let me reload my, my black powder rifle here before you run it away. And so,

Ni**arificEnergy:

All 20 of you stay right there.

Gene:

exactly. Yeah. Don't you dare come next to me with those shovels in your hands.

Ni**arificEnergy:

That's

Gene:

huh. So yeah, I think the, the perspective has been skewed and it's been skewed on purpose by people that want to keep this resentment going forever. And this is. This is something the Hodgetwins have talked about. I don't know if you watch those guys on YouTube. They're pretty good. Yeah, and about the idea that even the term African American is really there. It only exists to reinforce a difference between Black people and white people. It's, it's, it's a reminder that, Oh yeah, well, you're African. You're not from America, you know, you're only half American. And this is for people that have literally had four generations or more born here in the U S.

Ni**arificEnergy:

right.

Gene:

I wasn't born in the U. S. I came here as a kid. So, but yet, I'm American, but you're African American. What the hell, man? That's fucked up.

Ni**arificEnergy:

Yeah, it's really weird like people but people like until they don't people really like categories like if it's a category that can elevate them or they can easily exalt themselves in a social setting. And, it just became really easy black people, obviously, were awesome at everything. But,

Gene:

hmm. Mm

Ni**arificEnergy:

it's it's really easy to gain social clout and mystique in today's culture if you are black. Especially if you play the same, play by the rules.

Gene:

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Ni**arificEnergy:

Of whatever culture and that's like with both sides, like we, we see I guess his name was like CJ Bryson or something like that, whatever the black, black rapper is, who's back in the day, 20, 30 years ago, he wouldn't have been, no one would have known his name, but now he's a Christian conservative rapper. And he has a fairly large audience based off of that. So it works both ways. Blacks who placate towards a culture like Obama, and we'll tell you that racism is real and all this other stuff and people who don't will also gain social clout based off of. You know their thought process,

Gene:

Yeah, and, and I think that pretty easy, once you think about it, to see which person benefits from having a distinction and which person doesn't. Because I remember back to like my elementary school, junior high school in the eighties and there was no race, like no one gave a shit. No one cared. No one had a black anything or white anything. I kind of thought that, that the whole idea of, you know, racism and distinguishing by race was over and done with before even the 1990s. And then in the nineties, politically clerechnus started emerging. It was, I, it was one of the earliest times that I remember that popping up where all of a sudden people were creating new terminology and specifically trying to divide everybody by their race, by their sexual orientation, by, you know, you name it, there, there was a, a drive to separate and divide and categorize people. And it's bizarre because back then it seemed well, that's, that's kind of, that that's what Nazis did 40 years ago, you know, 40 years before the eighties. And it was like, what the fuck? Why, why are these specifically liberals, self proclaimed liberals acting more like Nazis where the conservatives had moved on? No one gave a shit. Everybody was looking at meritocracy. It's well, what have you done and can you do it again? You know,

Ni**arificEnergy:

right?

Gene:

that makes more logical sense, but there was definitely the start of that and it was easy enough to ridicule them because there wasn't a whole lot of them. But boy, over the course of the nineties and, and after 2000, did that shit take hold or what?

Ni**arificEnergy:

Yeah, we

Gene:

mm hmm, mm

Ni**arificEnergy:

I think that we became and this is have you ever read daniel kahneman's? Thinking fast and thinking slow. Okay, great book. It teaches people about System one versus system two thinking your system. One is just basically your amygdala. You're you're just stream of consciousness. Whatever comes across is what comes across. It's a lot. The humans who survive now survive because we look down at the ground, saw a stick, thought it was a snake and jumped away. Right. So it's just yes, it's a wrong

Gene:

I gotta, I gotta ask this. Why so many black people are afraid of snakes? I,

Ni**arificEnergy:

think okay,

Gene:

tell me if you are, but if you're not, you'll be the first.

Ni**arificEnergy:

I am not afraid of snakes, but

Gene:

you're the first.

Ni**arificEnergy:

yeah, so I used to

Gene:

Are you sure you're black? Heh heh heh heh

Ni**arificEnergy:

am about to take my black card like crazy saying this, but I used to own spiders. Like I am like, yeah, so like I

Gene:

were a nerd, basically. Heh heh heh heh

Ni**arificEnergy:

yes, I grew up in the hood, but I am definitely a nerd. I, I was lucky enough to be born with a slightly higher IQ than the average person. That's what I'll say. So I'm, I'm enormously curious. About things and I used to be afraid of spiders. And I was like, well, I'm not going to just walk around my entire life as a grown adult being afraid of spiders, you know, so I just went into an exotic pet store and there, the guy was just explaining it to me and the entire time he's just pulling out this spider that's bigger than my hand and I'm like, Oh my gosh, this is really happening. Yeah. Yeah. And so he's explaining the, like the Okay, all the big ones are the girls, the males are three times smaller, how their thought process is, and I just fell in love with them they just and the fact that they, they creep other people out, and I am a natural contrarian, oh, it's, it's just like a match made in heaven, you know, so, yeah, but I owned a a bunch of different exotic pets, I owned a chameleon a Chinese water dragon, and

Gene:

Yeah. Those are, I had a couple of those. Those those were cool.

Ni**arificEnergy:

Yeah, they're awesome. Yeah, eventually I'll get a tegu.

Gene:

Mm hmm. Oh, Tegos are fun.

Ni**arificEnergy:

yeah, I really like the the blue pearl tegus and the black and white tegus. They're, they're almost like dogs, but they're, they're like lizards. The monitor lizards are really cool.

Gene:

Yeah. They're like they're very chill. They're probably the most chill of the lizards.

Ni**arificEnergy:

Right, right. Yeah, monitor lizards, they'll run around all over the place. And they're just constantly trying to get into things. They'll probably be halfway eating my kid

Gene:

They're, they're very smart. The the water monitors are, you gotta watch out. You can, you can lose some fingers with those guys.

Ni**arificEnergy:

Oh yeah, for sure.

Gene:

Tegos I haven't heard of anybody losing fingers with Tegos.

Ni**arificEnergy:

Most people keep them fat, you know?

Gene:

Yeah, yeah, but I think they, yes, but it's not healthy for him to be too fat, but it's, it is kind of, they're very docile. They're

Ni**arificEnergy:

For sure. Yeah,

Gene:

They don't mind being touched and petted and they'll actually sit on your lap. Which is pretty cool. And I, well, I don't know. Did I tell you about one of my snakes I got? This is a pretty big one.

Ni**arificEnergy:

No, no, I didn't know that you,

Gene:

have a I have a reticulated python.

Ni**arificEnergy:

Okay, nice. How big is she?

Gene:

So it's a he and he is 18 and a half feet long.

Ni**arificEnergy:

Oh, wow. That's a big boy.

Gene:

Yeah. Yeah, he's the females get a little bigger. They get over 20 feet. But he is a, I, I've had him since he was a baby. I got him,

Ni**arificEnergy:

he knows you.

Gene:

he, he was three feet long when I got him. And yeah, he thinks of me as safety, which is really kind of cool. So, if I open the door and, you know, there's, there's a grocery delivery or something there's he can smell that there's Because they got great sense of smell. There's been somebody new. He'll actually hide behind me. Which is freaking hilarious. Got a snake that basically scares most people half to death. And he is very very timid. Mm hmm, mm hmm,

Ni**arificEnergy:

Yeah, so I think that most things, especially if you nurture them yourself, they carry that affection, but also they carry that fear. Throughout their entire life, and you're always a really big thing to them. I know this because This is how they trained bears to wrestle people in Dagestan. They, they trained them from birth. And like, all they do, obviously, they file down their claws and stuff, too. But yeah, they, they, they trained them from birth. And it's a really cool thing that I think that we as Americans miss now because we're so quick in our cultures, there's hardly any of us outside of people in Alaska, I would say, that are actually still connected to the rugged individualism lifestyle, you know?

Gene:

yeah. Maybe Wyoming or Montana, maybe.

Ni**arificEnergy:

yeah, because things are so far apart out there, you know, your next closest hospital could be a hundred miles.

Gene:

right. No, that's true. And I I've played with bears a few times. I really like bears. I wish I was well, and this maybe I'll still do it someday is if I have enough property, I would probably get a bear because they are so damn human. Like it's really amazing. In fact, just today I post a video on X and I said, do you have the balls to do this? And it's a video and it's a woman. In fact, a woman that is within about a three foot reach. Yeah. Of a black bear who is sitting inside of a trash can looking for food and she hands him a peanut butter and jelly sandwich

Ni**arificEnergy:

yeah, I saw that.

Gene:

and the bear takes it doesn't do anything to her and he's very calm and then holds it with one hand and eats it while he's looking around. I'm like, dude, I want that at home. I want that critter. That is so awesome.

Ni**arificEnergy:

That's

Gene:

know they can kill you, but so can my snake. And I've had that for frickin 14 years now.

Ni**arificEnergy:

so the only thing I would worry about is so we talked about this before, like controlling the entire environment. And I think that in the, in the northern Russian environment,

Gene:

Mm hmm.

Ni**arificEnergy:

everybody and everything is so scarce up there.

Gene:

Mm hmm. Mm

Ni**arificEnergy:

The bears kind of have to do basically what wolves did with us and turning themselves into dogs. Like they had to become more docile in order to get like, if you look at the video, that bear took that sandwich with the utmost grace. Grabbed the corner of it with like just barely its mouth and just ate a piece of it like it was eating a regular sandwich. It was adorable.

Gene:

it down. Yeah, it looked like a person eating a sandwich.

Ni**arificEnergy:

Yeah. Yeah. He,

Gene:

a bear.

Ni**arificEnergy:

he had been socialized into being a human, you know, so that's that's the only thing I would worry about is that, a bit bears here.

Gene:

too, between the the black bears in the U S and the black bears in Russia and Siberia and stuff.

Ni**arificEnergy:

That's what I was going to

Gene:

they are, they're the same species, but they're a subspecies really. They're a little smaller in general. And they don't tend to be as aggressive just by default. Like they're, they're, they have such free range and reign like that. Here, here's what happened in the U S and I think U S bears used to be identical. When America expanded westward we did it with guns and we pretty much killed everything. You know, barely, barely sparing a few native Americans, but killing most of them as well. But whether you're a raccoon or you're a beaver or you're a bear, your pelt was valuable. And so it wasn't even a matter of getting Only shooting at bears that are trying to attack you. It was a matter of, Hey, let's go kill some bears and, you know, bring back their pelts and then leave all the meat and stuff for, to just lie in the forest. Like no one cared about that. And so I think the only surviving bears we have left in North America are the black bears and the brown bears that were evasive enough and cunning enough to. Run away from people because they knew the danger that they possess all the somewhat friendly bears. They all got killed and so the genetics gets passed on to each generation and when you're, you're basically forcing evolution of the North American bear into a very different animal than the one that we have in Siberia and the one that I believe was originally here. Because out there they're not just You know, exterminated like there's way more bears there than Then people,

Ni**arificEnergy:

Yeah. That's a good point. Because in New Jersey, there's a ton of bears, specifically black bears, and they, they're petrified of us. Like you, you could just

Gene:

ones that are left all the friendly ones get shot.

Ni**arificEnergy:

Yeah, they they're very afraid of us. And that's like, why like where the adage of just get really big, start making loud noises, because they'll just run off like cats. It's really

Gene:

Although you don't want to do that with a cougar because the cougar is actually interested in you. If you start doing that.

Ni**arificEnergy:

Yeah, that's correct. Yeah, so I, I, I'm a really big fan of cats. I actually gave gave my wife a Savannah cat for her

Gene:

I love those. Those are awesome.

Ni**arificEnergy:

for her, yeah, man, that thing could just flat out jump nine feet in the air. What

Gene:

to do a, didn't want to do a full on serval in F Zero?

Ni**arificEnergy:

Ah, no.

Gene:

I, my my ex wife's got one of those. We she and I talked about getting one, and then we ended up getting divorced, and then she got one anyway. Goddammit. But I, I can't have them right now because the snakes because they, they would not be friendly to each other.

Ni**arificEnergy:

But also, at least she had to pick up the tab for that, you know what I mean?

Gene:

yeah, yeah, yeah,

Ni**arificEnergy:

Cause that cost me a

Gene:

I'm sure my money paid for it one way or the other. It's I have no illusions about that. I always say, you know, I got divorced like most men we split everything 50 50. She got all the stuff, I got all the bills. So it was pretty equitable.

Ni**arificEnergy:

Yep, yeah,

Gene:

That's usually

Ni**arificEnergy:

yikes. Yep, sorry about that brother.

Gene:

no, it's all good. It's all good. And we're, you know, we're reasonably friendly. We'd, we'd probably talk a couple of times a year, you know, on birthdays rolled around or something. So it's it's been a while now. Where I was going with that is you know, the other animals that I watch videos of on a regular basis is this family that has a pet Puma in Russia.

Ni**arificEnergy:

Okay, yeah,

Gene:

it is, it literally is just like having a giant house cat. The, the reactions, the sort of way that he, you know, does stuff, the, the fact that he sleeps for 20 hours a day. It's just a big cat. It's a totally big cat. You have to have them when they're young and you have to spend a lot of time with them to get them to treat you differently from the way they would treat any other person. And like you have to be family, you can't be perceived as a human or they, they think they're humans, you know, whichever way, but it's a, you have to get past the amygdala because if something happens that just scares the shit out of them, you don't want them reverting into, I'm going to scratch you and attack you mode.

Ni**arificEnergy:

Yeah, that's, that's correct. So that's what I was gonna say. They are, they are, they're playing with fire. Because when you get to the puma, now I've seen that puma, that thing is really chunky. It does not think of itself as a normal Puma, but again, we're, we're talking about the the underlying biological thought processes that will occur underneath strife, you know, it's just going to revert back to what it knows. Yeah, I think that they're, they are definitely playing with fire, especially because of how how openly aggressive they allow that.

Gene:

Mm hmm.

Ni**arificEnergy:

cat to growl at them. Like with ours he was an, they have them in tiers. So he was not an F zero. He was an F one.

Gene:

F1. Yeah, that's still pretty good, though. That's just got great, great long legs, probably, still.

Ni**arificEnergy:

Oh yeah. He was massive. He was

Gene:

Mm hmm.

Ni**arificEnergy:

was every bit of 36 pounds. He was about, yeah, he was absolutely massive. But yeah, like they they are, he had to eat like raw meat, like a certain amount of times, like per week. They're very, very different. I was like very cautious to constantly like love on the cat for sure, but also like I am the dominant figure in this household. We're not going to dominate anything.

Gene:

Right. Right.

Ni**arificEnergy:

soon as that happened like he would like, He started sleeping on my wife's head. And, oh my gosh. It was it was over from there because she she caught on really late to how dominant like that his small tricks were and Then he just started sort of wailing our scratching and then we had to reset everything like oh my gosh But yeah, he was it was a really cool experience like having exotic cuts in general And i'm totally gonna get hammered for that. They're totally gonna steal my black card and I don't blame them

Gene:

Huh. Huh. Yeah. Yeah. It's, exotics are fun. I think they're cool, and Yeah. I, I would love a Puma. I don't think I'm ever going to get one because you know, the, the things live for quite a while and I don't want to, I don't want to be in a position where I'm getting too old to really watch out for what I'm doing to make sure that the Puma is cool with what I'm doing and doesn't revert back to that mode, but I, I enjoy watching people that have them. And there are guys like, I don't know if you ever watched the line whisper. It's a, is a guy in Africa is I, I, I, I'm assuming he's South African or something, but he's he runs a large preserve of lions and he is always walking around in the in the territories. So, they're not cages. They're more like, you know, 10 acres fenced in kind of areas. So there's plenty of room, but they keep the lines separated. So they're not breeding all the time.

Ni**arificEnergy:

right,

Gene:

and then they kind of control which, which pairs they want to breed and stuff. But he goes in and feeds them and pets them and plays with them all these lions. But they're, they're definitely not pets. They don't live in houses. They, they live in these preserves. They hunt there. It's, it's actually way more impressive because they're. He is in there with one of the largest predators who is living a fairly natural life, albeit within a 10 acre area, but nonetheless, not somebody living in somebody's house. So it

Ni**arificEnergy:

I actually, I actually learned this from the tiger king.

Gene:

Mm

Ni**arificEnergy:

Uh, cause I went to his place a bunch of times when we lived in Texas. Yeah. When we lived in Texas, my wife and I went to obviously long, long before the,

Gene:

yeah, yeah,

Ni**arificEnergy:

documentary.

Gene:

No, I, I actually did too. I, I just didn't connect it when I started watching The Tiger King. But then eventually I was like, hold on, I gotta look at some photos. And I have photos and a video of Mike's wife sitting with a baby tiger and petting

Ni**arificEnergy:

Yeah. Yeah, we did the same thing.

Gene:

yeah, it was like, God damn man. That's the same place.

Ni**arificEnergy:

Right. So the same, the one thing that we learned was that tigers are mean, naturally, because anything that's in their cage is in their territory. That's, that's grounds to play with. Lions don't care. They're lazy as hell. Like most of the time.

Gene:

like it.

Ni**arificEnergy:

Yeah, like especially the male lions, the male lions are there for protection. They get up and they walk the perimeter twice a day. So that's like the extent of their thing. Most of the hunting is done by the female lions. They'll go out and hunt in packs, but like the male line is only there. If another male lion is coming in to encroach on their territory. Right now, we've seen the longest stretch of dominance for a pack. It was done by two different, two brothers on the African plains. Now both of the brothers protected and patrolled this large ass area, and they could do it because both of them were absolutely enormous. But they both fought together. So I think the, the oldest brother was Scar. The, he had a one he had, he only had one eye at the end. But yeah, like they, it, it worked because the, the brothers grew up together and they didn't have any type of. Competitive, whatever with each other, they sort of patrolled everything together to allow their bloodline to go. But yeah, you can get a lion from, especially a male lion for very early and it'll be fine, but tigers will just snap and be mean. They're very like hissy and

Gene:

a tiger is eight feet long. That's, this is, it's the biggest cat in the world, literally. And it's. It is they're super cute and cuddly when they're little. So you, you really, as somebody who's a cat person, you do, you definitely, you see them and you want to play with them because they're just

Ni**arificEnergy:

Oh yeah.

Gene:

but they grow up fast. And I think the biggest cat that I reasonably would have liked to have had, but again, I think it's just too damn late. I don't want to, at this stage of my life, it's not going to be realistic, but it would have been a Puma. Because I think a Puma is, definitely could kill you, but He's not going to typically be killing a human for food every week. Whereas a tiger does exactly that. If you look at Indonesian tigers, India, they literally will just eat a person every week. And that's, that's like you're, they see you and they see basically a cow standing there chewing cud.

Ni**arificEnergy:

Yep.

Gene:

So it's,

Ni**arificEnergy:

why not Ocelot? You don't, you don't think

Gene:

oh, ocelots are awesome. They're, they're very cute. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's, that's That's probably easier than the Puma. I could still do an Ocelot. I think,

Ni**arificEnergy:

Yeah, and the only reason I'd say that is because like it would take really, really long for that tiny ass neck to get around, you know, kind of like, it's kind of like eating an elephant for that thing,

Gene:

Huh. Exactly. Yeah. All of the Ocelots, I think, are some of the prettiest cats out there. Their pattern is really nice.

Ni**arificEnergy:

Oh, yeah, they're gorgeous.

Gene:

yeah. And, you know, they are a smaller, large cat. So they're, they're going to be both less dangerous, but, but they can still scratch the hell out of you.

Ni**arificEnergy:

Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah.

Gene:

You know, they're, they're definitely more prone to injuring people than servals are also they're, I think, I don't know if, I, I believe they're quite a bit more expensive too, if you want to get one because you're that legally supposed to be exporting them out of, uh, Central America.

Ni**arificEnergy:

Well, you're untethered. You're untethered. So you know,

Gene:

exactly, exactly, but they are cool cats. I do like ocelots. I, you know, an ocelot is a cool cat. A puma is holy shit. I can't believe you have a puma, you know, or, or a I guess the other one that I, I've watched videos that people have is a leopard, but that's definitely more dangerous because

Ni**arificEnergy:

Yeah, what the hell?

Gene:

They, they can easily snap your neck without too much effort. Like a Puma,

Ni**arificEnergy:

of the big cats, and they're the strongest to like per pound.

Gene:

strong. Yeah, exactly.

Ni**arificEnergy:

I wouldn't do that at all.

Gene:

but I've, you know, again, there are people that do it and it seems and I'm not like specifically looking for Russian language cat videos, but I will say. That if you start searching for large, big cats, the, the place where people seem to have a large number of big cats as pets, definitely seems to be Russia

Ni**arificEnergy:

Oh yeah, for sure. They're more rugged people, I think, in general. Especially the ones, and I guarantee, although I don't know this, I guarantee the closer you get to the Cold Arctic Circle, that I'm so sure the closer you get the more and more people have those big cats as pets. I would think that the inner city people would probably have way less

Gene:

yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, no, that's true. You have to be out the ways, but again, it's you're not going to have one of those in New Jersey, but you might have one in Texas. Yeah,

Ni**arificEnergy:

Well, yeah. Legality reasons for

Gene:

well, yeah, yeah, that, well, that's the other thing. Like I can't leave Texas because there's laws against moving my snake out of Texas.

Ni**arificEnergy:

That's correct.

Gene:

So I'm, I'm stuck here. I, thankfully I love Texas, but but that is something that happened. Since I got them, is that they, they passed some new laws for controlling large exotics like that.

Ni**arificEnergy:

Yeah, so, nobody obviously wants to end up like the Florida Everglades, but

Gene:

Yeah.

Ni**arificEnergy:

also, Florida has very large hog problems too, so you would think that those two things would sort of solve themselves and become maybe just one problem, but they haven't.

Gene:

I think you know, unfortunately for the for the alligators down there, I, I think the snakes are going to win because they grow faster. They reproduce more. And the environment, the humidity and the temperature is perfect for them. So Florida is going to be a losing battle to try and control the Python population down there. They're, they're, they're at some point, they're going to have to recognize that a Python is now native species. It didn't used to be, but it now is.

Ni**arificEnergy:

they hunt them. Yeah,

Gene:

do hunt them. They hunt them all the time. Yeah.

Ni**arificEnergy:

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Gene:

but also pythons are going to be a lot less aggressive at attacking cats and dogs and things. Then the alligators, because the alligators go for those immediately. Cause they see those as good snacks.

Ni**arificEnergy:

Little chicken, you know?

Gene:

yeah, yeah. Any kind of small animal or child they see as a that's anything that could fit into a gator's mouth is, is going to be seen as food and all of those things, including small children are. And we've seen

Ni**arificEnergy:

are more calculated.

Gene:

Yeah. Snakes are basically they're, they're ambush predators. You know, they, they sit. So they basically are half asleep. They're sitting somewhere for day or several days waiting for somebody to walk by and then they'll strike and grab them and eat them, but they're not going to go, you know, sit there in the water with your eyes above water, looking around for where I'm going to get my food. So it's, yeah,

Ni**arificEnergy:

period is very different to

Gene:

hmm,

Ni**arificEnergy:

like how they digest stuff. And like snakes, I read this story, I forget it was a story or a podcast at this point, but this woman had kept a snake, but she kept it out a lot. And the snake would like sleep with her a bunch. And then she said All of a sudden, the snake started acting weird. She was telling her therapist the snake was, like, stretching itself out over her as it slept.

Gene:

hmm.

Ni**arificEnergy:

The

Gene:

Oh, it's measuring you.

Ni**arificEnergy:

yeah.

Gene:

I know, that's such an old wives tale. That's

Ni**arificEnergy:

Is that, so that's what I was gonna ask you is that a thing?

Gene:

No, it's not a thing. Snakes don't have any, look at the size of their heads, man. They don't have a brain that can calculate the length of how long you are. No, no, no, that's, that's total bullshit. And I did have my python in my bedroom for a long time. My bigger worry was that while I'm asleep that I, he's going to crawl up and I'm going to roll over on him and squish him. So that that was always a concern because I'd left him out a couple of times when I fell asleep. Generally, I try to put him into his cage, but eventually I just moved him to his own bedroom. And so now he has a bedroom and a bathroom. And he will, you know, go from the bedroom, go and then sit in the bathtub, waiting for me to turn the shower on so he can take a nice shower. He likes that. And it's funny too, cause he knows where to go and then he just waits. He basically will just sit there until I notice that he's in there and then turn the water on.

Ni**arificEnergy:

oh, wow.

Gene:

But he also wanted probably the most impressive thing I've ever seen him do is he figured out how to open a doorknob so he can open a door and let himself out if he wants to,

Ni**arificEnergy:

Wow. Okay. So my wife's cat used to do the same

Gene:

yeah, yeah, and that's, it's the kind of thing that people don't assume animals can figure out, but you think about it like a doorknob is made for the most. You know, the youngest child to figure out how to use it's, it's not exactly a complicated thing. You don't, you don't have to punch in a bunch of numbers. You just see a thing and you put pressure on one end of it and it turns. So that was kind of impressive to, to see, but you know, for the most part, it's like he's asleep almost any time I walk by him. He's just sleeping. And then if he's not sleeping, then he wants to be in the bathtub and if he doesn't want that, then he's He's either pooping or eating. That's, that's his four functions. Sleeping, pooping, eating, or taking a bath.

Ni**arificEnergy:

So do you do you experience or do you think that he has care for you like love?

Gene:

No, of course not. That's not a thing. No, no, no. He, I think the best way I've described how I imagine he sees me is I am a moving tree. I serve the same purpose as a tree for him. He can climb on me. He can hide behind me for defensive purposes. I, there, there's no feeling there. It's not a, it's not a pack animal. It's not like a dog or a wolf or something. So pack animals, lions, I guess would be part of that too. They experience more of a feeling of, you know, camaraderie with the pack. Whether it's a family or not a family, you still get that feeling. Snakes are solo. They're, they're more like tigers. So they're, they're never gonna live with other snakes. They're only, only going to be looking out for themselves. So in this case, I think he just knows the smell, probably predominantly the smell of what his home smells like. And I'm a part of his home, so he knows that I smell like his house. But also I, I don't treat him like a dog or a cat, like I'm not constantly trying to pet him or something.

Ni**arificEnergy:

Okay.

Gene:

I will pick him up if I want to bring him out of the bathtub or put him in the bathtub, he hasn't been there in a long time. Because that's the other thing. These things can go for three months without food, which is insane. And by go, I mean without even noticing. They could probably go six months before they start dying, but they'll go for three months voluntarily sometimes, with nothing really wrong with them. They just don't want to eat for a while. They can go for a week without drinking. Again, I'm not recommending people don't give their snakes water. I'm just saying they have a very slow metabolism that allows them to have Infrequent opportunities at food and drink, which is why in the wild they can sit there in ambush for a long time, days, and you know, be in a somewhat sleepy state, but be able to wake up when necessary to grab whatever food is walking by.

Ni**arificEnergy:

right.

Gene:

But I just, I've always enjoyed watching you know, animal, like I had huge fish aquariums in my office back before I moved to Texas, I had an office that had two walls were pure whiteboard floor to ceiling, and then the other two walls I had huge aquariums in. And so I, I really enjoyed watching all the fish and the the. The crabs and other critters in there and how they interact and build little houses for themselves. It's, I enjoy that, but I think it's, it's kind of a interesting to see life happening in front of you. And it's I know for a lot of people, especially people that these days are not having kids, they're having dogs and cats instead. Where they're basically treating those animals like they're humans. And I, I don't get that at all. I'm like, that's not interesting to me. I don't want to turn a pet into a human. I, I want to see what their natural instincts are.

Ni**arificEnergy:

Yeah, so I think that I totally agree with you It's so so strange, especially like you take like guys like Shannon Sharp It's very big, huge black dude who used to be a sports star, like high, high in the NFL, and then he's like carrying around this tiny 10, 000 little pooch. It's like, it's what the hell? Yeah, it's but like it, I think that it's like the culture likes to emasculate black people or black men,

Gene:

Yeah, I, I think that's, that is totally true. It's, I think it's been a meme. And I know um, uh, what's his face? It's a black comedian dude. Who am I thinking of?

Ni**arificEnergy:

Kat Williams

Gene:

No,

Ni**arificEnergy:

or

Gene:

Younger. Ah, what's his name? He had this show. The Chappelle. Dave Chappelle.

Ni**arificEnergy:

Chappelle.

Gene:

So, Chappelle I had talked about how that there's this, this seemingly desire to emasculate black men in Hollywood. And you know, you got a black dude, you got to put them in a dress.

Ni**arificEnergy:

Right.

Gene:

that's a requirement. You can't have them be just coming across purely. And I think that that's very real because you see that all the time. So, you know, I'm glad you brought us back to our topic of the show here. Cause we were talking about pets for too damn long. People don't, well, no, maybe some people want to hear about their pets, but I

Ni**arificEnergy:

Hey, man. No,

Gene:

but it's, it's the idea that you know, they, There, there seems to be a dichotomy, and it seems like in music, in rap, there's a glorification of sort of thug life, but the anytime that, that somebody starts making it big, there's a push to make them Softer and to kind of like do something to, to have them be less masculine. I don't know. I, I, maybe I'm not describing it very well,

Ni**arificEnergy:

no, no, no. You're just, you're describing it. Well, yeah. So I'll just add context to that. If you look at if you look at like where rap started and what rap is, who rappers are, they're angry individuals who are usually from very, very poor backgrounds who are not being treated correctly by the system. Right? Rap is right. Rhythm and poetry, right? That's what rap stands for, right? So, those guys telling their real stories is like in bondage to other people. Now, you have other things like battle rap where you're battling your skills against somebody else's skills, but that's a very small subset of what rap is. Now, for rap to quote unquote cross over to the mainstream, It has to lose all of the aggressiveness, it has to only talk about pussy money and weed, it has to only to, like you said, emasculate black people or make them softer. So like, when they cross over to the pop charts in order to quote unquote be more famous or whatever, they they sort of have to soften themselves. It sort of takes away from what rap really is. If you listen to Kendrick Lamar rap on Taylor Swift on the Taylor Swift track and you listen to him rap in, on his own album, it sounds like a completely different person. know, they have completely different struggles. You don't hear about the street kid who was. His father almost got killed by his music producer,

Gene:

you know, rap has definitely changed a lot in the years that I've seen like the rap that I listened to when I was young was like run DMC, you know, it was God, I'm trying to think of who else but, but, but, but grandmaster flash my beats, the boys were pretty early on. It was, it was a, it was at a point where the legitimacy of. Rap to be included with music was still a question,

Ni**arificEnergy:

Right. It was still trying to break into And so what you were just describing like those types of genres of music were honestly what? Allowed it to help break into

Gene:

Mm hmm.

Ni**arificEnergy:

more mainstream culture, but it was not necessarily what rap originally started as like people talk telling their stories like of hardship. So even that is kind of like a, I hate to use the term whitewashing, but like a white, a whitewashing of rap. In order

Gene:

yeah,

Ni**arificEnergy:

show, show, or sell that to the mainstream media.

Gene:

Well, and what about N. W. A.? You know, I think they were, they were a little later, but the, the lyrics were definitely aggressive, and they got the old parental advisory sticker on there but I, I also feel like they were, they were better produced, you know, like the musically speaking than some of the other guys early in the eighties.

Ni**arificEnergy:

so that's where I think that not that it started here, but this is what O'Shea talks about where Jews started to get involved in music producing a lot, and especially on the rap side and funding those people. And so they are, they started to fund certain sounds, people who spoke certain lyrics in a certain way. So like that sort of devolved into what we have now, but obviously back in their day it was very, very different. But yeah, I agree with you that they were much better produced, but I also think that it was because it was 100 percent the actual music producers taking a chance white guys taking a chance on Those guys and that's like sort of what put it on the map

Gene:

Yeah. And then back when when Will Smith back as the French, the fresh Prince before he started slapping people around. You know, he was doing a more, I think more of that eighties kind of rap sound where it was, it was a combination of the, the rhythmic poetry, but also with a message of Of trouble of some type, you know, something isn't happening. Something, something's bad. It's just you didn't have a whole lot of happy rap, I guess is my point.

Ni**arificEnergy:

So it looks like I think I forget what that style of rapping is called. I know that in comedy it's um, What what style is jerry seinfeld? I forget the anyway

Gene:

a rich man, it's a style of a rich guy.

Ni**arificEnergy:

That's hilarious no just like uh

Gene:

to get syndication money. Huh.

Ni**arificEnergy:

For sure. He is raking it in like crazy.

Gene:

Yeah.

Ni**arificEnergy:

but a guy who just like basically does comedy about real life,

Gene:

Oh yeah, yeah,

Ni**arificEnergy:

about, yeah, so yeah, that's like the kind of rap music that Will Smith made his biggest hit was Summertime, talking, talked about himself going down trying to pick up girls and stuff yeah that's he rapped about moments that everybody could basically

Gene:

Yeah. And I, I remember buying his CD in the eighties and, and thinking this is pretty cool. And you know, I think that I certainly would not have predicted that he would become not just a TV star, but then eventually a huge movie star too.

Ni**arificEnergy:

Yeah, it's weird when I listen to interviews about him, he's one of the most tragic stories I think in a black, like for black people,

Gene:

Hey, he married the wrong woman.

Ni**arificEnergy:

Yeah. Oh my gosh. They, Oh. Ooh. Wow. Yeah.

Gene:

She, he married a witch man.

Ni**arificEnergy:

She's, she's terrible. But also who knows. Right. So I always think of it like this. So, I know a lot of people who are in dom sub relationships. It, if, when they talk to me about

Gene:

Hold up. You said, you know, a lot of people in those interesting.

Ni**arificEnergy:

Yeah. So like when I talked to their, like the guys, like their women were so wild before they like got into those like style of relationships and they talked to me about it mellows them out. And when you ask the woman, they're like, Oh, I have a clear direction. This is what I do. This is what I have to do. Like before, like I had no idea what the heck was going on. Right. So I think that like Kierkegaard said, anxiety is the dizziness of freedom. So like they had too much choice. So that sort of just freaked them out. So I think that

Gene:

Yeah. But it, it, I, I could see that, but I think kirker guard's putting it through a very Nordic lens. Because for a lot of places, the, the excess freedom was immediately put to good use and nobody sat around worrying about anything.

Ni**arificEnergy:

I don't, yeah, I don't disagree with you on that. And I think that he mostly meant it in our modern society in that there are a multitude of choices that people have. Like your cell, like people's cell phone can do almost anything, but people don't use it to do the right things. They will sit there in their apartments, sad that they're not rich with more technology that they use to get to the moon. And they're like trying to figure out the life and it's what the heck is going on? Maybe get off Facebook and use that thing for something else. And

Gene:

agree with you, but keep in mind, Kierkegaard was actually modern in the sense of pre American revolution or pre American civil war. I think he died in mid 1850s and he was a fucking depressive man. Like he was diagnosably depressive. So I, and he wrote a lot of brilliant things. I, I actually like Kierkegaard when I read him in college, but but it's indisputable that like a lot of people that got into philosophy and I was his philosophy major by the way. But a lot of people that got into philosophy in the 1800s. They were all lost boys.

Ni**arificEnergy:

Yeah. I didn't know you were a philosophy major. That's pretty cool. I was not a philosophy major, but I was taught, like I did my, I basically did a minor in religious studies, but my religious teacher. Was the philosophy major. So like he, he just brought everything through that lens. That's like where I learned philosophize this. I don't know if you watched that that show, but that he walks through every single major and minor philosopher from the start all the way. So now it's a really, really great show. Talked about it. Adam West is really, really well

Gene:

on YouTube

Ni**arificEnergy:

It is on YouTube, but it's like kind of sparsely there. I would go on Spotify.

Gene:

Oh, okay. Oh, it's a podcast.

Ni**arificEnergy:

Twitter. Yeah, it's a podcast. It's a podcast and it's only about 30 minutes. It's not like a deep dive into who they were. It's just like a deep dive into what they brought in their contribution to philosophy from like Kogito, Kogito Ergosum, all the way to like modern philosophers now and gives you the history of. How we got, how we even got to, I think, therefore I am, because there are, there were a multitude of people who just clearly were not even thinking, and they didn't view themselves as an individual, they viewed themselves as a part of a fiefdom, or a part of whatever kingdom that they were in, and they sort of, that their, the enlightenment that people went through when they realized that

Gene:

that's just going to interrupt you and say, here's the reality is most people are not individuals.

Ni**arificEnergy:

Correct. Yeah, I agree.

Gene:

We'll die in the absence of a group. They don't know what it really is because the, the, the unattractive or the difficult side of individualism is the responsibility for the entirety of the whole world on your shoulders. It's, this is, this is Atlas, that's the individual and most people like the idea as a concept, but are willfully unprepared for what that actually means.

Ni**arificEnergy:

Yeah, no, I agree. And I also think of that for people in our own community, like even in the Liberty community. I don't think that the vast majority of those people are ready for what could possibly happen, like how bad things could be. And it's it's, it's real weird, man. It's it's funny. I keep thinking of the, the fun phrase. From the video you showed me, it's all LARPing until it isn't. It's

Gene:

Right.

Ni**arificEnergy:

it is, it's all

Gene:

it is.

Ni**arificEnergy:

all practice until it's not. And then like we woke up today and There was like the I don't know if we've confirmed or not, if it was a cyber attack or not, but like the cell phones, yeah, or whatever like that kind of stuff. And I was like talking, I sent that to my wife and I said, this has been a test of the emergency. We are not prepared enough system.

Gene:

Yep.

Ni**arificEnergy:

We could have woke up and lost all cell phone service, and we don't have comms, I don't have any of my gear, we have,

Gene:

Where's your gear, man?

Ni**arificEnergy:

haha, in Texas,

Gene:

Huh.

Ni**arificEnergy:

I'm not gonna say what I have because I don't want anybody following me, you know, but we would have been like, Literally royally screwed we would have survived for a little bit longer than the average person But like man, that was like a a really big wake up and like it's all I think it's only going to get worse in As the election gets closer. I think we were actually hit with a cyber attack Let me see if I can pull this up a little bit after that. But yeah, I think that cyber attacks are like a really big Thing that nobody really is talking about. I think there was like a California company that got taken over by a gang of people and they destroyed like a bunch of different things called like 18 million worth of damage in 15 minutes. It's

Gene:

Mm hmm.

Ni**arificEnergy:

that can happen at any time, like nobody's like our food processing centers are being blown up. Maybe,

Gene:

It's,

Ni**arificEnergy:

catching on fire. We'll say that they're catching on fire for sure.

Gene:

there's, yeah, there's definitely some explained things there. Well, you know, my my co host Ben on Just Two Good Ol Boys. You know, that's what he does for a living is he is in the, in the cyber and physical security space. And he's talked about it in a few of the episodes at, at more detail, but but it's, his background is really coming from like the energy industry. And protecting the power plants and you know, gas and oil station, substation, all that stuff. My background from the 15 years ago, I used to do that. I, I worked in cybersecurity actually. Designed the security operations center for Ameriprise financial. And then was a consultant on design of the one for Target Corp. Did a few projects at Target and actually, but I kind of got out of that because I, it, it was too depressing. Because you're constantly dealing with. Like, where's the next attack coming from and where the risks vector is going to be. And, you know, like you're, you're always battling to get more money to prepare for something that may not happen. Kind of sounds like prepping, right?

Ni**arificEnergy:

Right,

Gene:

Except imagine that as a career. So,

Ni**arificEnergy:

yeah.

Gene:

so I, at some point after getting to a level where I was managing more and more people, I just said, yeah, I'll do, I'll just do the managing part. So that's why I kind of. shifted away from security and started focusing on operations management and consulting and focusing on getting companies more profitable rather than protecting their, their security.

Ni**arificEnergy:

Yeah. I think that it's a, it's really tough because how much preparation does one really need? You don't know until you're there, and then you're wishing that you had more, no matter who you are, or, you know what I mean? So I, I, I think that people just, people try to make excuses, but I try not to do that. The cyber attack I was talking to you about says, from breaking 9 1 1 pharmacies across the country are reporting delays to prescription owners due to a cyber attack

Gene:

Mm hmm.

Ni**arificEnergy:

health, one of the largest healthcare technology companies. So I think that a lot of our infrastructure that we rely on is. is very vulnerable. My wife, my wife is like, how do you know we wouldn't get out of here? I said, we don't have enough diesel in the truck. And she said, we don't have enough diesel. I said, Yeah, all the pumps are electric. You try to go to a gas station.

Gene:

Mm hmm.

Ni**arificEnergy:

First off, it's a dangerous place to go anyway, because everybody's gonna be going there. But secondarily, like all those pumps run on electric electric shit. So, you're not getting anything.

Gene:

No, no. Your best bet is to steal fuel from other cars.

Ni**arificEnergy:

right, right.

Gene:

So, have you got one of those pumps?

Ni**arificEnergy:

Oh!

Gene:

You may want to pick one up if you don't.

Ni**arificEnergy:

hey, I'm I'm trying, I'm getting like, I'm getting a list together, you know?

Gene:

I know.

Ni**arificEnergy:

Yeah, no Yeah, no, like any, any advice is definitely helpful, but yes, I will

Gene:

so you can haul more shit now, so that's good.

Ni**arificEnergy:

Ha ha ha ha ha ha I already had a trailer, I just didn't have as nice of a trailer as like that one, yeah, yeah, yeah. So like now,

Gene:

axle.

Ni**arificEnergy:

yeah, single axle. And it was like, it's leaf spring. It's still so not, not the same, not the same at all. It's only rated to carry, I think a little under 5, 000 pounds. This one is, has a 10, 000 pound rating, double axle, torsional

Gene:

what's your, what truck do you have? What, what's the capability on that?

Ni**arificEnergy:

I have a Ford excursion. I have the six. 6. 0 diesel? Yeah, and then I had the engine rebuilt.

Gene:

Okay.

Ni**arificEnergy:

Yeah, because the 6. 0, I don't know if you know about engines or not, the 6. 0, the thing that makes them unreliable is that they were bolted in with four bolts instead of six, so what they do is they just like basically take your head off, they take basically your whole top of your engine block off, and then then they re thread those bolts with more with more bolts, and then Then it gets a little bit tighter steel, and you're allowed to do a lot of different tuning. I don't know if you've seen a video of my truck, like I have a really fancy tuner on my truck, so I can like, go highway mode, tow mode, tow at different capacities, tow at different weights and stuff. I have front and locking, differentials built on. It's really, really nice.

Gene:

Nice. Yeah, no, send me a link. I'll check it out.

Ni**arificEnergy:

Yeah, I'm, I'm building the truck myself. So it's just like a bunch of really cool parts that I'm just putting together for, for an apocalypse vehicle.

Gene:

Yeah. So like something based on the 1990s or earlier?

Ni**arificEnergy:

Yeah. So it's the platform is a well, it's an excursion, but like the platform is basically a Ford F three 50. So it's it's built like a tank I can tow 25, 000 or more pounds. Yeah, like it's, it's really, really nice. And so I'm going to get the interior redone. But mostly I'm doing the out the exterior right now. Maybe I will put some bulletproof plates. Maybe, maybe not. We'll see.

Gene:

buy some of that Elon glass.

Ni**arificEnergy:

Yeah. So what I'm thinking of now is he's already set the bar for

Gene:

Yeah, 9mm should not be able to go through your car.

Ni**arificEnergy:

not bulletproof. Right. Not bulletproof. But bullet to turn for such a thin sheet, that's not bad.

Gene:

Well, and this is the, that's

Ni**arificEnergy:

no problem.

Gene:

That's the trick to it, right? Is that people think it was like, well, how can such thin metal protected from having a bullet hit? Well, because the metal bends and you're, you have more room to absorb and dissipate the energy of that round. Then. Then you do, if that was a, like a three inch by three inch piece of the same metal where the nine millimeter probably would have gone through.

Ni**arificEnergy:

that's and level five plates, you can they are, I believe they are, like, small individually squared in the back. So, if a bullet hits the same spot, even, it'll still get still get stopped. So, yeah there's, there's a bunch of cool things I have ideas to put. But on there, but the biggest idea that I have is whoever I'm hoping that before I leave. Trump picks his VP and it's the fake because I'm going to get,

Gene:

There's no way

Ni**arificEnergy:

know, I know, let me dream. Come on, come on, buddy, be my friend.

Gene:

I would love for it to be vague. I'm just being more realistic.

Ni**arificEnergy:

I know, I know, I know. I've been telling people the same thing. Someone asked the question of who do they want to be the pick or who do they think Trump will pick? And like everyone said, the fake is no, you're picking the thing that you want to have happen. The thing that's going to happen is he's going to pick someone who's really awful.

Gene:

Yeah.

Ni**arificEnergy:

And it's going to be

Gene:

I think there's a, like an over 90 percent chance it's going to be a woman because you want to have as a VP historically. You want to have somebody that doesn't completely overlap your base, they have to bring a different base. So for Trump last time, the non overlapping base was the you know, the, the uber conservative religious

Ni**arificEnergy:

right, right,

Gene:

It was, it was the, the, what's, it's they're not just Baptists, but they're like,

Ni**arificEnergy:

Evangelicals.

Gene:

yeah, evangelicals. There you go. So he was he didn't have that covered. And by bringing in the VP who was completely in that area, then he was able to garner those votes. My argument was always, well, who the fuck are they going to vote for otherwise? I would not have bothered bringing that person in because like they have a choice. What are they going to vote for Democrat?

Ni**arificEnergy:

No, I, I completely agree with you. And the, the way Democrats run their party is they will just, they'll just push anybody they want to on anybody. And you can see that as like with Biden, like they'll just, they're just going to allow, they're just going to get Biden choked down their throats again, and they didn't want him in the first place. So it's like hilarious to me that Republicans don't just play the same game. Vivek is obviously from not only a social media perspective, but from a, he can protect his self perspective. Like he, he actually knows how to fight for Trump harder than Trump knows how to fight for himself.

Gene:

does. But

Ni**arificEnergy:

So it's

Gene:

And that's one of the reasons I think Trump won't have them in there is because Vivek is a better Trump than Trump.

Ni**arificEnergy:

right.

Gene:

it's almost like you're picking a VP who is more qualified than the president.

Ni**arificEnergy:

Okay. Yep.

Gene:

which brings the question of well, why isn't the VP, the guy that's president then?

Ni**arificEnergy:

Right.

Gene:

So, and the reality, the answer for that is because Trump's got name recognition and there's a lot of people that, and I've been to Trump rallies in the past and stuff. And you know, he's a big showman. He's very good at that stuff. People want him. They will vote for him. They gravitate towards him. On purely emotional basis. Whereas Vivek, those of us that really like him don't use emotion for that. Like I, I'd rather not have a kind of a skinny Indian dude as president, but the fact that his intellect and his message like overweighs the physical Look and makes me say, yeah, he's definitely the best guy for the job based on what he says and how smart he is. But with Trump, there are people that just. You know, he's going to fight for us. Well, what the fuck does that mean? I don't know what that means. What does he's going to fight for us mean? He picked a bunch of bad people to come into his administration. The last time he put two, let's be fair. They're basically Democrats that are religious and therefore. Somewhat acceptable to conservatives. He put two of those on the Supreme Court. People are saying, Oh, I can't believe these, these Republicans are not voting with the other Republicans on the court. That's because they were never Republicans. They were, they were religious Democrats. They were people that didn't fit in with the Democrats because they're Catholics. Or whatever. And therefore you get exactly what you should. And that's why they're not going to do diddly shit to reduce Trump's ridiculous New York sentence of what is it? 300 million or something? 380 million. They're not going to step into that quagmire because they have they're, they actually think that probably that court is correct. The only thing that made them at all, and I, you know, obviously I'm talking about Amy Comey Barrett and then I forget the other guy's name. The only thing that made them at all sellable to conservatives is the religiosity. That's it. If you took the religion away, that person had no business being the nominee of a Republican president.

Ni**arificEnergy:

bro. You know, what's so funny about this? If they don't come in and like step in and here's why I think that they ultimately will come in and step in and save it because it has nothing to do with Trump. The the REI groups that I'm in, like the, all the real estate groups that I'm in are panicking. They are like, it's like, how the heck are we going to, yeah. And like people who are not, not Republicans, people who hated Trump are like. I need to be able to eat. So what is reality here?

Gene:

Yeah.

Ni**arificEnergy:

So yeah, it's

Gene:

Well, that's what Kevin O'Leary was saying, is that this, this, this basically paints the entirety of developers with the same brush. But,

Ni**arificEnergy:

Yeah, he hit the nail on the head. I

Gene:

but here's why I

Ni**arificEnergy:

I watched both, both of his interviews. He hit the nail

Gene:

I, I like Kevin, I, I think he is, uh. Uh, he's an interesting character. Even though he's Canadian, I always, I always hold it against the Canadians for being Canadian a little bit. You gotta

Ni**arificEnergy:

don't think, I don't think he wants to be Canadian either.

Gene:

No, no, I don't, I don't, I don't think he does. But, but you know, I grew up in Minnesota, which is right on the border of Canada, so Canada is kinda like another state. So there's always that rivalry between, you know, the neighbors, neighbor states there. So I always like to make fun of the Canadians. Anyway, where I was going with it is I think that, that the Democrats have put out enough messaging to basically confirm what the Republicans always suspected, which is that nobody else needs to worry. Nobody else will be gone after on the same basis of improper valuations. We are purely going on a witch hunt against an individual here. He's the only one that's ever going to get indicted on this charge. Nobody else will. And I think that's probably true. It's, it confirms what. What I think people on the Republican side have been saying, which is, it is just a witch hunt and they're trying to utilize any means necessary to keep them off being the president. But but that has, you know, both elements there. It's, it's, they're somewhat admitting to it, not directly, but indirectly admitting to it because they're trying to reassure people that. No, we're not going to uproot the way that we charge people with these laws.

Ni**arificEnergy:

so, I'm only speaking on a it's anecdotal, but it's a very

Gene:

Mm hmm.

Ni**arificEnergy:

group of people. It's literally thousands and thousands of people in this group.

Gene:

hmm.

Ni**arificEnergy:

So, it's, I think that that cry fell on deaf ears. Yeah. I think that they're the people who the money going into so like most wholesalers have to sell that to another wholesaler or a person who's trying to develop that area. All of those people have just dried up all of those contracts. So like the only thing they have to do is just keep saying no, and they have been so like it's, it's not is.

Gene:

But, but that's, that doesn't mean the Supreme Court is going to step in though. It doesn't mean the Supreme Court is going to step in. What it means is that they may end up, they meaning New York, New York may end up having some. After the fact renegotiated bullshit stuff come up that kind of puts this into, I like, I don't think New York wants this to go to the Supreme court. Because they're not prepared to defend it. Because their defense is, it's Trump. That's their defense.

Ni**arificEnergy:

I'm not sure.

Gene:

You think they're, they're, they want this to go to the Supreme Court?

Ni**arificEnergy:

so to a certain degree, the people who are in charge, they have to play their roles, right? Also in the same way that, did you see, or did you happen to hear Joy Reid on her hot mic? She was like, Biden's starting another fucking war. Like at the end, yeah, yeah. At the end of one of her

Gene:

not hear that.

Ni**arificEnergy:

Yeah, at the end of one of her segments, yeah, yeah, yeah, she said, I'll send it to you, she said, Biden's starting another fucking war, and that, that was the small clip that you heard, and like, We, we can't discount the fact that Mayor Adams knows for a, that he is on a unsustainable path. You can't discount that he can say whatever he wants to in the public, and he is flip flopped on that issue. Several times, but I think that he is begging for a higher power to come in and, and quell the craziness and for it not to be on him. So I think that there's, to a certain, yeah, to a certain degree, he, he would be absolutely absolved because he came after Biden. Right. And then immediately after that, he was investigated.

Gene:

Mm hmm. Mm hmm.

Ni**arificEnergy:

If the Supreme court steps in, they completely fix his city, but also absolve him of any of the quote unquote, seemingly wrongdoing that that will happen. But like the biggest thing is that New York will not New York will die. Like it's already lost. I think one and a half trillion dollars since. In business since the pandemic, and there's no new businesses growing there. So, if you decentivize capitalists, which they, they have,

Gene:

Yeah.

Ni**arificEnergy:

real estate runs way more than people think. Your doctor's office has to pay rent to a real estate office. To a real estate person. Like people don't like, it's like everybody runs off of those people. That's why they're all there.

Gene:

And I would love nothing more than to see New York fail and become a San Francisco. I think that would vindicate a lot of my positions in, in that this is what happens when you guys you know, don't, don't take into account market forces. But I also feel like New York is also one of those places has been corrupt for so long that they even know how to get around that,

Ni**arificEnergy:

Yeah.

Gene:

you know?

Ni**arificEnergy:

It's tough. I have a bunch of people who are there who are Democrats. Who are still drinking the Kool Aid. They, they blame racism and all this other stuff. And of course I ask them, okay, well, your police chief's black. All, most of the police officers are black. Your mayor's black. All the people vote Democrat. All the schools are people who are, that's another thing. Like all the schools are run by Democrats. The one party has run. Public education for 100 years, 50, 100 years, and black people are reading at a 17 percent like 17 percent of black people are reading at their grade level in the country. And in New York, it's at 11%.

Gene:

Jefferson Davis had slaves that read better.

Ni**arificEnergy:

Right. Oh, it's, it's, I'm so glad you brought that point up. That's so hilarious. But yes like I've, I've tried to explain it to my mom. I said like she she was asking me earlier, like what I was doing. So I was telling her I was going on a podcast and stuff and telling her the topics. And so I asked her to give me a defense. I said.

Gene:

Mm hmm.

Ni**arificEnergy:

She said, you better not go on there talking all crazy about black people. I said, okay, mom, I will allow you to give me a defense of the NAACP.

Gene:

Huh.

Ni**arificEnergy:

So like the NAACP was started in 1909. And give me a defense for the national organization for the advancement of colored people and she just could not do it. And I said, you see why you can't do

Gene:

Dude, that, that organization is as bad as the ADL. It,

Ni**arificEnergy:

Oh, it's awful.

Gene:

it's, it's horrible. And like all these groups are the same in nature, which is they completely neglect the fact that people that do hard work become successful, not because of the color of their skin or their religion, but because of their actions. And so consequently, they're focusing on the exact opposite of that, which is everything has to do, are you a Jew? Are you black? Well, that's why you're getting screwed. No, that's not why you're getting screwed. You could, you're, you're proof of that.

Ni**arificEnergy:

Oh, for sure. Yeah, I said any defense that you could have given. I said, even if you gave the best defense for the NAACP, I would challenge you by saying why a little more than 100 years later, did a organization have to be called Black Lives Matter? Because they felt like their lives didn't matter to the regular public and regular people. So in any, in any sense that you could, anyone could defend the NAACP, they have failed in their mission by the. Acceptance and driving up and the creation of BLM. And so what's going to happen and what is black activism going to look like in the next hundred years? That's that's the thing that's scary to me because it's we could, I think that we're probably going to fuck our way out of existence anyway. Most of the successful ones, most of the successful ones are not going back to. Their own culture in their own race to, to remarry. So it's, it's kind of just like the eventually most of the people are going to just be an amalgamation of every, every race. I think that'll happen long before like blacks as a, as a whole would collapse, have a

Gene:

Well, I, I think, yeah, I think you're right. But also, what I mentioned at the very beginning of the episode, which is if you look at the vast majority of black people in the United States today, they have a good percentage of their genes coming from white people. And it's because You know, it's been like 160 years since the the civil war. So there's been a lot of people even before the civil war, frankly, like Thomas Jefferson, but there's been a lot of people that have fallen in love, had relationships or just had sex. And then the baby as a result of it from interracial relationships. And and that's. That's not a secret. Like you go into any mall and you look at the the variants and gradients of skin tone of of black teenagers sitting around. And it, it, it's a vastly different than what you even get in Jamaica, which is not Africa, by the way, but at least it's a more homogenized society where black people tend to marry black people and have kids with black. You know, it's like the, the North not, not North America, but the, the America and the United States. Average black person has probably got somewhere between 20 and 40 percent non African genes in them.

Ni**arificEnergy:

Yeah. That's I honestly, that's why I run so slow. That's I've actually isolated those genes and,

Gene:

I thought it was because you like exotic animals.

Ni**arificEnergy:

they're all my problems.

Gene:

It's I can't outrun them, I'm just going to be friends with them.

Ni**arificEnergy:

Yeah, that's

Gene:

I got you figured out.

Ni**arificEnergy:

the expensive part. You know that I don't like that part of myself. Those, those animals were crazy expensive.

Gene:

They are, yeah, that's true.

Ni**arificEnergy:

but they're awesome. I'd have them again.

Gene:

Huh, that's fun. Yeah, so, I mean I guess let's get to the solution part of it or get to the, what are, what are the next steps?

Ni**arificEnergy:

Let's go.

Gene:

it's a there's a lot of questions, I guess. What, which one do we want to focus on? Cause I, it seems to me like we're going backwards and I've said this before. From what I recall in the eighties and the relationships between black kids, white kids, and certainly even going into college, but certainly in junior high and, and, and high school, there was zero value placed on what somebody's race was at all. It just like I had Asian friends, I had black friends, I had, well, I had one black friend, but but you know, it, it, it was. It was not something that like what you always see in the movies is the story of the white kid that has this black friend or black girlfriend or whatever, and then he invites her home and the parents are like, Oh my God, we can't believe you invited a black person. That never happened in my experience and I lived in pretty white suburbs, you know, it was suburbs of Minneapolis. Like the outer suburbs where it was brand new homes and brand new schools and stuff. And I just really didn't feel like there was any kind of a racial differentiation being made. I didn't feel like the parents of the, the, my black buddy were treating me any differently. Yeah, everybody's just kind of the same,

Ni**arificEnergy:

So in that regard, we have a lot of ways to go for sure.

Gene:

but are we going in the wrong direction is my point first, cause it feels like we are.

Ni**arificEnergy:

So maybe we might be going in the wrong direction, but it could also just be like the pendulum thing.

Gene:

Mm

Ni**arificEnergy:

Blacks are moving more towards trying to foster independence,

Gene:

hmm. Mm hmm. Mm hmm.

Ni**arificEnergy:

sorry, foster collectivism, and Then eventually they'll swing back towards more individualistic societies in their individualism. They will see themselves as Americans, like in, in any time, like we get attacked or we are at war or something like that, people see themselves as Americans first. So I think that like they will lead the collectivist we are victims hood group immediately when they have just cause to. Come back. I just think that we have to give people the right causes to come back. The hard thing about that is from a historical standpoint and you're you've read a lot of history. When has it ever been that people have been brought together outside of times of war?

Gene:

Yeah, I, I think times of war certainly forced that issue, but I also think that it's not linear. I guess this is my point is it, it, it's not like we start at slavery and we're moving continuously in the direction of treating everybody the way that Um, uh, God, what's the name? I'm blanking out Martin Luther King's dream speech where, you know, you, you, your kids are not judged by the color of their skin, but by their achievements, it feels like we were moving in that direction. And in the nineties, we started backsliding and we started placing a greater emphasis on somebody's genetics than on their achievements. And that in a lot of ways feels extremely like I feel like it's degrading for black people, but also other people that are put in that bucket because you're effectively saying, well, you're incapable of competing with the, the other people that are successful. It's kind of like why we have women's sports, right? Why do we have women's sports? It's because women would lose to the men if they had to compete in the same sports for most sports. Maybe golf's a little different. I don't know. Maybe there's a few other sports, but for the most part, if you have combined teams of men and women, women are going to lose. So we have a women's league. Now, we, we used to have a Negro Baseball League. I think that's what it was called. And I went to the museum in Kansas City. For that. And and what, what became apparent during that was that the, this minor league that was supposed to be in the shadows of the actual you know, white people league was that the level of athleticism. The level of exciting play that was happening in the Negro baseball league was actually better. And so what did that result in? Well, it resulted in teams starting to hire more light skinned black guys and pretending they were white. And then eventually full on you know, bringing in black baseball players into the major leagues. And it's a I think that that is that is letting the, the performance dictate the basic it's, it's meritocracy, right? It's where we're saying, well, shouldn't the people that would be best at something be the ones? That are actually engaged in that thing. And it's, it's, it's kind of like if we realized that women were actually better at basketball and then the WNBA would be getting more viewers and it would be more exciting to watch than the NBA. At some point there would be a move to, Hey, let's just have one basketball, you know, league, let's not have several leagues. And, and I think that that's kind of like that happened in the past, in last century. But right now, I think there's more of a push to almost create like another black baseball league. It's kind of like, we're going in the wrong direction here. We're going for separating people based on things that have nothing to do with performance.

Ni**arificEnergy:

yeah, so that's why I think it's sort of like a pendulum and we're just a swinging. So back in Martin Luther King Jr's Day, he wanted to simply be viewed as an American.

Gene:

hmm.

Ni**arificEnergy:

You know, so that's you're right. Wild idea. But yeah, like he just simply wanted to be viewed as an American. And so like nowadays it's like more of the collective. Let's be black mind or we are a culture. You can't thump us out or whatever people are doing, whatever prideful thing they're pissing down other people's throats. But I, I think that it's, it will swing back because it's not working. And this is the thing that I keep explaining to my mom, she has no answer for this, and I keep saying, okay, so on one hand, you have grandkids who are 10, 11, 12, and one of them is 18, and they can't read on the same level as what they're supposed to. They're behind in school in reading and math. And on the other hand, the, you have my kids, They're Who, my one year old can tell you the one times table, you give her a number and you tell her to multiply it times one, she will tell you the same number back, because she understands that concept, she understands the concept of multiplying by zero, any number times zero equals zero. She's one,

Gene:

What about zero squared?

Ni**arificEnergy:

Well, we haven't gotten the squares yet.

Gene:

Okay, I'm just being a dick.

Ni**arificEnergy:

No, I know. But she's I'm like, okay, so where are, where, which one of these are going to have a better future in life? And she can't say the other is going to have that, but she still does not necessarily want to admit, which is a hard thing to admit, right? Doesn't want to admit that her thought process and the people that she voted for Duped her into making them dumber, you know, like that's if you are a black person and you vote for the Democratic Party, I will just say it straight up. You are paying and voting for people to make you and your kids dumber.

Gene:

Yeah,

Ni**arificEnergy:

That is that's wild. That is like absolutely bonkers to me that these people have been in control of education and I mean everything in education, almost all the teachers, and 90 plus percent all vote Democrat, all they get to choose the curriculum, they get to choose how it's taught, they get to choose the textbooks, they get to choose what's in the textbooks, what is basically reality to everyone in the books, and guess what? Your kids can't read or do math. And all the people who are doing LeBron James Denzel Washington, people who are starting these schools outside of the normal school bounds, they're failing too. And LeBron James schools are failing faster. They're literally failing faster than the regular public schools that were already inadequate. And it's it's bonkers to me that people could just turn a blind eye to black people, your own race, like that. It's, it's, it, it, it makes me I'm like, okay, well, I'm pretty successful. Well, why should I even care about the culture? Why should I even care? I tell my brother all the time, this educational stuff for the kids. I will pay for it all. You don't have to pay for a dime. The only thing you have to do is sit there and have your kids watch. I'll pay for it all. He doesn't want to do it. He doesn't do it. It's man, people would kill for this in other, in other countries, other cultures. If I gave Valuetainment and PBD to anybody else in the world, it would be starting a business. It would be doing something different. And it, it brings me back to what you said at the start of the podcast, like black people in other countries think of themselves very differently than black people here. The, like the. Immigrant household income here is a little over 58, 000, but the U S born black is 42 K. Like, how are they making 16, 000 more than you guys? And you had all the advantages. You spoke the native language. You knew all the ins and outs of the culture, the tax language, the tax codes, everything you had every advantage, but you choose to see yourself as a victim and that's the problem because you're just stuck. You know, you're,

Gene:

Do you think it is just as simple as a victim mentality, or do you think there's something more to it than that?

Ni**arificEnergy:

It's tough. People say that the, it's tough to know when the victim mentality start. I do think it is that simple because you can beat the humanity out of people. And I think that that's sort of what slavery did in a sense. It sort of robbed them of the joys of dangerous freedom because there was so much politicking in order to, you couldn't just go out and beat. Or rape a slave or kill a slave because something happened because all the slaves would revolt. So there was a politicking in trying to make their lives better such that they didn't even feel like they were enslaved when Harriet tried to go get them out. So

Gene:

and that was, you know, it's not slavery, but it's the next best thing. A lot of countries in Europe, and Russia being one of the biggest in that regard, had serfs. Now serfs aren't slaves, but a serf is assigned to manage a certain piece of land in the name of the king. Or the, you know, whoever the local representative of the royalty is, and they can't leave. So they, they have a certain amount of freedom. They are, they are permanently assigned to a piece of land. That's what serfdom is, like

Ni**arificEnergy:

they also

Gene:

to go.

Ni**arificEnergy:

They also understand themselves as second class or third class

Gene:

Yeah, yeah,

Ni**arificEnergy:

And so, they, that person, trying to get that person to try to be a more freedom oriented person, I think it would be exceptionally difficult.

Gene:

Well, and it,

Ni**arificEnergy:

think that a large portion of it is just the victim mentality. Mm

Gene:

yeah, and it, and it was, and that's kind of what I'm getting to my point, which is that you couldn't just have serfs and then abuse that situation. You have to manage your balance. That essentially provided enough for these people that you can legitimately, without just being full of shit, say yes, but look at all the things that I do for you. I guard the border from enemy invasion. I, you know, if your town gets the plague. I send in a team of guys to go bury everybody because we're not going to cure you, but you know, it's look at all these, look at all these benefits and a lot of ways what we have in the United States today is really very similar. I'm not going to say it's identical because you can move around, but it is very similar to a digital serfdom, you know, people, people live. With less than two weeks of savings because they're hoping and generally correctly, so that there, there's going to be somebody that's taking care of them and they're trading their work and their taxes for that privilege. And so the human mentality for getting in black and white right now, I think in a lot of ways, human mentality. Has not really gotten past this idea of we belong to something that is, and I don't mean like God, but like, why do we even have people that call themselves Polish or American or Mexican or whatever? Where's that pride coming from? That pride is a remnant of you being a surf. That pride is a pride in your master. It's the pride in belonging to a piece of land. That's what that pride is. Most people, as I said earlier in the podcast, are not individuals. They like the idea of individualism, and they'll tell you that, but they can't handle it. And that's kind of where we are today, is we're, we're at that phase where We have the appearance of freedom and individuality because we all walk around with iPhones, but we don't practice it and certainly not to the extent that true freedom would be and So I I think that With it being the case for everybody Unfortunately, I feel like there's a malevolence here In a lot of American politicians on the left to try and take advantage of black people by promoting and prolonging this serfdom state, where their reliance on the state. And on politicians to look out for their better interest rather than looking out for their own better interest is garnering the vote and it's, it's almost like a, you know, a secret that everybody knows. It's it's, it's an open secret, right? It's not hidden at all. It's when Joe Biden says, if you don't vote for me, you ain't black.

Ni**arificEnergy:

Right.

Gene:

He's not being sarcastic. He's telling the truth because being black involves voting for the master that tells you to vote for him. And if you're a good black person, you're going to do what Biden tells you to do, because if you don't. All kinds of bad things will happen to you now. He's not going to tell you what's going to happen to you, because nothing will, but he's certainly going to promote the idea that without him, it's only bad for you. So, how do we fix this?

Ni**arificEnergy:

So I am definitely so I went to school for marketing. Right. But what I will tell you is I am not the guy. As you can see with my name, man, I'm just trying to live my life free as hell and be the example of freedom that people should try to attain. Having, having said that I do think that a concerted effort needs to be made by. Conservatives to reach out to inner cities and steal those people. Democrats have no problem putting up their dollars, hard earned money to try to steal away voters from the Republican party. And it's ridiculous that, that me in Camden, New Jersey, places where Democrats have failed in policy for a hundred years. Why there aren't strong Republicans sitting there telling me that Hey, look at your city, you voted for these people, look at your city. Did it get any better? Hey, the last three mayors of Camden were just arrested for corruption. Did you get any better by voting for Dems? You don't see that. And it's, it's, it's. It's honestly ridiculous, but it's also just, it's speaks to who Republicans are. They're not trying to grow their team per se. They're mostly just trying to bitch.

Gene:

Well, and it makes sense, right, because the Democrats are all about community and socialism, and the Republicans are about individuality. So, if you're about individuality How much effort are you going to put into garnering other communities?

Ni**arificEnergy:

I get that. But at that, at

Gene:

so it's kind of a self serving kind of situation there.

Ni**arificEnergy:

I hear I hear what people are saying, but I'm also a swing trader. So I think of it like this, right? So Democrats have had control over education for whatever number of years. Well, those people are indoctrinating your kids. So if you don't stand up. For the values that you believe in, they are already, they already have the tools in place in order to encapsulate and trap your kid in their ideology. But what are you doing to combat that? Like it's, it's Republican businessmen need to open up their wallets a little bit and start starting schools on their own. Look how what, what if I could, what if my argument wasn't Hey, LeBron James has a bad school and the public school system is bad. What if my argument was LeBron school system is bad. He has a horrible ideology. These Republicans on this place have these test scores that are better. For their African Americans. Oh, and by the way, they're giving out scholarships for these people in the inner city. Oh, and by the way, they're giving out a free lunch program. They're giving out scholarships for college for these kids. Like I don't have any of those things that I can bring back to my community and say, Hey, these people are actually better for you. The only thing I can say to them is, Hey, if you work really hard, put your bootstraps on and you're going to make it. And that's a bullshit argument, you know what I mean?

Gene:

it is, but I think if, I hate the word community because it's mostly bullshit, but I think if the black community doesn't start doing something soon, they're going to get screwed even more because. They were the largest minority in the United States, and as a minority of the biggest size, you have some sway. They're, they're very soon to be displaced by the next largest minority, which is white people.

Ni**arificEnergy:

Correct.

Gene:

We are on the verge I think within six years, United States is going to have a white people represent 49. 9 percent of the population. And the biggest growth of that is in. American or Latino and Chinese populations. Those are both growing tremendously.

Ni**arificEnergy:

Right, which directly affects the black community negatively. Because there's no jobs. Yeah, yeah,

Gene:

And the, the Asians have a stereotype as well. And, you know, they, they, the old stereotypes back from the 1800s were, you know, they're a bunch of she's smoking lazy fuckers who are only good for building railroads doing laundry. Right. So that's, that was the stereotype back in the day. Today's stereotype is they're all fucking overachievers. They're, they're kids all end up getting PhDs or finance degrees. They're doctors, lawyers, finance people, and Asians. I'm including both you know, Chinese and Indians in that category. And they're all overachievers. And so they're kind of leaving white people on black people in the dust and Latinos on their rise. I, when I first got into technology in the early 1890s, all the CEOs of major companies were white men right now, there's a shit ton of companies run by Indians. PepsiCo CEO, Indian the Microsoft CEO, Indian, you know, like top companies size wise, if you look at them, there's more and more that are being run by Indians. Do I care about this? Not really. It's just, I'm putting it out. Truth. It's just statistically true. But I also, I would expect that's the case because they're working harder. They're doing more. They're, they're pushing their kids to do more and as a result, they're getting the top jobs.

Ni**arificEnergy:

right, but you're also explaining something and that can easily be explained away by what I've already said. So, like I said, 17 percent of of blacks are reading at the grade school level that they're supposed to be at. So and math, it's worse. So if they can't read or understand math, how the hell are they supposed to know that they're getting fucked from the other side?

Gene:

Mm hmm.

Ni**arificEnergy:

So that's why Democrats are really good at playing the game of Okay, well, I'll give you a little bit here and I'll give you a little bit here. And then when election time rolls around, they're like, Oh, okay. Remember that time where I gave you this, this, and this, okay, well, I need you to show up for me. And I think that if more, I saw on a podcast the other day, PVD was talking to moms for Liberty. And he said that he would do a an entrepreneurial ship. Like lesson and stuff like he would teach it like three times a week and stuff like that's great. But like The infrastructure for that on the left already exists, and it's just an idea that's happening on the right, like that you're not, you're not gonna win, and you're not even close because you're not even in battle with somebody who has like already armed themselves to the

Gene:

Yeah. Well, so what's going to take, do you think for black people to realize their lives are getting harder and harder, not easier and easier? Before there's some kind of a pushback.

Ni**arificEnergy:

It won't ever happen.

Gene:

So they're just marginalized them into total obscurity and. And your theory is with more interracial relationships, it's just not going to end up being a thing.

Ni**arificEnergy:

Yeah, for sure. Are you familiar with the concept of a bottom bitch?

Gene:

No.

Ni**arificEnergy:

So,

Gene:

Enlighten me.

Ni**arificEnergy:

Ah! Ha ha ha! So, in pimping, this guy wrote this manual for pimps, and a pimp guide, and there's this concept of a bottom bitch. And this girl will not leave you no matter what. Some girls have A fuck clock, she'll get like 500 fucks, she's good for 500 fucks, and then she's gonna lose her mind, and she's gonna leave, and either leave the game, kill herself, or do something else, right? Some women only have 250, like it just depends on like the type of mental capacity of that person, but your bottom bitch will never leave you, because The things that the small things that you give them are better than the loneliness that exists outside. So black people are kind of Democrats bottom bitch in that

Gene:

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. They only care about them during elections. Yeah, I get it.

Ni**arificEnergy:

There'll be overrun and replaced long before they're ever made smart enough to understand that they're being overrun and replaced.

Gene:

Yeah. Yeah.

Ni**arificEnergy:

Yeah. So like that. They have a perfect game. Democrats have a perfect game when it comes to that.

Gene:

So yeah, it's, I think one of the smartest things Democrats ever did is break the family unit that used to exist and used to be very strong in black families because that was a in fact, there was a strong push for that family unit. After the end of slavery, because all of a sudden there was no massive decision maker that was the father, there was somebody that you marry somebody that is your parent that was making the decisions and black people had a. higher attendance of churches. They had a lower incidence of divorce all through the 1900s up until about, I think the 1980s is when this really started changing. And some people would say, well, that totally just coincides with the expansion of welfare programs. But I don't think it's that simple. I think that. How do you get a man out of the house and make the women feel like it's the right thing to do to get the man out of the house? That's evil.

Ni**arificEnergy:

Right,

Gene:

And not to say that it hasn't been happening to white people too. The divorce rate in general is over 50%. And it, it was much lower than that in the 19th or in the 20th century. So last century. And right now a lot of the the zoomers, like they don't envision ever getting married because why would you? Because. You all just fuck each other or not, but you don't like, there doesn't need to be any commitments at all for anybody. Cause it's just a activity. It's like going and watching a movie. There's no difference like that all went away. So, uh, I, I'm trying to think of what, what needs to happen to either make black people not see their own color and just act in their own interest, not in the interest of their car, or to go ultra nationalist and just, you know, get the black Panthers back out or something, because what we got right now. Is a total breakdown. If you want it to get rid of blacks in America, I don't think you could do a better job. Then what's happening right now.

Ni**arificEnergy:

for sure. I, I whole wholeheartedly agree with you.

Gene:

And as somebody that really kind of grew up in a I don't see any color society that is bizarre to me. It's it's, it's horrible and it's not a place I could have ever imagined. We'd beginning to, to where. That there's such a huge leveraging by people that have a political interest rather than the personal interest in utilizing black people as basically a pommel, like it's we're going to Ram the people we don't like by using a black dude that we're holding and using his head as a Ram, you know, that's kind of what's been happening.

Ni**arificEnergy:

Right. So I think that really stinks, but it's hard to awaken, awaken a society to their own because the very thing that they have to do to climb out of their rut. is face themselves. So that's like the hardest enemy to defeat is literally yourself. So I think that until black people start being honest with themselves about, okay, man, I was duped by these people several times. This is bullshit. I need to start waking up to other things. It won't ever happen, but that's the slow that's the slowest way like the enlightenment is I don't know if you've read about the enlightenment period Or or before it but man, it takes a long ass time for People to actually become enlightened. So I

Gene:

I almost,

Ni**arificEnergy:

Good

Gene:

of feel like a lot of black people in the United States would benefit from spending a few months in a lot of African countries. And watching self rule and really what, what happens when you're the majority population, you can do anything you want and it's not Wakanda, right? We know that what, what you end up with is I think they would start recognizing a lot of the horrible decision making that's happening in the democratic party and how it's it's leveraging them and utilizing them. Against the enemies of the Democrat Party, because that's if you look at a lot of these African countries, you know, you have you have a few elections followed by government overthrow. Then you have a few more elections followed by another government overthrow. And it's because everybody that gets into power grabs that power and uses it for their benefit rather than for the benefit of the population. And you know, when you look at somebody else doing something bad, we could use drinking as an example. It's a lot, it's a lot easier to see another person as an alcoholic than to see yourself or your family member as an alcoholic. And so, you know, maybe that's a way to, to see that. I know in general, this is true of most people that have traveled extensively around the world. They'll all tell you that their, their perception of America is greatly changed after their travels.

Ni**arificEnergy:

yeah me going to europe

Gene:

Israel has a thing where they will pay for Jewish kids, Jewish teenagers, basically, to come and visit Israel for a few

Ni**arificEnergy:

Right.

Gene:

And so that any family of any kind of financial means can send their kid to go visit. And that certainly broadens the perspective. I think a lot of the kids come back knowing more about where their people come from, but also more about wow, everybody in Israel has to be in the army. Holy shit. Good thing we don't have that here. You know, a lot of things that are contrast, they start realizing. And you know, maybe it is some kind of a, maybe, maybe it's not an African country, but whatever it is, it's we got to start sending people abroad just so they can start recognizing the problems with continuing things the way they are at home. Maybe it's not college. In fact, I'm pretty sure it's not a college education. Like I'd rather not send somebody to college. That's got a greater chance of ruining their worldview because colleges are filled with professors who don't have a realistic sense of reality.

Ni**arificEnergy:

Right. But we're also talking about the infrastructure that the Democrats hold over us that there are no, there are no ways to get around. If you want to be an engineer in this country, you're going to have to sift through a democratic schooling and indoctrination camp in order to get that education.

Gene:

Well, you, yeah for the most part, however,

Ni**arificEnergy:

And it has nothing to do with that. It has nothing to do with that at

Gene:

but if you want to be an engineer, you don't have to go to school in America.

Ni**arificEnergy:

Yes, but we're talking about the vast majority of students in America, right? American students who

Gene:

But an education that gets you a master's in engineering is going to cost you less in India than it is in the United States.

Ni**arificEnergy:

I don't disagree, but they don't have the means or anything like that to do it, you know?

Gene:

but including the cost of, of flying there and living there for a few years. It's like the most expensive possible education you can have, regardless of quality, is the United States. And if you actually look at quality, it's not a bargain at all.

Ni**arificEnergy:

Yeah, no, I don't, I don't disagree with you at all. I dropped out of college.

Gene:

Yeah. As yeah. You know how long it, I did as well. Do you know how long it took me to drop out of college? Six years,

Ni**arificEnergy:

Oh my gosh

Gene:

and then I dropped out without graduating. So there you go. But most people that have achieved something in their lives also have dropped out of college, Bill Gates Steve Jobs, Elon Musk, all college dropouts. So college is not the answer. In fact, Elon's talked about this, like he actually sees. a an advanced college degree as a negative, not a positive when he's hiring people.

Ni**arificEnergy:

Right, They're taught to think in a box.

Gene:

exactly. And, and he's built companies exactly on the opposite of that is thinking outside the box.

Ni**arificEnergy:

But to think about I've also heard what is the Mr. Beast say the same thing? But he just like, as soon as he hears that somebody is like in traditional schooling and stuff, they immediately gets rid of them. It's

Gene:

hmm. Mm hmm.

Ni**arificEnergy:

it's really tough.

Gene:

Yeah. And I, I've only watched peripherally stuff. Mr. Beast does fit in some uninteresting, but I also, I'm not like a huge fan or anything, I think

Ni**arificEnergy:

I'm not a fan

Gene:

It's basically just making a game show out of YouTube and using

Ni**arificEnergy:

is kind of cool. Like he just like that's a pretty

Gene:

And he does, they're all theoretically nice things he does for the people, but he's gamifying it to make money, which is nothing wrong with it. It's, it's really no different than the old game shows that used to be on TV, like price is right and you know, wheel of fortune and all those things. It's the same kind of concept is you take average people, ordinary people. Give them the opportunity to be in a game show.

Ni**arificEnergy:

Right. Yeah. Kind of.

Gene:

a big prize.

Ni**arificEnergy:

he spends a ridiculous amount of his money. Either on production or on charity so he has I guess his home state is North Carolina or something like that. So he has a charity food bank. He did this, he learned this from hospitals. So like they have like one central hospital and then a bunch of smaller hospitals around. So he has one central food bank and then he goes and delivers two weeks worth of food to each one of the cities. And then he rotates them like that. So, like he does a ton of philanthropy work, which is like really great. And the only reason why I really like, like him, although I don't watch any of his content at all, I only watch interviews because to me, it's kind of cool that Such a young person became a billionaire. That's, that's the story to me. That's like when I tell my kids the story about Mr. Beast. And there's another guy too, who's not necessarily a billionaire. He's just a millionaire at this point. But Danny Goh, he's uh, well, he's for kids. So it's

Gene:

Oh, okay.

Ni**arificEnergy:

he basically created a kid game TV show. With his own songs and his own music. If you wanted to break into the music industry, you have to jump through an enormous amount of hoops, but he just created his own songs geared towards kids, created a game like atmosphere around it. Literally this guy's playing Simon. You know, the, the old game the Simon with the colors.

Gene:

hmm.

Ni**arificEnergy:

So he's playing like that, but in a visual sense on YouTube. And he's made himself into a millionaire. It's like absolutely fantastic that you get to do that in this world. And that's no one is stopping any of those people. That's why I.

Gene:

Yeah, holy shit. Mr. Beast is only 25? Oh my god. I thought it was like in his 30s.

Ni**arificEnergy:

no, no, no, no. And

Gene:

Christ.

Ni**arificEnergy:

like if you, if you listen to his story, like he literally sat down for 10 years and watched every video that went viral, all the videos that like had high view counts, looked up the lighting, the setting, how the people were doing, the types of laughter that people were given for certain things. And basically created his own.

Gene:

Mm hmm.

Ni**arificEnergy:

set of how to make good entertainment on online and then just built a company off of that with

Gene:

Mm hmm. Yeah. Yeah, that's, that's really cool.

Ni**arificEnergy:

Yeah, the story behind Mr. Beast is far more interesting than the stuff he does. Because it's mostly for kids. I think he drove like a train a big pit once. It's okay, well, thanks. But it's like not,

Gene:

Oh, so there's one in New Jersey, huh? Mr. Beast Burger.

Ni**arificEnergy:

does he have one? That's another thing that I like, like he has taught people how to start businesses. Like he didn't just get rich and fuck off on all his money. He's Oh, let's get rich by one of his TV show. Game shows was starting a business and that business eventually unfurled into his chocolate business. And another one ended up being his burger business. Yeah. And he spends like a ridiculous amount. Like I think Hershey spends less than one cent per bar. On the quality and great ingredients and he spends over half of what he sells his bars for on quality ingredients So he you're getting a lot better product for the same price and Yeah, he's I I find as a business person. He's he's phenomenal. I think he's fascinating.

Gene:

Yeah, it's it's interesting. It's I had an old podcast that I did shit, what was it called? I've been doing podcasts for 20 years, so it, I can't remember some of them, but this one was New Media Interviews. And I interviewed a number of YouTubers and Twitch people. Actually, I think they were all YouTubers that had I, well, I interviewed a range of them. I think the, from people that had 10, 000 subscribers, but the biggest ones I interviewed had three or 4 million subscribers. And it was always very interesting how similar people's stories were, which is everyone had nothing. You know, a thousand subscribers for years some kind of a little something clicked and all of a sudden their growth just went to exponential. And then all of a sudden their responsibility and their stress also went to exponential. Cause when your channels only get out a thousand people on it, it's yeah, whatever, who cares. When it's got a few million people on it, then it's hold up, if I, if I do something they don't like, it's going to cost me real money. And, and so it was interesting hearing these these stories. I've always, I always loved interviewing people. I, I I'm fascinated by hearing how people got from A to B.

Ni**arificEnergy:

Yeah same. Yeah, i'm really addicted to that

Gene:

Well, maybe you should buy a nice podcasting rig then. Hmm.

Ni**arificEnergy:

I will, I'll leave the interviewing to you, my friend.

Gene:

Huh. All right. So what do you think? Have we solved the the problems of black people in America now? Buy exotic pets, people. That'll solve

Ni**arificEnergy:

Let me ask you a question, the last question, I guess. So I have mentioned about how I think that Republicans need to start playing the same game that Democrats are and start giving, giving, giving, and seeing what they get in return with black people in inner cities. How do you see that happening from a constituency base that mostly wants to be left the fuck alone?

Gene:

Yeah. Well, the first part of that I think can't happen because giving, giving, giving is how the black family has been ruined. So what needs to happen, if, let's say I was king, right? I was emperor. And I have this problem in that there's like a collapse of, of black families and their, and the, the, the end result is what we're seeing now, which is a lot, a lot of missed opportunities. A lot of things that like the, the overall status of black people is going down in the country. The first thing I would do is I would get rid of no fault divorce. The next thing I would do is shut down all the abortion clinics. And the next thing I would do after that is say, okay, we're going to start allowing people to self select. Meaning you have to have a competition. This is where the Mr. B signal comes in. I think you have to gamify and create competitions that encourage people to act in the way that you want them to act. What the Democrats have been doing is simpler than that. They're just bribing. They're just saying you vote for me. I will pay X amount of money that is going to go to your type of group. And and that's bullshit because the way they've done it is by. Encouraging the breakdown of the family unit. So I would do the opposite. I would actually say if you are in a happily married, I don't even care if you're happy, if you're, if you're in a married family, two, two parent household, and you're the. I don't know, let's say the oldest child, you do all the kids, right? But you do one of them for sure. And you're maintaining a B plus average in school. We're going to give you access to a entrepreneurial fund. Which is not college money. You could go to college if you want, but you could also take that 100, 000 and then start a business with it. Like that would be encouraging the right behavior across all levels. You have to make single parent families be something that people don't want to have again. There has to be a certain stigma place the way it used to be like in the 1950s, right? Is if, if you were if you were from a divorced family wow, what's wrong with you guys? Why couldn't your parents stay together? And I think in the same way that people that have been bullied when they were young in life tend to develop much better responses to stress than people that have never been bullied. I think you have to instill a sense of if you, if you do things that lead you down the right path and if you want to see what the right path is, just read some Jordan Peterson, he'll tell you. If you do things that lead you down the right path, you will be rewarded. If you don't go down the right path, you will not be rewarded. And I think in a lot of ways, Democrats have just been short circuiting that whole process by just saying anything bad that happens to you, it's these guys over here pointing at the conservatives and You know, we're going to help you out through financial means and that's not a solution, man. That's creating a bigger problem and we know it's a bigger problem. Yeah,

Ni**arificEnergy:

So I do think that it's creating a bigger problem, but I also think that it like what you're saying from a practical standpoint, fly in the community. So, they're getting a bunch of things. So, even though we know that the things that they're getting are not correct, especially in the long term. They're still getting something and they're going to choose that person, giving them something a person. So and I'm not even talking about going out and handing them checks and stuff like that, but like my, yeah, like my idea, like with the schools and stuff, entrepreneurial ships I, I, I think that if you don't show them a bigger light. And somebody else who cares about them on the other side, then you're going to always lose to Democrats, because Democrats can always just pretend like Republicans are way more evil than they actually are, and they're far more effective at messaging than Democrats. Then Republicans are

Gene:

Yeah, I think that's true. But I guess my point is you have to make people feel bad about being treated like a child. Do you want to be treated like a child, or do you want to be treated like an adult? Because right now, Democrats are treating black people like children.

Ni**arificEnergy:

right.

Gene:

the message I would spend time and energy reinforcing. It isn't trying to compete with Democrats on their terms. It's basically going outside the box and, and saying, look Democrats. are using you. They're, they're effectively saying you're too stupid to do things. You're not capable of being able to make good decisions on your own. And the decisions that they want you to make are in fact, bad decisions. Like they don't want you in a happily. Married relationship where the father is at home and or, you know, fathers working mothers home, whatever, like they don't want family values and family values is the thing that actually gets you to achieve more. And that your example of. Black people who are immigrants and the amount of money that they're making versus black people that are multi generational Americans is less is That exact example because most people that are coming to the United States Whether they're black or any other race, most of those people are looking for a traditional married relationship because they know in their own country's experience that That people that are married are going to be a lot more successful in raising kids, in having successful kids, and in just achieving more in life than people that are not married. It, it's kind of simple economics, really, if you think about it. So I don't think you need to guilt people. And I think you just need to use simpler language to explain to them why bad decisions are bad. And then, you know, I I don't want to force it out, anything, not anybody. So I want people to make their own choice, but, but you have to tell, let me put it in the religious context. You have to tell people that the things that they're doing are going to lead them to hell. You can't expect them to know what's going to lead them to hell of their own accord. And you've got one side that is just offering them all this shit here. Just come, trust me, come with me. It's all good. It's yeah, it's all good, except that you're going down the wrong path.

Ni**arificEnergy:

right. I just think that I, that I think my head blows and might die. I think that I'll give you an example. So I was over my brother's house. He just had a baby and it's awesome. Everything is fun. I'm talking to him about a friend of mine who just had a bad deal go through and my friend was black. The guy who beat the guy was white. And my brother said to me, he said, you know, white people think they're smarter than us.

Gene:

hmm. Mm

Ni**arificEnergy:

And I just, I think, I think that what, I think your ideas are great. And I've, I hear people like Candace say this a lot too, like you got to fix the nuclear family, especially like I've read a ton of Thomas soul. I've read 60 of his books already,

Gene:

You want to get an education? Read him.

Ni**arificEnergy:

Oh, yeah, for sure. But the people who you're trying to reach are not smart enough to get out of the emotional trap of these people are trying to take stuff away from you. And this is stuff that we are trying to give you and so the only way that I have found that's effective

Gene:

Mm hmm.

Ni**arificEnergy:

is not giving them a handout,

Gene:

Mm hmm.

Ni**arificEnergy:

them what a handout is, but giving them a hand up because you can't just say to them, your ideology is bad. I'm going to stop you from doing all of this stuff. Like you were saying I'm going to cancel abortion and I'm going to do you're going to get re volts. I'm That's what you're

Gene:

But that's what you need.

Ni**arificEnergy:

but they'll

Gene:

need people to get energized. You need them to start acting in their self interest because acting in their self interest is what's going to make them realize that they haven't been acting in their self interest all these years.

Ni**arificEnergy:

weaponized against you forever.

Gene:

No, they won't.

Ni**arificEnergy:

Yeah. But like they, this is just what, this is how I talk to these people all the time.

Gene:

No, I know. I know. I know. But, but again, most people are not individuals, right? They're they don't they can say that to you, but they don't understand that. It's not true when they're saying it I I think that the fact that they've been manipulated For so many years by democrats is proof that they're manipulatable.

Ni**arificEnergy:

Oh no. So it's, it's easier to tell someone or to convince someone or to fool someone than it is to teach them that they have been duped.

Gene:

So I

Ni**arificEnergy:

it, especially if you add in the factor of normal people under normal circumstances, if you give them, if you just give them stuff, they're going to have favor

Gene:

why why do you

Ni**arificEnergy:

So,

Gene:

Why do you think men join gangs

Ni**arificEnergy:

protection. Be a part of something bigger than

Gene:

yes, yes, exactly. It's because that's what they're missing in their lives because they're easier to manipulate when they're not part of something that they believe in that is theirs. So the gang in a lot of ways, if the gang's doing crime, which they usually are as bad, right? But what is the gang providing? It is providing a sense of camaraderie. Of belonging to something greater than yourself of having a wise older people be watching out for you when you fuck up and you will fuck up. Everybody does when they're young, it's all these things that are effectively doing what a father at home does if he's a good parent, it's, it's a, it's a replacement for fatherhood. Not a very good one.

Ni**arificEnergy:

you just perfectly described what the Democratic Party is to those black people.

Gene:

Mm hmm.

Ni**arificEnergy:

It is the group that they run to, it is the father in the home, it is the, the, so like you're, to try to convince a person, like you can convince a kid to leave wherever the hell they're doing at a park,

Gene:

Mm

Ni**arificEnergy:

you show them candy in a bag,

Gene:

Yeah.

Ni**arificEnergy:

they'll ignore

Gene:

Gotta have a white, a white van though. Don't

Ni**arificEnergy:

that creepy ass van, yeah, they'll ignore the hell out of that creepy ass van, but, but you're trying to effectively lure those children with And it's they're never gonna take that,

Gene:

No, no, no, no,

Ni**arificEnergy:

because the other the van right beside you is giving them candy.

Gene:

no, but I'll tell you what you can do is if you give them nice uniforms and you teach them to get, It's gun permits, and then you put on a black parade, then they're pretty fucking excited to join.

Ni**arificEnergy:

right? Yeah, it's tough. That's why I would rather rich people step up. And create schools for them to go to, work programs for them to

Gene:

Yeah. Work programs are

Ni**arificEnergy:

teach them to, yeah, yeah, teach them to incentivize them

Gene:

Yeah. The fact is, I think we have multiple generations of black kids in general, but black boys in particular that have been robbed of their God given childhood. And it, the fault of that is directly pointing at Democrats. Because, because boys should grow up with fathers, they should grow up having somebody that's like them there and available to both play with them and scold them when necessary, but most importantly, to provide something to emulate as they get older. And these kids have been robbed and the fault lies greatly within the democratic party. How there isn't a lot of anger at the Democrats. It's what's amazing to me. How, how are black men not? All doing what you're doing and leaving the democratic party. That's the

Ni**arificEnergy:

a hand that feeds them. It's a hand that feeds them. I grew up very poor, and I always wanted to be way richer than the ceiling that the Democrats could, could put for me. Because if you think about it Think about all like the rich black people. They are either actors, professional athletes, or politicians. So neither one of those things is gonna happen for

Gene:

community leaders

Ni**arificEnergy:

well, yeah, yeah. But that's sort of political. You're just basically being paid by politicians, you know? But yeah, like that, that that's why it doesn't work out for a lot of those people. But If Al Sharpton can always come on CNN and undercut me by saying, oh, well, he's the black face of white supremacy, or, you know, that black people can you know, that black people can work for the white devil too, then your game is all, the ruse is all given up.

Gene:

that's my point is. I think that the, the only way to get black boys interested is on by giving them something that provides that father figure outside Democrats. And hopefully outside the gangs as well, right? But it's something that fulfills that human desire. And what is the masculine energy? What is it? Well, it's going to have regimentation. It's going to have order. It's going to have rules and expectations and punishments if those rules aren't obeyed. If you look at a gang, it has all that. You look at the Black Panthers, they have

Ni**arificEnergy:

what it also has is a A clear line of how to get to the top. It has a dominance hierarchy, whereas that's what I'm, that's what I'm asking. That's what I'm

Gene:

Absolutely. And, and hierarchies,

Ni**arificEnergy:

need

Gene:

hierarchies in general is a masculine trait. Women are perfectly fine with having nobody that's in charge, and that's why women can't run shit, because they're horrible at it. Men recognize that you need a pyramid. You need to have a structure that's hierarchical in place, and, you know, innately, we as men, we as boys when we were young, see that. That desire to be involved like that. Why do you think you can recruit men to join the military? Same fucking reason. It's the same thing. You don't have a bunch of girls streaming into just hoping to get into the military. You have some for sure. You know, but it's a minority and because it's out of character for, for women to do that.

Ni**arificEnergy:

right. I'm speaking specifically for blacks and you see way less blacks in the military than you do other places for sure. But like they are,

Gene:

to look that up? Cause I don't think that's true.

Ni**arificEnergy:

it's harder. Okay. Yeah, definitely. For

Gene:

to look at the percentage of blacks in us military versus the overall percentage. I keep talking.

Ni**arificEnergy:

Yeah. Because. They I think that what they definitely need is the order and the structure and the discipline. But I definitely think that they need to be shown. They're not going to ever accept that path willingly without a path to get them to the top. Like if, if, if they're not shown heroes at the top that they need to emulate and be like. And a path that they, okay, here's how you can make six figures. Here's how you can make some bread, young fella. If that's not shown to them, then they're never going to accept what Republicans have to say willingly over what Democrats have to say. Cause the candy's just too good. Like it's, it's, I know regular people, regular people who will not accept Things not being given to them. So like if somebody is giving them gifts and stuff like that, even if they know that the person is toxic, even if they know that the person has gifts that come with stipulations, they will still accept the gifts. It's bonkers to me, but yeah, it's, it just goes back to what you were saying like people just are not individuals and It's really tough for them to to step out against the grain.

Gene:

Yeah, it's so I'm looking at some stats here. It looks like. Blacks are the next highest group after whites, averaging a little over 20 percent

Ni**arificEnergy:

Oh, wow.

Gene:

In the U.

Ni**arificEnergy:

so it's what is it?

Gene:

The only interesting,

Ni**arificEnergy:

points higher than what the percentage of blacks are in the country, I guess

Gene:

men are averaging looks like a little over 60%. White men, I should say white, whites are averaging a little over 60%. What is interesting about black demographics in the U. S. military is unlike all the other races. There are more black women than black men in the military.

Ni**arificEnergy:

I'm not surprised by that. There are more black women in college, too.

Gene:

Yeah, well, that's true of white women too. That's true. I think of all races, there's more women than men in college, which I'm all for because frankly college is useless and men to be need to be spending time doing useful things. Not useless things.

Ni**arificEnergy:

Agreed but I just I just think that like in terms of so what gets Past as intelligence in black community is being able to speak very well at a very early age. They will call you, quote unquote, smart,

Gene:

Okay.

Ni**arificEnergy:

not, that's not intelligence. That's you being able to speak and often that lends itself into the kid getting smart mouth with the parent.

Gene:

Huh.

Ni**arificEnergy:

So they never quite breached the gap mentally of saying oh shit I should not be telling my kid that they're smart because they can say a bunch of words and act like me Back at me like I shouldn't be encouraging that behavior, but

Gene:

up with a single parent or a two parent family?

Ni**arificEnergy:

single

Gene:

Okay. So the problem with single parent families, or one of the problems, is that you don't have a separation between the caregiver and the punisher.

Ni**arificEnergy:

right?

Gene:

those two really should be two different people. Because if your caregiver punishes you for doing something wrong, Then they start losing their identity as a caregiver, and if they never punish you, then they keep their identity as a caregiver, but then you grow up with no recourse for any of your actions. That's not the only problem with it, obviously, but it's one of the problems, and I think for some kids, they may be introverted enough. Or in, you know, nerdy enough, like they're just not that bad of a kid to begin with. And so there's less punishment required along the way. And and having growing up with just the caregiver, while it's not ideal, has a lesser negative impact on that kid. If you have the other direction, you have somebody that's very extroverted, very outgoing, very strong headed. That's going to be the worst case scenario when you got either the caregiver has to also be the punisher and then that kid just never trusts women again for the rest of their lives when they grow up or they're never punished. And then that kid just becomes, you know, uh, a have, I don't know what the right single word is, but basically they, they think there's no consequences for their actions. They stop,

Ni**arificEnergy:

a

Gene:

following laws. Yeah. In a sense. Yeah. Yeah. So that's why I always go back to rebuilding the family unit. And incidentally, we're just specifically talking about, you know, black people in this episode, and it's not exclusive to black people. Like the, the, the, the fall of the traditional marriage within all other. groups, white, Asian, et cetera, is just as big of a problem. We're just not focusing on it right now. Maybe we'll do a different episode on white people problems, but it's, but it's, it's, I, you know, I'm not religious at all. I'm, I'm basically an atheist but I also don't. Dismiss just purely because these are issues that are brought up by the church that that they're not right. And the one area where the generally it's the religious people that always bring it up is that, you know, marriage is not. a function of the state. It's a function of God and his Children. And so the idea that people should be getting married is not something the government should have any say in one way or the other. And they sure as hell shouldn't be encouraging people to not get married because they're literally working against the natural Design of how humans should be behaving by doing that. So I would use slightly different language myself, but that's how the typically the religious people would phrase it. But, but it doesn't mean they're wrong. I think they are correct. I think that we've seen plenty of empirical evidence over the years, regardless of race. Of people that grow up in a two parent household having much better opportunities in the future than people who don't.

Ni**arificEnergy:

Yes, for sure. Can I'm just making sure you can still hear me because my headphones died.

Gene:

you know, I, I can hear you. And we, you know, we already started wrapping up. We can wrap up any minute. I just didn't want to cut you off.

Ni**arificEnergy:

oh, no worries. So I think that the family unit thing is a fix that is going to take at minimum 15 years.

Gene:

Mm

Ni**arificEnergy:

So what do we do? And this is like, why I've been like pushing back to the let's get, um. Uh, not necessarily social welfare programs for black people, but social opportunity programs for black people

Gene:

hmm. Mm hmm.

Ni**arificEnergy:

that we can capture the individuals. Right, because what is a family unit, right? A family unit is a man, right, who is, who has something that he wants to protect,

Gene:

Mm hmm.

Ni**arificEnergy:

in the, from now and in the future, which would be his family, right? But he can't get that thing unless he has a high paying job and, you know, goes through the steps like that. So that's

Gene:

we need, that's part of the other problem you just said, which is a high paying job, which is bullshit. People for all of human history have been coupling up when the man has had shit jobs. There's only a few high paying jobs that exist. Not everyone's going to have a high paying job. It doesn't mean that. Well, that man automatically is disqualified. That's retarded. Like a man brings into a relationship so much more than just money that it is asinine to focus on the money. I don't think you believe that, but I'm just saying that's how it's usually phrased. It's well, you got to have a high paying job. It's like bullshit. If, if I got to have a high paying job, well, you better have had modeling contracts, bitch.

Ni**arificEnergy:

Yeah, for sure. I do mean in the more not in the traditional sense or worldly sense of You have to have a six figure or whatever the fuck but that Okay, for sure. With inflation, it'll be eight any day

Gene:

Mm hmm.

Ni**arificEnergy:

But like a person who it makes enough that they can take care of not only themselves, but they can have other things that they want to take care of as well and that they can spend their money on in the future as well. I think without having that first, you're not going to find people who are Magically just want to have this family because

Gene:

Well, and that's, that's what we need to

Ni**arificEnergy:

complaining about that, like right now,

Gene:

But that's, that's what we need to change that perspective because guess what? How many high paying salaried men have lost their jobs? Plenty. And does that mean that, Oh, there's divorce immediately when that happens? That's not a marriage. That's, that's not, you know, onto death do us part. No. When, when it's purely like the guy's job is to provide the income for the family, no matter what, like that's, that's a good goal, but it's one of many that happens. And there, there are likely to be instances within the marriage. Where something changes, hopefully temporarily, but it could certainly change. You can get hit by a tornado and all your property is wiped out. And no matter how much money you're making, you still got to recover from that. That may cost you more than what you're making and insurance may figure out a way not to cover it. You know, there's a lot of shit that happens and that marriage has to be based on the fact that that. It's, again, it's like the saying goes during the marriage ceremony, right, for richer or poorer in sickness and in health.

Ni**arificEnergy:

for sure,

Gene:

And that,

Ni**arificEnergy:

that black people, you're talking about people who are already like in the thought process of. Wanting to create a good family. And you're talking about the rule set of what a good family is. I don't think that they'll be interested in having a family if they aren't secure in their finances, if they aren't secure in their other

Gene:

the alternative? They don't, they don't get married. They stay single. They still have sex. They still have kids, except now their kids are. You know, an additional cost to the mother. And why is the mother have a great job? What like out of the two alternatives, I think being with a guy who maybe works at McDonald's is still better than being with nobody.

Ni**arificEnergy:

Ooh, yeah, it's tough because in the black community, normally women marry up and across in dominance hierarchies, in the black community, that does not happen at all.

Gene:

Yeah. But that's why I'm saying is we need to bring the unmarried status to become undesirable again. That has to go hand in hand with any other changes, because if being unmarried. Is desirable. Well, of course, you're never going to have people that actually are interested in getting married unless it's a, some kind of a lottery winning situation like you marry a rich athlete or something, you know, but we all know that all those guys are just sparing weight women and that's, it kind of goes to what you were saying in terms of a mixed race couples and stuff and that there may not be any blacks left in the United States eventually. Um, I think, I think it has more to do with the the fact that really what we have in this country is not a black or white. What we have is the, the biggest group after the white population right now, I think is mixed race. And then after mixed race, we probably have Hispanic. And after Hispanic, we probably have Asian. And after Asian, we have black Americans. Because the number of black people who do a DNA analysis of their genes and have no European genetics at all is a very small number. And there's a bunch of these YouTube channels of people doing their DNA tests, and they're always shocked and surprised by how much European genetics they have. And it's well, you know, that probably wasn't a marriage. It doesn't mean it wasn't your relative. And

Ni**arificEnergy:

any,

Gene:

so how long,

Ni**arificEnergy:

I created you.

Gene:

that's right, exactly, you got the big head. So if, if we look at, maybe that's the solution that we ought to just start treating mixed race in the same way that we treat black, white, Latino, and Asian. then all of a sudden that becomes a much bigger group.

Ni**arificEnergy:

I do one drop of black blood, baby. I let drake say nigga. I don't care

Gene:

Yeah, and Drake is from where?

Ni**arificEnergy:

Canada

Gene:

East Canadian. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Ni**arificEnergy:

so that

Gene:

It, it's But that's the thing. It's if you go by the one drop of blood thing, then which drop of blood gets to be the dominant drop of blood? You know, there's How many people call themselves Irish and have just one drop of blood?

Ni**arificEnergy:

yeah,

Gene:

And then, like I told you, when I did my DNA, DNA analysis, I had 0. 03 percent of Pacific Islanders. So I'm officially a Somali now, or as the Somali, that's what I'm officially a Simone now.

Ni**arificEnergy:

Let's go. So yeah, I have a friend who's samoan and They would still not consider you Samoan.

Gene:

Obviously. No, my, my MMA coach was Simone and he was a big fucker, man. I'm, I'm like a, not a small guy. This guy was a big motherfucker.

Ni**arificEnergy:

Yeah. Samoans are absolutely normal.

Gene:

Yeah, they're, and I, I've always gotten along with Simone's real good. They're, they tend to have that sort of a like they don't, they don't show their emotions on their face. So even if they're telling a joke, they'll have a straight look on their face, which I pre I appreciate that kind of smart ass sarcastic attitude. So, yeah. And that's the thing. It's I, I may they may not call me a Simone, but I still have more than a Pocahontas did.

Ni**arificEnergy:

Yes. Oh my gosh. That was abysmal. She had

Gene:

She had none. She literally had none. And it was like, her rationale was, well, my father had a big nose and he, his friends always refer to him as Sitting Bull or something. It's okay, your dad had racist friends. What else? That's, that's your basis for placing yourself as Native American? The fuck, man. You know, and I, I've, you know, I grew up in Minnesota, like I said, so I've been to some Native ceremonies out there that the Sioux do. And the Dakota and Dakota and Lakota Sioux tribes and there, there are virtually no Native Americans in these tribes that aren't half white. There's a minuscule number because for a long time they were actually encouraged to go and marry outside of their race.

Ni**arificEnergy:

I think the last Comanche chief was half white too.

Gene:

And it's true of most chiefs. You look at them, and they're like, Oh, dude looks kind of like a brunette dude. A white brunette, you know.

Ni**arificEnergy:

yeah, they kidnapped the, the mom when she was like a little baby. And then she eventually became the chief's wife,

Gene:

mm hmm,

Ni**arificEnergy:

and then their son was the last. That's right. That's where Colt got really famous because the the Texas Rangers started to do cold camps and they had to camp out in order to beat the Comanches because they were the most feared tribe. And that's where like that all became really big cause they could then carry six shots instead of a one shot.

Gene:

Yeah, and you try reloading a single shot pistol on a horse.

Ni**arificEnergy:

Yeah. First off, you're going to miss that first shot

Gene:

Huh. Exactly. Hey man, I've played Red Dead. I know exactly how to slow time down and control my breath so I can hit every time.

Ni**arificEnergy:

Oh, look at you.

Gene:

Yeah. You ever, you ever played Red Dead Redemption?

Ni**arificEnergy:

I did.

Gene:

That's fucking awesome, man. It's the

Ni**arificEnergy:

It is. It is.

Gene:

Incredible work. I, I replayed Red Dead Redemption 2 about once every year to two years. So I think I've done four replays now. And it's always just blows me away at how good the storyline is.

Ni**arificEnergy:

Oh yeah. That's awesome.

Gene:

Yeah, good stuff. Anyway, your, your Mike's dying stuff's ending. We could probably keep talking for another two, three hours, but let's go ahead and wrap

Ni**arificEnergy:

Wrap it up.

Gene:

Yeah.

Ni**arificEnergy:

Yeah. You'll have to invite me back again, brother.

Gene:

Oh, absolutely. Dude, I think I enjoy these conversations and I think a lot of the listeners do as well, although they're bitching about. Oh, you're not on a professional mic.

Ni**arificEnergy:

I'll start a GoFundMe.

Gene:

There you go, that's what everybody does these days, right? That's what what's her name? Melissa Oh, who's that? That chick she was on Who's the Boss probably way before your time. She was in that show with the Three Witches. God, what is her name? Anyway, famous Hollywood actress with millions of dollars started a GoFundMe to send her kid to baseball camp. And immediately became a laughing stock on Twitter, on X, because it's like, Jesus Christ, man.

Ni**arificEnergy:

Things are getting rough,

Gene:

you're, you're asking people to donate money to send your kid to baseball camp when you're living in like a 8 million house in California. Okay.

Ni**arificEnergy:

Right. Yeah, that's that's you know, I sent you the joy read thing, too

Gene:

Oh, you did? Okay, cool. That sounds good. All right, guys, we're gonna close her up. Hopefully you enjoyed this episode and we'll definitely do more in the future as well.