Sir Gene Speaks

0081 Sir Gene Speaks with Dude Named Ben

August 26, 2022 Gene Naftulyev Season 2022 Episode 81
Sir Gene Speaks
0081 Sir Gene Speaks with Dude Named Ben
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Sir Gene:

This is sir, Gene joining me once again, this dude named Ben, how are you today?

Sir Ben:

I'm doing well, Gene, I'm doing well.

Sir Gene:

I know that question is somewhat irrelevant, cuz I don't really listen to what your, your answer is, but I feel like at least this early in the morning, I'm I'm gonna pretend to be polite.

Sir Ben:

early, please.

Sir Gene:

Oh, it's we're record this at like 6:00 AM. I don't know if anybody knows

Sir Ben:

Uhhuh may maybe depending on what coast you're

Sir Gene:

that, that, that one of us has. So consequently, we have to do it super early. Like this.

Sir Ben:

Actually I was thinking we can probably move it. We can probably do this during the week sometime now that you're unemployed,

Sir Gene:

We may be able to. That's true. I am unemployed now. Well do you have a, a thought onto when during the week

Sir Ben:

Prob I'm well, I know Fridays, aren't good for you considering unrelenting. So I was thinking, you know, usually Mondays and Fridays are pretty slow for me, so I can probably find some time.

Sir Gene:

Okay. Yeah, we could do that. Should should work for at least a while while I'm unemployed. Well, let's not bore people to death with the planning of podcasts and no one gives a shit about, but let's, let's see what's been happening lately. I know there's a, a lot of stories. They all tend to intermingle Is there a particular one you'd like to kick it off on.

Sir Ben:

You know, everyone's talking about Trump, but you know, we can go there or wherever you'd like to go,

Sir Gene:

Sure. Let's talk about Trump. Winnet

Sir Ben:

This raid on Malago.

Sir Gene:

mm-hmm what do you think?

Sir Ben:

So I've listened to a lot of analysis. I've looked at a lot of things and I think the FBI I think they jumped the shark. I think they have shot themselves in the foot and this is gonna do nothing but blow up in their faces.

Sir Gene:

So you, how do you think it's gonna blow up in their faces?

Sir Ben:

Well, right now the nuclear secrets meme going around is just, I mean, asinine a, I don't think he would take those. And if he did, it was probably on accident, not on purpose. And then B when you look at, so first of all, this, the act that everyone citing the qualifications for president is in the constitution. So Congress can't just pass a law, overriding the constitution so that even if he was convicted of this likely wouldn't stop him from running. And then the other thing is no one's ever convicted of this. I E look at Hillary Clinton,

Sir Gene:

well, he he'd have to be convicted of treason to not let 'em be present.

Sir Ben:

correct. Which

Sir Gene:

Which is probably what they're gonna.

Sir Ben:

But I don't think they're ever gonna get to that. That's such a high bar. I just don't see it.

Sir Gene:

A high bar. Sorry. I had guns in my mind. That's interesting. So what do you think the, the blowback for theba is gonna be

Sir Ben:

I think it's already tremendous. I think you've already seen violence. I think you've seen protests. I think you have a very animated base now. You know, it's, it's one of those things that it's, it's really, it's a jump the shark moment. It is a moment that depending on what comes of this in the next few weeks really could kick off, you know, potentially even violence in the us. And the reason why I say that is because if they have basically no justification and basically no findings out of this, it's gonna piss a lot of people off, cuz this has never happened to a sitting president or a former president rather at all. I mean, Nixon was allowed to resign and walk away in disgrace. Right there. There was not this follow up. Clinton's et cetera. I mean, this is like, if it wasn't for Trump, this would never have happened.

Sir Gene:

yeah, it seems slightly overreaching. I don't know that there's gonna be any real blowback though. I think that. The FBI given its size and the fact that it's very much a deep SAP, deep state operation that has very little to do with the current administration.

Sir Ben:

You know,

Sir Gene:

I think they're gonna be just fine.

Sir Ben:

I don't know. I think when Andrew Cuomo and Kelly and Conway's husband both come out and say, whoa, whoa, whoa, this is too much, you know, that's, that's saying something

Sir Gene:

That's just lip service. Doesn't matter until something happens. Nothing's gonna change.

Sir Ben:

actually I think Cuomo was like, oh shit, we're going after people now.

Sir Gene:

Well, yeah, Cuomo's thinking about himself. He's not concerned about Trump in this situation.

Sir Ben:

no, no.

Sir Gene:

I just, I don't, I don't see it changing. It's too big. It's too big man.

Sir Ben:

I, my immediate question is what, what, what were they so afraid of him having? You know, because I,

Sir Gene:

those photos of you know, of Joe's son with underage girls at at Lolita island

Sir Ben:

yeah, but there's lots of people who have things from Hunter's laptop that would indicate

Sir Gene:

seem to be a lot of laptops that Hunter's leaving around.

Sir Ben:

right.

Sir Gene:

Mm-hmm

Sir Ben:

uh, anyway yeah, I, I don't know, but the official narrative just reeks of

Sir Gene:

a best friend letter from Putin or something. I Don.

Sir Ben:

No there, so it, the only thing that I can understand that would make them go in after him like this and do it publicly. And you know, it not be a very hush, hush quiet thing is if they thought they had something that they could either nail him with or that they were very afraid of him using against them.

Sir Gene:

Yeah. Well, it's clearly the very afraid thing,

Sir Ben:

Yeah.

Sir Gene:

but just what is it? Cuz I, I don't, I don't

Sir Ben:

Hopefully we'll find out Monday when the warrant's unsealed, what they were

Sir Gene:

I thought it was already unsealed.

Sir Ben:

So not the attachments, the attachments haven't been. So,

Sir Gene:

It's gonna be something boring and inconsequential. That's my prediction.

Sir Ben:

yeah, because I don't think they're gonna put it on the

Sir Gene:

don't think they would actually. Exactly. They're not gonna unseal anything. That's actually interesting.

Sir Ben:

well, you know, again, I what's, what's the public's reaction to that going to be.

Sir Gene:

Do they care?

Sir Ben:

Yeah. I think a lot of

Sir Gene:

they do. Yeah.

Sir Ben:

I think this animated, a lot of people,

Sir Gene:

Which people, the people that were already not gonna vote for a Democrat

Sir Ben:

fine, but I think a lot of independence are now like, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, what's this. Because, you know, using the FBI as seemingly a political tool,

Sir Gene:

mm-hmm

Sir Ben:

that's where, you know, people have problems, but I don't know, maybe I'm.

Sir Gene:

Yeah, I, I we'll see. We'll see. I just, I think that this is yet another step towards full on 1984 with nothing but a lip service reaction. Where, where is the explosion that should be happening today? Where's that people are not mad enough

Sir Ben:

I, I don't know. I, I think people in my circles are fairly animated, but

Sir Gene:

again, animated I'm I'm saying where, where is the real blowback to that? Where are the consequences? They're not there?

Sir Ben:

in what consequences would you like to see?

Sir Gene:

9 11, 9, 11 times a thousand.

Sir Ben:

an attack on a federal building? I'm understanding

Sir Gene:

What I'm saying is it, it, the attack that regardless of who controlled the attack that happened on nine 11

Sir Ben:

mm-hmm

Sir Gene:

was an attack that changed not just the mood of the country, but the history of the country.

Sir Ben:

yes, I agree.

Sir Gene:

We've been saying you and I, and a whole bunch of other people and Tim pool that, oh, I think someone wars coming, I think countries headed for a divorce. And I'm just wondering, like, how much is it going to take for somebody to say I've had enough

Sir Ben:

Well, the problem is if, if someone gets a little too vocal about that, then they're gonna get smacked down. So I don't.

Sir Gene:

No, there have to be martyrs first.

Sir Ben:

Yeah. And I

Sir Gene:

We're not there yet. That is what I'm saying.

Sir Ben:

I, yeah, I agree. But I think that this could be one of those issues that depending on how it works out and trickles out

Sir Gene:

Mm-hmm

Sir Ben:

could be very animating. You know, we saw the guy attack the FBI office with an nail gun, which apparently he thought that would get through the Bulletproof class,

Sir Gene:

oh

Sir Ben:

know, things like that. Yeah. Not real high IQ voter there. Anyway,

Sir Gene:

but it's I just remember, and by no means, am I condoning this? I'm just reporting the news, but I just remember in the wake of Waco, Oklahoma city,

Sir Ben:

mm-hmm

Sir Gene:

we haven't had 'em on those,

Sir Ben:

if you believe that was the motivation and you know,

Sir Gene:

even if you don't, even if you don't there's or

Sir Ben:

have a hard time believing that the truck full of info did that, you know,

Sir Gene:

Well, that that's fine. It doesn't even have to be the truck. But my point being that, that there was enough of a mood in the country. Against the FBI and the ATF at that time. Well, both of 'em really. I mean, they were both participating in the murder of children. That, that event, when it happened was not at all surprising.

Sir Ben:

Man, I don't know about that. I,

Sir Gene:

thought you were surprised. I really wasn't. I was just wondering where it's

Sir Ben:

called, I called bullshit on the, I, first of all, I think that was a huge false flag. I don't buy the idea that a, that vehicle with info could have done the structural damage that we saw. I don't, you know, all the ATFs kids were out of the building at the time there. I mean, there's lots of things that you sit there and go, Hmm. I

Sir Gene:

yeah, exactly. Exactly. I totally agree with all that. But when that news came on, I was like, well, there you go. This is what they get for doing what they did.

Sir Ben:

Well, it, and it wasn't just Waco. I mean, you had, you know, you had Ruby Ridge and Waco right back to back. So yeah, it, there is no doubt that in the nineties, the tension in this country was pretty damn high. That looking back, we don't necessarily recognize it as much.

Sir Gene:

And this happened right after they banned the guns.

Sir Ben:

Yep.

Sir Gene:

So I don't know, man, I just,

Sir Ben:

he's talking about the original assault weapons band, by the way.

Sir Gene:

right. I guess if you're not old enough to remember that you wouldn't know what I'm talking about. That's true. Yeah. That was the Clinton assault weapons band, which shockingly, like, I didn't even realize this at the time had a sensitive clause.

Sir Ben:

Yeah, it did

Sir Gene:

Like I

Sir Ben:

and that they allowed it to sunset.

Sir Gene:

it's amazing. It's amazing that they didn't put it in without a census, cuz I don't think any new legislation regarding gun control has a sunset clause

Sir Ben:

I think all legislation should have sunset

Sir Gene:

oh, I agree. I agree. That would clean out a lot of old unneeded and poorly written laws

Sir Ben:

Yep.

Sir Gene:

and make the work of judges a lot easier too.

Sir Ben:

Well, I, you know, I, I, I wish so Japan is reorganizing its government and there's been a few memes running around about the entirety of the Japanese, you know, government resigning, but it's really,

Sir Gene:

I've only seen the headlines. Do you know anything beyond that?

Sir Ben:

So they're currently trying to do some reorganization, the prime, minister's got some talking points about what he's calling new capitalism. There's not a lot out there that's I would say fully credible. I mean, most of the sources that are reporting on this are quite frankly Russian, the Western media hasn't picked up on it yet and I don't read Japanese. So, yeah, it, it, it'll be interesting to see what, if anything comes out, but that when I hear terms like new capitalism, that does not sound good.

Sir Gene:

Yes. Yes. That sound a little Chinese.

Sir Ben:

Yes, which did you see? That's another subject from this week. Did you see China's white paper proposing one government, two systems to Taiwan

Sir Gene:

Mm-hmm yep.

Sir Ben:

and the Taiwanese rejected it.

Sir Gene:

Yeah. We'll see how they reject it.

Sir Ben:

I, I don't know, man. You know, so China's efforts why ha here, here's a question for you. Why has Japan not taken a stronger stance against China after missiles fell into their territorial waters?

Sir Gene:

I don't know. They generally hate him and well, it's, it's mutual. I think the Chinese, he Japanese, Japanese, he, the Chinese

Sir Ben:

Mm-hmm

Sir Gene:

that's been my experience. Anyway. In fact, I remember walking around in Japan and I was eating breakfast in the hotel and there's another guy there that I heard speaking English. So we ended up chatting a little bit and Turned out he Chinese or he was from mainland China. And so we ended up like, you know, going, get, getting food and walking around some of the tourist stuff together. And the whole time he's just either making fun of Japanese stuff or talking about how horrible Japanese people are. So I thought it was pretty funny at the time.

Sir Ben:

Well, what you have to remember is the invasion, you know, the Japanese occupation of China

Sir Gene:

You mean the rape

Sir Ben:

now. I mean, that's where Japan got most of the materials and resources for the campaigns during war II. And by the way, what people need to realize and why Taiwan is as important as it is the Chinese is the Japanese basically use the island of Taiwan as a unsinkable aircraft carrier to just knock the Chinese back and down

Sir Gene:

Yeah. And I I've heard that referred or that the reference to that as to why Taiwan cannot become any more American militarized than it currently is, is because it, it poses an existential threat to China.

Sir Ben:

in their view. Yes.

Sir Gene:

Yeah. Well, it's usually the country for whom the existential threat exists, whose view is going to shape what ends up happening.

Sir Ben:

Yeah. So I think if China tries to take over Taiwan by force, right now, we would have to act. And I think it would not be a fun day, but

Sir Gene:

I don't think it will happen. I serious the thing, I don't think people are gonna be gung-ho and supporting $10 per gallon gas here in this country. And sure as hell, they're not gonna be spurring American lives lost to save a little island off the coast of China.

Sir Ben:

I don't know. Maybe, maybe we'll be too distracted by our own civil war.

Sir Gene:

Well, it would certainly put some more fuel on the fire of American civil war if that happens, because when I say American people, won't obviously a percentage of American people won't and I think a majority percentage will not support a two front war for America.

Sir Ben:

Well, we haven't declared a war against Russia yet,

Sir Gene:

We, we haven't declared a award since war war II. So it's kind of irrelevant,

Sir Ben:

but

Sir Gene:

know, whether you call it a war, Russia, hasn't declared a war against Ukraine either. So there is no war. It's just a special military operation in Russia and there's aid in the us, but yet everyone seems to call it what they see it.

Sir Ben:

Yeah, well,

Sir Gene:

So I don't know. I, I just, I think right now people are just starting to realize that the new normal is here and that involves the country shipping money overseas and spending 87 billion to hire new people with guns to come and take your money. And if you add another war.

Sir Ben:

IRS agents.

Sir Gene:

Yeah, exactly. And that's at a billion dollars per thousand agents is what the authorization is. So

Sir Ben:

They also have a few rounds of ammunition that they've recently purchased.

Sir Gene:

yeah, and I don't remember how much, but it didn't seem like it was as high as like, it wasn't as big a number as people seemed to be making it out to me. Do you remember the exact

Sir Ben:

people not understanding that the IRS has a policing division, which again, there should be no federal police. There is no federal authority for police in the constitution, but, you know, Hey,

Sir Gene:

yep. Doesn't seem to stop him. Federal police just raid an ex president's house. So

Sir Ben:

Well, and, you know, abolish the ATF abolish the FBI. It's.

Sir Gene:

you know, where, where we're getting to slowly here abolish the government.

Sir Ben:

Yeah.

Sir Gene:

That's where we're gonna end up the way things are going.

Sir Ben:

Okay. And say when

Sir Gene:

that's called a big reset. We we go to anarchy and then out of that comes a new government.

Sir Ben:

yeah, well,

Sir Gene:

you get your wish and we we don't have a constitution. We have just the articles consideration.

Sir Ben:

yeah, I don't think that that would fly too many people have been propaganda that the articles of Confederation were bad. You know, I mean, we had rebellions during, under the articles of Confederation. We had rebellions after the constitution was

Sir Gene:

mm-hmm

Sir Ben:

Both are flawed documents. Obviously we, we are here, the constitution. Isn't perfect. Sorry. You know, I've never understood why

Sir Gene:

well, it wasn't perfect until women had got the right to vote, obviously then it became perfect Uhhuh. Uhhuh.

Sir Ben:

I'm I'm not a fan of people who, you know, just worship the constitution. It's, you know, it's, it's a political document and it's only as good as how it's enforced and used. And we haven't we haven't maintained that very well.

Sir Gene:

True story. No, that's the case. I was talking though. buddy of mine that I've been playing video games with for many years,

Sir Ben:

Mm-hmm

Sir Gene:

hadn't talked to him in quite a while. He's kinda not been playing much. And as we're just chatting about a variety of things parents dying last year and stuff like that, we're about same age. He said, you know, I wish you guys in Texas would just finally just declare your independence.

Sir Ben:

Yeah.

Sir Gene:

I'm like, yeah, we do too.

Sir Ben:

Well, and you know, so it's interesting. So DeSantis, there's been some rumors that DeSantis is threatening an executive order to have all of Florida government not cooperate with the federal government,

Sir Gene:

yeah.

Sir Ben:

if he does that,

Sir Gene:

Mm-hmm

Sir Ben:

that will be a huge and interesting step.

Sir Gene:

Yeah.

Sir Ben:

so you know, the, the lefties, like to talk about it with sanctuary cities and so on, which yeah. And, you know, here, here's what I would

Sir Gene:

what it should be,

Sir Ben:

Yes. Well, I, I don't agree with the principle of, you know, protecting illegal aliens necessarily, but I fully,

Sir Gene:

within one area.

Sir Ben:

but I fully support the local government's authority to do it.

Sir Gene:

Yeah, yeah, that would be interesting. I mean, in some ways wouldn't that be really like a declaration of a. You know,

Sir Ben:

Well, it's under the nullification principle, right? It's, it's a step in the right direction. What I'd like to see Texas and Florida and you know, any other states that wanna come with

Sir Gene:

Say Louisiana, Alabama, maybe Mississippi.

Sir Ben:

I, I, I think we could get the entire Gulf coast plus Arkansas and Oklahoma.

Sir Gene:

Yeah. How about Mexico? Let's let's pull them into,

Sir Ben:

Let's not,

Sir Gene:

oh, come on, man. We need labor.

Sir Ben:

it? No failed narco states. Let's not go down that road,

Sir Gene:

well, you don't think it can be reformed into a non failed NACO state.

Sir Ben:

not without a war.

Sir Gene:

Yeah.

Sir Ben:

And not only that, the culture of corruption

Sir Gene:

Wait, but what if the drugs are legal?

Sir Ben:

So I, I still think you are going to have very wealthy, very powerful men who are not going to want to let go of that control.

Sir Gene:

Right, but it's not really a NACO state at that point. It's just an oligarch state

Sir Ben:

Okay. Well, that's not a great one either. So

Sir Gene:

Ukraine.

Sir Ben:

no argument there no. Now I, if you, if you legalize the drugs and said to the cartels, Stop this nonsense. You've got your wealth just stop

Sir Gene:

I think the cartels are mostly just a distribution system. Not so much a manufacturing facility. Like. It, what they're doing is providing high risk distribution services for, for lots of money.

Sir Ben:

it, it, some of them, some of them are also manufacturing, but that's really not relevant.

Sir Gene:

yeah, but I don't think they're manufacturing in a sense that they're gonna keep manufacturing, even if it was legal, that they're just happy to go legal if they can. I think the only reason they're manufacturing is just, you know, to, to remove one step from the chain and make a little extra money.

Sir Ben:

Yeah. I, I fully would expect them to go into some other criminal enterprise. You know? I mean, the, the fact that, you know, cartels, aren't just about

Sir Gene:

running for president.

Sir Ben:

our prostitution or whatever else. Yeah. You know,

Sir Gene:

Well, if that was legal, you know,

Sir Ben:

Yeah. I mean, you can get rid of a lot of organized crime by liberalizing your laws.

Sir Gene:

exactly. is a very good point. So I don't know. I, as far as we started with this whole Trump FBI topic let's wrap that up. I, I think that it's par for the course, it demonstrates the mentality of not just occurred administration, but the same people that were trying to get Trump thrown out of office when he was in office. This is same group,

Sir Ben:

Yeah. And it's the same delusions too.

Sir Gene:

Yeah. Yeah, exactly. Same delusions. So short of. Completely getting rid of their organization. I don't think there's a win here because the people that are the least likely to lose their jobs are exactly the ones that are doing this and pushing for this type of overreach. They're, they're the lifelong you know, 20 plus year veterans of the organization.

Sir Ben:

Mm-hmm

Sir Gene:

It's, it's not the guy that was just came out of the FBI academy last year. That's the guy who's willing to do anything that he's told, which is not a good thing. He either, but I don't think that firing a few folks from the FBI is gonna clean anything. I think you literally have to remove that as a government entity. That'll be the only way to fix it.

Sir Ben:

and you know, here's where traditional liberals and traditional conservatives might get in line because quite frankly, the FBI has been a corrupt organization since its founding, you know, J or Hoover, anyone,

Sir Gene:

Mm-hmm

Sir Ben:

it, it has not been, but. A very corrupt black male organization in most. I'm not saying that they don't also do some good work here and there, but that can be accomplished by other means and should be. So, yeah, I, Hey get rid of as much federal policing power as possible as far as I'm concerned.

Sir Gene:

Yep. And I just don't I don't see any other way around it cuz otherwise the, the bad individuals that are gonna, they're gonna continue to infect organization unless the whole thing is shut down.

Sir Ben:

Well, and this is where, you know, setting a limit on federal service of all kinds could be beneficial, you know, saying, Hey, no one person can have a federal government job for more than 10 years,

Sir Gene:

Mm-hmm

Sir Ben:

you know, boom done you once. You've served 10 years in the federal government. You're out. You can't, you don't go to another agency. You don't do anything you are out.

Sir Gene:

yeah. Yeah. That would be very good. There's no way in hell that that would ever pass, but that would be a good way to do it.

Sir Ben:

Well, I mean, it'd be great because then, you know, so we, we can say 12 years, so senators, you get two terms, you know, and that's it.

Sir Gene:

Mm-hmm

Sir Ben:

but did you see the IRS job posting.

Sir Gene:

no

Sir Ben:

so they were offering like a 80 K salary for an IRS agent that must be willing to use deadly force if necessary.

Sir Gene:

Well, sign me up. God, you get to go kill people and, and like legally that's a hell of

Sir Ben:

the IRS, I mean, come on, armed IRS agents. Why, why is that necessary?

Sir Gene:

Yeah. Well,

Sir Ben:

Yeah. Taxation. Anyone who says taxation isn't theft, the IRS literally has a job posting for an IRS agent to use deadly force if

Sir Gene:

well, anyone who thinks that they're not currently a surf is an idiot.

Sir Ben:

Yeah. I mean, it depends to what what

Sir Gene:

owns you right now and they can do with you as they please.

Sir Ben:

Yes.

Sir Gene:

And the constitution provides just a basic few protections on how they treat you when they own you. But they absolutely own you.

Sir Ben:

Well, the constitution, I think provides quite a bit of protection if they were following it. The problem is that it hasn't been followed, you know, even right after its creation, it was not followed.

Sir Gene:

Mm-hmm

Sir Ben:

The alien institutions acts, the things that were done right afterwards were, you know, horrible.

Sir Gene:

Yeah. They're, it's, that's true as well, but ultimately. People here just have been fed a line about how much freedom you have as American. You really don't you, you are a spoken machine, a Cove machine of immense size that is completely subject to the whims of the machine and the people that control it. It's a look at the people that went to let's just say protest, but I, I don't think they were in protesting. And then people that just showed up in Washington, DC in January 6th literally did nothing violent at all. And yet how many stories we've now seen of people serving six months or more in prison? For what? For, for making the government look bad? That's that's the crime you committed, you made a politician feel like maybe the population isn't with them. Yeah. They're gonna serve, serve time in prison for that. The the doctor what was her name? Gold. I think the founder of doctors American frontline doctors, the, the ones that came out talking about the dangers of the. Coine and the fact that there are other treatments currently in prison serving six months,

Sir Ben:

On what charges

Sir Gene:

She was one of the people on January 6th on incitement of whatever.

Sir Ben:

really?

Sir Gene:

Yeah.

Sir Ben:

I did not realize

Sir Gene:

on her list. I'm getting the emails, but yeah, she's she's currently in prison. She is a lawyer and a doctor. She has both a JD and an MD

Sir Ben:

Hm.

Sir Gene:

and she was you know, the face of that movement of doctors, people that are actually qualified saying, hold on a second, this is a disease we can treat. Why are we going into these draconian measures that are unproven

Sir Ben:

Well, and harmful. So

Sir Gene:

and as was suspected and later turned out to be absolutely the case harmful. Yeah. Yeah.

Sir Ben:

I mean, I, I think the lockdowns probably killed more people than COVID did

Sir Gene:

Como killed more people.

Sir Ben:

well. Yes.

Sir Gene:

I mean, it's, it, it, if I don't care what disease people have, if you take a bunch of people with compromised immune systems, cuz they're 80 years old and then you put them into an environment where they're surrounded by diseases, you're always gonna have a much higher mortality.

Sir Ben:

Yeah.

Sir Gene:

What you gotta do is space 'em apart and stick 'em outside. So they breathe fresh air.

Sir Ben:

yeah, well, we can't do that. So gene, what's your take on monkeypox

Sir Gene:

I know very little about it. I do know that I can't get it cuz I've been vaccinated. But wait, what are you laughing at?

Sir Ben:

why did you get a monkeypox vaccine,

Sir Gene:

And because I'm older than you and back in the day, we actually had vaccines given to kids for that

Sir Ben:

smallpox and stuff.

Sir Gene:

but it was a, yeah, it was a different smallpox vaccine than it's currently. So yeah, so I'm personally not worried about it, but I think that that it sure seems like they're, they're trying to hype this up into the new aids.

Sir Ben:

Well, I think there's a lot of hype, but I think, you know, it, it's interesting cuz this has been around for a long time and I've seen no argument or evidence that there're saying that it's a different strain or something is mutated or anything like that. There's very little information at this point. So it kind of makes me wonder, you know, this has been around for a long. I wonder if it hasn't been background radiation noise, and all of a sudden everybody gets vaccinated and boosted and everything else, and they're compromised their immune system to the point where now this is the thing

Sir Gene:

you're you're I think you're onto something because. I hate to generalize, but I do think that the current population that's most affected by monkey packs, which is a nice way of saying gay men. I think that they're statistically, we're also more likely to listen to all the vaccine propaganda.

Sir Ben:

mm-hmm

Sir Gene:

They they're typically on the liberal side of the equation and would be more likely to do what a liberal government tells 'em

Sir Ben:

And then you have a subset of, you know, gay men who are pretty promiscuous and, you know, that's a, and by no means, do I think this is confined to this is not an aids. This is not gonna be a disease that is confined to homosexuals for long. If my theory is right, because all it's going to take is close contact with someone who, you know, in your immune system being compromised for the same reason, and it will jump and follow, but we'll.

Sir Gene:

Yeah. So I guess there's about thousand cases in Texas now.

Sir Ben:

Yeah, there was one there's one in Waco. It was the closest one to me so far. So

Sir Gene:

well, it's also also fascinating to me that all these diseases come out of Africa, except for the ones that are manmade coming outta.

Sir Ben:

well, Africa and Chi,

Sir Gene:

seems to the Congo definitely seems to be the production factory for viruses

Sir Ben:

Well, not just, not just Africa, Southeast Asia has historically produced a lot of zoonotic viruses as well. You know, part of that is just, you have really part of it's just poverty and people living in close proximity with animals that doesn't happen in the Western world. I mean, even if you live on a farm or something like that, you you're not, you don't have a goat sleeping in the, under the same roof as you, you know,

Sir Gene:

Well speak for yourself. BA

Sir Ben:

we got one of those ISIS brides, huh?

Sir Gene:

Yeah, I says right. Do you ever see Woody Allens, the everything you always wanted to know about sex?

Sir Ben:

No, I

Sir Gene:

It's a hilarious

Sir Ben:

Allen fan.

Sir Gene:

Well, I, this, this one is really funny. And I, I kind of am, but it was a made in the seventies or maybe it was early, early eighties, but it, it basically tackles a lot of sexual perversions, I guess you could say in a funny way. Yeah. Tab, but it was in a funny way. And it's made of a bunch of small sort of vignettes and one of them was gene Wilder is a psychiatrist or psychologist. And he has a patient comes in that that wants help because he is in love with a sheep. And

Sir Ben:

this story recently.

Sir Gene:

I probably did, because it was hilarious. Anyway, anybody that hasn't watched that I'm not gonna retell it, then you're right. Do check out everything you always want to know about sex.

Sir Ben:

I haven't watched very many movies or TV shows lately that aren't you know, kids shows. So maybe

Sir Gene:

well maybe you're about due for one. Yeah, exactly. But it's all in a kind of a hilariously ridiculous, you know, I'll give you one other example from there that I didn't talk about. Is there one of the little vignettes is about a a, a middle age or a queen in the middle ages, not a middle aged queen, she's young, but like, you know, back in the, the days of Y and this, this guy has been flirting with her and, and is trying to have sex with her and then realizes that she's got a Chasity belt on. And, and so he ends up trying to, you know, get into the chastity belt and in the process ends up getting stuck in the chastity belt. It's it's funny. It's just take moment for it. It's funny.

Sir Ben:

do chastity devices work at all? I don't, I don't see that as a functional thing.

Sir Gene:

toy. Sure. They do.

Sir Ben:

well, that that's about it.

Sir Gene:

Yeah. I mean the whole concept is ludicrous to begin with, but

Sir Ben:

well, you know, the, the, the device, yes. Be having chastity and, you know, taking taking time to find the right person. I don't know that that's ludicrous, but.

Sir Gene:

but the, the person to unlock the chest develop.

Sir Ben:

No, no, no. I'm not talking about the device itself. I'm talking about the concept of, you know, saving oneself for certain items,

Sir Gene:

Yeah. Well that's, I mean, historically that's part of the value of a woman is the, the fact that she comes to you on someone.

Sir Ben:

Yes.

Sir Gene:

I mean, that's that's historically, that was a thing.

Sir Ben:

Yeah. And you know, part of that was really before birth control, because you didn't want UN unplanned pregnancies

Sir Gene:

sure as hell didn't want somebody else's kids.

Sir Ben:

you wanted the form of marriage.

Sir Gene:

Yeah. And even the idea of like adopting the previous, you know, the, the person's kids from a previous relationship is fairly new. Usually they were just sent off to an Abby or so.

Sir Ben:

yeah. Well, you know, the, that's also a product of no fault divorce and that coming up, you know, because now you have a lot more women out there that have been divorced and have kids

Sir Gene:

Mm-hmm, exactly. That's the thing.

Sir Ben:

Yes.

Sir Gene:

yeah. Yeah. I mean, it's what do you do? Right? You take the kids away from them when they get divorced,

Sir Ben:

Hm. Hmm.

Sir Gene:

have government run kids, facilities. What, what do you call the orphanages? Sorry, your mom got divorced. Now you have to go live in nor orphanage.

Sir Ben:

Yeah, no, I Well, this is why I think it's better just not to get divorced, but you know, that's me.

Sir Gene:

I'm better not to get married cuz that's the real secret.

Sir Ben:

Well, I know you've already done it at

Sir Gene:

My, my opinion on this is well known is men are not made to be tied to the same person for their whole life. Women are, but only because that ensures that their children grow up in a better environment, but men are.

Sir Ben:

Well, I mean, there's lots of things to unpack there. I think if you want to go be a hehe and give into those hedonistic ways than sure. But I think that there is something for a man to find a purpose different than that. And you know, for me,

Sir Gene:

Yeah, that's all philosophical. I'm talking about just from purely historical standpoint, the, the likelihood of a woman dying from pregnancy,

Sir Ben:

mm-hmm,

Sir Gene:

Back let's just go back 10,000 years. Not very far back, not the millions

Sir Ben:

far back and I don't think

Sir Gene:

no million years is how far we got back in, in virtually the same exact state that we're in right now. So there's a lot of evolutionary pressure for, for the characteristics that we're experiencing right now to have developed, but even okay, fine. 2000 years, whatever, pick a number. Pre-medicine essentially, it, it is extremely likely that a man could die before getting a woman pregnant because men didn't amass the type of wealth and influence to be able to afford, to have a wife to pay for dowry until later in life. So a man could die young. And a woman was a lot more likely to die as a product of having kids and therefore the man would end up marrying once again. So the, the idea that the men that survived long enough to get wives tended to be in a much more likely state to get more than one wife, not at the same time, but the wife would typically die as part of the process of childbirth. This is a dangerous thing without medical intervention. I dunno if people realize that or it's a risky thing I should say, maybe not dangerous, isn't the right word, but it's definitely risky. And so, you know, this is the genetics that we're built on. These are what is what we are the products of for millennia. And so all these modern concepts like, oh, you should you know, get married to one person, spend the rest of your time life with them. Yeah. I mean, the, there there's rational reasons for this, but we weren't really, this is not how we developed This is not what we came out of. This is a fairly new concept, kinda like women voting

Sir Ben:

Boy, you just like to bring that one up? Yeah, I mean, there, there, there's no doubt that the child mortality rate and the rate of women dying in birth was higher than it is now, but it wasn't that high. You know, otherwise we, as a species wouldn't survived, but it's definitely true that

Sir Gene:

It was pretty, I mean, the, it wasn't high that a woman would die during her first pregnancy, but because the child mortality rates were higher, women would have 4, 5, 6, 7 times that they were pregnant. I'm not even saying or more sure. Oh, in fact, my buddy that I was talking to yesterday, family of nine kids.

Sir Ben:

well, my, my mom's one of 10.

Sir Gene:

Yeah. That's insane. But you know, that was the standard. That was the norm. And with each pregnancy, there's a chance that either the kid or the mom dies and for the kids themselves, I mean, the reason there were so many kids is for the same reason, there a lot of places that are less developed like in Africa or even certainly parts of south America where you have to have 5, 6, 7, 8, 9 kids because

Sir Ben:

They have to work

Sir Gene:

half of 'em make it to 20.

Sir Ben:

well and you need the labor

Sir Gene:

Yeah. You need, well, yeah. That's, I think that's always been a driver for re if you, if you don't need the, the labor, why would you have that many kids? But but also just the mortality rate was high enough that a lot of 'em didn't make it, you even look at European. Like, go back 200 years, 300 years ago. And you look at people that were prominent enough to have their histories recorded.

Sir Ben:

mm-hmm

Sir Gene:

An awful lot of 'em had, you know, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10 kids with like three surviving to full of adult age and reproduction themselves.

Sir Ben:

well, and this is also something that has to be considered that most men throughout history didn't reproduce,

Sir Gene:

Absolutely. Yes.

Sir Ben:

you know?

Sir Gene:

And it's, it's still the case right now. There there's

Sir Ben:

oh yeah. The, the amount of non paternal events has done nothing, but go up.

Sir Gene:

mm-hmm Yep. And right now, so one of the shows I was watching the, the stats in it's, this is in the EU. So I I'm sure it's a little different in the us, but not much in the EU of the stats are that right now 39% of males between 20 and 30 are virgins. They've never had sex.

Sir Ben:

You've been watching pearly things again, haven't

Sir Gene:

Yes, I have. I like watching poorly things. I totally randomly stumbled on her show, but I'd probably watch like an episode every couple days now.

Sir Ben:

Okay. I don't

Sir Gene:

but I believe it, I believe it. I mean, like I meet

Sir Ben:

the problem I have with her show and I've watched a couple of them since you've sent me links and things.

Sir Gene:

I, I do that.

Sir Ben:

Yeah. The, the problem I have is just, just stupidity that is on

Sir Gene:

Oh, across the board. Yeah, I know. That's you. Yeah.

Sir Ben:

I mean, it's like

Sir Gene:

and they're not even college kids. These are like 30 year olds. You know, most people on that show are like 28 to 32.

Sir Ben:

yeah.

Sir Gene:

They're. They're not college students, which was what? My initial impression. Oh, these are college kids. Well, no, they're not. Yeah. The stupidity is rampant. I mean, it is, is nuts. The other thing is I always kind of, I leave a comment almost every time I watch it is like, where's the white guys.

Sir Ben:

Well

Sir Gene:

you have white girls, you have a whole slew of races,

Sir Ben:

the there's a whole thing there isn't there.

Sir Gene:

there kind of is. Yeah, exactly. Cuz you, well, what about the perspective of all those virgins? I mean don't you wanna invite some of them on too?

Sir Ben:

Yeah. Well, I, I think that there's some preferences that are being expressed.

Sir Gene:

Mm-hmm yeah, that's for sure.

Sir Ben:

Did, did you watch Tim pool last night by chance?

Sir Gene:

I watched very little of it because I was on phone calls all night. What, what, what wish topic? Let's see if I was part of the one they watched.

Sir Ben:

oh, it was all the Trump stuff and everything else that we've already covered, but what was so funny is Ian U misusing Arian, and just Tim was like, you need to look that up before you look stupid and it's and you just kept doubling down. And it

Sir Gene:

Well, he always looks

Sir Ben:

I know, but I, I think Tim was finally getting enough. I mean, I, I had to just shut it off cuz it was just too much for me, but I think Tim was finally getting to the point where maybe Ian won't be on the show so much.

Sir Gene:

Uhhuh

Sir Ben:

I, I can hope then I might be able to watch

Sir Gene:

more of it. I know. Yeah. I've never understood. Ever since Ian started popping up on there, why I get it, their friends, I get it. They, you know, skateboard together or whatever the fuck. But Ian constantly, every single episode just puts his foot in his mouth and is completely oblivious to it. Like he has the, the totally straight face when he says things. And they're usually the pattern is he starts saying something that's on topic. And sounds like he's going to make a point that aligns with what the current conversation is. And then somewhere in the middle of the sentence, he takes a sharp left turn and comes to a conclusion in that point, that is either the opposite or about some other completely different graphing

Sir Ben:

yeah. Squirrel.

Sir Gene:

I was like, oh my God, if you, if you're not the best example of don't do drugs kids, I don't know what is.

Sir Ben:

you have yes. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Sir Gene:

And I'm sure he is a nice guy. I'm sure if he's, you know, in the kitchen making food for you and stuff and having small talk, he's probably a nice guy to, to chit chat with, but, but it's just embarrassing. I'm, I'm embarrassed for Tim in having Ian on that show because he always manages to put his foot in his mouth. This

Sir Ben:

Yeah. It's, it's one of those things that, you know, and I don't agree with Tim all the time, but he does have some pretty decent guests and it's worth listening to, to an extent, but it, it gets hard when Ian's really going off and doing something, cuz it's just like, oh my God, please just

Sir Gene:

and then the other guy that I dislike on there I mean, thankfully they got rid of him, one of the guys who turned out to be a pornographer, but Jack but the other guy that they've started bringing in that I totally don't like, is this like recently read pilled comedian dude, millennial guy. I can't remember his name. Who has never anything interesting to add.

Sir Ben:

no, he's just like, oh, I didn't know that.

Sir Gene:

Yeah. And it, it, he is just totally tatted up and not in a good way. And it just has nothing, nothing at all. I just, why haven't.

Sir Ben:

well apparently he's gonna be doing the cast castle vlog comedy show now and

Sir Gene:

Great. That's perfect. Keep him off of Tim Poland.

Sir Ben:

yeah, well,

Sir Gene:

something else to do. I'm sure there's a whole segment that just thinks he's hilarious. I'm not part of that segment for sure.

Sir Ben:

Yeah Oh shoot. Who was on there? Jack Paso was on there

Sir Gene:

yeah, I am very mixed feelings about Jack SOIC.

Sir Ben:

oh, I would like to hear them cuz I probably share some similar mixed feelings.

Sir Gene:

I think he has an interesting background. But he is, I don't know. He, he just he's smarmy. That's not a good quality. And he he is one of those people who thinks that his opinions are facts

Sir Ben:

Mm-hmm

Sir Gene:

and they're not. And I think for a lot of people, like, they just don't know any better, so they just go and nod. Their heads is like, oh, wow. Yeah, Jack's such a smart guy, but no, no, he's not. And I also think that the political motivation there is not pure.

Sir Ben:

oh absolutely. I think somewhat controlled opposition.

Sir Gene:

Yeah. I'm not a fan of using terms like that because you don't need to be controlled in order to act that way. That could be completely self-imposed.

Sir Ben:

It very much could be you're right. I E Jack Murphy.

Sir Gene:

Jack Murphy. Exactly. Nobody. I don't think anyone was controlling Jack Murphy. Maybe, maybe, but you know,

Sir Ben:

I don't

Sir Gene:

I did, but I

Sir Ben:

himself up for some blackmail material there.

Sir Gene:

Well, he did, but also like, I didn't like Jack Murphy and I talked about it in the comments in Tim pool section from the get, go to me, he just always seemed phony. Like there's one of the things, and then people are gonna think this is ridiculous, but his beard is backwards. The coloration of his beard is completely unnatural. It is clearly done with hair coloring. And of course he always talked about how no, no people always ask me no how my beard grows in bullshit, man, that's genetically impossible.

Sir Ben:

well,

Sir Gene:

I've done the research on beards. Believe me, it's beards. Don't look like that. The areas that start to go gray first are consistent amongst European men.

Sir Ben:

Uhhuh

Sir Gene:

His are literally backwards. The areas on his beard that are quote unquote gray are the areas that are last to go gray. And the areas that are red are the ones that are the first to go gray. It it's just consistent in the population. So, given all the other lies that he's said, I think this is just yet one more.

Sir Ben:

I'll have to go look at where the gray hairs are coming in on my beard and let you know.

Sir Gene:

Don't need to it's it's the same for everybody.

Sir Ben:

Okay. What areas go gray first, then gene do tell

Sir Gene:

Well, it's, it's a kind of an area around your go to

Sir Ben:

mm-hmm

Sir Gene:

it's. It's very you'll well, first of all, you gotta have a beard long enough to notice these things. Right. But if you do what you'd see is that I guess what do, what do you call that area? That's not like on the outside of your go to that will typically stay colored

Sir Ben:

Mm-hmm

Sir Gene:

pretty much every European now it's different for Asian men stuff, but on European beards and your go tea is where you're going to start getting the, the hairs turning weight in first.

Sir Ben:

Yeah. Okay. Yeah. I can see what you're saying there.

Sir Gene:

It's like it it's obvious the guy uses

Sir Ben:

whatever,

Sir Gene:

hair color. Well, that's his worst

Sir Ben:

Yeah, man, I like the style. I think it looks good.

Sir Gene:

Yeah. I mean, and there are people that, that do hair coloration, stylistically. There's nothing wrong with that. Just don't lie about it.

Sir Ben:

Mm-hmm

Sir Gene:

It's like, Hey, how come your Beard's backwards? Oh, I just think it looks cooler that way. Therefore, I made it this way. That's all he is gotta.

Sir Ben:

mm-hmm well, regardless. So Jack OV brought up a tar topic.

Sir Gene:

And he doesn't even have a beard. So how can you trust a guy with another beard?

Sir Ben:

I Okay. Anyway, he brought, did you, did you hear the story about the button?

Sir Gene:

I, I saw the last half of that conversation. So what the hell was the start of the button conversation?

Sir Ben:

apparently just Trump had a wooden box with a red button on it, in the oval office. And you know, it wouldn't say anything about it and would be meeting with people and he'd press the button and you know, move it and say, oh, don't, I'm sorry. Don't let that be a distraction to you. And then eventually someone would bring him a diet Coke

Sir Gene:

Oh, cuz he pushed the button. Yeah. Okay. Okay. Okay.

Sir Ben:

So it's a diet Coke call button.

Sir Gene:

Well what's wrong with that?

Sir Ben:

I can totally see Trump doing something like that, you know?

Sir Gene:

Yeah. Here's what you can't trust about? Jack soak is both. His parents were registered Democrats.

Sir Ben:

Okay.

Sir Gene:

He went to a Catholic high school.

Sir Ben:

Okay.

Sir Gene:

He's Polish.

Sir Ben:

Okay.

Sir Gene:

are all reasons not to trust somebody by the way.

Sir Ben:

Yeah.

Sir Gene:

He interned for Ricks and Torm.

Sir Ben:

that's the reason not to trust him. Yeah, no, he, he screams spook to me in many

Sir Gene:

he, his first real job was working for the us chamber of commerce in Shanghai, China,

Sir Ben:

Like I said, spook.

Sir Gene:

Uhhuh, Uhhuh.

Sir Ben:

Yeah. Well, anyway, Rick Santorum is just man. Not a good guy.

Sir Gene:

Yeah. And I don't, I mean, it's gotta be shitty to have a last name, like sin toum

Sir Ben:

Why

Sir Gene:

doesn't that mean? Like some kind of sexual actor or something?

Sir Ben:

not that I know of.

Sir Gene:

Oh, I'm pretty sure it does.

Sir Ben:

Well, you'll have to look it up because I'm not familiar with it.

Sir Gene:

Yeah.

Sir Ben:

mean, that's like saying it's bad to have the last name Sanchez.

Sir Gene:

Hey here's what Centor. Yeah. If you look it up, it's the Froy mixture of lube and fecal matter. That is sometimes the byproduct of anal sex.

Sir Ben:

No, you're,

Sir Gene:

look it up. Look it up.

Sir Ben:

I don't know that I wanna look that up.

Sir Gene:

Well, you know, that's the definition of Centor

Sir Ben:

were you, is this urban dictionary or what?

Sir Gene:

literally first results. If you Google it

Sir Ben:

Mm-hmm.

Sir Gene:

mm-hmm there's articles like reson terms, anal sex problems.

Sir Ben:

Okay. So it's something that post his scandal that has come up.

Sir Gene:

Well, I dunno about scandal. I mean, that's a crappy name to have. That's all I gotta say.

Sir Ben:

literally,

Sir Gene:

Yeah. Literally a crappy name. Exactly.

Sir Ben:

So it's right up there with the last name for Sanchez, you know?

Sir Gene:

yeah, exactly. Mr. Dirty himself.

Sir Ben:

Yes.

Sir Gene:

Not a good look. Not a good look. What else happening in the world? What's going on in your world? Anything funny? Exciting.

Sir Ben:

Oh, yeah. Just trying to make some decisions around around work and some things like that.

Sir Gene:

Yeah.

Sir Ben:

yeah, no, nothing,

Sir Gene:

now. So, you know, ask me anything,

Sir Ben:

Yeah. Well, I I'm make making sure I'm not

Sir Gene:

not unemployed. Exactly.

Sir Ben:

yeah, no, I've got the opposite issue.

Sir Gene:

Too much work. Okay.

Sir Ben:

so, yeah,

Sir Gene:

Fair. Fair enough. No new toys, no new guns, cars things.

Sir Ben:

no, I, it, it's not something that's frequent with me, but I am gonna be changing up the office up here a little bit. I haven't really set up my office since we moved in other than getting the desk and

Sir Gene:

Oh, we gotta figure out a time to meet up and go shoot and have lunch and stuff.

Sir Ben:

yeah, we do. And,

Sir Gene:

out when your wife loves you to.

Sir Ben:

Yeah, that's not how that works, but okay.

Sir Gene:

Okay. Let's pretend.

Sir Ben:

no, it's all good, man. Especially now that you're unemployed, you know, we can do something

Sir Gene:

Yep. Yep.

Sir Ben:

So where are you going? What's your plans?

Sir Gene:

Banks go,

Sir Ben:

When, when do you leave, man?

Sir Gene:

End of this coming week.

Sir Ben:

Cool. How long are you gonna be there?

Sir Gene:

Don't know yet.

Sir Ben:

See Gene you're so full of details. It's amazing content for the show.

Sir Gene:

I, it just so I'm gonna start with the right coast of me. No, it's the left co start in Cabo

Sir Ben:

Mm-hmm

Sir Gene:

and then end up in just south of what the fuck is it called John? I'm not good with names this early in the morning. 6:00 AM people. 6:00 AM. I am going to be in whatever. I am going to be in that's. No, that's Belize. That's the wrong country. Oops, Totum. So I'll end up in tum.

Sir Ben:

okay. What's in OOM. I've never even heard of this

Sir Gene:

Oh, I've been to tum before. There's, there's a pyramid there,

Sir Ben:

Ah, cool.

Sir Gene:

but also friend of mine is spending a month or two.

Sir Ben:

Must be nice.

Sir Gene:

So, well, you know,

Sir Ben:

You know, it's interesting cuz I've I've never been to Mexico.

Sir Gene:

no,

Sir Ben:

No

Sir Gene:

if I get drunk enough, I'll go to Belize.

Sir Ben:

why do you have to get drunk enough to go to Belize? I

Sir Gene:

Cuz I don't really intend on going to Belize.

Sir Ben:

Huh?

Sir Gene:

I cause I have no intention of going to Belize. So that's the only way I'm gonna end up in there. But it's close. It's close enough.

Sir Ben:

Well, that's not gonna be possible cuz you're not drinking this year, right?

Sir Gene:

That's correct.

Sir Ben:

Yeah.

Sir Gene:

Not drinking at all this year.

Sir Ben:

yeah. But if you're in Mexico and on vacation, does that count,

Sir Gene:

It counts vacation or this it count as what?

Sir Ben:

you know, drinking? I mean, you know,

Sir Gene:

Oh yeah, no, it definitely counts as drinking. No, that's I'm I don't know if I'm ever gonna drink again, honestly. Cuz I'm kind of enjoying now drinking this year.

Sir Ben:

well, if, if you choose to do that, I'll, I'll take your collection.

Sir Gene:

I do have a good boost collection. You can buy my boost collection buddy. I have a lot of expensive shit.

Sir Ben:

could be a gift. It can be a gift. just think of it as a tax write off,

Sir Gene:

Huh. Uhhuh tax trade off. Are you why you a nonprofit?

Sir Ben:

I actually, you know what the, I am totally thinking about starting a foundation and my entire thought process is if I could somehow convince my employer on some of these bigger deals and everything to donate certain items to directly to the Sterling foundation for our good work, you

Sir Gene:

Mm-hmm I do. I do like the name of it though. I will say that the Sterling foundation has a certain ring to it.

Sir Ben:

yeah, well, yeah.

Sir Gene:

It makes it sound like it's elitist and globalist.

Sir Ben:

Yeah, well, it now, you know, it's one of those things, if the Clintons can do it, why can't I,

Sir Gene:

Well, how many dead people are in your list?

Sir Ben:

Zero so far?

Sir Gene:

That's why.

Sir Ben:

Yeah. Well, you know, I, it's just a thought

Sir Gene:

Yep. Yep. Yep. Oh man.

Sir Ben:

Yeah, actually I was talking, I've got a family friend who's a CPA and who we were talking about protecting assets and, you know, windfall profits and things like that.

Sir Gene:

Mm-hmm

Sir Ben:

And just how it's, you know, not easy to do

Sir Gene:

no, that's very true. That's cuz the IRS is wanting your money and they're hiring a whole bunch of new people to get it.

Sir Ben:

well. And, you know, just finding legal ways to destroy and shelter, income is it is not easy. And you know, I'm kind of at an income level where it's almost more expensive for me to try to do that than to just pay the taxes, but it's also, you know, somewhat principle and everything else. So

Sir Gene:

Yeah. Cuz some of these shelters require substantial

Sir Ben:

Investment and, and effort, you know, for instance, if I start a side business and employ, you know, the step kids or whatever, you know, a, it has to be legitimate and functional. And then, and then B all I'm doing is basically some income destruction and that's it, you know? So it's, it's finding that balance is pretty hard. Yeah. That's why, you know, only the wealthy don't pay their taxes. Right.

Sir Gene:

mm-hmm

Sir Ben:

you know, it it's always absurd to me when people say that it's, you know, like, oh,

Sir Gene:

well, it's, it's kind of true.

Sir Ben:

I mean, so when you're talking capital gains versus income, you know, well, there's a reason why we have those tax laws the

Sir Gene:

Most people I know that have a, a net worth over 10 million have spent a good chunk of money to come up with strategies to shelter. All of it.

Sir Ben:

or as much as possible. Absolutely.

Sir Gene:

Yeah. Yeah. I mean, I'm not saying when you shelter, all of it, you're not paying any taxes, but it, everything is done in a way to remove the income from the.

Sir Ben:

Mm-hmm

Sir Gene:

that person.

Sir Ben:

well, and even liability shielding and everything else, you

Sir Gene:

yeah. Yeah. Well that that's as well. I mean, Alex Jones is certainly I think in the end going to pay very little because he is not worth a whole lot

Sir Ben:

Him personally. I agree.

Sir Gene:

Yeah.

Sir Ben:

Well, and you know, free speech systems is already filing for bankruptcy and so

Sir Gene:

Mm-hmm

Sir Ben:

I, I think it is going to be fairly hard for them to get blood out of a turnup as it were. But that said, we, we haven't seen where it's actually gonna land and there's several other lawsuits incoming,

Sir Gene:

oh, I think all the parents are probably gonna Sue. They're just gonna do it one at a time just to make it more expensive.

Sir Ben:

yeah. And now that there's blood in the water, then, you know, we'll see,

Sir Gene:

yep.

Sir Ben:

I don't think this will be the end of Alex Jones. So first of all, I think the I think he's got a really good shot at an appeal. One the summary judgment he's gotta get different lawyer. Absolutely. But the summary judgment and then the valuation of info wars, you know, the way that economists went through and valued info wars is just asinine.

Sir Gene:

why would an economi must value info worse? That seems totally backwards.

Sir Ben:

Well, it's just the process, the, the person they had testifying, but you know, how could Alex Jones ever sell info wars who would buy it? Who would run it? Who would, how would it be popular? It, that is Alex Jones.

Sir Gene:

Yep.

Sir Ben:

It's him. He, he Infowars does not exist with Alex without Alex Jones.

Sir Gene:

mm-hmm

Sir Ben:

So I don't know. I, the resale value to me of Infowars is absolutely zero. You know, there is no multiple of EBITDA that you could

Sir Gene:

I don't know if it's zero, but yeah, the multiple is sub one.

Sir Ben:

Well, I mean, you would have to have a contract with Alex Jones. Okay. We're buying, we're gonna operate the business,

Sir Gene:

I think you could be operate without

Sir Ben:

contract with

Sir Gene:

but it's gonna be it's it's gonna be a fraction of the viewership. There still be some people that would say,

Sir Ben:

Mm. I don't know.

Sir Gene:

I mean, even right now, like a lot of times it's not him on it's the little cohorts

Sir Ben:

Yeah, but he's he's on enough. So I don't know. We shall see.

Sir Gene:

I, yeah. We'll we'll see how it happens. It's it is clearly an abuse of the justice system to go after somebody for what they said.

Sir Ben:

Yeah. Speaking of crappy judges the one thing we didn't talk about in the Trump thing is did you notice that the judge was a lawyer for Epstein?

Sir Gene:

Yeah. Amazing.

Sir Ben:

he was on the prosecution. He was in the prosecutor's office quit and went and worked for Epstein's pilot and someone else that, yeah. Hmm.

Sir Gene:

and how's he end up a judge. Oh, Hmm. Very interesting.

Sir Ben:

Yeah. I mean, when you look at stuff like that, I mean, this just screams corruption,

Sir Gene:

Yep.

Sir Ben:

you know, whether it truly is or not, it just certainly has the appearance of it. I mean, if you wanted to avoid bad optics, FBI, don't use that judge.

Sir Gene:

yeah. Yeah. I don't think they care about optics. I really don't. This is, this is more of the Janet Reno FBI

Sir Ben:

Oh my God, Janet, you know,

Sir Gene:

mm-hmm

Sir Ben:

oof. With

Sir Gene:

yes. The, the first transsexual we had in government.

Sir Ben:

I don't think that's quite true, but okay.

Sir Gene:

you seen her hands please?

Sir Ben:

I just really, you think so?

Sir Gene:

two. Come on.

Sir Ben:

I I've known tall women, Gene,

Sir Gene:

Yeah. Well I haven't.

Sir Ben:

I, I haven't dated a girl in high school and college. That was six one

Sir Gene:

Mm,

Sir Ben:

for the record. I'm five 10. So

Sir Gene:

Yes. Well, you used to be, you're probably shorter to know.

Sir Ben:

people do shrink.

Sir Gene:

Yeah.

Sir Ben:

I'm not that old yet though.

Sir Gene:

what are you getting there? you're not that young either. Yeah. I don't know. I just look at Janet, you know, I just see a guy. I just, you know,

Sir Ben:

Well, for all practical purposes, you know, in today's day and age, who knows maybe she would identify as such

Sir Gene:

yeah, exactly. Given the right opportunity. She probably would've been a, he

Sir Ben:

mm-hmm mm-hmm

Sir Gene:

kind like Mike Obama.

Sir Ben:

yes. Yeah, yeah,

Sir Gene:

first lab of the country.

Sir Ben:

yeah. Just, just remember what the they did to, oh, what's her face.

Sir Gene:

Oh, what's her face.

Sir Ben:

the, the girl, the woman who always did the red carpet stuff that said Michelle was a tranny and ended up dying on the operating table.

Sir Gene:

Yeah, that happens.

Sir Ben:

Yeah.

Sir Gene:

Yeah. Committed suicide on that bringing table. If I remember, right.

Sir Ben:

yes. Took the scalpel and just said I'm over this.

Sir Gene:

just jab it right in their brain.

Sir Ben:

Yeah. About like the guy who committed suicide with a double tap to the back of the head. Yeah.

Sir Gene:

It's, it's actually more, more common than people imagine.

Sir Ben:

oh yeah, absolutely.

Sir Gene:

There's a lot of

Sir Ben:

You just make that second jerk as you yeah. Mm-hmm

Sir Gene:

It just seems to be the way that people cuz they wanna ensure that they go, they don't wanna be like halfass of suicide.

Sir Ben:

Yeah. But it seems to happen more around the Clintons.

Sir Gene:

I think it's exclusively around the Clintons, but, but there's a lot of it for sure.

Sir Ben:

Yeah.

Sir Gene:

Speaking of pedophiles

Sir Ben:

Oh,

Sir Gene:

Alex Jones comment on that regard was priceless.

Sir Ben:

oh yes. Around Epstein. Oh my God. You mean like Epstein in the Clintons and the meme going around with the Joe Rogan and the fight commentary stuff. That was

Sir Gene:

oh yeah, yeah, yeah. Whoa. Yeah, that was, that was done very well.

Sir Ben:

Yeah. I mean, but Alex's delivery of that just totally dead pan was just

Sir Gene:

It totally did pan. Yeah. Yeah. It's you could almost see the little squirrel running around in his head and like processing the data and then saying the exact appropriate thing.

Sir Ben:

well, and you know, something that just, the Clintons will never Sue over because well

Sir Gene:

it'd be hard to disprove. Yeah.

Sir Ben:

yeah. Oh no, that was, that was a, that, that was probably one of my favorite moments from the trial, for sure.

Sir Gene:

I mean, there's a certain point at which you cross over from just simply liking sex with women that are under 18 to having to get a supply of adrenal Chrome. Starts getting dark.

Sir Ben:

well I think I think it gets dark pretty early there. Gene. I think you started to that sentence at a pretty dark place.

Sir Gene:

I'm referring to the Clintons, but it's a, it it's one of those things that, you know, it's kinda like a well made horror movie. It starts off just slightly unpredictable and it veers off into absolute terror,

Sir Ben:

Hmm.

Sir Gene:

not the, you know, ridiculous horror movies that quite often are made in this country.

Sir Ben:

What horror movies are so ridiculous.

Sir Gene:

Most, anything with a zombie that is ridiculous.

Sir Ben:

eh, yeah.

Sir Gene:

No, I, I

Sir Ben:

I think a lot of things are unrealistic. You know, Texas chainsaw massacre is pretty unrealistic.

Sir Gene:

it is like, where's he getting all the gasoline?

Sir Ben:

that's

Sir Gene:

That's why I'd like to know. I thought hostile was a very well done horror movie.

Sir Ben:

never saw it.

Sir Gene:

Oh really? Oh yeah. It's about a group of college students in Eastern Europe, you

Sir Ben:

that stay at an actual hostile, yeah.

Sir Gene:

And then it turns out that the hostel is, has nefarious purposes behind it, like rounding up young people. Attractive young people for rich people to do with as they please,

Sir Ben:

Hm.

Sir Gene:

and not in a sexual way.

Sir Ben:

Yeah. Wow. I don't know. I'm not a huge horror fan. I've I've watched some, but eh, you know, it's just, I, I'm

Sir Gene:

I'm not a horror fan at all. I just, I just don't particularly like the genre because it is just it's. I don't know. I don't get it. It's overly fake and it's supposed to create some kind of a you know, adrenaline response or something.

Sir Ben:

Mm-hmm you know,

Sir Gene:

mostly just sitting there and deconstructing like what they're doing wrong.

Sir Ben:

what did you, did you ever watch event horizon,

Sir Gene:

I think so. Remind me the

Sir Ben:

Spaceship disappears, shows back up horrible things, you know? Yeah. It, it was a pretty well done movie back in the day. Yeah.

Sir Gene:

There are occasional, well done movies for sure. Somebody, just a friend of mine told me this morning texted me and said I should watch. Let's see, let me look at my texts. Some TV show that he thought was really good. Oh, it's called the it's called the offer.

Sir Ben:

Hmm. What's the premise.

Sir Gene:

It is the it's 10 part series. That is a what do they call it when they dramatize real life events,

Sir Ben:

Mm drama.

Sir Gene:

yeah, whatever that, no, it's not a drama. It's whatever that's called. It's like a historical fiction I wrote, but basically it deals with the, the events around shooting of the first godfather movie.

Sir Ben:

Okay.

Sir Gene:

So, you know, like there's somebody playing Mario Buso in there. There's somebody playing Francis, Fort colo in there. I haven't watched it, so I really don't know what the plot line is, but my buddy said it was really good and recommended. I check it out. I, and I, I like I've liked all friends, Ford cold plus stuff.

Sir Ben:

I, you know, people are gonna just, you're probably gonna scream at me. I I've watched the godfather,

Sir Gene:

Mm-hmm

Sir Ben:

but I have never obsessed over it the way most people do.

Sir Gene:

yeah. I, why would I scream at you?

Sir Ben:

I don't know because most people are just like, oh, the Godfather's such a great movie.

Sir Gene:

I think it's pretty good.

Sir Ben:

Good. But eh,

Sir Gene:

yeah, no, it's it. I think it was good it's for the time. It was definitely good. But that's, I don't think that's his best movie.

Sir Ben:

Yeah, it's just one of those things that it's, it's not something, you know,

Sir Gene:

I

Sir Ben:

is not a movie I'm gonna watch over and over and over again

Sir Gene:

Yeah. I like apocalypse more.

Sir Ben:

of apocalypse now. Absolutely.

Sir Gene:

And that was a movie that, that, you know, cost them, cost everybody. A lot of physical and mental anguish

Sir Ben:

Well, I mean,

Sir Gene:

took over a year to shoot the, the, everybody got sick in the jungle. Some people had heart attacks it was just like Francis Ford Copa lost 45 pounds during the shooting of that movie almost lost his wife.

Sir Ben:

man. It and what a story. So, you know, there's that

Sir Gene:

Yeah. Heart of darkness which is a, a short story, but Brando completely fucking that character up, but still managing to come across as just the right Villa, you know, the story with Brando there. Right?

Sir Ben:

no, I don't know that I know heart of darkness.

Sir Gene:

Well, harder darkness was the story that the apocalypse now is the movie

Sir Ben:

Yeah, right, right. But the short story, I haven't, I didn't realize that

Sir Gene:

yeah, yeah, yeah. It was, it was set in Africa, not in the jungles of Vietnam.

Sir Ben:

Okay.

Sir Gene:

But. Yeah. So when they were casting for the role, they approached Brando and with a description of what this Colonel Kurtz part would be like, and he was very excited about and everything. And he said, yeah, no, this is good. I'm I totally got the character. I understand it. I'm gonna lose 50 pounds. They can be, you know, portray that person correctly. And then he proceeded to not do anything. And so he would just stonewalling them. And by the time he actually did show up to film, it was very evident that if anything, he gained weight instead of losing weight. And he also hadn't read the script at all.

Sir Ben:

Hm.

Sir Gene:

And so consequently, they had to feed him lines and he looked nothing like what the character's supposed to look like. And it, like, it was a very there's a lot of hands thrown in the air and turmoil about like, he just fucked us with this movie. Isn't gonna come out kind of scenarios. And a lot of the shots that were originally in the script were left on the cutting room floor. And that's why Brando's in so little of the movie. But because most people don't know the backstory, the, the assumption is that's the way it was supposed to have been. And so it actually comes across pretty good. But You know, instead of the character that you see with Brando, what should have been there was this sort of more of a you know, a, a 50 something year old, special forces dude that has kind of flipped the switch and started acting in in ways with very harsh unre, remorseful kind of manner. And effectively was deified by the people that live there. he became a true war Lord.

Sir Ben:

going native as it were.

Sir Gene:

Yeah. Whereas Brando was just kind of psycho. Like there was no reason anybody should have been following him if you watched the movie. The other thing about that movie, which is something you could never do today is that scene where they slaughter the water Buffalo.

Sir Ben:

Mm-hmm

Sir Gene:

That's not fake.

Sir Ben:

right. That was a one shot deal.

Sir Gene:

Yeah. And, and the when the production company found out that they were, that they were, they brought a real ox to slaughter and they were like, no, guys, we can't do that. And they're like, But we do this every year. This is part of our, you know, annual ritual tradition thing. And that's what all the extras have all been excited to hear that this is gonna happen on the movie set. So it was one of these things where it was like, well, shit, if you don't film it, it's still gonna happen.

Sir Ben:

Yeah, but here's the thing today. PETA would be,

Sir Gene:

yeah. The movie would never be released.

Sir Ben:

speaking of movies never gonna be released.

Sir Gene:

Yeah.

Sir Ben:

How about this back girl movie that they're taking a huge writedown on.

Sir Gene:

Oh yeah. So I know very, very little about it. I'm just basically headlines,

Sir Ben:

yeah, so, you know, bat girl the, I think it was universal, but you can look that up and check me on that. But so they're producing this movie they're doing tests all the way through, of course, you know, and apparently it is so woke. And so over the top that they are going to take like a 90 million write down, shelving it, never gonna finish the movie.

Sir Gene:

Holy cow. They realized the story sucked or what

Sir Ben:

Well, they are, I mean, obviously, I don't know if it was the acting or what, but apparently the, what has kind of come out is that the testing that they were doing throughout the production of the movie was so bad that the reputation damage was gonna be a bigger deal to them than taking a 90 million writedown

Sir Gene:

Hmm. Yeah. That's that's quite a chunk.

Sir Ben:

well, I mean, I, I I'm hope, hopefully this is a case of goo go broke sort of thing, you know, and maybe, maybe this is the moment where Hollywood gets tired of losing money and shifts back. You know, you look at what happened to Disney with light ear you know, buzz light year was supposed to be so buzz light, you were supposed to be, you know, a big blockbuster movie, but because of the lesbian activity and the movie and everything else, it was financially a dud and they've, it's already on, you know, Disney plus streaming trying to save something. You know,

Sir Gene:

so

Sir Ben:

I don't know,

Sir Gene:

now I I'm kind of a fan of Alicia Silverstone, so I didn't mind fat girl nearly as much as other people did.

Sir Ben:

fat girl,

Sir Gene:

Yeah. That was the last, the last movie in the, that had that character in it. I mean, that was her character.

Sir Ben:

you mean bat girl, what?

Sir Gene:

Well, I guess it was called bath girl, but I mean, pretty colloquially just called fat girl.

Sir Ben:

Okay. Yeah. So you you're talking about Alicia silver stones room? Yes. Okay. Yeah. Yes. Bat girl in a Batman movie. Not standalone movie. Yes.

Sir Gene:

Which, like, I always thought she was super cute. So I, you know, I gave her a pass on that too, but And it was really not her fault. Her mom was on set, bringing cookies every day.

Sir Ben:

Uhhuh. What? I, I don't know why you think she was fat in that movie?

Sir Gene:

Are you kidding?

Sir Ben:

No,

Sir Gene:

Have you looked at images of her from that movie?

Sir Ben:

Hold on. I'm Googling right

Sir Gene:

yeah. Okay. All right.

Sir Ben:

I mean, I remember the movie I watched it,

Sir Gene:

are, did you, yeah, yeah, no, she gained like 35 pounds from between when they cast her and when she was actually in the movie. So yeah, she was definitely

Sir Ben:

she's not that no.

Sir Gene:

Well, not compared to the, you know, the walrus we have today.

Sir Ben:

whale whales as Pearl. What's called them. Yeah.

Sir Gene:

No, it's the, I, I'm not the one calling her fat, by the way. This is, this is what came out of the studios in their disappointment at her weight gain that the, the nickname for her was fat girl.

Sir Ben:

Well, Alrighty then.

Sir Gene:

she looks much better today, by the way,

Sir Ben:

Okay. I haven't seen a recent picture. I wouldn't, you know, I, I don't follow celebrities. I just

Sir Gene:

Yeah. I don't either, but occasionally they pop up on YouTube videos and they'll watch 'em if they. She had a cooking show that I watched and she looked totally normal.

Sir Ben:

Yeah. Well, whatever.

Sir Gene:

So anyway, so this new movie, and then this is, this is what a black girl,

Sir Ben:

Yes.

Sir Gene:

I mean, bat girl,

Sir Ben:

Yep. That girl standalone movie and irredeemably irredeemably canceled. So, the guardian has a story on it and yeah, it's like, they're, they they've planned on looking at releasing it all HBO, max and so on, but they have totally, totally sheltered. And yeah, it's

Sir Gene:

there was something that happened with the new star Trek movie too. And there

Sir Ben:

what new star Trek movie?

Sir Gene:

there was supposed to be a new star Trek movie that was picking up and Picard season three, I guess.

Sir Ben:

No, there's been talk. So, what, what you're referring to is Patrick Stewart's comments at comic con that Alex Kurtman, who's the show runner put down pretty quickly that, you know, that would be great, but don't get your hopes up sort of thing. So,

Sir Gene:

Well, yeah, the way I hear it is that the budget for this thing was 284 million and that they. They think that it's not gonna be able to recover that budget?

Sir Ben:

well, I don't think they've produced anything is I, I know of, no, I know of no star Trek movie in production right now.

Sir Gene:

no that's but well, it was within pre-production, but it was a it was, I think there was supposed to be some infighting going on between two different groups of producers for it.

Sir Ben:

I mean, as much of a star Trek fan as I am, I, I don't follow stuff like that very closely. I, you know, it, it, when it gets made great,

Sir Gene:

I think all this shit is not Canon

Sir Ben:

oh God yeah, Alex Kurtman the current show runner is definitely pushing the limits. And it's, you know, Picard as much as I, I, you know, I grew up on T and G and I, I, I, I have an affinity, but some of the storylines that they have produced is. Silly. Yes. Discovery is crap. I, I mean, I, I, I have a hard time with discovery you know, the, the whole spore drive thing and all that just totally screwing

Sir Gene:

yeah, it has nothing to do with star Trek actual history.

Sir Ben:

Right? Yeah. And you know, and you know, you can, you can argue and debate and geek out on what is, and is not cannon. I will say this redeeming themselves with strange new worlds and lower decks,

Sir Gene:

Mm-hmm

Sir Ben:

lower X

Sir Gene:

yeah. You like the cartoon? Yep.

Sir Ben:

I do. I, lower X is great prodigy. Not so much

Sir Gene:

mm-hmm I think the series, as far as I'm concerned, died with enterprise,

Sir Ben:

why.

Sir Gene:

that was the last actual star Trek that followed Canada in my opinion.

Sir Ben:

Strange new world is doing pretty good. Strange new worlds is

Sir Gene:

will watch that at some point I saw the first episode. I'm the one who told you about it. But I haven't, I haven't seen anything beyond the first one.

Sir Ben:

Well, I knew it was out gene. I just hadn't watched it yet.

Sir Gene:

Yeah. And then I watched it and told you, Hey, you gotta check this out. It's actually pretty good.

Sir Ben:

Yeah, no. And, and I, you know, I really like, so strangely worlds is really focusing on like the Gorn and the setting up of the tos episodes and things like that. I mean,

Sir Gene:

Mm-hmm

Sir Ben:

it's really lining up, they've got pike having premonitions of the the accident that ends up injuring him in tos, you know, and putting him in the wheelchair and so on, and basically foreshadowing knowing that he knows that it's coming and that sort of thing. And, you know, they've already introduced some time travel elements of pike going back to tell himself not to change history because of what happens and

Sir Gene:

Yeah. I don't like stuff like that. I don't, I don't like the, that was one of the things I didn't like in the enterprise either is introduction of time travel is a lazy writing trope. It, it, it allows you to do shit that you can't do if you have to mistaken consistent

Sir Ben:

Yeah. And what I would say is the way it was done in strange new worlds is barely tolerable, but it's okay. It is not the time war storyline that enterprise had. I think enterprise screwed up by going down that road.

Sir Gene:

because the rest of the storylines were much better than the whole time war.

Sir Ben:

Yeah.

Sir Gene:

Yeah. And it just, the whole idea is to me, just ridiculous, because having like there's in a sense we're all time travelers, but having a, a current state of consciousness be in a time previous to the current time I think it just breaks too many laws. You, you can't. You can't do it. And so what you end up doing is you create this cartoon character version of what that would be like.

Sir Ben:

Yeah,

Sir Gene:

And I can give you an example of how you could do it better, but it's still kind of bullshitty is you'd have to make it into an amnesia film.

Sir Ben:

yeah, well, anyway, it is definitely a trope that gets abused in sci-fi too much. So,

Sir Gene:

Mm-hmm

Sir Ben:

you know, but,

Sir Gene:

But then again, I was also a fan of Dr. Who, which is the whole damn premise of the show from the get go

Sir Ben:

yes, I, I, but Dr. Who it's

Sir Gene:

it's a kid's show

Sir Ben:

at its heart. Yes. That has gotten more serious over time. I, you know, I I've, I haven't watched it's, it's sad because I was a huge doctor who fan and I, I, haven't watched a season in a couple years now because of, you know,

Sir Gene:

because they suck.

Sir Ben:

Because they went woke,

Sir Gene:

Yeah. I liked the, the the, I forget the guy's name, the recent doctor,

Sir Ben:

which one?

Sir Gene:

the one with the kind of a skinny face.

Sir Ben:

The older one, the Scottish guy,

Sir Gene:

Yeah. He's not old. He's like younger than you.

Sir Ben:

then we're talking about different ones. So I, I need to know which doctor you're talking about. You talking about David tenant?

Sir Gene:

That, yeah, I think so.

Sir Ben:

Yeah. David tens to me, one of the best doctors at hands

Sir Gene:

He was a, a in interviews with him. He was like a serious Dr. Who fan,

Sir Ben:

Yes.

Sir Gene:

like he'd actually seen all

Sir Ben:

actually a good actor.

Sir Gene:

Yeah. Yeah. And I like him and other stuff he's done as well. I agree. He plays a good evil characters, but as Dr. Who, I think he came across as a very much believable reincarnation of the past doctors, because my all time favorite doctor, who? Of course Tom baker,

Sir Ben:

I guess that's just an age difference thing, but okay,

Sir Gene:

which one did you like?

Sir Ben:

David, ten's my favorite.

Sir Gene:

Oh yeah, no talents, I think. Good. But to me, the first thing that I comes into my mind, when I think of doctor who is Tom baker, he was the longest running doctor. He was the, the doctor that was actually shooting the shows. You're absolutely right when I was young. So, that's, that's sort of the default. And then all the other ones are the, what do you call 'em the other incarnations, I guess

Sir Ben:

yeah, I, it just the scarf, I don't know. Anyway,

Sir Gene:

I had one those scars

Sir Ben:

I'm sure you did.

Sir Gene:

mm-hmm absolutely man.

Sir Ben:

yeah. So, another interesting thing, since we're talking about space, time and everything else, we were talking about the orbital orbital mechanics, and then you found the paper that you sent

Sir Gene:

Yeah. And

Sir Ben:

I was hoping you would talk to it. That's

Sir Gene:

oh, I don't remember what I sent you. What did I send you? It was obviously in the time of whatever I was replying to.

Sir Ben:

Yeah. So it was just a, a governmental plan on

Sir Gene:

Oh yeah, yeah, yeah. Cleaning up the space mess. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, no, that's true. So I'm, I'm trying to, I, you know, I'm a big fan of space, you know that.

Sir Ben:

Yes.

Sir Gene:

So I, I've got a call coming up this week that hopefully will get me involved in a space company.

Sir Ben:

Oh fun.

Sir Gene:

Mm-hmm I've been wanting to do that for a long time. They do space things.

Sir Ben:

Right.

Sir Gene:

Wanted to be involved in space for quite a while. I've always thought that space was a very interesting area.

Sir Ben:

yeah, you you're gonna buy buy a blue origin ticket.

Sir Gene:

No, I'm not gonna buy a blue urgent. That's not space blue urgent. Doesn't go to space. They go to subspace

Sir Ben:

yeah. So would you, if, if, if one of your friends said, Gene, I bought you a ticket.

Sir Gene:

of course. I go. I'm not an idiot, but yeah, I also don't consider that. Legitimate space.

Sir Ben:

You yeah. Yeah. Well, Bezos is making money off of

Sir Gene:

he, well, that's arguable. I don't think those flights are cheap, but I think just to settle the manner, I think that unless you complete and orbit you haven't been space

Sir Ben:

okay. I think there are some pilots that might disagree with you.

Sir Gene:

well, they're pilots. They're not spacemen Aren day.

Sir Ben:

yeah. Well, I

Sir Gene:

No, it's totally

Sir Ben:

some that are flying really up there, you know, Sr 71 site

Sir Gene:

no, no, that that's definitely that space, dude. No way. No, you, if you, if you can't here, here's, here's the thing

Sir Ben:

I think you can be sub orbital and be in vacuum sufficient enough to be space. It depends on your definition

Sir Gene:

It's not vacuum cuz actual vacuum, doesn't start until 380 kilometers up

Sir Ben:

Well, there

Sir Gene:

and nobody is going to that. Nobody's going to that. They're all going to around a hundred. So if you, if you go on a Al flight and you go higher than the altitude of the startling satellites.

Sir Ben:

mm-hmm,

Sir Gene:

And the space station. Yeah. I'll give you that. Then you've been to space.

Sir Ben:

so the space station isn't in space.

Sir Gene:

No, the space station is in space because it is at right around 340 kilometers up.

Sir Ben:

Mm-hmm you know, Hey, regardless, I think it would be fun to go up high enough to see the curvature of the earth in that way and be weightless. That would be fun.

Sir Gene:

Yeah, but you also don't need to be up in space to be weightless.

Sir Ben:

I understand. Well, I mean, you can do like the vomit comment.

Sir Gene:

Yeah. The parabolic trajectories,

Sir Ben:

Yeah. Yeah. But that's not really weightless. You're just the plane's falling at the same rate that gravity's pulling you down. So.

Sir Gene:

really weightless in space either.

Sir Ben:

Well, you are feeling far less of the gravitational effects, so it, it, it is different. So, you know, the, no, you're never technically weightless and there is always a gravitational effect of some kind yeah, I'm aware it's an inverse square law, so inverse the square of the distance. So it falls off pretty rapidly, you know, gravity's, gravity's one of those interesting forces that in physics that if it were not unidirectional, we wouldn't even account for it's really a weak force. So,

Sir Gene:

yeah, until you get next to a black hole, it is.

Sir Ben:

well, I mean, that's just about I mean, I, you, so the black hole and, you know, all, all black hole is, is something sufficiently dense the, to within its radius within horizon that is prevent light you know, things being attracted faster than light. So yeah, it it's, the black holes are an interesting thing. When you start looking at some of the math you know, there there's some of the Hawking stuff, you know, Hawking radiation preservation of information, theories that have come out. The there's just lots of things that. You know, don't make sense of black hole, emitting radio waves and things like that. Well, you know, if it, if we have these theories on how this functions, then that's how you get the Hawking radiation, you get the preservation of information and it, it really comes down to beating a theory to fit, right? So it it's like the big bang, you know, the, the big bang the problem I have with it is, well, how do you account for galactic expansion, you know, universal expansion? Well, you know, in the moments after the big gang, the universe expanded faster than speed of light. Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa,

Sir Gene:

mm-hmm

Sir Ben:

you, that you're beating your theory to fit. We have not observed anything moving faster than light, especially not naturally. So how did that happen? So the laws of physics didn't exist. The laws of physics didn't count. Then I, I, I think that's lazy. think that's lazy science. I think that you can only go based off of your observed laws of physics and try and work backwards from there. Now we only have X amount of observation. One of my favorite things on my bookshelf is I've got a phys college physics textbook from 1909.

Sir Gene:

Oh, that's gotta be fun.

Sir Ben:

Yeah. I mean, it talks about ether and everything else, but it's a quarter inch thick verse and this is a freshman physics textbook versus my freshman physics textbook is four inches thick.

Sir Gene:

mm-hmm

Sir Ben:

massive difference. So the amount of knowledge that we've gained in, you know, really last a hundred and well, two let's call it 200 years. I, I is exponential. When you look at what's going on with Voyager and, you know, VO them getting readings from Voyager that

Sir Gene:

right.

Sir Ben:

they're saying don't make sense. Well, it's possible that the instrument is finally breaking down, but I would say let's record the data and, know, Hey, may, maybe we're seeing something new, be excited. You know, it's amazing

Sir Gene:

You know, what's really sad to me is that we haven't continued sending probes out ever since the Voyager pair was sent

Sir Ben:

well we have, but we've focused on nothing going into stellar. You know, there, there, I'm sorry.

Sir Gene:

Yeah, but that's what I mean, it's out by out. I mean, inter seller.

Sir Ben:

Well, we've been in focusing on the planets and, you know, stuff like that. And there there's, there's some benefit to that, but,

Sir Gene:

no I, yeah, no, you're, that's, I mean, that's literally the reasons, because if you just shoot something in a blank area of the sky, that that has a path, that's not gonna be sucked into one of the plants on its way up. You're you're essentially spending billions of dollars on something that may provide zero useful data.

Sir Ben:

Well, I mean, yes and no. So one we've now really kind of mapped and not just had theoretical explanations of what the heliosphere and, you know, interstellar space is really like, you know, to me, it's, it's absolutely tremendous to think that mankind has sent craft outside of our solar system at this

Sir Gene:

mm-hmm

Sir Ben:

you know, it's, it's, it's, it's amazing.

Sir Gene:

it is pretty cool, but that's why I'd like to do more of.

Sir Ben:

Yeah. I, I agree. I just you know, hope those gold records are never really found

Sir Gene:

Yeah. Yeah, exactly. It's how do you translate this? I think it's called food

Sir Ben:

yeah.

Sir Gene:

and it comes in two shapes.

Sir Ben:

Yeah. Oh, they even gave us pulsers okay. We can triangulate this. This is easy.

Sir Gene:

exactly. exactly. I, I remember that episode from the God, what was that show? It was it wasn't down through limits. It was the other one Twilight zone where the, the, the aliens come to earth and they're bringing all this new high tech and medicine and people are ecstatic that they're super friendly. And then somebody, you know, so, like the, the earth translators are working on trying to come up with cuz the aliens learned English really fast. And then now they're, we're trying to, you know, learn their language and somebody runs across a book and the aliens have it's called to serve man and thinking, oh, these, these are such, you know, benevolent beings. Like they're just thinking of serving others

Sir Ben:

mm-hmm

Sir Gene:

homo. And then when they start translating into cookbook

Sir Ben:

Perfect.

Sir Gene:

Uhhuh.

Sir Ben:

Did now talking about movies and interesting things, did you see that the creators of south park? Trey stone

Sir Gene:

and Trey.

Sir Ben:

yeah, yeah, yeah. They apparently have a currently shelved movie idea for a deep fake of Trump

Sir Gene:

Mm,

Sir Ben:

to do a deep fake movie about Trump.

Sir Gene:

like hosted by Trump.

Sir Ben:

Yeah. Like they would do a AI deep fake of Trump in this movie.

Sir Gene:

Okay. And is it, what's the topic, what's it about

Sir Ben:

I, I mean, this is the creators of south park, you know, they're gonna, it's gonna be hilarity.

Sir Gene:

there's gonna be sex in it?

Sir Ben:

Yes,

Sir Gene:

mm-hmm

Sir Ben:

given. And all I will say is refer you back to the 20, some odd minute puppet sex scene in team America.

Sir Gene:

mm-hmm mm-hmm

Sir Ben:

Uh, yeah.

Sir Gene:

Yeah, cuz they're just teenage boys

Sir Ben:

mean, they're, that's brilliant.

Sir Gene:

Yeah. I mean, I, it could be interesting. I, you know, speaking of puppets have you ever seen this British show where they have puppets or the world leaders and stuff? What the hell is it called? Is that ring a bell at all or not?

Sir Ben:

No

Sir Gene:

it's pretty popular out there, but they, their Trump puppet was pretty good. It's called what is it called? Spitting image,

Sir Ben:

never heard of it.

Sir Gene:

spitting image, check it out. There's tons of tons of, of clips on the internet. But they it's like a political satire kind of show using puppets

Sir Ben:

Hm

Sir Gene:

of all the different world leaders, but they also have a series, I think two or three years ago, they did a Christmas special where they had Elon Musk, Richard Branson, and Jeff Bezos, you know, billionaires that were at drinking or doing some kind of event. And then, you know, one of 'em says, yeah, I'm gonna, I'm going, I'm gonna go to Mars. And the other one's like, yeah, me too. I'm gonna get there before you. And then the third one was like, oh, this is so great. We're all going to Mars. And I I'll see you guys when you get there and I'll be waiting for you with drinks. And then you end up having this like contest between Elon Musk, Jeff Bezos, and Branson going to Mars. It was hilarious cuz it just shows 'em, you know, all to be complete idiots, obviously

Sir Ben:

you know, it's funny that Branson who started, you know, Virgin galactic, well, well before Musk or, you know, Bezos has the weakest play of the ball

Sir Gene:

but yeah, but potentially the cheapest.

Sir Ben:

yeah. But, you know, but again, are you going to space, you know,

Sir Gene:

Well there there's. Okay. So there's, there's two different Virgin space programs. One is the people, tourism shuttle. The other one is a area launch vehicle that uses essentially an airplane to raise the altitude first before the rocket actually goes off into orbit.

Sir Ben:

right. And that was actually the X prize winning design that they basically have done nothing else with.

Sir Gene:

Well, I mean, they got it working.

Sir Ben:

I mean, it won the X prize, it was already working and then they bought it and have done very little development. And only after it was an embarrassment that he had had that up and going for so long without actually doing anything with it. Did he push after? Right. Even after Bizos flight, you

Sir Gene:

yeah. Yeah, no, I think Branson is a lot less interested in the space than the mucus for sure.

Sir Ben:

Yeah. And Bezos.

Sir Gene:

Yeah. Bezos is I think Bezos is interested in space, but I think Bezos is more interested in just competing with

Sir Ben:

Yeah. Well, and you know, it, you know, it's interesting that he stepped down to be able to take that flight, you know?

Sir Gene:

Yeah, well, in a way he was given a, a choice of which company he'd prefer to run because he can't run both.

Sir Ben:

Yeah. Well,

Sir Gene:

Amazon was not getting enough attention from him. At least that's what the insider talk was.

Sir Ben:

Yeah, well, I think Amazon's doing fine on their business, but

Sir Gene:

Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, no, I think as long as they can maintain the

Sir Ben:

the monopoly that

Sir Gene:

the monopoly before they get broken up, they're they're just fine.

Sir Ben:

Yeah. And you know, that, that's the thing is, so the storefront audible and prime, I can understand the hosting business though that needs to be broken away.

Sir Gene:

Yeah. Yeah. I think they could be chopped up with a number of different pieces and I think it honestly, here's the thing it'd be better for stockholders.

Sir Ben:

Ultimately, yes.

Sir Gene:

Yeah,

Sir Ben:

Reduce liability, everything.

Sir Gene:

Yep. They would, they would separate those different business units. And then you wouldn't have this sort of a mix of what's performing well, what's not performing well, all combined together into the single stock in general, they are performing well across the board, but some are performing better than others.

Sir Ben:

Well, you can even have a parent company like alphabet that owns them with, you know, Chinese wall, different border, you know, da, da, da, da. Lots of companies have done that. So like in Texas you know, it's no secret that I work for a power company here. Yeah, yeah.

Sir Gene:

thought you were for a consulting firm.

Sir Ben:

Now I do, but beforehand I

Sir Gene:

oh. Used to work for a power company. That's right.

Sir Ben:

So, back in the day EFH

Sir Gene:

were one of those guys throwing the coal in the plant.

Sir Ben:

yes after after deregulation, you know, TX U was taken private by energy, future holdings U largest bankruptcy in us history. But because of the transmission business still being regulated and they're having to be a division between the unregulated generation side and the regulated transmission side you had EFH that owned both Encore and Luminant you know, that Encore was regulated. So you had the pretty good wall dividing that. And then during the EFH bankruptcy, they spun out Encore as its own company, and then Vistra energy came out of it. Yeah,

Sir Gene:

Let me ask you this. So with the windmills being subsidized,

Sir Ben:

mm-hmm

Sir Gene:

would it not make sense for the companies that have the cold plans to be buying windmills or installing windmills and then just not running them?

Sir Ben:

No because it, the, so the way the market and the subsidies work is let's say I have a subsidy of $30, a megawatt that is of the capacity that is in service. So if I have a hundred megawatts of windmills, I'm being paid $30 a megawatt hour when those are running and available.

Sir Gene:

no

Sir Ben:

so if I'm not running them, I'm not getting any of that.

Sir Gene:

I get that. But then the, the shortfall would be made up for an increase in coal.

Sir Ben:

Yeah. Yeah. It's so the, the big problem with the coal plants is the inability to cycle and that wind in Texas is higher at night.

Sir Gene:

right. No, I get that, but no, I'm just saying, if you wanna game the system, what if you just bought the windmills and just turned them off

Sir Ben:

I mean, you would end up at, I

Sir Gene:

fixing a government mistake.

Sir Ben:

I think you'd end up with a reliability must run order at some point. You know, I, I, I, and

Sir Gene:

Windmills don't add reliability.

Sir Ben:

no, no, no, no, no. But the, the, the ISO, the independent system operator can issue a must run status, meaning unless there is a mechanical breakdown,

Sir Gene:

That's what I'm talking about.

Sir Ben:

run.

Sir Gene:

Yeah, exactly. It's kind of like in Nord stream one, you just have mechanical breakdowns in all the windmills that just happen to happen all at the same time.

Sir Ben:

It, that would, that, would you, that would end up with the public utilities commission coming, knocking at your door.

Sir Gene:

Hmm.

Sir Ben:

Yeah, the, so there are already anti monopoly rules and anti you know, there's competition rules and everything else. Now, one of the things that's kind of interesting some of the battery projects. That are out there. You know, there, there's some interesting things with batteries and some of the simple cycle turbines basically providing instantaneous power. So the battery comes on instantly while the simple cycle's ramping up giving them a pretty big market advantage cuz in Texas it's a 15 minute market. So you know, that price changes every 15 minutes.

Sir Gene:

Mm-hmm So it seems to me that this, this whole windmill debacle is one of the Achilles Hills of Texas being able to be its own country because our energy here is been bought into the liberal dream.

Sir Ben:

I mean, to an extent, but here, here, here's the thing. We have the capacity it's there. There's nothing wrong with having more power. What I would say is stop decommissioning fossil plants. And it doesn't even have to be coal, but we have a lot of

Sir Gene:

leaves the union, right,

Sir Ben:

Uhhuh.

Sir Gene:

or should I say when all the federal subsidies end

Sir Ben:

Yeah.

Sir Gene:

windmills are no longer profitable,

Sir Ben:

Yeah.

Sir Gene:

we still rely on what eight and a half percent of our power on windmills. Right.

Sir Ben:

Oh, it's more than that.

Sir Gene:

More than that. Yeah. So what happens?

Sir Ben:

Well, first of all, the installed base would, if the companies that own these wind farms said, well, you know, this is no longer profitable for us. ERCOT would issue a reliability must run. So you have to maintain this as has to,

Sir Gene:

too bad. We're out of business. Not gonna happen.

Sir Ben:

that wouldn't happen. So it, it, that's just not the way utilities work.

Sir Gene:

utilities don't go bankrupt?

Sir Ben:

They do, but they are the generation doesn't stop. You know, the public utilities commission would not allow that. So,

Sir Gene:

that they have a choice.

Sir Ben:

so anyway, what a reliability must run means is the ISO is going to pay you extra to run that, to operate that equipment,

Sir Gene:

Mm-hmm

Sir Ben:

to make sure that it is going,

Sir Gene:

right. But if it's

Sir Ben:

I'm saying the government subsidy would shift,

Sir Gene:

is it shift to the state of Texas? So

Sir Ben:

shift to ERCOT.

Sir Gene:

it would shift to ERCOT, which would go bankrupt right away.

Sir Ben:

No, cuz ERCOT would just then shift the prices, which would just then shift the prices and everyone's electric bill

Sir Gene:

Okay. So everybody goes bankrupt them

Sir Ben:

So I, I think what you would see is they would be, they would continue to operate. I think you'd see a temporary spike in power prices. I think you'd see.

Sir Gene:

$10,000 per person.

Sir Ben:

No, no, no, not nowhere near that. I, I think you would see that the coal would stop losing money. I think you would see natural gas running more, which isn't necessarily a bad thing. And I think you'd see power plants being built.

Sir Gene:

mm-hmm

Sir Ben:

So yeah,

Sir Gene:

but that's not gonna happen instantly.

Sir Ben:

no, I mean, you're talking, you know, even a small, small,

Sir Gene:

Who, who needs to pay for this? Cuz somebody has to pay for this bullshit

Sir Ben:

who needs to pay for what

Sir Gene:

for the fact that Texas got fucked up the ass by having this God awful bullshit. Bird killing devices installed everywhere.

Sir Ben:

Uhhuh.

Sir Gene:

Somebody's gotta pay for this.

Sir Ben:

well, one the federal subsidies that, you know, hell I think some of them go back to Bush and then you've got the practices that, you know, Enron was in and the trading and of energy and everything else that really has gone off the rails. You know, a, again, the market participants I think is a key thing. So right now all these venture capital firms, anyone. Be a participant in the power commodity market. That's bullshit. If you're not a producer distributor or in transmission, I, I don't think you should be,

Sir Gene:

Yeah. They're, they're making money on the futures.

Sir Ben:

Yeah. It, it, you should at least have a customer service business where you're buying and trading power with the ultimate end of delivering it to a customer.

Sir Gene:

Mm-hmm yeah. Cuz right now you can have somebody like a George Soros, just decide to buy up all the power and fuck Texas over

Sir Ben:

Yeah. I mean, again, in reality, that doesn't happen, but what people can do because it is a future's market it's an artificial market. You know, because it's, it's speculation and yeah, you, you can definitely short the market and hurt some people. You can do lots of things. And you know, that, that's one of those things that there, there is a useful financial incentive there to an extent. But when you really, you know, like a short position in stock trading to me, that financial tool, I understand why it does exist, but it really shouldn't. So.

Sir Gene:

Yeah. Yeah. I mean, it, it sort of existed outside the market, even when it wasn't in the market.

Sir Ben:

Well, but you know, if you don't think a company's gonna do well, sell your shares or don't invest in them, don't have this concept of I'm gonna borrow your shares and then I'll give 'em back to you. No, no, no, no, no, no. I, I don't like that. People can make money on a short, I just, you, to me, it's immoral because you're, you're, you're practic a bet. You're placing a gamble against someone, instead of just saying, you know what? I think you don't have a good business model. I'm not going to invest in you and I'm gonna encourage other people not to invest in you because I think you just don't have a good business model. That's fine. Don't invest or say, Hey, I really believe in what you're doing. I'm gonna invest in you. But this idea of a short is just, I don't know. I, it strikes me as wrong.

Sir Gene:

okay. I don't really have much of an opinion on that. I mean, I've, I've never, I don't think I've ever shorted a company before I've done options training, but I've generally not done short trades.

Sir Ben:

Yeah. It, you know, I, I, I think a lot of people didn't even realize what shorting was until wall street bets really started screwing over hedge funds, which was

Sir Gene:

Mm-hmm that was hilarious.

Sir Ben:

Yeah.

Sir Gene:

All for that.

Sir Ben:

Yes, too bad. BlackRock can't be hit.

Sir Gene:

Oh, they own everything.

Sir Ben:

No dude. The three investment firms, three investment firms own everything. Those are companies that need to be broken up.

Sir Gene:

or worse.

Sir Ben:

What do you mean are worse?

Sir Gene:

You heard me

Sir Ben:

well, yeah,

Sir Gene:

reckoning day coming. It's just a question of when

Sir Ben:

well, I don't know, you know, the, the, the old saying this is how the world ends, not with a bang, but with a whimper

Sir Gene:

yeah. Which means nothing.

Sir Ben:

what do you mean? It means

Sir Gene:

Well, what, it's a cute saying, but it doesn't mean.

Sir Ben:

I think it means that humanity is more likely to, I, I don't know. I think it is the natural progression of things for tyranny to move forward and freedom to relent. You know, I, I think the American revolution was a very unique thing in world history and not difficult.

Sir Gene:

To some extent, yeah, I, I, I could see that, but I, this was not the only revolution that happened either. I mean, there's plenty of revolutions over the years

Sir Ben:

Name a successful one.

Sir Gene:

Russian revolution.

Sir Ben:

Mm-hmm didn't seem very successful to

Sir Gene:

Now I got running of the SAR. It worked. The problem was that the, the end results was something that people didn't really think through. And the government very quickly was allowed to be taken over by the minority socialists, who, as soon as they grabbed it, weren't gonna let it go. and that's, I mean, authoritarians in general, regardless of which side of the authoritarian they're on, on, they, they will grab and not let go. That's the standard authoritarian model.

Sir Ben:

mm-hmm

Sir Gene:

I guess the, the uniqueness in America was really in, in George Washington.

Sir Ben:

And Thomas Jefferson and a few others. Yeah. And their ability to push back against the status in Madison and Hamilton.

Sir Gene:

mm-hmm

Sir Ben:

Yeah. If you haven't read it a good book on the subject is the 5,000 year leap,

Sir Gene:

Hmm.

Sir Ben:

you know? Well,

Sir Gene:

I have not read it. So there's the book for the day? 5,000 year leap. Who's it by

Sir Ben:

Oh

Sir Gene:

I'm sure it's on Amazon.

Sir Ben:

Yes. SSON someone, someone like that. It's, it's essentially just saying, look, the American revolution and the us constitution and founding fathers were a huge leap. It it's largely around Christian ethics and so on. So some people may not like it, but it makes an interesting point around our founding fathers and you know, how lucky we are to live in the situation we live in. So yeah, you know, the, you know, the English common law English, common law, the you know, this all really, when you look at how things have evolved and where we got to, how we got here, it's, it's pretty interesting, you know, even Alfred the great going back to him and looking at Wessex coming, you know, coming together and unifying a kingdom.

Sir Gene:

was all Vikings.

Sir Ben:

what do you mean? That was all Vikings. It

Sir Gene:

It wasn't for the, it it's my point. If it wasn't for the Vikings, it would never have happened.

Sir Ben:

It was against the Vikings, but

Sir Gene:

Yes. But it was a it was the result of the

Sir Ben:

Right. But, you know, hi, his principle of putting down law and starting the English common law tradition was a huge turning point in history.

Sir Gene:

Yeah. And you know, you have to, like, I don't know that he necessarily would've foreseen just the impact that he was creating.

Sir Ben:

No, I, I don't think so.

Sir Gene:

I think he was doing what he needed to, to, to unify territory,

Sir Ben:

Have, have you ever shoot it's the main character is Ude. I'm trying to remember the name of the show.

Sir Gene:

TV show,

Sir Ben:

series. Yeah.

Sir Gene:

About the English that time period in the English history. I've watched a couple of 'em

Sir Ben:

well, anyway some people are probably screaming if we hit the chat room, we probably already

Sir Gene:

you know, we could have the chat room. I've just never bothered learning how to turn it.

Sir Ben:

yeah, well, we'd have to be on the stream, so for it to

Sir Gene:

Right. Well, yeah, exactly. But that's my mean we could be on the stream. I've just never learned how to turn it on.

Sir Ben:

Yeah. Well maybe when we come up with our new show

Sir Gene:

Then you can learn it. I just have zero interest in learning that I'm I'm PERMA band from there anyway. So it doesn't really matter for me,

Sir Ben:

Uhhuh.

Sir Gene:

you know? So for me, are you talking about the last kingdom?

Sir Ben:

Yes. The last kingdom. There

Sir Gene:

I watch that.

Sir Ben:

Yeah. So the TV show's good. The books are better obviously, but it's definitely worth worth a, a listen or a watch.

Sir Gene:

Yeah. Yeah. It's I still like Vikings more than last kingdom kingdom.

Sir Ben:

There's the have you seen Norseman the comedy show?

Sir Gene:

Yeah. It's it's just like it. It's hilarious. It's so true. Yeah. I think honestly Northman is probably closer to reality than Vikings is cuz in the Vikings everyone's a hero in Northman everybody is a fuck up

Sir Ben:

Bumbling idiots. Yes. Yeah. All right, Gene.

Sir Gene:

that was a good show. That was a good show.

Sir Ben:

yeah, now that we're just sitting here talking about TV shows,

Sir Gene:

But we do that every episode.

Sir Ben:

to an extent

Sir Gene:

And generally I actually watch less TV than I think most people realize.

Sir Ben:

I, I don't watch hardly any anymore.

Sir Gene:

But I, I, I was always a big fan of Catherine Winnick. I thought she did an amazing job.

Sir Ben:

I would have to Google who that is.

Sir Gene:

That was Ragnar's wife,

Sir Ben:

Ah,

Sir Gene:

the blonde chick. She was actually she was a black belt,

Sir Ben:

Yeah. In, in

Sir Gene:

in real life.

Sir Ben:

wait. Oh, but in what discipline,

Sir Gene:

Oh, it was what was she a black belt in, I wanna say TaeKwonDo or something like that. She had a when she was a teenager, she winning Countrywide contest.

Sir Ben:

Hmm.

Sir Gene:

And when she was 21, she had four dojos. She was running.

Sir Ben:

Cool.

Sir Gene:

So she is like, before she became an actress, she was a genuine badass and pretty hot looking that. But but in, in the I, I think that was just a perfect job of casting of her for Lagertha because she could she's pretty, but then she could bring the physicality to the role as well.

Sir Ben:

Mm-hmm well, definitely some

Sir Gene:

I like strong women, you know, you know me,

Sir Ben:

Yeah.

Sir Gene:

I'm all about the strong women. Mm-hmm, I'm big into empowering women in general.

Sir Ben:

Well, well we'll, we'll just leave it there. So yeah,

Sir Gene:

Uhhuh.

Sir Ben:

it was good talking to you, Gene,

Sir Gene:

Yeah. Get to catch up with you as well. I need to figure out what I'm gonna do when I'm traveling, but I'm, I'm sure we'll solve that issue

Sir Ben:

who knows? Maybe there'll be a guest next time.

Sir Gene:

maybe, or maybe I'll be in Mexico.